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(CNN)   75 million people in US under threat due to today's severe weather. Pfft. That's only what? 1% of the planet? Where's your "global" warming now?   (cnn.com) divider line 94
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2014-04-29 11:14:38 AM  
I thought Sea Ice was on the Endangered Species List.
I know the AGW crowd has patented all this severe weather, but the Return of the Sea Ice needs a documentary to show how this proves AGW.
Mayhaps the polar bears have gotten tired of the squabbling and taken things into their own hands paws.
 
2014-04-29 11:21:01 AM  
Until the entire planet is covered with tornadoes IT'S NOT GLOBAL
 
2014-04-29 12:08:39 PM  
75 million is probably the number of people in China dying from various pollution-related causes today. A drop in the bucket.
 
2014-04-29 12:17:38 PM  
I hear the next big thing in gun control is tagging all bullets fired with some of your DNA.
 
2014-04-29 12:34:33 PM  

meat0918: I hear the next big thing in gun control is tagging all bullets fired with some of your DNA.


That's your solution to tornadoes? More gun control.

Typical Lib.
 
2014-04-29 12:36:13 PM  

snocone: I thought Sea Ice was on the Endangered Species List.
I know the AGW crowd has patented all this severe weather, but the Return of the Sea Ice needs a documentary to show how this proves AGW.
Mayhaps the polar bears have gotten tired of the squabbling and taken things into their own hands paws.


The sea ice isn't returning, at least not as quickly as it's diminishing.  This is only a point of debate amongst people that don't live there.  If you spent any time there over a span of years, it's immediately obvious.  And shocking how quickly it's happened.

The coverage expands and contracts, but even when it expands, it's thin.  The Northwest Passage has been flirting with regular seasonal navigability.  2012 was the first year that communities in the western Arctic were serviced during the annual sealift by vessels from the eastern Arctic.  Good news:  There's also some evidence that grey and bowhead whales have used the melting passageway to move from the Pacific to the Atlantic, returning to an area where they were hunted to extinction 200 years ago.
 
2014-04-29 12:40:02 PM  
Wow, I didn't realize that many people lived in trailer parks.
 
2014-04-29 12:54:35 PM  

unyon: snocone: I thought Sea Ice was on the Endangered Species List.
I know the AGW crowd has patented all this severe weather, but the Return of the Sea Ice needs a documentary to show how this proves AGW.
Mayhaps the polar bears have gotten tired of the squabbling and taken things into their own hands paws.

The sea ice isn't returning, at least not as quickly as it's diminishing.  This is only a point of debate amongst people that don't live there.  If you spent any time there over a span of years, it's immediately obvious.  And shocking how quickly it's happened.

The coverage expands and contracts, but even when it expands, it's thin.  The Northwest Passage has been flirting with regular seasonal navigability.  2012 was the first year that communities in the western Arctic were serviced during the annual sealift by vessels from the eastern Arctic.  Good news:  There's also some evidence that grey and bowhead whales have used the melting passageway to move from the Pacific to the Atlantic, returning to an area where they were hunted to extinction 200 years ago.



"Measurements from ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the volume of Arctic sea ice has significantly increased this past autumn.
The volume of ice measured this autumn is about 50% higher compared to last year. In October 2013, CryoSat measured about 9000 cubic km of sea ice - a notable increase compared to 6000 cubic km in October 2012."
"CryoSat was designed to measure sea-ice thickness across the entire Arctic Ocean, and has allowed scientists, for the first time, to monitor the overall change in volume accurately. "  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/05/cryosat-shows-arctic-sea-ice-vo l ume-up-50-from-last-year/

Thin, yea, that'll do it.
 
2014-04-29 01:03:30 PM  

snocone: Thin, yea, that'll do it.


Yeah well despite the strong start Arctic sea ice for the year is at the fifth-lowest level ever recorded and the trend is undeniable.

nsidc.org
 
2014-04-29 01:04:30 PM  
If global warming is real, then how come my room is always a consistent 73 degrees?
 
2014-04-29 01:05:45 PM  

flucto: snocone: Thin, yea, that'll do it.

Yeah well despite the strong start Arctic sea ice for the year is at the fifth-lowest level ever recorded and the trend is undeniable.

[nsidc.org image 850x680]


Pats head, scratches between ears.
That's nice.
 
2014-04-29 01:07:14 PM  
Heh, if we were under threat of a tornado today, that would imply that the temperatures actually got out of the 40s. farking winter has a death-grip on the great lakes region this spring.
 
2014-04-29 01:07:29 PM  

snocone: Pats head, scratches between ears.
That's nice.


Hadn't you better get to work? Those fries aren't going to cook themselves.
 
2014-04-29 01:07:58 PM  

snocone: unyon: snocone: I thought Sea Ice was on the Endangered Species List.
I know the AGW crowd has patented all this severe weather, but the Return of the Sea Ice needs a documentary to show how this proves AGW.
Mayhaps the polar bears have gotten tired of the squabbling and taken things into their own hands paws.

The sea ice isn't returning, at least not as quickly as it's diminishing.  This is only a point of debate amongst people that don't live there.  If you spent any time there over a span of years, it's immediately obvious.  And shocking how quickly it's happened.

The coverage expands and contracts, but even when it expands, it's thin.  The Northwest Passage has been flirting with regular seasonal navigability.  2012 was the first year that communities in the western Arctic were serviced during the annual sealift by vessels from the eastern Arctic.  Good news:  There's also some evidence that grey and bowhead whales have used the melting passageway to move from the Pacific to the Atlantic, returning to an area where they were hunted to extinction 200 years ago.


"Measurements from ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the volume of Arctic sea ice has significantly increased this past autumn.
The volume of ice measured this autumn is about 50% higher compared to last year. In October 2013, CryoSat measured about 9000 cubic km of sea ice - a notable increase compared to 6000 cubic km in October 2012."
"CryoSat was designed to measure sea-ice thickness across the entire Arctic Ocean, and has allowed scientists, for the first time, to monitor the overall change in volume accurately. "  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/05/cryosat-shows-arctic-sea-ice-vo l ume-up-50-from-last-year/

Thin, yea, that'll do it.



From the site's source: "Arctic Sea ice up from record low". It isn't difficult to be higher than the lowest poiNt in years, and even that data a point is less than half of the volume estimated in 1980. The downward trend hasn't reversed, and this one data point doesn't change that.
 
2014-04-29 01:09:58 PM  

germ78: Heh, if we were under threat of a tornado today, that would imply that the temperatures actually got out of the 40s. farking winter has a death-grip on the great lakes region this spring.


Minneapolis, light snow was falling most of this morning.
Fortunately, 37of.

Sorry boys, you missed your brief window.
 
2014-04-29 01:11:15 PM  

New Farkin User Name: snocone: unyon: snocone: I thought Sea Ice was on the Endangered Species List.
I know the AGW crowd has patented all this severe weather, but the Return of the Sea Ice needs a documentary to show how this proves AGW.
Mayhaps the polar bears have gotten tired of the squabbling and taken things into their own hands paws.

The sea ice isn't returning, at least not as quickly as it's diminishing.  This is only a point of debate amongst people that don't live there.  If you spent any time there over a span of years, it's immediately obvious.  And shocking how quickly it's happened.

The coverage expands and contracts, but even when it expands, it's thin.  The Northwest Passage has been flirting with regular seasonal navigability.  2012 was the first year that communities in the western Arctic were serviced during the annual sealift by vessels from the eastern Arctic.  Good news:  There's also some evidence that grey and bowhead whales have used the melting passageway to move from the Pacific to the Atlantic, returning to an area where they were hunted to extinction 200 years ago.


"Measurements from ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the volume of Arctic sea ice has significantly increased this past autumn.
The volume of ice measured this autumn is about 50% higher compared to last year. In October 2013, CryoSat measured about 9000 cubic km of sea ice - a notable increase compared to 6000 cubic km in October 2012."
"CryoSat was designed to measure sea-ice thickness across the entire Arctic Ocean, and has allowed scientists, for the first time, to monitor the overall change in volume accurately. "  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/05/cryosat-shows-arctic-sea-ice-vo l ume-up-50-from-last-year/

Thin, yea, that'll do it.


From the site's source: "Arctic Sea ice up from record low". It isn't difficult to be higher than the lowest poiNt in years, and even that data a point is less than half of the volume estimated in 1980. The downward trend hasn't reversed, and this one d ...


Certainly not following the Predictions of the Future I have had shoved down my throat.
 
2014-04-29 01:12:50 PM  
Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.
Guess ya just gotta fool enough to make your fortune and retire.
 
2014-04-29 01:17:20 PM  

Mike_LowELL: If global warming is real, then how come my room is always a consistent 73 degrees?


You live in Lechugilla?
 
2014-04-29 01:19:49 PM  
Jesus tittyfarking christ.

There are still Arctic sea ice decline deniers? In 20-farking-14?
 
2014-04-29 01:21:00 PM  
shiat's been thawin' for a million years. Hur Durr.
I live in a glacial moraine.

Jesus farking christ. Get a grip people.
Yeah, you have accelerated change with pollution.
No, you are not going to stop polluting and you will probably not run out of carbon for frying for a long, long while.
Yes, you like to feel all touchywouchy with the planet and save things.
No, you won't give up your personal amenities for that.
People are starving all over the planet, but you wont' feed them or tell them to stop FARKING LIKE BUNNIES, or move to where the farking water is or stop acting like it's farking 1265 out there.
Yes, you will still mumble in church and believe some cosmic muffin or hairy thunderer from outer space will save us all or erase us all.
You will continue to buy diamonds which are worthless rocks and you will continue to smoke and drink.
Both sides are bad, and both sides are stupid.
You are human. You will make mistakes. Jesus, just look at what you wore today.
Now what is really important? Anything?
Paying your bills?
Feeding everyone?
Making more people to use more resources?
The Kardashians? Honey Boo Boo? The Superbowl? baseball?
Really. Of all the arguments you could get apoplectic about,  global warming?
That is like arguing about the overall probability of rain when you are already drifting in a farking lifeboat.
This entire planet is already driven by lifeboat ethics. You might not want to admit it, but you are and Rangeev in the slum in Hyderabad is, and Ali is in that sheep cave in Yemen. All it boils down to is who is sleeping well at night. And that boils down to knowing you have water and food waiting for you in the morning.
You know. tight pussy, loose shoes and a warm place to shait.
 
2014-04-29 01:25:20 PM  
Climate change is real.
We are causing it.

Having said that we need more comprehensive, and more lengthy, observations of these weather events in order to make any conclusions that we are in fact causing an increase in severe weather outbreaks.

"Because Climate Change" is not ALWAYS the answer. although it can be if your only real ambition is to piss off some batshiat insane Republican...
 
2014-04-29 01:29:14 PM  

snocone: Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.


Dude, you are not the smart one here. I hate to break it to you, but you're just a smug moron. Everyone else is going to dance around and try to prove you wrong with graphs and data that you'll ignore, but I'll save time and just tell you that you're a farking dumb fool.
 
2014-04-29 01:30:00 PM  

snocone: I thought Sea Ice was on the Endangered Species List.
I know the AGW crowd has patented all this severe weather, but the Return of the Sea Ice needs a documentary to show how this proves AGW.
Mayhaps the polar bears have gotten tired of the squabbling and taken things into their own hands paws.


i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-29 01:35:23 PM  

Jon Snow: i.imgur.com


NSIDC needs to use the word "farking" in more charts. Would make all the difference.

"Huh, see here Jethro it says ice is farking declining. Hell I thought it was just regular declining. This  sounds serious"
 
2014-04-29 01:37:19 PM  

Mentalpatient87: snocone: Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.

Dude, you are not the smart one here. I hate to break it to you, but you're just a smug moron. Everyone else is going to dance around and try to prove you wrong with graphs and data that you'll ignore, but I'll save time and just tell you that you're a farking dumb fool.


Smart enough to fool you too.
Well, my work is done here.
Jon is on station.
Would love to stay and watch the trainwreck, but gotta go,,

green an' mean
 
2014-04-29 01:38:21 PM  

unyon: There's also some evidence that grey and bowhead whales have used the melting passageway to move from the Pacific to the Atlantic, returning to an area where they were hunted to extinction 200 years ago.


So then, there's good in this, yes?  Save the Whales.

Earth is like Craster's Keep to us.  Not in the baby-killing incestuous way, but moreso the "Our Planet.  Our Rules".  Deal.
 
2014-04-29 01:40:50 PM  

snocone: Thin, yea, that'll do it.

"Measurements from ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the volume of Arctic sea ice has significantly increased this past autumn.
The volume of ice measured this autumn is about 50% higher compared to last year. In October 2013, CryoSat measured about 9000 cubic km of sea ice - a notable increase compared to 6000 cubic km in October 2012."


So did you not know, not care, or intentionally fail to mention that that 9000km of sea ice is still only a scant 25% of what it was 40 years ago?  Because if there's anything that says 'trend', it's one year of data, especially when you cherry pick 2012 as your baseline, one of the hottest years in the arctic on record.


Frankly, you can believe it or don't believe it.  I've seen it with my own eyes in my own lifetime. You should go sometime.  Then you can quit sounding like an uninformed idiot on the internet.  There are schoolchildren in Innuvik giggling at your naiveté right now.

But you don't believe it.  So I tell you what:  The only thing I ask of you is that if you truly believe that the ice is getting thicker, then the northwest passage won't be a viable economic route, and therefore of no economic or strategic interest for the US.  Agreed?

 Since you're convinced that that's the case, there's really no reason for you not to ask your local representative for the US to be a good neighbour and full-throatedly support Canada's arctic sovereignty.  After all, there's no good reason why not to, what with all of that newly formed thick and lustrous sea ice bunging the place up.  And if you don't even respect our sovereignty, who knows what those pesky Russians will do?  They're already planting flags on the sea floor at the north pole, so we already know how they feel about sovereignty.

Help us help you.  Help US.  Help YOU.  Doesn't that sound like a good deal?
 
2014-04-29 01:49:09 PM  

snocone: Smart enough to fool you too.
Well, my work is done here.


i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-29 01:54:20 PM  

Mentalpatient87: snocone: Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.

Dude, you are not the smart one here. I hate to break it to you, but you're just a smug moron. Everyone else is going to dance around and try to prove you wrong with graphs and data that you'll ignore, but I'll save time and just tell you that you're a farking dumb fool.


This is the thing that always strikes me about climate change deniers. They are invariably the stupidest people in the room, yet so smugly self-assured that they have seen through the "hoax" the rest of us have fallen for. Dunning and Kruger would be proud. I also admire their ability to cite research that actually disproves their point.

As for all the other denialists: take a look at snocone. This is the company you're keeping.
 
2014-04-29 02:17:01 PM  

flucto: Until the entire planet is covered with tornadoes IT'S NOT GLOBAL


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-29 02:23:48 PM  
It's 48 degrees today, and I'm trying to get my pool open...
 
2014-04-29 02:25:02 PM  

Ambitwistor: flucto: Until the entire planet is covered with tornadoes IT'S NOT GLOBAL

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 425x279]


That's my favorite Van Gogh painting.
 
2014-04-29 02:34:54 PM  
News media hype only on days ending in "y".
 
2014-04-29 02:38:57 PM  

snocone: Smart enough to fool you too.


Convincing people that you're a moron does not mean you're smart.
 
2014-04-29 03:08:00 PM  

TheNewJesus: Climate change is real.
We are causing it.

Having said that we need more comprehensive, and more lengthy, observations of these weather events in order to make any conclusions that we are in fact causing an increase in severe weather outbreaks.

"Because Climate Change" is not ALWAYS the answer. although it can be if your only real ambition is to piss off some batshiat insane Republican...


Exactly.  The whole "weather vs climate" thing that is harped on in any nice weather, climate change denier thread.
 
2014-04-29 03:22:06 PM  
scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-04-29 03:46:16 PM  
I'm not sure the tornado-climate change link was ever scientifically established.  I'd hate for people to think weather=climate.  Because then they might do stupid shiat and start thinking global warming isn't real.

Which is unambiguously stupid.  Like is a genuine sign you don't understand science at all.
 
2014-04-29 03:54:52 PM  

Jon Snow: snocone: Smart enough to fool you too.
Well, my work is done here.


Saved me the trouble, thanks.
 
2014-04-29 03:57:35 PM  

czetie: Mentalpatient87: snocone: Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.

Dude, you are not the smart one here. I hate to break it to you, but you're just a smug moron. Everyone else is going to dance around and try to prove you wrong with graphs and data that you'll ignore, but I'll save time and just tell you that you're a farking dumb fool.

This is the thing that always strikes me about climate change deniers. They are invariably the stupidest people in the room, yet so smugly self-assured that they have seen through the "hoax" the rest of us have fallen for. Dunning and Kruger would be proud. I also admire their ability to cite research that actually disproves their point.

As for all the other denialists: take a look at snocone. This is the company you're keeping.


One thing I deny, fool, is ever saying that the world climate is not in a warming trend.

Your mission, should you choose to accept, fool, is to read my extensive works and report back.
 
2014-04-29 04:17:31 PM  

snocone: czetie: Mentalpatient87: snocone: Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.

Dude, you are not the smart one here. I hate to break it to you, but you're just a smug moron. Everyone else is going to dance around and try to prove you wrong with graphs and data that you'll ignore, but I'll save time and just tell you that you're a farking dumb fool.

This is the thing that always strikes me about climate change deniers. They are invariably the stupidest people in the room, yet so smugly self-assured that they have seen through the "hoax" the rest of us have fallen for. Dunning and Kruger would be proud. I also admire their ability to cite research that actually disproves their point.

As for all the other denialists: take a look at snocone. This is the company you're keeping.

One thing I deny, fool, is ever saying that the world climate is not in a warming trend.

Your mission, should you choose to accept, fool, is to read my extensive works and report back.



Neither czetie nor anyone else has claimed that you said anything about "the world climate is not in a warming trend". However, what you have said in this thread about sea ice has been soundly refuted. That's not a bad thing in of itself, but how you choose to react to it is more important.

The point, that you're missing, is how you came to hold that opinion you posted in the first place. I don't agree with the overly negative tone, but everyone would be better off if they learned a bit about a subject before expressing a strong opinion, as well as being aware of the limitations of their own knowledge
 
2014-04-29 04:37:04 PM  

germ78: Heh, if we were under threat of a tornado today, that would imply that the temperatures actually got out of the 40s. farking winter has a death-grip on the great lakes region this spring.


That is just because Mab is healing Harry Dresden right now...  It'll warm up afterwards...
 
2014-04-29 04:42:26 PM  

Damnhippyfreak: snocone: czetie: Mentalpatient87: snocone: Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.

Dude, you are not the smart one here. I hate to break it to you, but you're just a smug moron. Everyone else is going to dance around and try to prove you wrong with graphs and data that you'll ignore, but I'll save time and just tell you that you're a farking dumb fool.

This is the thing that always strikes me about climate change deniers. They are invariably the stupidest people in the room, yet so smugly self-assured that they have seen through the "hoax" the rest of us have fallen for. Dunning and Kruger would be proud. I also admire their ability to cite research that actually disproves their point.

As for all the other denialists: take a look at snocone. This is the company you're keeping.

One thing I deny, fool, is ever saying that the world climate is not in a warming trend.

Your mission, should you choose to accept, fool, is to read my extensive works and report back.


Neither czetie nor anyone else has claimed that you said anything about "the world climate is not in a warming trend". However, what you have said in this thread about sea ice has been soundly refuted.


Stop right there, hold the bus!
Kindly indicate what you and your farked up ad hominem mentality THINK I said about Sea Ice?
 
2014-04-29 04:50:28 PM  

snocone: Damnhippyfreak: snocone: czetie: Mentalpatient87: snocone: Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.

Dude, you are not the smart one here. I hate to break it to you, but you're just a smug moron. Everyone else is going to dance around and try to prove you wrong with graphs and data that you'll ignore, but I'll save time and just tell you that you're a farking dumb fool.

This is the thing that always strikes me about climate change deniers. They are invariably the stupidest people in the room, yet so smugly self-assured that they have seen through the "hoax" the rest of us have fallen for. Dunning and Kruger would be proud. I also admire their ability to cite research that actually disproves their point.

As for all the other denialists: take a look at snocone. This is the company you're keeping.

One thing I deny, fool, is ever saying that the world climate is not in a warming trend.

Your mission, should you choose to accept, fool, is to read my extensive works and report back.


Neither czetie nor anyone else has claimed that you said anything about "the world climate is not in a warming trend". However, what you have said in this thread about sea ice has been soundly refuted.

Stop right there, hold the bus!
Kindly indicate what you and your farked up ad hominem mentality THINK I said about Sea Ice?



snocone: I thought Sea Ice was on the Endangered Species List.
I know the AGW crowd has patented all this severe weather, but the Return of the Sea Ice needs a documentary to show how this proves AGW.
Mayhaps the polar bears have gotten tired of the squabbling and taken things into their own hands paws.



snocone: "Measurements from ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the volume of Arctic sea ice has significantly increased this past autumn.
The volume of ice measured this autumn is about 50% higher compared to last year. In October 2013, CryoSat measured about 9000 cubic km of sea ice - a notable increase compared to 6000 cubic km in October 2012."
"CryoSat was designed to measure sea-ice thickness across the entire Arctic Ocean, and has allowed scientists, for the first time, to monitor the overall change in volume accurately. "  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/05/cryosat-shows-arctic-sea-ice-vo l ume-up-50-from-last-year/

Thin, yea, that'll do it.



It looks like you're trying to make the case that the increase in ice over one year is somehow inconsistent with decreasing sea ice and inconsistent with AGW.

Does this misrepresent what you've said? If so, then what did you actually mean?
 
2014-04-29 04:54:53 PM  

snocone: you and your farked up ad hominem mentality


snocone: fool


snocone: Still hard to fool all of the people all of the time.
Guess ya just gotta fool enough to make your fortune and retire.


snocone: Pats head, scratches between ears.
That's nice.


snocone: you and your farked up ad hominem mentality

 
2014-04-29 05:04:55 PM  
Damnhippyfreak:

For a scienced up self proclaimed expert, with all due respect, your reading comprehension could use some direction.

Reread what I actually said.
I then quoted a nice report of an IMPROVEMENT(that is what you want, eh?) in our measure of the changes to our world.

Now, I could have said:"
This is a wonderful thing. The Ice returns because of our initial steps at stabilizing our runaway climate. Koyoto is helping! Maybe not a lot, but it shows we must double and redouble our efforts."
But, I did not.

Or, perhaps I intended:"

Maybe we could consider nuking India and China. I mean, we are obviously on the right path with this carbon thing.
Take them out of it and Happy Happy Climate.
Too much? No, No! End obviously justifies the means."
But, I did not.
Nor did I call anyone names before they demonstrated foolish comments.
 
2014-04-29 05:14:03 PM  
Someone text Jesus.
 
2014-04-29 05:22:09 PM  
Anyone else watch the storm chaser feeds? 

Saw some really cool stuff yesterday.
 
2014-04-29 05:25:28 PM  

snocone: Damnhippyfreak:

For a scienced up self proclaimed expert, with all due respect, your reading comprehension could use some direction.

Reread what I actually said.
I then quoted a nice report of an IMPROVEMENT(that is what you want, eh?) in our measure of the changes to our world.

Now, I could have said:"
This is a wonderful thing. The Ice returns because of our initial steps at stabilizing our runaway climate. Koyoto is helping! Maybe not a lot, but it shows we must double and redouble our efforts."
But, I did not.

Or, perhaps I intended:"

Maybe we could consider nuking India and China. I mean, we are obviously on the right path with this carbon thing.
Take them out of it and Happy Happy Climate.
Too much? No, No! End obviously justifies the means."
But, I did not.
Nor did I call anyone names before they demonstrated foolish comments.



Just to get the previous point out of the way, can I get an explicit confirmation that what I attempted to paraphrase is correct?

Damnhippyfreak: It looks like you're trying to make the case that the increase in ice over one year is somehow inconsistent with decreasing sea ice and inconsistent with AGW.



Now between that and what you've just said, the idea that you're missing is that such a change over one year actually does not actually represent an 'improvement' in the context of AGW.A change over a single year ( or less) does not somehow disprove a longer-term trend, which is what we're interested in this context. This is what some of the responses to you have tried to express, such as here and here. some of the other responses have questioned what kind of reasoning process you've undergone in order for you to hold such an opinion.

It looks like what may have not connected with you is the reasons why such a single year does not say what you think. If that's the case, just say so and we can explain it a bit better. However, simply ignoring counter-arguments isn't a good policy, and does not serve you well, especially in the light of people questioning your reasoning, such as  czetie and Mentalpatient87. I'm sure you don't wish to prove them right.
 
2014-04-29 06:00:12 PM  
Here's a fun read that alarmists may find uncomfortable.

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/transit.html

/and not just because it has a lot of words
 
2014-04-29 06:10:05 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Here's a fun read that alarmists may find uncomfortable.

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/transit.html

/and not just because it has a lot of words



Indeed. The potential existence of 'tipping points' and implied positive feedback loops is a significant source of uncertainty in potential future changes. As the paper you linked to puts it:

Sudden stepwise instability is also a disturbing scenario to be borne in mind when considering the effects that humans might have on the climate system through adding greenhouse gases. Judging by what we see from the past, conditions might gradually be building up to a 'break point' at which a dramatic change in the climate system will occur over just a decade or two, as a result of a seemingly innocuous trigger.


A less stable climate system that we think is bad news for us as we continue to alter said system.
 
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