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(Daily Mail)   Awwww..... Couple married for 42 years dies with minutes of each other. Fark: When they jumped in front of a moving train to kill themselves   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 146
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2014-04-29 04:53:57 PM  

itsaidwhat: lasercannon: Repo Man: I_Am_Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Actually I'm pretty sure they died within seconds of each other.

So you expected your wife to immediately bounce back from a BRAIN ANEURYSM? And since that didn't happen you decide to kill yourselves 2 months later? It can take a couple years to get over that shiat (former boss had an aneurysm years ago, still has some trouble but overall very functioning).


Yes, some may bounce back after jumping in front of a train, but it generally will not do them any good as it will often result in a bigger mess.

And you're right.  Suicide is often the penultimate in selfishness, doing it this sort of way is doubly so.


What's the ultimate in selfishness then?

Taking the last donut.

So the penultimate in selfishness is taking only a bite out of the last donut?


Actually I feel that's worse. Not only have you taken the last donut, but you didn't even finish it and left it to suffer like a mortally wounded soldier on the field.. You just took a bite and ruined it for everyone else.

Farking bastard.
 
2014-04-29 04:54:51 PM  
I can understand how he felt, but he should have sought counseling instead of going this route.  My father-in-law had to watch his wife deteriorate and still stayed strong for his son (only one) and the rest of the family (sibs, in-laws, etc.)  It is very selfish to throw everything away when things start going wrong with one's partner.  AND, how much of this did she really understand or consent to.  If she was reduced to a toddler, shouldn't this be a murder/suicide?
 
2014-04-29 05:04:13 PM  

M2MM: I can understand how he felt, but he should have sought counseling instead of going this route.  My father-in-law had to watch his wife deteriorate and still stayed strong for his son (only one) and the rest of the family (sibs, in-laws, etc.)  It is very selfish to throw everything away when things start going wrong with one's partner.  AND, how much of this did she really understand or consent to.  If she was reduced to a toddler, shouldn't this be a murder/suicide?



The brain is not just one big lump of even usage.  It's completely possible to lose motor control and have functional logic and awareness and vice versa.  FTA:

"...visited her constantly but struggled to see her in pain as her motor functions and abilities were reduced to that of a toddler. "

It's entirely possible that she was aware and consenting.
 
2014-04-29 05:11:45 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-29 05:22:32 PM  
♩ I'm sorry, I know that's a strange way to tell you that I know... we belong ♫
 
2014-04-29 05:31:55 PM  

FlyingJ: LIRR TimeTable's the new Death Panel?


LIRR reaches Oneida area?  I need to start looking at the schedules again
 
2014-04-29 05:36:14 PM  
That's one loco motive for wanting to kill yourself, alright.
 
2014-04-29 05:39:58 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: knowing what it does to families and friends


Exactly. Other people looking at someone else's choice and dominion over their own bodies, deciding to feel bad about, then calling the person selfish for "making" them feel bad. Disgusting. It's like a father telling his daughter "You'll make your mother cry dressing like a whore"; the asshole here is the father trying to control the daughter through manipulation. The families and friend's feelings are their own, and give them absolutely no right or control over other people's decisions about their bodies and lives. To think they should have a say in other people's lives is selfish.

monkey_licker:
It is clear that you have some very strong feelings about this, but I'm not sure you understand suicide. People often make the decision to commit suicide when they are experiencing intense physical or psychological pain and see no other way out. In this situation, three months was not enough time to know what the wife's quality of life may have been down the road. The pain was recent and raw and this couple needed the help of a psychologist more than a meeting with the front end of a train. Was it their "right" to make this decision? Maybe. But, as a society, we often limit the rights of people who are not operating with their full faculties. We do this to protect them and others from harm. It isn't selfishness, it is an abundance of caution and a real respect for the value of the life of the person experiencing pain. If someone wants to take their lives after getting help and examining all of their options with the assistance of a professional there is nothing we can do, but we do try.

I took issue with the generalization that suicide is selfish. Looking out for other's well-being as a society isn't selfish. There's a fine line there, though. There are plenty of decisions that people make about their own bodies and lives that society tries to prevent for "their own good" and it certainly can't be said that such meddling is usually a good thing.
 
2014-04-29 05:40:23 PM  
He obviously couldn't afford a hospice. He could have stashed her somewhere and got a train set. Or a girlfriend.
 
2014-04-29 05:55:23 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Actually I'm pretty sure they died within seconds of each other.

So you expected your wife to immediately bounce back from a BRAIN ANEURYSM? And since that didn't happen you decide to kill yourselves 2 months later? It can take a couple years to get over that shiat (former boss had an aneurysm years ago, still has some trouble but overall very functioning).


Yes, some may bounce back after jumping in front of a train, but it generally will not do them any good as it will often result in a bigger mess.

And you're right.  Suicide is often the penultimate in selfishness, doing it this sort of way is doubly so.


It's a royally farked up thing for them to do that to the engineer and conductor on that train.
 
2014-04-29 06:01:41 PM  

Glendale: I_Am_Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Actually I'm pretty sure they died within seconds of each other.

So you expected your wife to immediately bounce back from a BRAIN ANEURYSM? And since that didn't happen you decide to kill yourselves 2 months later? It can take a couple years to get over that shiat (former boss had an aneurysm years ago, still has some trouble but overall very functioning).


Yes, some may bounce back after jumping in front of a train, but it generally will not do them any good as it will often result in a bigger mess.

And you're right.  Suicide is often the penultimate in selfishness, doing it this sort of way is doubly so.

It's a royally farked up thing for them to do that to the engineer and conductor on that train.


This.  There was a man in that cab.  He has now killed people.  He didn't intended it, and he probably tried to stop it but trains don't stop quickly.  That sort of shiat can fark people up for years, give them mental issues an guilt problems for life.  If you are going to kill yourself, don't make someone else the agent of your demise, that is just selfishly cruel
 
2014-04-29 06:07:26 PM  
That Guy Jeff:
I took issue with the generalization that suicide is selfish. Looking out for other's well-being as a society isn't selfish. There's a fine line there, though. There are plenty of decisions that people make about their own bodies and lives that society tries to prevent for "their own good" and it certainly can't be said that such ...

it wasn't a condemnation of all suicide.  I did specify most, perhaps I did not quantify it effectively.  There are certainly cases in which it is quite understandable and I fully support it.  However, there are cases where it is not, where the act leaves behind a devastated family wondering what they did wrong, what they could have done differently and a thousand other questions.  That is something that they have to deal with for the rest of their lives.  In those instances it may not be the intent of selfishness, but what results.
 
2014-04-29 06:28:02 PM  
I have no statistics to back it up(when has that every stopped anyone), but a family friend was a railroad cop. He basically said its almost a weekly occurrence that someone dies/suicides by train.

So everyone feeling sorry for the conductor/crew, it wasn't the first time and more than likely won't be the last.
 
2014-04-29 06:34:06 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Indeed, but then knowing what it does to families and friends of those left behind can give you a different perspective on things.


It's not any different than the effect any other death would have on families and friends. The point here is that it is not the life of the families and friends to live.
 
2014-04-29 06:34:52 PM  

img1.rnkr-static.com

Dragonflew:
♩ I'm sorry, I know that's a strange way to tell you that I know... we belong ♫


/feels.
//heavy feels.
 
2014-04-29 06:37:09 PM  
And consider that this happened in the usa, and he worked at a college book store. I wonder what kind of benefits he had? If he was struggling to support himself and his wife, how they could afford the medical care?
 
2014-04-29 06:54:46 PM  

kakarot251: [img1.rnkr-static.com image 190x190]

Dragonflew: ♩ I'm sorry, I know that's a strange way to tell you that I know... we belong ♫

/feels.
//heavy feels.



and then Cathy showed up
and we hung out
trading swigs from a bottle
all bitter and clean
locking eyes
holding hands
twin high maintenance machines

i am going to make it through this year
if it kills me

http://youtu.be/ii6kJaGiRaI
 
2014-04-29 06:57:19 PM  

Gig103: [fc03.deviantart.net image 850x531]


/leaving satisfied
 
2014-04-29 06:59:57 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: That Guy Jeff:
I took issue with the generalization that suicide is selfish. Looking out for other's well-being as a society isn't selfish. There's a fine line there, though. There are plenty of decisions that people make about their own bodies and lives that society tries to prevent for "their own good" and it certainly can't be said that such ...

it wasn't a condemnation of all suicide.  I did specify most, perhaps I did not quantify it effectively.  There are certainly cases in which it is quite understandable and I fully support it.  However, there are cases where it is not, where the act leaves behind a devastated family wondering what they did wrong, what they could have done differently and a thousand other questions.  That is something that they have to deal with for the rest of their lives.  In those instances it may not be the intent of selfishness, but what results.


And what I'm saying is "deciding your life is ruined because of what someone else did with their own" is selfish. Take, as an example, ANYTHING else besides suicide (to cut out the taboo).  Say... a woman wants to gets an abortion, and her mother is just devastated by the thought of not having a granddaughter and tells the daughter that she's so selfish making that choice to hurt her. People would be right for calling the mother a selfish coont, no? She's emotionally manipulating someone else, wailing about how other people's choices effect HER, not them; taking other people's choices and making it all about her.

Trying to exert control over someone else's life for your own benefit is almost the definition of selfish.  The family and friends of the deceased don't give a shiat that their loved one was in terrible pain but now they aren't, they don't even try to respect the decisions this other human being made. They just care that it makes themselves feel bad! How callous and selfish can you get, to completely shiat over the life choices of another person while criticizing them for how you decided to feel about their choices?

The deceased went from "in incredible pain" to "absolute peace"! Yay! That's great!
Celebrate! Sure, there might have been other ways to minimize the pain, but the fact of the matter is the pain is gone, and that person now experiences NOTHING. No regrets or pain or humiliation or longing or fear or uncertainty or anything else. Absolute peace, from nothing back to nothing, and all they did was move what was INEVITABLY going to happen up a little bit on the schedule. Better yet, they took it from "anunknown time and place byunknown method withunknown miserypreceding it" to "when I decide, how I decide". Whatnegative are you going to say about someone killing themselves that isn't all about someone else instead of the deceased? The person doesn't exist anymore; the ONLY effects after a suicide are how other people react to it. If everyone chose to say "all their pain is gone, I'm happy for them" and moved on there would be no negativeconsequences to suicide whatsoever. It's other people that choose to take someone's release from pain and turn it into a huge negative deal. I find that selfish. It's like those funerals where everyone decides to celebrate that the person ever existed instead of mourning that they no longer do. I fail to see why the death being planned instead of random should change that.

I know I'm in the minority here. There are centuries of demonizing suicide so that the drones with shiatty lives stretch their tiny sliver of shiatty existence out as long as possible. It's a band-aid to the problem of "we motivate all these suckers with promises we don't have to deliver because it's all 'after death' but now they have no reason to stay alive! Quick, convince everyone that opting-out of existence a shiatty thing to do!" I would just hope we could stop propagating such rubbish already. Life is full of pain; I fully support people being able to opt out early if they don't feel like experiencing more of it, and people should be more supportive and less selfish about other people's choices with their lives.
 
2014-04-29 07:11:28 PM  

kakarot251: [img1.rnkr-static.com image 190x190]

Dragonflew: ♩ I'm sorry, I know that's a strange way to tell you that I know... we belong ♫

/feels.
//heavy feels.


Oh fark you guys. I can never listen to that song without getting something in my eye.
 
2014-04-29 07:15:39 PM  
It's only been five and a half years, but I'd be all for a suicide pact with my wife.

And then renege at the last second.
 
2014-04-29 07:44:34 PM  
Came for the Inception reference, left satisfied.
 
2014-04-29 07:55:16 PM  
Living in upstate NY made me want to stand in front of a moving train.
 
2014-04-29 07:55:55 PM  

That Guy Jeff: And what I'm saying is "deciding your life is ruined because of what someone else did with their own" is selfish.


You can't pretend that your actions don't impact other people. If you decided to commit suicide it would impact the people around you, people that love you and care about you. It isn't selfish to have an emotional connection to another human being and to desire their continued companionship. It isn't selfish to be hurt when someone decides to take the drastic action of committing suicide. It is normal, expected human reaction to loss.

That Guy Jeff: The deceased went from "in incredible pain" to "absolute peace"! Yay! That's great!Celebrate! Sure, there might have been other ways to minimize the pain, but the fact of the matter is the pain is gone, and that person now experiences NOTHING.


While you might be able to be blasé about the death of a loved one, most of us aren't. I'm willing to bet that, if you found yourself dealing with the loss of a loved one by suicide, you would feel pain, anger grief and loss just like most other human beings. Nihilism is easy to talk about in abstract terms, but it is a difficult philosophy to live out.
 
2014-04-29 08:02:02 PM  

scottydoesntknow: fark them for traumatizing anyone on that railroad. Load yourselves up on sleeping pills and alcohol.



Fark the society that views suicide as always the wrong answer.  Anyone stumbles upon the people who just did sleeping pills and alcohol, 911 gets called and now they're stuck with a huge hospital bill and even more health problems.  Maybe they didn't live alone?  Violent suicides (like this) have far higher success rates...

Adults should be able to choose when to go, so that if they don't want to suffer through their inevitable deterioration, they shouldn't have to.  Something like that story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleobis_and_Biton
Well, wikipedia apparently doesn't give it in detail, but I don't feel like searching for it.
 
2014-04-29 08:11:35 PM  

ArtemisGoldfish: Living in upstate NY made me want to stand in front of a moving train.


How far upstate? I spent six months up near Massena and, well, I concur.
 
2014-04-29 08:15:04 PM  

nymersic: scottydoesntknow: fark them for traumatizing anyone on that railroad. Load yourselves up on sleeping pills and alcohol.


Fark the society that views suicide as always the wrong answer.  Anyone stumbles upon the people who just did sleeping pills and alcohol, 911 gets called and now they're stuck with a huge hospital bill and even more health problems.


Nevermind that suicide more often than not occurs when someone is trying to solve a temporary problem with a permanent solution, and are suffering from preventable problems such as mental illnesses and depression. I'll be willing to bet that 9 out 10 of those you described as taking sleeping pills and alcohol would be living healthy lives if they can get the help they need (no, I am not victim-blaming here; more like blaming society for letting these people fall through the cracks and as well as the sigma against mental illnesses). I am all for end-of-life, assisted suicide. But you need to know that the vast majority of suicide isnt of that nature.
 
2014-04-29 08:53:24 PM  
That's a duprass for ya. (see:  Vonnegut)
 
2014-04-29 09:20:33 PM  

That Guy Jeff: The deceased went from "in incredible pain" to "absolute peace"! Yay! That's great!Celebrate! Sure, there might have been other ways to minimize the pain, but the fact of the matter is the pain is gone, and that person now experiences NOTHING. No regrets or pain or humiliation or longing or fear or uncertainty or anything else. Absolute peace, from nothing back to nothing, and all they did was move what was INEVITABLY going to happen up a little bit on the schedule. Better yet, they took it from "anunknown time and place byunknown method withunknown miserypreceding it" to "when I decide, how I decide". Whatnegative are you going to say about someone killing themselves that isn't all about someone else instead of the deceased? The person doesn't exist anymore; the ONLY effects after a suicide are how other people react to it. If everyone chose to say "all their pain is gone, I'm happy for them" and moved on there would be no negativeconsequences to suicide whatsoever. It's other people that choose to take someone's release from pain and turn it into a huge negative deal. I find that selfish. It's like those funerals where everyone decides to celebrate that the person ever existed instead of mourning that they no longer do. I fail to see why the death being planned instead of random should change that.


The thing is most suicide amongst younger people at least involves temporary pain.  Yes, they were in pain but the pain could have been dealt with and they go on to happiness.  In such a case suicide is a loss and society is right to oppose it.

However, end of life suicide is a different matter.  Reprieves are unlikely, if you're in enough pain or other suffering that you do not consider life worth it then society is wrong to oppose you.

Fallout Boy: Nevermind that suicide more often than not occurs when someone is trying to solve a temporary problem with a permanent solution, and are suffering from preventable problems such as mental illnesses and depression. I'll be willing to bet that 9 out 10 of those you described as taking sleeping pills and alcohol would be living healthy lives if they can get the help they need (no, I am not victim-blaming here; more like blaming society for letting these people fall through the cracks and as well as the sigma against mental illnesses). I am all for end-of-life, assisted suicide. But you need to know that the vast majority of suicide isnt of that nature.


Often, although I doubt the 9 in 10 number.  Many of them will go on to fight depression for the rest of their lives.
 
2014-04-29 09:21:27 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Actually I'm pretty sure they died within seconds of each other.

And fark them for traumatizing anyone on that railroad. Load yourselves up on sleeping pills and alcohol.

The stress of deteriorating health was weighing down heavily on the couple, who were both 59-years-old, as Mrs Myatt was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm in late January.

So you expected your wife to immediately bounce back from a BRAIN ANEURYSM? And since that didn't happen you decide to kill yourselves 2 months later? It can take a couple years to get over that shiat (former boss had an aneurysm years ago, still has some trouble but overall very functioning).

If she was as incompetent as they describe, it doesn't even sound like she had a choice to go in front of the train.

/Needs the 'sick' tag


That one should not traumatize others with ones own demise is obviously true.

But these threads are always full of those that have never had a "one true love" and don't genuinely believe it's possible. That's fine for you but don't pretend to know what these people were dealing with.

For my part it seems pretty obvious they had a glorious life filled with love. The frailty of the human body had already ended that glorious life for her and he was already dying inside seeing her plight. Again, a more thoughtful method should have been chosen. But I'll be damned if I'll fault him for ending her pain OR for knowing his life was already lost without his beloved.

Flame on.
 
2014-04-29 09:25:23 PM  
Ehh. I'm 48, and if I'd committed suicide as a teenager, I wouldn't have missed much. At this point, I think somegreybloke sums it up pretty well.
 
2014-04-29 09:37:59 PM  
Well that sucks. She could have died under hospital care a $20,000 per day for a month or two. Why don't people think?
 
2014-04-29 09:54:56 PM  

EvilEgg: dywed88: What ass holes.

There are a multitude of ways to kill yourself without farking over a literal trainload of people.

A couple in upstate New York have killed themselves in an apparent joint suicide by jumping in front of a freight train on Sunday

So, what three, maybe four?

/I know it would suck to be them, but a trainload isn't anymore than a carload.


Actually, they are screwing over far more than the people physically on the train. What if my goods were on that train which has now been stopped by the accident. What about all the other trains delayed as a result of shutting down that section of track?
 
2014-04-29 10:07:34 PM  
The engineer should have kicked them out of the way.
cdn.breitbart.com
 
2014-04-29 10:10:35 PM  

LazyMedia: These people are assholes for doing that to the train operator and screwing up everyone's commute. In their defense, the most efficient suicide tool is a little difficult to acquire in NYC.

Chester Nimitz did this shiat right.


I have been making my eventual intentions known to friends and family in regular and pragmatic/unemotional fashion for a long time. I strongly believe the quality of life holds all of the intrinsic value. I have no intention of spending any length of time awaiting death unless I retain a level of humanness (self reliance/mental competence) sufficient for my existence to be of positive overall impact on myself and others.

I sure hope I have the opportunity to ensure that. If I stroke out and my family have input in the decision I think I can trust them to decide as I would.
 
2014-04-29 10:35:58 PM  

happydude45: As a depressed kid, what made me not seriously consider suicide was knowing how it would destroy my parents. As a parent, it would destroy your kids and spouse. It is selfish.


If I learned tomorrow that my grandmother (the only person I have been really close to who died so far) committed suicide I would be glad. She was miserable and made even more miserable knowing that she was making those around her miserable. At a point it is no more selfish than a DNR.

Would you really have wanted your parents to live in severe mental and/or physical pain all day each and every day with no chance of it changing and them wanting to give up? That sounds pretty damned selfish.

Not every case is the same and people should consider those around them. But such a blanket statement is wrong.

But if you are going to do it, keep it personal. The costs of these two people offing themselves to numerous people (both financial and emotional) will be significant before even considering their family. There is no justification for that.
 
2014-04-30 12:05:51 AM  
pathetic
 
2014-04-30 12:27:41 AM  
People who commit suicide are in tremendous pain, enough pain to want to end their lives just to make that pain stop.

Selfish people are the ones who criticise that choice, since all that says is they care that a person is alive, but not about how much pain that person is suffering. It truly is all ME ME ME, it hurts MY feelings if you kill yourself. Ever thought that no matter how much your feelings might be hurt, the person who committed suicide was probably hurting a whole lot more to make that decision in the first place? Acting as though their pain is of less importance than yours is really being selfish.
 
2014-04-30 01:40:24 AM  
Fark that, suicide is selfish and cruel, esepecially in this case. FArk those people. I hope they're in a better place, but that's not a good exit.

No way is a good exit? Uh, BS.

Then again, I'd hate to lose functions of my body...which is why preventing aging as much as possible is important. I'll admit that stories like these scare me more than war
 
2014-04-30 01:42:29 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Repo Man: What's the ultimate in selfishness then?

Not sharing your Kit-Kat bar.


laying a finger on my Butterfinger?
 
2014-04-30 01:58:16 AM  

Somaticasual: As long as they didn't send the next of kin that roll of flesh thing...


ugh what a terrible movie
 
2014-04-30 01:59:38 AM  
The couple should have taken their case to the governor of Oklahoma. One way or another, she'd'a gotten it done.
 
2014-04-30 10:33:52 AM  

notatrollorami: But these threads are always full of those that have never had a "one true love" and don't genuinely believe it's possible. That's fine for you but don't pretend to know what these people were dealing with.

For my part it seems pretty obvious they had a glorious life filled with love. The frailty of the human body had already ended that glorious life for her and he was already dying inside seeing her plight. Again, a more thoughtful method should have been chosen. But I'll be damned if I'll fault him for ending her pain OR for knowing his life was already lost without his beloved.


It was not only that his beloved was gone but what he did is murder in the eyes of the law--he likely would spend much of the rest of his life behind bars for ending her pain.  Thus even if he did not want to die it was the cost of ending her suffering.
 
2014-04-30 11:11:47 AM  

Nidiot: People who commit suicide are in tremendous pain, enough pain to want to end their lives just to make that pain stop.

Selfish people are the ones who criticise that choice, since all that says is they care that a person is alive, but not about how much pain that person is suffering. It truly is all ME ME ME, it hurts MY feelings if you kill yourself. Ever thought that no matter how much your feelings might be hurt, the person who committed suicide was probably hurting a whole lot more to make that decision in the first place? Acting as though their pain is of less importance than yours is really being selfish.


Not a bad point. I think that what folks in here were saying was just that they didn't have to use the train as their method, because there were ways to commit suicide that didn't involve innocent bystanders.
 
2014-04-30 02:14:12 PM  
"He just said he loved me and he was sorry," Brad Myatt said. He knew something was wrong. He begged his father to tell him where he was, but Earl Myatt hung up.
What Brad Myatt wants people to know, more than anything, was that his father was a good man who worked hard and asked for nothing in return. And Mary Myatt was Earl Myatt's everything. Earl Myatt wasn't acting rationally, his son said, but he was acting out of love for the woman who had been by his side for four decades.
"She was his world," Brad Myatt said.
On Sunday, when Earl Myatt took his wife of 42 years to the train tracks, he wasn't himself, Brad Myatt said. He was a man who thought he was losing his everything.
 
2014-04-30 05:47:34 PM  
I knew her from my employment days.  Seems I realized she'd been in the hospital, but I had no idea she was this bad.  She was an extremely energetic, vibrant woman.  I can understand her husband unable to cope with her pain at being trapped in a body that no longer functioned as it should. I'll bet he could see her frustration in millions of tiny nuances, every day. Not condoning it, just saying...
 
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