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2014-04-29 08:04:07 AM  
Politest society ever.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 08:04:15 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-29 08:05:30 AM  
I guess they no longer live to deliver
 
2014-04-29 08:05:49 AM  
Relax, it's FedEx
 
2014-04-29 08:06:03 AM  
In before gun arguments...too early for popcorn really...so I'll enjoy the reasonable debate with my breakfast.
 
2014-04-29 08:06:24 AM  
Georgia? What a surprise...
 
2014-04-29 08:06:40 AM  
www.sporthoj.com
 
2014-04-29 08:07:06 AM  
Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...
 
2014-04-29 08:07:09 AM  
Six people injured, and the police are expecting more? Why don't they get off their fat lazy asses and stop any more people from getting injured?
 
2014-04-29 08:07:19 AM  
So... is this going to effect my Prime shipping speeds?
 
2014-04-29 08:07:25 AM  
Going postal: Coming soon to your preferred courier.
 
2014-04-29 08:07:32 AM  
Good lord, they're getting started early today, aren't they?
 
2014-04-29 08:08:24 AM  
Disgruntled TSA employee? Finally snapped after having to grope one too many sweaty nutsacks?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 08:08:49 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Relax, it's FedEx


No, that's bad.  I have packages coming through Georgia today!
 
2014-04-29 08:10:06 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Six people injured, and the police are expecting more? Why don't they get off their fat lazy asses and stop any more people from getting injured?


That would be a violation of this gun owners rights.
 
2014-04-29 08:10:14 AM  
And I'm sure it was faster, timlier, and less expensive than a USPS shooting.
 
2014-04-29 08:10:24 AM  
FedEx, when it absolutely, positively has to be shot overnight.
 
2014-04-29 08:10:33 AM  
Hey, we're even privatizing our postal-shootings!

U-S-A  U-S-A!
 
2014-04-29 08:10:38 AM  
If everyone there had an Uzi this wouldn't have happened!


/too soon?
 
2014-04-29 08:11:09 AM  

amindtat: Georgia? What a surprise...


Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?
 
2014-04-29 08:11:48 AM  
Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.
 
2014-04-29 08:11:48 AM  
Farking King of England tried to muscle in on our overnight shipping again, I see.
 
2014-04-29 08:11:57 AM  
The really sad thing is how jaded I am to these anymore.  Fed Ex airport office eh?  Yeah, sounds about right.  Another one.
 
2014-04-29 08:12:00 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Six people injured, and the police are expecting more? Why don't they get off their fat lazy asses and stop any more people from getting injured?


Union employees.
 
2014-04-29 08:12:48 AM  
Another gun-free zone at work.
 
2014-04-29 08:12:57 AM  
Apparently they didn't get it there overnight.
 
2014-04-29 08:13:06 AM  
www.adweek.com
 
2014-04-29 08:13:07 AM  
It's my bet they will find the gunman either at the business with a round in his head, or at home with the same. These cowards generally kill themselves after murdering their families or co-workers. Sad sad day indeed.
 
2014-04-29 08:13:08 AM  
Does this mean my packages won't arrive today?

What does UPS have to say about this? Where were they at the time of the shooting? Notice how UPS is being suspicously quiet about this? I'd question them.
 
2014-04-29 08:13:34 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.


The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.
 
2014-04-29 08:13:49 AM  
Records were meant to be broken. Sadly.
 
2014-04-29 08:13:57 AM  
This would be an example of an irresponsible gun owner.

A responsible gun owner would not have done this. That's how you can tell the difference.
 
2014-04-29 08:13:58 AM  
If only someone had fedexed a gun to security....
 
2014-04-29 08:14:34 AM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?


It's not necessarily "South-hate".  This type of thing might not surprise people given Georgia's recent activity on gun control (or lack thereof).
 
2014-04-29 08:14:46 AM  

LaurenAguilera: So... is this going to effect my Prime shipping speeds?


Are you served by Cobb County airport? It's a local issue at best.
 
2014-04-29 08:14:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: MrHappyRotter: Six people injured, and the police are expecting more? Why don't they get off their fat lazy asses and stop any more people from getting injured?

That would be a violation of this gun owners rights.


Maybe that person was looking for a job and had considered applying at FedEx. And maybe the psychologist told him to take a shot at it.
 
2014-04-29 08:14:53 AM  
I bet if the office building itself was armed with its own predator drone this never would have happened.
 
2014-04-29 08:15:15 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.


www.wwe.com

If you ever take a trip down to Cobb County, Georgia.
You better read the signs
Respect the law and order.
You'll serve hard times.
You'll be serving hard times.
 
2014-04-29 08:15:24 AM  
Someone else is pissed about the Braves too, I see.
 
2014-04-29 08:15:29 AM  
Because the mail never stops. It just keeps coming and coming and coming. There's never a letup, It's relentless. Every day it piles up more and more, but the more you get out, the more it keeps coming. And then the bar code reader breaks. And then it's Publisher's Clearinghouse day...
i.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-29 08:15:36 AM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: amindtat: Georgia? What a surprise...

Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?


Some people have nothing better to do.
 
2014-04-29 08:15:44 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.


I only remember where it is because of the Big Boss Man.
 
2014-04-29 08:16:07 AM  
Look, it's really quite simple.  Just get rid of all the gun laws and restrictions.  Good, law abiding citizens will never use their guns to commit an act of violence except in extreme cases of self defense, and criminals or the mentally unstable will not obey the laws in the first place.

The fact that many criminals or mentally unstable people APPEAR to be good, law abiding citizens until the moment they use guns to commit violence is a non starter, since clearly they are NOT good, law abiding citizens.  See?
 
2014-04-29 08:16:25 AM  
What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee
 
2014-04-29 08:16:30 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?

It's not necessarily "South-hate".  This type of thing might not surprise people given Georgia's recent activity on gun control (or lack thereof).


When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"
 
2014-04-29 08:16:44 AM  

exatron: The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.


True, but that doesn't mean the fark headline can't be a little more descriptive.
 
2014-04-29 08:17:33 AM  
The injured were tagged with tracking numbers and shipped out.
 
2014-04-29 08:17:44 AM  
Too much fiber in the corn on the cobb.
 
2014-04-29 08:17:58 AM  

KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"


But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.
 
2014-04-29 08:18:15 AM  

upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee


Duh, mass shootings occur during church.
 
2014-04-29 08:19:13 AM  
Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.
 
2014-04-29 08:19:34 AM  

KingKauff: Duh, mass shootings occur during church.


snert.  That's funny, right there.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 08:19:44 AM  

Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.


And, yet again, a law abiding citizen didn't pull a gun and stop it.  Must be time to arm the 5 year olds now...
 
2014-04-29 08:19:45 AM  
If someone were to shoot up a church during mass would it be a mass shooting or a mass shooting?
 
2014-04-29 08:19:54 AM  
Were the injured delivered to the hospital on time?
 
2014-04-29 08:20:14 AM  
So... embarrassment over small penis size?
 
2014-04-29 08:21:08 AM  
Clearly the thing to do is load everybody up with more and more guns.  How can we hope to curb gun violence until every single American is overbrimming with guns at all times?
 
2014-04-29 08:21:25 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.


No one gets their panties in a twist about 'another two minorities shot....'. These office/shopping/school things happen with just the right frequency for people to seem rare enough to note.
 
2014-04-29 08:21:56 AM  

Noah_Tall: If someone were to shoot up a church during mass would it be a mass shooting or a mass shooting?


Shooting mass.  Followed by a funeral mass.
 
2014-04-29 08:22:05 AM  
In this photo from the AJC (Atlanta Journal) looks more like cops waiting for donuts rather than looking for a shooter.

Also I guess the brown shirt and blue shirts don't get along well or they are waiting to take the field for the second half of the shooting

media.cmgdigital.com
 
2014-04-29 08:22:16 AM  

KingKauff: upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee

Duh, mass shootings occur during church.


CSB: I used to be a Catholic Church musician (before I came out); our church had just got a new organ and we were playing with the features to see what all we had. We hit one setting that wasn't labeled and started getting automatic rifle fire sounds on different notes.

We decided to save that one for the next time Monsignor did a 30-minute homily.

/end CSB
 
2014-04-29 08:23:07 AM  

Persnickety: Clearly the thing to do is load everybody up with more and more guns.  How can we hope to curb gun violence until every single American is overbrimming with guns at all times?


Wrong.

That's woefully inadequate. Everyone should be armed with tactical nuke wristguns w/ silencers and infrared scopes
 
2014-04-29 08:23:23 AM  

macross87: Were the injured delivered to the hospital on time?


They'll have to overnight them.  That's FedEx for ya:  When seconds count, FedEx is just one night away.
 
2014-04-29 08:23:32 AM  

macross87: Were the injured delivered to the hospital on time?


Considering it was a FedEx Ground facility, they have until the end of the day to deliver
 
2014-04-29 08:24:05 AM  
farking hell.  There's no end in sight, and I'm way sick of this shiat.
 
2014-04-29 08:24:10 AM  

JohnCarter: In this photo from the AJC (Atlanta Journal) looks more like cops waiting for donuts rather than looking for a shooter.

Also I guess the brown shirt and blue shirts don't get along well or they are waiting to take the field for the second half of the shooting

[media.cmgdigital.com image 615x410]


I like how both crews have a token.
 
2014-04-29 08:24:46 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.


Really?

Just the other day there was a story on here about how there's now an interactive map you can use to check out the weekend shootings in the chicago area.
http://www.fark.com/comments/8237898/So-its-come-to-this-Chicago-The -S un-Times-has-developed-an-interactive-map-known-as-Weekend-Shooting-Tr acker-so-people-can-see-how-many-people-were-shot-when-they-were-shot- where-they-were-shot

There's Chicago stories on here on the time where have you been?
 
2014-04-29 08:25:37 AM  
This is one of those 24/7 shipping warehouses where they have three shifts going nonstop and even before 6am it is fully staffed, right?
 
2014-04-29 08:26:07 AM  

Noah_Tall: If someone were to shoot up a church during mass would it be a mass shooting or a mass shooting?


A mass mass shooting of course.
 
2014-04-29 08:26:35 AM  

SlothB77: This is one of those 24/7 shipping warehouses where they have three shifts going nonstop and even before 6am it is fully staffed, right?


I'd assume so. ThaThat's how they work here. Doubly so the ones by the airport.
 
2014-04-29 08:27:04 AM  

Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.


I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".
 
2014-04-29 08:27:40 AM  

SlothB77: This is one of those 24/7 shipping warehouses where they have three shifts going nonstop and even before 6am it is fully staffed, right?


It's at an airport, so yeah I would guess that to be the case.
 
2014-04-29 08:27:49 AM  

Boo_Guy: Noah_Tall: If someone were to shoot up a church during mass would it be a mass shooting or a mass shooting?

A mass mass shooting of course.


If it was being filmed for one of those TV preacher shows would it be a mass mass shooting shooting or a mass shooting mass shooting?
 
2014-04-29 08:28:06 AM  

NickelP: jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.

No one gets their panties in a twist about 'another two minorities shot....'. These office/shopping/school things happen with just the right frequency for people to seem rare enough to note.


I think most people accept that if your chosen profession is street level enforcer, you've knowingly taken on some risk of being shot. Some shlub slinging boxes at FedEx, not so much.
 
2014-04-29 08:28:10 AM  

fireclown: And I'm sure it was faster, timlier, and less expensive than a USPS shooting.


This wouldn't be a problem if they hadn't been obligated to fund their next 70 years' worth of shootings!!!
 
2014-04-29 08:29:08 AM  
Wellstar was expecting more victims but since Metro EMS is the 1st responders many died unnecessarily.
 
2014-04-29 08:29:25 AM  

JohnCarter: In this photo from the AJC (Atlanta Journal) looks more like cops waiting for donuts rather than looking for a shooter.

Also I guess the brown shirt and blue shirts don't get along well or they are waiting to take the field for the second half of the shooting

[media.cmgdigital.com image 615x410]


They really don't like each other.  There was a documentary made about it a few years ago.
 
2014-04-29 08:29:27 AM  
Sales must be down. The stockholders are probably getting pissy. These are always the best advertising the gun manufacturers can get and they don't even have to pay for it.

exatron: The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.

Presume nothing.
 
2014-04-29 08:31:51 AM  

MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.


So you advocate for mental health screenings prior to being allowed to own firearms, right?
 
2014-04-29 08:32:55 AM  

upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee


/I have always been in the understanding that anything above 4 or five is considered "mass".  As far as i know, there is no fixed number, but generally, i have seen 4 or 5 to be the line.
 
2014-04-29 08:33:05 AM  
farking stop this shiat you nutters!
 
2014-04-29 08:33:13 AM  

MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.


The former is easy, the latter two not so much.  Obviously most people who go on a rampage aren't sane.  A sane person who contemplates this soon realizes that the endgame is life in prison or death, so that's no good.  The problem is that in most cases that insanity is never discovered until after there are bodies.  I don't know what the solution is, but that's definitely the heart of the problem.  Crazy people get a hold of powerful weapons.
 
2014-04-29 08:33:32 AM  

Contribution Corsair: In before gun arguments...too early for popcorn really...so I'll enjoy the reasonable debate with my breakfast.


actually, before the advent of modern breakfast cereal as we know it, popcorn was often served with sugar and milk. It didn't really become the savory snack we know today until the advent of Motion pictures!
 
2014-04-29 08:34:07 AM  

Deathfrogg: Sales must be down. The stockholders are probably getting pissy. These are always the best advertising the gun manufacturers can get and they don't even have to pay for it.

exatron: The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.

Presume nothing.


I live a few counties over from that facility. I saw the Huntsville label on the station name, and initially wondered if there was a Cobb County in Alabama. So you are correct, presume nothing.
 
2014-04-29 08:34:29 AM  
This cannot have happened, since FedEx has a rule against bringing guns into their sites. Gun-free rules always work and magically make it impossible for guns to exist.
 
2014-04-29 08:34:33 AM  

RobotSpider: Hey, we're even privatizing our postal-shootings!

U-S-A  U-S-A!


damn, was going to post this.

/shakes tiny fist
//good on ya
 
2014-04-29 08:34:38 AM  

MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.


Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.
 
2014-04-29 08:34:50 AM  

fruitloop: Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.

I only remember where it is because of the Big Boss Man.


You can bet if he was still with us, he'd have put a stop to it.

/Or dragged a casket away.
 
2014-04-29 08:34:56 AM  
I live down the road from that airport.

I don't think there is anybody from the TSA there.  It doesn't handle passenger traffic.
 
2014-04-29 08:35:03 AM  
Since someone always says, "Doesn't Chicago/DC/Maryland have some of thestrictest gun laws in the country" when there is a shooting in Chicago, DC or Maryland, I guess it isrelevant to ask...

Doesn't Georgia have some of the most permissive gun laws in the country?
 
2014-04-29 08:35:16 AM  

Babwa Wawa: exatron: The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.

True, but that doesn't mean the fark headline can't be a little more descriptive.


Why don't you just look it up?
 
2014-04-29 08:35:46 AM  

exatron: Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.

The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.


Yes, but it's on the internet, where people from around the world will read it.  It only takes four additional keystrokes (", GA") to solve that problem completely, which seems well worth the effort to me.

/I only know where Cobb County is thanks to the WWF
 
2014-04-29 08:36:02 AM  

willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.


What about that highway that got hit by the tornado? Its pretty tough to fault a driver for that
 
2014-04-29 08:36:38 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.


Get off that cross you nailed yourself to.
 
2014-04-29 08:36:38 AM  
i26.photobucket.com

/Just because
 
2014-04-29 08:36:59 AM  

Destructor: This would be an example of an irresponsible gun owner.

A responsible gun owner would not have done this. That's how you can tell the difference.


A responsible gun owner would know the where abouts of his weapons and be able to report to the police if they are stolen in a timely manner but irresponsible gun owners don't want that.

A responsible gun owner would have his weapons stored where kids can not gain access but irresponsible gun owners don't want any laws saying that.
 
2014-04-29 08:37:21 AM  
Why are there never any mass shootings at Smith & Wesson, Remington, etc...?
 
2014-04-29 08:37:32 AM  

dittybopper: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".


/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.
 
2014-04-29 08:37:43 AM  
i527.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-29 08:38:35 AM  

MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.


Wasn't that red haired nut who shot up the movie theater a legal owner of the guns he used?  I'm not sure but I thought he was.

Since when do they check to see if you're level headed and sane when you buy a gun?
Isn't that part of the problem?
 
2014-04-29 08:39:14 AM  

MBrady: HotWingConspiracy: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

So you advocate for mental health screenings prior to being allowed to own firearms, right?

If it'll keep the wackos from getting a legal gun, sure.


What if they're sane today and crazy tomorrow?

Then again we have laws that are supposed to keep criminals from getting guns, and that works so well, right?

The laws are a joke and intentionally watered down by politicians that must show fealty to gun groups to attain wealth and political power.
 
2014-04-29 08:39:20 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.


I was thinking the exact same thing.
 
2014-04-29 08:39:44 AM  

MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.


You're right, usually it is some wahoo that has completely gone off the reservation, sporting a tomahawk haircut and toting around a chopped-off shotgun that makes headlines. That was an error on me, a good catch by you.
 
2014-04-29 08:39:59 AM  
Thank god I received my packages yesterday. I couldn't wait another day to try ExtenZe
/a package for my package
 
2014-04-29 08:40:00 AM  

willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.


Well, this is Georgia, so I am sure there are plenty of instances of multiple-car accidents after someone hits a deer, or a fallen limb from a tree, etc. Or an at-fault pedestrian or bicyclist starts an accident, etc.
 
2014-04-29 08:40:14 AM  

Muta: Since someone always says, "Doesn't Chicago/DC/Maryland have some of thestrictest gun laws in the country" when there is a shooting in Chicago, DC or Maryland, I guess it isrelevant to ask...

Doesn't Georgia have some of the most permissive gun laws in the country?


No, if you bring that up, it's "southern hate" or some such asshattery apparently.
 
2014-04-29 08:40:26 AM  

Cymbal: That's woefully inadequate. Everyone should be armed with tactical nuke wristguns w/ silencers and infrared scopes


www.angryflower.com
 
2014-04-29 08:40:26 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: dittybopper: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".

/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.


Some guy walked in and shot up a police station a few months back.
 
2014-04-29 08:40:40 AM  
This is simply what they call "Tuesday" in Chicago, whereas it is a very rare occurrence in Georgia.

/Know the airport (McCollum Field) and Fedex Building well, drive past them all the time.
 
2014-04-29 08:40:51 AM  

gnosis301: jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.

Get off that cross you nailed yourself to.


/Well if we could figure out how to get gang members to stop spraying rounds into innocent victims while throwing moranic gang signs we would have that problem licked now wouldn't we? You can't fix stupid, and darwin generally assures us that he will continue to weed out genetically flawed citizens.
 
2014-04-29 08:41:54 AM  

Boo_Guy: Because the mail never stops. It just keeps coming and coming and coming. There's never a letup, It's relentless. Every day it piles up more and more, but the more you get out, the more it keeps coming. And then the bar code reader breaks. And then it's Publisher's Clearinghouse day...
[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


That's every damned job in the world.
 
2014-04-29 08:44:14 AM  

Destructor: This would be an example of an irresponsible gun owner.

A responsible gun owner would not have done this. That's how you can tell the difference.


No true Scotsman alert -- if the only way we can tell responsible gun owners from the irresponsible is by hindsight after a mass shooting, we're doing something genuinely wrong.

Of course, it's an NTS with a fairly rational basis, so I'll buy it. This is a case example of why we need to vet prospective gun owners, or have in place regulation that ensures guns end up in --  and stay in -- the hands of  only responsible owners.
 
2014-04-29 08:44:25 AM  
d23:

And, yet again, a law abiding citizen didn't pull a gun and stop it.  Must be time to arm the 5 year olds now...

I'm guessing it was a gun free zone so no, a law abiding citizen wouldn't pull a gun to stop it because that would be....a violation of the law.
 
2014-04-29 08:44:59 AM  

BalugaJoe: Too much fiber in the corn on the cobb.


Once you hit cobb, you're supposed to turn it, or stop eating.
 
2014-04-29 08:45:03 AM  
Looks like that "Guns everywhere" law is working out as expected.
 
2014-04-29 08:45:18 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: gnosis301: jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.

Get off that cross you nailed yourself to.

/Well if we could figure out how to get gang members cops to stop spraying rounds into innocent victims we would have that problem licked now wouldn't we? You can't fix stupid, and darwin generally assures us that he will continue to weed out genetically flawed citizens.


FTFY
 
2014-04-29 08:45:19 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Bit'O'Gristle: dittybopper: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".

/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.

Some guy walked in and shot up a police station a few months back.


Heard about military bases too.
 
2014-04-29 08:45:28 AM  

UNC_Samurai: fireclown: And I'm sure it was faster, timlier, and less expensive than a USPS shooting.

This wouldn't be a problem if they hadn't been obligated to fund their next 70 years' worth of shootings!!!


3.bp.blogspot.com
Well played sir.
 
2014-04-29 08:45:32 AM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?


Well, Georgia  did just pass their "guns everywhere" law.
 
2014-04-29 08:46:02 AM  

FullMetalPanda: I know people are trying to be "smart"

but the premise of an armed society means everyone has a gun.  Meaning everyone is polite to each other because they're afraid if they piss off the other person they'll get shot.

It forces everyone to behave due to MAD Mutually assured destruction if you will.



It really is tragically, frustratingly futile to try to reason with people who believe what you just stated, but I'll bite. Is what happened this morning an example of people behaving?
 
2014-04-29 08:46:10 AM  

NickelP: willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.

What about that highway that got hit by the tornado? Its pretty tough to fault a driver for that


Nope. Responsible drivers listen to the storm warnings and emergency broadcasts and get off the road.
 
2014-04-29 08:46:19 AM  

Boo_Guy: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Wasn't that red haired nut who shot up the movie theater a legal owner of the guns he used?  I'm not sure but I thought he was.

Since when do they check to see if you're level headed and sane when you buy a gun?
Isn't that part of the problem?


Yes, you can't tell if someone is batshiat crazy when they want to buy a gun, they make a little mark next to "no" when they fill out the application for their FOID under "have you ever been or are now being treated for mental illness within the last X amount of years".  Duh, like they are going to check "yes, I'm a total wack job who wants to see blood...and brains, and veins in my teeth".  This is the flaw.  Unless there is a record of this person being committed, or having a felony, they are good to go.
 
2014-04-29 08:46:47 AM  

MatrixOutsider: The injured were tagged with tracking numbers and shipped out.


I should say, they should check the tracking numbers to see how many more are going to be taken to the hospital and if they've arrived.
 
2014-04-29 08:46:49 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: MBrady: HotWingConspiracy: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

So you advocate for mental health screenings prior to being allowed to own firearms, right?

If it'll keep the wackos from getting a legal gun, sure.

What if they're sane today and crazy tomorrow?

Then again we have laws that are supposed to keep criminals from getting guns, and that works so well, right?

The laws are a joke and intentionally watered down by politicians that must show fealty to gun groups to attain wealth and political power.


Here is my proposal. It lets people have guns, keeps the government from intruding on your personal life, and adds some accountability to the mix.

If you want a gun, you need 2 people to vouch for you, that you are a responsible person, stable, and they believe you are trustworthy enough to have a gun. It could be any 2 people who are not immediate family.

Then you get your gun(s).

However, if you do something irresponsible with them, like lose them, commit a crime, accidently put a bullet through the neighbors house, or gun down your local fedex facility, the people who vouched for you face a penalty. Figure a few thousand dollar fine or a few weekends in the clink. Enough to encourage them to keep tabs on you and raise the horn if you start going off the reservation, but not so severe that nobody would ever consider risking vouching for someone else.

Now, at any point during your gun ownership, one of the people vouching for you can go to the cops and say, "hey, i don't really trust this guy anymore\am not friends with him anymore\whatever" the cops then contact the other person, make sure that he is still cool with you having them, and then give you a fixed amount of time to replace that person. If you can't find someone to vouch for you in say, 2 weeks, the cops get to sit on your stash until you do.

If both people decide they no longer want to vouch for you, the cops get to sit on your stash until you find 2 new people, and are cleared by a shrink.
 
2014-04-29 08:47:11 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.


That's because it's Liberals shooting Liberals and everyone knows Liberals are not people.
 
2014-04-29 08:47:12 AM  
I'm just so very glad there was a responsible gun owner there to save the day...
 
2014-04-29 08:47:40 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?

Well, Georgia  did just pass their "guns everywhere" law.


If two guys pulled guns on each other over a parking dispute and wasted a half dozen random people in their shoot out that may be relevant. Is there anything in particular about their laws that make this any more legal?
 
2014-04-29 08:47:45 AM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: amindtat: Georgia? What a surprise...

Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?


I don't know about South-hate, but Georgia-hate is something that many can agree on.  I was born there and I can't stand the place.  Especially driving through.  I don't know why but I absolutely hate driving through Georgia.  It makes me nervous, tired, and generally disagreeable whenever I have to go through there.

I don't get the whole shooting spree thing lately.  I'm not even sure what the point of it is.  It's just sad.  My sympathy goes out to the families affected.
 
2014-04-29 08:47:46 AM  
Someone went postal at FedEx?
 
2014-04-29 08:48:36 AM  

willfullyobscure: NickelP: willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.

What about that highway that got hit by the tornado? Its pretty tough to fault a driver for that

Nope. Responsible drivers listen to the storm warnings and emergency broadcasts and get off the road.


OK I will give you that. What about earth quakes?
 
2014-04-29 08:49:40 AM  

dittybopper: I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.


But don't blame the nut with the gun.  Blame the guy who went to work to feed his family assuming no gun owner would rampage through his workplace shooting everyone he sees.
 
2014-04-29 08:49:44 AM  

rebelyell2006: willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.

Well, this is Georgia, so I am sure there are plenty of instances of multiple-car accidents after someone hits a deer, or a fallen limb from a tree, etc. Or an at-fault pedestrian or bicyclist starts an accident, etc.


Responsible drivers stay alert for hazards and drive defensively.
 
2014-04-29 08:50:02 AM  

BeatrixK: I'm just so very glad there was a responsible gun owner there to save the day...


Responsible gun owners don't carry where it's illegal to carry, and a FedEx facility located at an airport is most likely a gun free zone.
 
2014-04-29 08:50:15 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: dittybopper: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".

/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.


This is the most intelligent comment ever made in a FARK gun thread.
 
2014-04-29 08:50:17 AM  
for the non-locals since i keep seeing it pop up in the thread

-Cobb County is part of Metro Atlanta and is the fourth most populous county in the state. It's home to Six Flags, the site of the future Atlanta Braves stadium, Dobbins AFB and it's where the F-22 is built
-the link is strangely from a Huntsville, AL station
-McCollum Field is a muni. There are no other int'l airports within 150 miles of ATL.
 
2014-04-29 08:50:36 AM  
The anti-gunners will be up early this morning masturbating with glee at the thought of another mass shooting.
 
2014-04-29 08:51:55 AM  

veale728: Someone else is pissed about the Braves too, I see.


The shooter was a Mets/Nationals/Reds fan?  That's a lot of detail to know so early in this incident.
 
2014-04-29 08:52:56 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee

/I have always been in the understanding that anything above 4 or five is considered "mass".  As far as i know, there is no fixed number, but generally, i have seen 4 or 5 to be the line.


To further elaborate on this, two people shot is company, and three shootings is  a crowd.


/If you shoot four or more crows, it's called a 'murder'
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 08:53:05 AM  

ElLoco: The anti-gunners will be up early this morning masturbating with glee at the thought of another mass shooting.


well... at least you didn't say "gun grabbers".   That's worth a 1/10
 
2014-04-29 08:53:07 AM  

NickelP: willfullyobscure: NickelP: willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.

What about that highway that got hit by the tornado? Its pretty tough to fault a driver for that

Nope. Responsible drivers listen to the storm warnings and emergency broadcasts and get off the road.

OK I will give you that. What about earth quakes?


Earthquakes don't cause car accidents. That's a myth propagated by the car grabbers, dude.
 
2014-04-29 08:53:34 AM  
Drove a tractor for them in college (Ground side). All P&D drivers and almost all of linehaul were contractors. Based on how they were treated by FedEx im surprised nothing ever happened.

/was an actual employee
//was treated pretty good during my time there
///stock buying plan helped buy my house.
 
2014-04-29 08:54:03 AM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: amindtat: Georgia? What a surprise...

Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?


I see you don't follow the news.
 
2014-04-29 08:54:20 AM  
Only injuries? You call that a shooting? That shooter is a disgrace to this nation.
 
2014-04-29 08:54:31 AM  
Wat, no kill shots? Fed Ex can't deliver properly. Now if DHL starts dropping bombs it will be a time for concern. As I understand it, if you're crossing the Sahara with a satellite phone and a platinum american express car but dumb enough to have not brought supplies along, you can order a case of agua fina from Amaon and they'll drop ship it  by parachute within 300 feet of your GPS coordinate expediently. Those would be the guys to worry about.
 
2014-04-29 08:54:35 AM  

ElLoco: The anti-gunners will be up early this morning masturbating with glee at the thought of another mass shooting.


and the progunners will be having a wank at a wolverine-style fantasy of how they would have stopped it with the weapon of their choice.  It's a wankapalooza, I tells ya.
 
2014-04-29 08:54:57 AM  
Fed Ex, as always, dead on time.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 08:55:08 AM  

Mugato: Only injuries? You call that a shooting? That shooter is a disgrace to this nation.


NRA training programs could have helped.
 
2014-04-29 08:55:23 AM  

LineNoise: HotWingConspiracy: MBrady: HotWingConspiracy: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

So you advocate for mental health screenings prior to being allowed to own firearms, right?

If it'll keep the wackos from getting a legal gun, sure.

What if they're sane today and crazy tomorrow?

Then again we have laws that are supposed to keep criminals from getting guns, and that works so well, right?

The laws are a joke and intentionally watered down by politicians that must show fealty to gun groups to attain wealth and political power.

Here is my proposal. It lets people have guns, keeps the government from intruding on your personal life, and adds some accountability to the mix.

If you want a gun, you need 2 people to vouch for you, that you are a responsible person, stable, and they believe you are trustworthy enough to have a gun. It could be any 2 people who are not immediate family.

Then you get your gun(s).

However, if you do something irresponsible with them, like lose them, commit a crime, accidently put a bullet through the neighbors house, or gun down your local fedex facility, the people who vouched for you face a penalty. Figure a few thousand dollar fine or a few weekends in the clink. Enough to encourage them to keep tabs on you and raise the horn if you start going off the reservation, but not so severe that nobody would ever consider risking vouching for someone else.

Now, at any point during your gun ownership, one of the people vouching for you can go to the cops and say, "hey, i don't really trust this guy anymore\am not friends with him anymore\whatever" the cops then contact the other person, make sure that he is still cool with you having them, and then give you a fixed amount of time to replace that person. If you can't find someone to vouch for you in say, 2 weeks, the cops get to sit on your stash until you do.

If both people decide they no longer want to vouch for you, the cops get to sit on your stash until you find 2 new people, and are cleared by a shrink.


Your policy is irrationally discriminatory towards hermits! Oh, won't somebody PLEASE think of the hermits?!
 
2014-04-29 08:55:56 AM  

MadMonk: Looks like that "Guns everywhere" law is working out as expected.


You mean the law that goes in to effect July 1st?
 
2014-04-29 08:56:44 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.


I'm sure you can link to a mass shooting in Chicago, right.

Not a bunch of individual shootings.
 
2014-04-29 08:56:55 AM  
On the one hand, I want to make a sarcastic comment about this just being a freedom delivery.

On the other hand, it seems incredibly wrong that something as serious as a mass shooting is such ho-hum, everyday new anymore that a wry joke is all that's really left to say about it.
 
2014-04-29 08:57:10 AM  

Geoff Peterson: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: amindtat: Georgia? What a surprise...

Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?

I see you don't follow the news.


part of Georgia's new guns EVERYWHERE  law?
 
2014-04-29 08:57:48 AM  
Oh, by the way, Fedex is a "Gun-Free" workplace, so for those individuals pointing out that "no good guy with a gun stopped this", by definition a good guy would have obeyed the rules and as such would have been unable to stop the shooter / defend his fellow workers.  Also the "Guns Everywhere" law doesn't go into effect until July 1, 2014, but don't let that deter the derp.
 
2014-04-29 08:58:45 AM  
Zero fatalities, huh?

So about as effective as the usual mass shooting, then.  Seems to pretty much always be 0 or 1 dead after this kind of shiat (the 1 being the gunman himself, more often by his own hand than the cops').

We've had, what, like one or two in the last decade where the shooter actually knew how to shoot things?

Oh... wait, sorry, I mean OH NO MASS SHOOTINGS ARE SUCH A COMMON OCCURRENCE PRESENTING A HIGH RISK OF DEATH TO EVERY AMERICAN CLEARLY THE ONLY SOLUTION TO IMPROVE SECURITY MUST INVOLVE SACRIFICING SIGNIFICANT LIBERTY.

// Not that I'm opposed to many gun control measures, but really, mass shootings are like the one thing that  unarguably doesn't support gun-control arguments on either side in any way.  It'd be like advocating changing how electricity is distributed because of people getting struck by lightning.
 
2014-04-29 08:59:44 AM  
LineNoise:

Here is my proposal. It lets people have guns, keeps the government from intruding on your personal life, and adds some accountability to the mix.

If you want a gun, you need 2 people to vouch for you, that you are a responsible person, stable, and they believe you are trustworthy enough to have a gun. It could be any 2 people who are not immediate family.

Then you get your gun(s).

However, if you do something irresponsible with them, like lose them, commit a crime, accidently put a bullet through the neighbors house, or gun down your local fedex facility, the people who vouched for you face a penalty. Figure a few thousand dollar fine or a few weekends in the clink. Enough to encourage them to keep tabs on you and raise the horn if you start going off the reservation, but not so severe that nobody would ever consider risking vouching for someone else.

Now, at any point during your gun ownership, one of the people vouching for you can go to the cops and say, "hey, i don't really trust this guy anymore\am not friends with him anymore\whatever" the cops then contact the other person, make sure that he is still cool with you having them, and then give you a fixed amount of time to replace that person. If you can't find someone to vouch for you in say, ...


Can you run for office please?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 08:59:51 AM  

someradicaldude: Oh, by the way, Fedex is a "Gun-Free" workplace, so for those individuals pointing out that "no good guy with a gun stopped this", by definition a good guy would have obeyed the rules and as such would have been unable to stop the shooter / defend his fellow workers.  Also the "Guns Everywhere" law doesn't go into effect until July 1, 2014, but don't let that deter the derp.


No good guy with a gun EVER stops the shooting spree.  It wasn't a comment on the "gun free" workplace law.  Get a grip.
 
2014-04-29 09:00:03 AM  
AS AN UPDATE

And the "suspected" shooter has apparently taken out one additional victim, and the only dead one, himself
 
2014-04-29 09:00:21 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.

I'm sure you can link to a mass shooting in Chicago, right.

Not a bunch of individual shootings.


Pretty easily, yes
 
2014-04-29 09:00:29 AM  
See, in all those USPS threads, people keep arguing that private companies like Fedex and UPS can't deliver the same quality of service as the USPS.  Today they're one step closer to proving us wrong.
 
2014-04-29 09:01:06 AM  

d23: [img.fark.net image 297x170]

img.fark.net


Why are there 4 digits on that counter?  You'd think 2 would be plenty.
 
2014-04-29 09:01:16 AM  
8:48 a.m.: The suspect is dead.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 09:01:18 AM  

JohnCarter: AS AN UPDATE

And the "suspected" shooter has apparently taken out one additional victim, and the only dead one, himself


Okay, this libby lib says nothing of value was lost.
 
2014-04-29 09:01:54 AM  

Smidge204: Cymbal: That's woefully inadequate. Everyone should be armed with tactical nuke wristguns w/ silencers and infrared scopes

[www.angryflower.com image 790x418]


Nice comic...show it to Reader's Digest!
 
2014-04-29 09:02:11 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: gnosis301: jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.

Get off that cross you nailed yourself to.

/Well if we could figure out how to get gang members to stop spraying rounds into innocent victims while throwing moranic gang signs we would have that problem licked now wouldn't we? You can't fix stupid, and darwin generally assures us that he will continue to weed out genetically flawed citizens.


Here's what I don't get. A frequent refrain of the supporters of the Second Amendment is the whole "an armed society is a polite society" statement, yet they start on about the shootings in Chicago. What are they shooting with? Bananas? Passion fruit? Pointed sticks? One would assume they were  using firearms. And I think we can also assume that the shootings arent' just one or two shooters. Ergo, many people are armed. I would argue this invalidates that whole argument. Or is that they are more polite as they are shooting? Does it go along the lines of "I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm now need to shoot you." Can someone explain this to me? What about Somalia? Damn near everyone is armed over there. How about Afghanistan? Or Iraq? They had a helluva lot of arms over there. Hell, there was a huge market in the middle of Sadr City where you could get any weapon you desire? Are those areas more polite?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 09:02:46 AM  

Franko: d23: [img.fark.net image 297x170]

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Why are there 4 digits on that counter?  You'd think 2 would be plenty.


Actually 2 might also be considered excessive these days.  You need on and a "1" in the tens place like one of those old basketball scoreboards that had a switch you flick so that it could say "100".
 
2014-04-29 09:02:50 AM  

NickelP: What about earth quakes?


Responsible drivers always travel with a dog who will alert them to impending seismic activity.
 
2014-04-29 09:03:04 AM  

d23: [img.fark.net image 297x170]


It can still be cast to an  int datatype. It's not a problem until it fits in a boolean variable.
 
2014-04-29 09:03:20 AM  

someradicaldude: Oh, by the way, Fedex is a "Gun-Free" workplace, so for those individuals pointing out that "no good guy with a gun stopped this", by definition a good guy would have obeyed the rules and as such would have been unable to stop the shooter / defend his fellow workers.  Also the "Guns Everywhere" law doesn't go into effect until July 1, 2014, but don't let that deter the derp.


This is actually a very good point.
 
2014-04-29 09:03:41 AM  
I have said this before, and though some don't agree i don't care. My opinion is as valid as theirs. Here goes.

The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table. And isn't it a valid right to be able to defend ourselves? Is there a more natural law that applies to us more? If a guy comes up and slugs you, you are going to use your fists and give him what he just gave you. You're not going to stand there and let him punch you over and over. Why should someone with a gun be any different? In fact, it should be MORE applicable because this person could kill you, not just give you a black eye. The right to defend ourselves is not only a law, its a natural mental stand that one takes in the face of danger.

Hate all you want, but the guns are out there, bought legally or not. The choice to have the ability to defend yourself is totally up to you. If you choose to not have a gun, i totally respect your choice, if you choose to have the ability to defend your life, or other lives, i respect that as well.
 
2014-04-29 09:04:13 AM  

RobotSpider: Hey, we're even privatizing our postal-shootings!

U-S-A  U-S-A!


That's free market capitalism, baby!
 
2014-04-29 09:05:12 AM  
Hopefully the victims were Next-Day Airlifted to a competent trauma center...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 09:05:22 AM  

fireclown: someradicaldude: Oh, by the way, Fedex is a "Gun-Free" workplace, so for those individuals pointing out that "no good guy with a gun stopped this", by definition a good guy would have obeyed the rules and as such would have been unable to stop the shooter / defend his fellow workers.  Also the "Guns Everywhere" law doesn't go into effect until July 1, 2014, but don't let that deter the derp.

This is actually a very good point.


And it is also a good point that no one can point to a single instance where a "good guy" pulled a gun and stopped a mass shooting.
 
2014-04-29 09:05:44 AM  

LineNoise: Here is my proposal. It lets people have guns, keeps the government from intruding on your personal life, and adds some accountability to the mix.

If you want a gun, you need 2 people to vouch for you, that you are a responsible person, stable, and they believe you are trustworthy enough to have a gun. It could be any 2 people who are not immediate family.

Then you get your gun(s).

However, if you do something irresponsible with them, like lose them, commit a crime, accidently put a bullet through the neighbors house, or gun down your local fedex facility, the people who vouched for you face a penalty. Figure a few thousand dollar fine or a few weekends in the clink. Enough to encourage them to keep tabs on you and raise the horn if you start going off the reservation, but not so severe that nobody would ever consider risking vouching for someone else.

Now, at any point during your gun ownership, one of the people vouching for you can go to the cops and say, "hey, i don't really trust this guy anymore\am not friends with him anymore\whatever" the cops then contact the other person, make sure that he is still cool with you having them, and then give you a fixed amount of time to replace that person. If you can't find someone to vouch for you in say, 2 weeks, the cops get to sit on your stash until you do.

If both people decide they no longer want to vouch for you, the cops get to sit on your stash until you find 2 new people, and are cleared by a shrink.


I knew there was a reason why I had you farkied as "Subscribe to newsletter".
Your plan might unfairly discriminate against antisocial loners, though.  Maybe that's by design, but not sure if constitutional.
 
2014-04-29 09:05:54 AM  
A great way for gun owners to test their own sanity would be to ask themselves if they would give up all their guns if it meant they could prevent someone from being murdered. I have a feeling many of them would not give them up.

And that is why trying to reason with most of them is futile.
 
2014-04-29 09:07:14 AM  

rebelyell2006: willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.


Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.

Well, this is Georgia, so I am sure there are plenty of instances of multiple-car accidents after someone hits a deer, or a fallen limb from a tree, etc. Or an at-fault pedestrian or bicyclist starts an accident, etc.

 In the entire state of Ohio in 1895, there were only two cars on the road, and the drivers of these two cars crashed into each other.  There was no mention of drugs or alcohol and there were no licenses or insurance available at the time
 
2014-04-29 09:07:36 AM  

d23: fireclown: someradicaldude: Oh, by the way, Fedex is a "Gun-Free" workplace, so for those individuals pointing out that "no good guy with a gun stopped this", by definition a good guy would have obeyed the rules and as such would have been unable to stop the shooter / defend his fellow workers.  Also the "Guns Everywhere" law doesn't go into effect until July 1, 2014, but don't let that deter the derp.

This is actually a very good point.

And it is also a good point that no one can point to a single instance where a "good guy" pulled a gun and stopped a mass shooting.


I'm not a gun fondler by nature, but isn't the Pearl County school shooting the go-to example of that?  IIRC the principal produced a pistol, killed the shooter and saved several lives.  I'm sure someone has the whole story.

/Ima back away now.
 
2014-04-29 09:07:36 AM  

Cpl.D: farking hell.  There's no end in sight, and I'm way sick of this shiat.

You are absolutely correct - there is no end in sight because there will be no end to this because there is always money in this.
From the Brady Campaign-

Every day, 282 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, accidents, and police intervention.
Every day, 86 people die from gun violence: 32 are murdered; 51 kill themselves; 2 die accidentally; 1, intent unknown.
Every day, 196 are shot and survive: 140 shot in an assault; 10 survive a suicide attempt; 43 are shot accidentally, 2 are shot in a police intervention.
 More uplifting info available at
http://www.bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/GunDeathandInjury Stat Sheet3YearAverageFINAL.pdf

The US is the largest arms dealer in the world, (http://tinyurl.com/nbs8no3 )why would they not sell their wares at home?

If you thought we would get sick of the murder of children and the elderly you were mistaken.  Between the lobbyists, bought and paid for politicians and the bought and paid for media, there is no free air left for sanity.

www.gannett-cdn.com
 
2014-04-29 09:07:56 AM  
i59.tinypic.com
/oblig
 
2014-04-29 09:07:57 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: I have said this before, and though some don't agree i don't care. My opinion is as valid as theirs. Here goes.

The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table. And isn't it a valid right to be able to defend ourselves? Is there a more natural law that applies to us more? If a guy comes up and slugs you, you are going to use your fists and give him what he just gave you. You're not going to stand there and let him punch you over and over. Why should someone with a gun be any different? In fact, it should be MORE applicable because this person could kill you, not just give you a black eye. The right to defend ourselves is not only a law, its a natural mental stand that one takes in the face of danger.

Hate all you want, but the guns are out there, bought legally or not. The choice to have the ability to defend yourself is totally up to you. If you choose to not have a gun, i totally respect your choice, if you choose to have the ability to defend your life, or other lives, i respect that as well.


^^^^^^^^
THIS
 
2014-04-29 09:08:18 AM  
As usual:
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2014-04-29 09:10:15 AM  

Carn: [i59.tinypic.com image 720x672]
/oblig


Bastard, beat me by a hair
 
2014-04-29 09:10:39 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: I have said this before, and though some don't agree i don't care. My opinion is as valid as theirs. Here goes.

The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table. And isn't it a valid right to be able to defend ourselves? Is there a more natural law that applies to us more? If a guy comes up and slugs you, you are going to use your fists and give him what he just gave you. You're not going to stand there and let him punch you over and over. Why should someone with a gun be any different? In fact, it should be MORE applicable because this person could kill you, not just give you a black eye. The right to defend ourselves is not only a law, its a natural mental stand that one takes in the face of danger.

Hate all you want, but the guns are out there, bought legally or not. The choice to have the ability to defend yourself is totally up to you. If you choose to not have a gun, i totally respect your choice, if you choose to have the ability to defend your life, or other lives, i respect that as well.


Gun buyback programs invalidate your entire post. You have anything else to share with the class?
 
hej [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 09:11:22 AM  
Man, nothing gets the Fark crowd wet like a lunatic with a gun.
 
2014-04-29 09:11:50 AM  

someradicaldude: This is simply what they call "Tuesday" in Chicago, whereas it is a very rare occurrence in Georgia.

/Know the airport (McCollum Field) and Fedex Building well, drive past them all the time.


Are you kidding me?  They just arrested 5 gang members in Kennesaw for a shooting out there.  Every time I turn on the news there's somebody getting blasted in Cobb County.

That's why I never leave the perimeter.  Not only will you get shot if you go there, the likelihood of being shot in an Applebee's is significantly higher than in the city.  Imagine the horror.  Your friends and family knowing that you go to Applebee's.
 
2014-04-29 09:13:05 AM  

serial_crusher: Your plan might unfairly discriminate against antisocial loners, though.  Maybe that's by design, but not sure if constitutional.


I think we can all agree that anti-social loaners aren't the type of people who should have guns. I mean if you can't find 2 god damn people to say that they trust you not to go all Rambo at any moment, everyone is probably best served by you being unarmed.
 
2014-04-29 09:13:27 AM  

d23: fireclown: someradicaldude: Oh, by the way, Fedex is a "Gun-Free" workplace, so for those individuals pointing out that "no good guy with a gun stopped this", by definition a good guy would have obeyed the rules and as such would have been unable to stop the shooter / defend his fellow workers.  Also the "Guns Everywhere" law doesn't go into effect until July 1, 2014, but don't let that deter the derp.

This is actually a very good point.

And it is also a good point that no one can point to a single instance where a "good guy" pulled a gun and stopped a mass shooting.


Try Again  and here is the Georgia Page or if you like, just go to the main page and find more, much more.

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2014-04-29 09:14:03 AM  

Muta: Since someone always says, "Doesn't Chicago/DC/Maryland have some of thestrictest gun laws in the country" when there is a shooting in Chicago, DC or Maryland, I guess it isrelevant to ask...

Doesn't Georgia have some of the most permissive gun laws in the country?



I think you just proved the point that gun laws, restrictive or not, are ineffective in preventing this kind of thing. That is the whole argument from pro-second amendment folks. Laws only impact those willing to follow them. I'd argue that people who commit mass shootings aren't thinking about gun laws when they act.
 
2014-04-29 09:14:05 AM  

KingKauff: upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee

Duh, mass shootings occur during church.


But only if you're Catholic.
 
2014-04-29 09:14:52 AM  

Into the blue again: Carn: [i59.tinypic.com image 720x672]
/oblig

Bastard, beat me by a hair


:D
 
2014-04-29 09:16:16 AM  

lenfromak: Another gun-free zone at work.


I was looking for this comment. I agree if we eliminate gun-free zones, there would be no more shootings.
 
2014-04-29 09:16:26 AM  
HotWingConspiracy:   Some guy walked in and shot up a police station a few months back.

It happens. In fact, it just happened again.  The good news is the only fatality was the criminal.
 
2014-04-29 09:16:52 AM  

KingKauff: Babwa Wawa: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?

It's not necessarily "South-hate".  This type of thing might not surprise people given Georgia's recent activity on gun control (or lack thereof).

When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church _s hooting

Too late.
 
2014-04-29 09:17:31 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.


I could swear the last time I heard the words "Cobb county" it was in reference to a mass shooting...

Well, maybe not, fark search only shows references to the "Future Atlanta Braves stadium" that is throwing public money at nonsense.
 
2014-04-29 09:17:44 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: MadMonk: Looks like that "Guns everywhere" law is working out as expected.

You mean the law that goes in to effect July 1st?


What have I told you about facts?
 
2014-04-29 09:21:49 AM  
probably another mental case who got a gun w/o a background check.
 
2014-04-29 09:21:50 AM  

DarkVader: KingKauff: Babwa Wawa: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?

It's not necessarily "South-hate".  This type of thing might not surprise people given Georgia's recent activity on gun control (or lack thereof).

When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church _s hooting

Too late.


A couple days ago in Rome, some guy shot four people in a bar.

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/rome/police-release-second-state me nt-about-chevy-club-shooting/article_804577d8-cd3c-11e3-92c1-0017a43b2 370.html

Personally, I'm for guns everywhere.  I think bars should have a community gun pile at the door and you can just grab a piece to hold why you enjoy your beverage.  I seriously want everyone draped in guns at all times so when people keep getting shot I can stop hearing about how more guns is always the answer.

People are getting shot all the time anyway, so it's not like it makes a difference one way or the other.  It's a level of violence we've just accepted.
 
MFK
2014-04-29 09:23:30 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: dittybopper: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".

/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.


yeah... like military bases.

Look dude, no matter how much you want it, we're not going to arm this society to the teeth just because you people have these weird gun fantasies.
 
2014-04-29 09:24:04 AM  
With the amount of deflection in this thread, you could protect the Enterprise.
 
2014-04-29 09:24:34 AM  
At least he had the courtesy to wait until after the NRA convention. Maybe his bullets were just his way of baptizing co-workers?
 
2014-04-29 09:24:51 AM  

someradicaldude: This is simply what they call "Tuesday" in Chicago, whereas it is a very rare occurrence in Georgia.

/Know the airport (McCollum Field) and Fedex Building well, drive past them all the time.


"Rare" because there is no crime in Georgia, no where, ever.

Oh wait.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/atlanta/crime/

Violent Crime

National median: 3.9
Atlanta: 14.23
Chances of being a violent crime victim in Atlanta: 1 in 70.

If you're gonna rage at the godless, liberal cities you need to stop ignoring sh*t in your own backyard.
 
2014-04-29 09:25:26 AM  
Wow, stay classy Fark.
 
2014-04-29 09:26:06 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.


Living a life in fear that I'll get shot is not freedom.  Since it is clear that government is unable to protect us from gun owners, I think it falls on the gun owning community.  The gun owning community are the ones who created the problem by making it easy for every wacko can buy a gun so they can be the ones to step up and solve it.  What should they do to solve the problem?  I don't know, it isn't my problem.  Responsible gun owners are the ones who need to step up and fix the problem they created. What's their solutions?  ... crickets ...
 
2014-04-29 09:27:10 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: I have said this before, and though some don't agree i don't care. My opinion is as valid as theirs. Here goes.

The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table. And isn't it a valid right to be able to defend ourselves? Is there a more natural law that applies to us more? If a guy comes up and slugs you, you are going to use your fists and give him what he just gave you. You're not going to stand there and let him punch you over and over. Why should someone with a gun be any different? In fact, it should be MORE applicable because this person could kill you, not just give you a black eye. The right to defend ourselves is not only a law, its a natural mental stand that one takes in the face of danger.

Hate all you want, but the guns are out there, bought legally or not. The choice to have the ability to defend yourself is totally up to you. If you choose to not have a gun, i totally respect your choice, if you choose to have the ability to defend your life, or other lives, i respect that as well.


So do you choose to defend your life, or your spawn's life by choosing a method which explicitly damages or ends life, innocent or guilty? Do you believe only your lives are of any value, not anyone else's?  Just asking, I don't have any problem with crazy straight people shooting each other and lowering the population count.

//cause life, liberty, pursuit of 30 pieces of silver etc., etc.,
 
2014-04-29 09:27:49 AM  

Cymbal: Bit'O'Gristle: I have said this before, and though some don't agree i don't care. My opinion is as valid as theirs. Here goes.

The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table. And isn't it a valid right to be able to defend ourselves? Is there a more natural law that applies to us more? If a guy comes up and slugs you, you are going to use your fists and give him what he just gave you. You're not going to stand there and let him punch you over and over. Why should someone with a gun be any different? In fact, it should be MORE applicable because this person could kill you, not just give you a black eye. The right to defend ourselves is not only a law, its a natural mental stand that one takes in the face of danger.

Hate all you want, but the guns are out there, bought legally or not. The choice to have the ability to defend yourself is totally up to you. If you choose to not have a gun, i totally respect your choice, if you choose to have the ability to defend your life, or other lives, i respect that as well.

Gun buyback programs invalidate your entire post. You have anything else to share with the class?


Gun buybacks are a great way for the savvy gun enthusiast to make some serious money.
 
2014-04-29 09:28:30 AM  
Suspect dead, self inflicted gunshot wound.  Why didn't he do that FIRST?  Christ, what an asshole.  That should be what gets written on his tombstone.
 
2014-04-29 09:29:42 AM  

Muta: Bit'O'Gristle: The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

Living a life in fear that I'll get shot is not freedom.  Since it is clear that government is unable to protect us from gun owners, I think it falls on the gun owning community.  The gun owning community are the ones who created the problem by making it easy for every wacko can buy a gun so they can be the ones to step up and solve it.  What should they do to solve the problem?  I don't know, it isn't my problem.  Responsible gun owners are the ones who need to step up and fix the problem they created. What's their solutions?  ... crickets ...


Don't mind him. He had to stop posting so he could clean up where he piddled himself.
 
2014-04-29 09:29:54 AM  

upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder

Seems to be four.
 
2014-04-29 09:30:23 AM  
Fark, this shiat again?!?
 
2014-04-29 09:31:05 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse.


Are you deranged?  So you think it's ok to drop a loaded gun into a purse?  Do you think she'll be able to either find it when she needs it or if she does find it take the time to get all the grim and shiat out of the barrel before firing it or accidentally discharges it?  Guns should not be thrown around willy nilly.
 
2014-04-29 09:31:39 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: It's my bet they will find the gunman either at the business with a round in his head, or at home with the same. These cowards generally kill themselves after murdering their families or co-workers. Sad sad day indeed.


You are correct, Sir.
 
2014-04-29 09:32:18 AM  

Le Bomb Suprize: Look, it's really quite simple.  Just get rid of all the gun laws and restrictions.  Good, law abiding citizens will never use their guns to commit an act of violence except in extreme cases of self defense, and criminals or the mentally unstable will not obey the laws in the first place.

The fact that many criminals or mentally unstable people APPEAR to be good, law abiding citizens until the moment they use guns to commit violence is a non starter, since clearly they are NOT good, law abiding citizens.  See?


T H I S
 
2014-04-29 09:35:14 AM  

TNel: Bit'O'Gristle: My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse.

Are you deranged?  So you think it's ok to drop a loaded gun into a purse?  Do you think she'll be able to either find it when she needs it or if she does find it take the time to get all the grim and shiat out of the barrel before firing it or accidentally discharges it?  Guns should not be thrown around willy nilly.


I am just surprised there is a college that allows guns. None here do on campus. Everyone in the dorms use to keep their guns in their cars, which isn't the best way to keep them secure
 
2014-04-29 09:36:13 AM  

mudpants: rebelyell2006: willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.

Well, this is Georgia, so I am sure there are plenty of instances of multiple-car accidents after someone hits a deer, or a fallen limb from a tree, etc. Or an at-fault pedestrian or bicyclist starts an accident, etc.

 In the entire state of Ohio in 1895, there were only two cars on the road, and the drivers of these two cars crashed into each other.  There was no mention of drugs or alcohol and there were no licenses or insurance available at the time


Clearly a case of negligent discarge on one or both party's side. I've been driving since I was 9 and I've never had a negligent discarge and neither has anyone I know, so i think that's probably a fluke.
 
2014-04-29 09:37:22 AM  

willfullyobscure: NickelP: willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.

What about that highway that got hit by the tornado? Its pretty tough to fault a driver for that

Nope. Responsible drivers listen to the storm warnings and emergency broadcasts and get off the road.


Related story. In Little Rock for training. (Army training, sir!). Two of our soldiers where out on the road when the tornado sirens started sounding. They are just driving along going "What is that noise?" and "Why did traffic get so light all of a sudden? There is no one else on the room" And then one rolls down the window and starts filming the sky "Wow, look how fast those clouds are going."

When they rolled onto base, security didn't even check IDs. He just yelled "Get to shelter!"
 
2014-04-29 09:39:15 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: MadMonk: Looks like that "Guns everywhere" law is working out as expected.

You mean the law that goes in to effect July 1st?


I think he might be referring to the old law in Kennesaw mandating homeowners to own firearms.
 
2014-04-29 09:39:20 AM  
Dear Gun Fetishists,

Either grow up and start supporting and voting for strict gun control laws, or you will completely lose your precious Second Amendment some time in the next 30 years.

Sincerely,
Everyone else
 
2014-04-29 09:39:36 AM  
d23:

No good guy with a gun EVER stops the shooting spree.  It wasn't a comment on the "gun free" workplace law.  Get a grip.

Sorry, but you are incorrect: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-tha t -were-stopped-by-someone-wit

I know it's buzzfeed but with all the anti-gun derp you've been spouting throughout the thread, it probably won't matter.  All are verifiable.
 
2014-04-29 09:39:37 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: .

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table.



What was it? I like a nice .380 PPK for a walk around firearm, it's a fantastic size, anyone can shoot one; and it is was good enough for James Bond, it's good enough for me
 
2014-04-29 09:40:06 AM  
6 injured, no deaths, shooter's dead.

Meh.
 
2014-04-29 09:40:21 AM  
Do we know yet what kind of AK-47 was used?
 
2014-04-29 09:40:37 AM  

MFK: Bit'O'Gristle: dittybopper: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".

/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.

yeah... like military bases.

Look dude, no matter how much you want it, we're not going to arm this society to the teeth just because you people have these weird gun fantasies.


No.  Not like military bases.
 
2014-04-29 09:41:13 AM  

HeartBurnKid: exatron: Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.

The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.

Yes, but it's on the internet, where people from around the world will read it.  It only takes four additional keystrokes (", GA") to solve that problem completely, which seems well worth the effort to me.

/I only know where Cobb County is thanks to the WWF


I get the same feeling every time I see someone display a phone number without an area code.

teamshocker.com
 
2014-04-29 09:41:49 AM  

willfullyobscure: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

Show me ONE car accident where both drivers were sober, legally licensed, insured and didn't make any mistakes or take any risks.


I was about to say your logic fails as there's no such thing as a mass accidental shooting but now that I think about it I have heard of a couple but mostly at third world weddings.
 
2014-04-29 09:41:54 AM  
Over or under: Domestic Violence or Workplace Rage?

Given the limited info, I'm going with the former.
 
2014-04-29 09:42:07 AM  

Muta: Bit'O'Gristle: The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

Living a life in fear that I'll get shot is not freedom.


Off course it is. Didn't you read your constitution? Its all there.
 
2014-04-29 09:42:36 AM  

pueblonative: upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder

Seems to be four.


I believe that's the FBI's criteria as well.  Also, in looking through Wiki's list of rampage killers, workplace killers and school killers, the overwhelming majority of them either take their own lives or are shot dead by police.  This holds true in similar massacres overseas as well, so it's not the slightest bit surprising that this asshole offed himself at the end.
 
2014-04-29 09:43:13 AM  
The occasional horrific civilian massacre is just the price of FREEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOMMMM!!!
 
2014-04-29 09:43:15 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: My opinion is as valid as theirs.


Your entire argument is predicated on the notion that gun ownership implies increased safety while studies on gun ownership from UC Davis, NIH, the American Journal of Public Health, Oxford, the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics have all found correlation between gun ownership within a household unit and statistically relevant increases in the risk of being the victim of homicide, suicide and accidental shooting.

I don't think your opinion is more valid than theirs at all. Opinions can be wrong when they're formed in relation to objective and measurable things, as is the case here.

Your opinion, then, seems to be, simply, invalid. If you still want her to carry a gun, fine, but "safety" would not appear to be a valid reason for holding that opinion, making it invalid.
 
2014-04-29 09:43:42 AM  

Psylence: Cymbal: Bit'O'Gristle: I have said this before, and though some don't agree i don't care. My opinion is as valid as theirs. Here goes.

<snip>

Gun buyback programs invalidate your entire post. You have anything else to share with the class?

Gun buybacks are a great way for the ...


I wish the "authorities" would have a gun buyback in my area.  I have a bunch of old junk I have picked up at auctions over the years (hey, sometimes you find a gem) that I wouldn't mind selling off.  Might even allow me to finance that SBR I've been looking at.
 
2014-04-29 09:44:40 AM  

Marcintosh: You are absolutely correct - there is no end in sight because there will be no end to this because there is always money in this.

people have been murdering each other since we learned how to pick up sticks.

FTFY
 
2014-04-29 09:45:32 AM  

Magnus: No. Not like military bases.


Military bases would be "soft targets" once you get inside the gates.  A small percentage of people carry weapons on base.
 
2014-04-29 09:46:26 AM  
Does anyone ever notice these threads contain the exact same posts every time? Just (some of) the names are different.

Probably just me. Or maybe someone posts this same thing in every gun thread, too.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-29 09:47:48 AM  

Cold_Sassy: d23:

No good guy with a gun EVER stops the shooting spree.  It wasn't a comment on the "gun free" workplace law.  Get a grip.

Sorry, but you are incorrect: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-tha t -were-stopped-by-someone-wit

I know it's buzzfeed but with all the anti-gun derp you've been spouting throughout the thread, it probably won't matter.  All are verifiable.


I have been corrected about this point multiple times.  And I stand corrected.  I didn't personally know of any situation where that happened and it has nothing to do with Mother Jones.

And I don't spout "anti-gun derp."  I point out people that are spouting pro-gun derp.  I think there is middle ground between "gun grabbing" and Mad Max society, unlike many black/white thinkers.
 
2014-04-29 09:47:57 AM  

Loaf's Tray: Hopefully the victims were Next-Day Airlifted to a competent trauma center...


Well, same day delivery costs 3x more...
 
2014-04-29 09:48:47 AM  

Kit Fister: 6 injured, no deaths, shooter's dead.

Meh.


Therefore guns are harmless and nothing could have been done or should have been done to keep the shooter from having one. And I'm sure the injuries were just bruises, maybe just a scratch or a broken fingernail, nothing permanent or disabling. And there definitely won't be any long-term trauma for any of those involved, or their families, or the community. I'd say "meh" just about sums it up, another day in gun-land.
 
2014-04-29 09:48:51 AM  

skozlaw: Bit'O'Gristle: My opinion is as valid as theirs.

Your entire argument is predicated on the notion that gun ownership implies increased safety while studies on gun ownership from UC Davis, NIH, the American Journal of Public Health, Oxford, the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics have all found correlation between gun ownership within a household unit and statistically relevant increases in the risk of being the victim of homicide, suicide and accidental shooting.

I don't think your opinion is more valid than theirs at all. Opinions can be wrong when they're formed in relation to objective and measurable things, as is the case here.

Your opinion, then, seems to be, simply, invalid. If you still want her to carry a gun, fine, but "safety" would not appear to be a valid reason for holding that opinion, making it invalid.


And most of those studies have been found to be flawed.

Now, let's talk about mandatory safe storage, universal background checks, safety training, and improved mental healthcare for this country?
 
2014-04-29 09:50:43 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Marcintosh: You are absolutely correct - there is no end in sight because there will be no end to this because there is always money in this. people have been murdering each other since we learned how to pick up sticks.

FTFY


Which is why we should go back to sticks, or stones, or name calling. You might get a pretty bad contusion or some broken bones, but your probability of surviving a stick attack are far greater than one from a gun.
 
2014-04-29 09:51:25 AM  

ariseatex: KingKauff: upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee

Duh, mass shootings occur during church.

CSB: I used to be a Catholic Church musician (before I came out); our church had just got a new organ and we were playing with the features to see what all we had. We hit one setting that wasn't labeled and started getting automatic rifle fire sounds on different notes.

We decided to save that one for the next time Monsignor did a 30-minute homily.

/end CSB


What does coming out have to do with playing church music?
 
2014-04-29 09:51:36 AM  

js34603: Does anyone ever notice these threads contain the exact same posts every time? Just (some of) the names are different.

Probably just me. Or maybe someone posts this same thing in every gun thread, too.


sbala.org
 
2014-04-29 09:51:36 AM  

TNel: So you think it's ok to drop a loaded gun into a purse?


You know, they make purses specifically for that purpose right?
 
2014-04-29 09:52:38 AM  

AspectRatio: Therefore guns are harmless and nothing could have been done or should have been done to keep the shooter from having one. And I'm sure the injuries were just bruises, maybe just a scratch or a broken fingernail, nothing permanent or disabling. And there definitely won't be any long-term trauma for any of those involved, or their families, or the community. I'd say "meh" just about sums it up, another day in gun-land.


We've had these arguments. We've re-had these arguments. No matter how much pro-gun people scream from the rooftops that we want to help and propose serious alternatives, it gets drowned out by lobbying, and by people like you who don't ever think it's enough.

So, yeah, Meh. I'm tired of having these arguments, and while i'm sorry for the victims, I'm also resigned to the fact that my options are to fight tooth and nail to maintain what we have because no laws will ever come about that listens to our side, or give in and kiss our 2A rights good bye.

People die, and people kill each other. They have been doing that since the dawn of time. I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that it happens, because the tools change, the evil stays the same, and as of yet no one has found a way to stop making people want to kill each other.
 
2014-04-29 09:53:24 AM  

TNel: Bit'O'Gristle: My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse.

Are you deranged?  So you think it's ok to drop a loaded gun into a purse?  Do you think she'll be able to either find it when she needs it or if she does find it take the time to get all the grim and shiat out of the barrel before firing it or accidentally discharges it?  Guns should not be thrown around willy nilly.


You are not aware that there are purses are made with built-in holsters for accident prevention/easy access.

/The more you know.jpg
 
2014-04-29 09:53:27 AM  

Cymbal: Which is why we should go back to sticks, or stones, or name calling. You might get a pretty bad contusion or some broken bones, but your probability of surviving a stick attack are far greater than one from a gun.


Sweet! We can go back to carrying swords! Now people won't make fun of me for carrying around a sword!
 
2014-04-29 09:53:43 AM  

cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com


RIP COBB

 
2014-04-29 09:54:53 AM  

MFK: Bit'O'Gristle:
/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.

yeah... like military bases.

Look dude, no matter how much you want it, we're not going to arm this society to the teeth just because you people have these weird gun fantasies.


Military bases are actually gun free zones- they have been for a good 20 years or so. That makes them 'soft targets.' If the president cared about our troops, he'd rescind that little directive.
 
2014-04-29 09:56:24 AM  

js34603: Does anyone ever notice these threads contain the exact same posts every time? Just (some of) the names are different.

Probably just me. Or maybe someone posts this same thing in every gun thread, too.


See, in these threads, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.
 
2014-04-29 09:57:37 AM  

dfenstrate: .

Military bases are actually gun free zones- they have been for a good 20 years or so. That makes them 'soft targets.' If the president cared about our troops, he'd rescind that little directive.


Actually, it's been illegal to carry a weapon on base except under direct order since before WW2.
 
2014-04-29 09:57:40 AM  

Kit Fister: AspectRatio: Therefore guns are harmless and nothing could have been done or should have been done to keep the shooter from having one. And I'm sure the injuries were just bruises, maybe just a scratch or a broken fingernail, nothing permanent or disabling. And there definitely won't be any long-term trauma for any of those involved, or their families, or the community. I'd say "meh" just about sums it up, another day in gun-land.

We've had these arguments. We've re-had these arguments. No matter how much pro-gun people scream from the rooftops that we want to help and propose serious alternatives, it gets drowned out by lobbying, and by people like you who don't ever think it's enough.

So, yeah, Meh. I'm tired of having these arguments, and while i'm sorry for the victims, I'm also resigned to the fact that my options are to fight tooth and nail to maintain what we have because no laws will ever come about that listens to our side, or give in and kiss our 2A rights good bye.

People die, and people kill each other. They have been doing that since the dawn of time. I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that it happens, because the tools change, the evil stays the same, and as of yet no one has found a way to stop making people want to kill each other.


As far as I've been able to tell, the only "serious alternative" proposed by the pro-gun lobby is "MOAR GUNS EVERYWHERE".
 
2014-04-29 09:59:04 AM  

AspectRatio: As far as I've been able to tell, the only "serious alternative" proposed by the pro-gun lobby is "MOAR GUNS EVERYWHERE".


Except the Second Amendment Foundation who supported universal background checks until it was pointed out that the bill contained some very bad language, but keep on with your bad self.
 
2014-04-29 10:01:34 AM  

upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee


As a former student of "new math", avid news fan and adult, my understanding is this:

1 - For the press, a "mass shooting" is a term used when the number of casualties is still not clear but it is clearly more than two, not including the gun man, who will remain singular (as in "6 reported killed, not including the shooter").  The number of shots fired is of no interest in defining a mass shooting and will be used only by the police and, later, during gun-related discussions ("was it necessary to fire 100 rounds to stop one person?"). The number of people killed does not define a "mass shooting" - that would include both killed and wounded.  IN SUM: "Mass shooting" is a situational reference for "lots of gunfire with more than two people hurt/killed.....stay tuned"

2 - "A couple" vs "A few" - while generally understood that the former means "two" and the latter "something less than ten" you should consider context:  "Yes, she has a couple of kids" vs "Officer? I had a couple of beers"  and  "John? The boss would like a few minutes" vs "I need a few things from the store, dear"

3 - A "mass" is less than "a couple" or "a few" in that it is one mass - made up of several things - ie, a cancerous mass, a mass protest, a mass shooting. So, for news media, the math is - one mass shooting (early report), "a couple" of persons of interest" and "a few" remain in the hospital.

Clearly, a question suited for Common Core Math standards.

What it could do for the understanding of "some" - and not that frustratingly concise "sum"
 
2014-04-29 10:02:13 AM  

Click Click D'oh: You know, they make purses specifically for that purpose right?


Cold_Sassy: You are not aware that there are purses are made with built-in holsters for accident prevention/easy access.

/The more you know.jpg


Yet he only bought her a gun and not a gun and "gun purse".  How many girls buy gun purses just in case their father/husband may someday buy them a gun?

I'm willing to heavily favor that she dropped it into a regular purse.

http://glendora.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/handgun-in-womans -p urse-accidentally-discharges-in-glendora-store
http://ohhshoot.blogspot.com/2013/06/gun-in-purse-discharges-shootin g- 7-year.html
http://www.concealednation.org/2014/01/rep-leslie-combs-accidentally -d ischarges-firearm-in-office-says-im-a-gun-owner-it-happens/

There's plenty of other examples.
 
2014-04-29 10:06:24 AM  
AspectRatio

Either grow up and start supporting and voting for strict gun control laws, or you will completely lose your precious Second Amendment some time in the next 30 years.

Incredibly unlikely. I'd put the odds just above "we'll all be using robotic surrogates like that Bruce Willis movie" and just below "Jesus comes to earth to fist-fight zombie Hitler."
 
2014-04-29 10:07:37 AM  

d23: I think there is middle ground between "gun grabbing" and Mad Max society, unlike many black/white thinkers.


Are we in some type of Mad Max society? Last I looked crime had dropped.
 
2014-04-29 10:07:43 AM  

AspectRatio: Kit Fister: 6 injured, no deaths, shooter's dead.

Meh.

Therefore guns are harmless and nothing could have been done or should have been done to keep the shooter from having one. And I'm sure the injuries were just bruises, maybe just a scratch or a broken fingernail, nothing permanent or disabling. And there definitely won't be any long-term trauma for any of those involved, or their families, or the community. I'd say "meh" just about sums it up, another day in gun-land.


Point out who the next shooters are going to be, and we'll grab pitch forks and fuzzy boas to go stop them all.  And I mean every last one of them.
 
2014-04-29 10:08:33 AM  

dfenstrate: MFK: Bit'O'Gristle:
/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.

yeah... like military bases.

Look dude, no matter how much you want it, we're not going to arm this society to the teeth just because you people have these weird gun fantasies.

Military bases are actually gun free zones- they have been for a good 20 years or so. That makes them 'soft targets.' If the president cared about our troops, he'd rescind that little directive.


Just to make this clear, you're for more armed government employees on US soil.
 
2014-04-29 10:11:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: MBrady: tommyl66: Another responsible gun owner in the land of the free and the home of the Braves...

show me ONE gun shooting where the shooter was a legal gun owner who was level headed, sane, and was legally able to own them.

So you advocate for mental health screenings prior to being allowed to own firearms, right?


Only if it also goes for driving licenses, voting, being parents, and being politicians.  Then I have no issues.  But since almost everyone has some type of mental issue, at what level do you start to restrict?
 
2014-04-29 10:12:41 AM  

selena gomez has an anus: Well, maybe THIS one will be the incident that gets us closer to doing the right thing and making the ownership and possession of any firearm illegal.


It won't. Nothing will. You lose.
 
2014-04-29 10:13:08 AM  
pueblonative

Just to make this clear, you're for more armed government employees on US soil.
Do you get dizzy spinning that much?
 
2014-04-29 10:14:00 AM  
My home town, where a law is still on the books that you have to own a gun. The legislature must have declared Monday as take a gun to work day.
 
2014-04-29 10:14:06 AM  

Magnus: AspectRatio: Kit Fister: 6 injured, no deaths, shooter's dead.

Meh.

Therefore guns are harmless and nothing could have been done or should have been done to keep the shooter from having one. And I'm sure the injuries were just bruises, maybe just a scratch or a broken fingernail, nothing permanent or disabling. And there definitely won't be any long-term trauma for any of those involved, or their families, or the community. I'd say "meh" just about sums it up, another day in gun-land.

Point out who the next shooters are going to be, and we'll grab pitch forks and fuzzy boas to go stop them all.  And I mean every last one of them.


Also those who will kill via DUI, religious zealots, texting while driving, etc...

Or you could just say "Hail Hydra"..
 
2014-04-29 10:15:06 AM  
Tuesday.  I'll wake up later.
 
2014-04-29 10:15:09 AM  

pueblonative: dfenstrate: MFK: Bit'O'Gristle:
/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.

yeah... like military bases.

Look dude, no matter how much you want it, we're not going to arm this society to the teeth just because you people have these weird gun fantasies.

Military bases are actually gun free zones- they have been for a good 20 years or so. That makes them 'soft targets.' If the president cared about our troops, he'd rescind that little directive.

Just to make this clear, you're for more armed government employees on US soil.


Well, personally I trust the military a bit more than all the three letter agencies who've decided they need swat teams outfitted like they're in the military. In addition, if the military was actually going to be a problem to the citizenry, they'd be under orders to have their weapons, making your cute little point irrelevant.

Past that, I'd love to hear your ideas on improving base security.
 
2014-04-29 10:15:35 AM  
Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.
 
2014-04-29 10:15:38 AM  
Oh, look, Tori Spelling's hospitalization was filmed.........
 
2014-04-29 10:16:27 AM  

Kit Fister: And most of those studies have been found to be flawed.


Feel free to back that claim.
 
2014-04-29 10:17:12 AM  

devilEther: js34603: Does anyone ever notice these threads contain the exact same posts every time? Just (some of) the names are different.

Probably just me. Or maybe someone posts this same thing in every gun thread, too.

See, in these threads, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.


Yea i just shift through the snarky opinionated garbage and just dispute those who try to present false facts.
 
2014-04-29 10:17:17 AM  

willfullyobscure: negligent discharge


What's a "negligent discarge "
 
2014-04-29 10:17:23 AM  
You keep paying those drivers by the mile, FedEx!
 
2014-04-29 10:17:37 AM  

parasol: upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee

As a former student of "new math", avid news fan and adult, my understanding is this:

1 - For the press, a "mass shooting" is a term used when the number of casualties is still not clear but it is clearly more than two, not including the gun man, who will remain singular (as in "6 reported killed, not including the shooter").  The number of shots fired is of no interest in defining a mass shooting and will be used only by the police and, later, during gun-related discussions ("was it necessary to fire 100 rounds to stop one person?"). The number of people killed does not define a "mass shooting" - that would include both killed and wounded.  IN SUM: "Mass shooting" is a situational reference for "lots of gunfire with more than two people hurt/killed.....stay tuned"

2 - "A couple" vs "A few" - while generally understood that the former means "two" and the latter "something less than ten" you should consider context:  "Yes, she has a couple of kids" vs "Officer? I had a couple of beers"  and  "John? The boss would like a few minutes" vs "I need a few things from the store, dear"

3 - A "mass" is less than "a couple" or "a few" in that it is one mass - made up of several things - ie, a cancerous mass, a mass protest, a mass shooting. So, for news media, the math is - one mass shooting (early report), "a couple" of persons of interest" and "a few" remain in the hospital.

Clearly, a question suited for Common Core Math standards.

What it could do for the understanding of "some" - and not that frustratingly concise "sum"


Well defined, thanks
 
2014-04-29 10:18:28 AM  

doctor wu: If everyone there had an Uzi this wouldn't have happened!


/too soon?


Not soon enough. Get them those Uzis. Seriously, do you think everyone else's being armed wouldn't have made this fool think twice about doing this? People do this to inflict damage, not to go get shot down right away.

I know it's an unpopular argument, and I'd love a gun free society, but if you know you are walking into an "all gun zone" you probably aren't going to do the disgruntled shooter routine.
 
2014-04-29 10:19:30 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: gnosis301: jehovahs witness protection: Funny how people yap about the south while ignoring all the shootings in the utopia known as Chicago.

Get off that cross you nailed yourself to.

/Well if we could figure out how to get gang members to stop spraying rounds into innocent victims while throwing moranic gang signs we would have that problem licked now wouldn't we? You can't fix stupid, and darwin generally assures us that he will continue to weed out genetically flawed citizens.


We know how to stop gang violence, end the drug war.
 
2014-04-29 10:20:20 AM  
Clearly a case of negligent discarge on one or both party's side. I've been driving since I was 9 and I've never had a negligent discarge and neither has anyone I know, so i think that's probably a fluke.


Somehow farkquote changed your spelling
 
2014-04-29 10:23:55 AM  

s2s2s2: Not soon enough. Get them those Uzis. Seriously, do you think everyone else's being armed wouldn't have made this fool think twice about doing this? People do this to inflict damage, not to go get shot down right away.

I know it's an unpopular argument, and I'd love a gun free society, but if you know you are walking into an "all gun zone" you probably aren't going to do the disgruntled shooter routine.


Yes because all these psycho shooters, who normally wind up turning their guns on themselves, are going to think twice about shooting up a place if they think someone else might hurt them. That's mighty fine logical thinking there.

This "an armed society is a polite society" horseshiat is horseshiat. Was the Old West polite? Now I realize the Old West wasn't as it is portrayed in the movies but it wasn't exactly polite either.
 
2014-04-29 10:24:36 AM  

s2s2s2: Not soon enough. Get them those Uzis. Seriously, do you think everyone else's being armed wouldn't have made this fool think twice about doing this? People do this to inflict damage, not to go get shot down right away.

I know it's an unpopular argument, and I'd love a gun free society, but if you know you are walking into an "all gun zone" you probably aren't going to do the disgruntled shooter routine.


You are flawed in thinking then because most of those people turn the gun on themselves at the end so they have no qualms about dying so no they would not care about walking into an all gun zone if they can kill the target that they were looking for.  Most people don't go killing randoms, usually there is some method to begin with.

School shootings usually starts with the bully/principal and then goes outward, office shootings are usually the boss first then outward, etc..
 
2014-04-29 10:24:52 AM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: amindtat: Georgia? What a surprise...

Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?


What's not to hate?
 
2014-04-29 10:26:32 AM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: amindtat: Georgia? What a surprise...

Really? We're going to start the South-hate this early in the morning?


It's Fark. The South hate never stops.
 
2014-04-29 10:27:01 AM  

RobotSpider: d23: [img.fark.net image 297x170]

It can still be cast to an tinyint datatype. It's not a problem until it fits in a boolean> variable.

/FT4Y
 
2014-04-29 10:28:39 AM  

TNel: Yet he only bought her a gun and not a gun and "gun purse"


He apparently never bought her diapers as a child either since he didn't explicitly tell us so.
 
2014-04-29 10:30:02 AM  

Pangea: I get the same feeling every time I see someone display a phone number without an area code.


These local news sites are the absolute worst.  Here's an example:

WWUT reports that a Clark County man shoves tsetse flies in his urethra for charity.


Here's the thing.  There's gotta be 50 Clark Counties in the US, and I don't know who the fark WWUT is.  Nothing on their home page about where they're located.  Sometimes I go to contact and do a reverse area code lookup, sometimes I'll do an f*cking FCC search.

It's like they don't realize that the internet is a global thing.
 
2014-04-29 10:31:06 AM  
"Police have instructed the families of FedEx employees to gather at Sparkles Skating Rink"

Good of them to provide an activity to distract from the anxiety.
 
2014-04-29 10:34:05 AM  

FarFarAway: It's Fark. The South hate never stops.


Well to be fair, there are a lot of shootings in GA. Someone was just making a point.

I live half the year in FL and you don't see any sand in my vagina about how the Sunshine State is treated here.
 
2014-04-29 10:34:15 AM  
Savage Belief

What's not to hate?

What kind of self-respecting Farker hates bourbon?
 
2014-04-29 10:34:47 AM  

EatenTheSun: "Police have instructed the families of FedEx employees to gather at Sparkles Skating Rink"

Good of them to provide an activity to distract from the anxiety.



weallhitplay.com
 
2014-04-29 10:35:24 AM  

Kit Fister: AspectRatio: As far as I've been able to tell, the only "serious alternative" proposed by the pro-gun lobby is "MOAR GUNS EVERYWHERE".

Except the Second Amendment Foundation who supported universal background checks until it was pointed out that the bill contained some very bad language, but keep on with your bad self.


A lot more people would have supported that bill if the process of creating it wasn't surrounded by insane rhetoric where people are calling for the death of the NRA leader and Feinstein presenting a bill that basically makes all modern firearms illegal. At that point the other side just gets defensive and any ground lost becomes a precedent for further restrictions.
 
2014-04-29 10:36:46 AM  
 
2014-04-29 10:37:30 AM  

oldernell: My home town, where a law is still on the books that you have to own a gun. The legislature must have declared Monday as take a gun to work day.


Being this happened today, Tuesday, I think your posit might be a bit off.

/just being snarky at this point, but good to hear from someone from Kennesaw.
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2014-04-29 10:37:44 AM  

mizchief: A lot more people would have supported that bill if the process of creating it wasn't surrounded by insane rhetoric where people are calling for the death of the NRA leader and Feinstein presenting a bill that basically makes all modern firearms illegal. At that point the other side just gets defensive and any ground lost becomes a precedent for further restrictions.


Yep.

Plus, you know, the whole process basically requiring steps that would've made it all but impossible to transfer a firearm...
 
2014-04-29 10:40:11 AM  

Click Click D'oh: TNel: Yet he only bought her a gun and not a gun and "gun purse"

He apparently never bought her diapers as a child either since he didn't explicitly tell us so.


One item is necessary whereas the other isn't but sure you are smart.  Do you want me to list more stories of people that drop guns into bags?  He was proud of his gun purchase so he would have listed just like how you gun nuts talk about which style holster you buy, plus he said "her purse" which stands to reason like I said is just her own personal purse.
 
2014-04-29 10:40:19 AM  

FarFarAway: It's Fark. The South hate never stops.


Yea, right. Because if there's one thing nobody ever makes fun of it's California. Or New York City. Or Portland. Or Seattle. Or Ohio. Or Detroit.

Wash the sand out of your vagina. Every region has mockable quirks. The only reason you guys get more of it is because Florida works so hard to drive your average up.
 
2014-04-29 10:41:51 AM  
Yawn. Wake me when its more than 30 people killed.
 
2014-04-29 10:45:30 AM  

oldernell: Tuesday.  I'll wake up later.


Me Too....
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2014-04-29 10:50:59 AM  
Only in America do you have people that don't see the contradiction in passing several laws making it more difficult to get an abortion and not passing several more to make it more difficult for a crazy person to get a firearm.
 
2014-04-29 10:51:36 AM  

Mugato: Yes because all these psycho shooters, who normally wind up turning their guns on themselves, are going to think twice about shooting up a place if they think someone else might hurt them. That's mighty fine logical thinking there.

This "an armed society is a polite society" horseshiat is horseshiat. Was the Old West polite? Now I realize the Old West wasn't as it is portrayed in the movies but it wasn't exactly polite either.


TNel: You are flawed in thinking then because most of those people turn the gun on themselves at the end so they have no qualms about dying so no they would not care about walking into an all gun zone if they can kill the target that they were looking for.  Most people don't go killing randoms, usually there is some method to begin with.

School shootings usually starts with the bully/principal and then goes outward, office shootings are usually the boss first then outward, etc..


Most of them turn their guns on themselves when guns are drawn on them. They don't want to get caught. So all your telling gets is a guy walking in with a gun, and either immediately being shot(he might get one or two), or seeing a bunch of guns drawn on him, and taking himself out, immediately. Either way, you likely end up with fewer bodies. I'm not saying everyone should have a gun. I certainly don't want to have to carry one. I'm just saying that this isn't as simple as "ban guns".
 
2014-04-29 10:53:50 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Here's the thing. There's gotta be 50 Clark Counties in the US, and I don't know who the fark WWUT is.


LOL WWUT
 
2014-04-29 10:54:09 AM  

Cymbal: Only in America do you have people that don't see the contradiction in passing several laws making it more difficult to get an abortion and not passing several more to make it more difficult for a crazy person to get a firearm.


We need abortion clinics at gun ranges.
 
2014-04-29 10:56:07 AM  

dittybopper: I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".


Wow dude.  That's some ignorant sh*t right there.  Two mass shootings.  In Texas.  On an army base.  Mass shooting on a Navy base.

And the whole notion that gun ownership prevents assault, well, that's not backed up by the data, which states a positive correlation between gun ownership and homicide, along with a negative correlation between the strictness of gun laws and gun related violence.

But hey, you hang onto your mythology, I guess.

On a side note, I'm not sure where or when the gun control debate went off the f*cking rails.  There used to be general agreement on both sides that there was a right to own weapons.  At some point over the last 20 years it's morphed into something about the ability to arm yourself with anything, anywhere, without any checks on the right whatsoever.

When did you guys lose your f*cking minds?
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2014-04-29 10:57:06 AM  

d23: Cold_Sassy: d23:

No good guy with a gun EVER stops the shooting spree.  It wasn't a comment on the "gun free" workplace law.  Get a grip.

Sorry, but you are incorrect: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-tha t -were-stopped-by-someone-wit

I know it's buzzfeed but with all the anti-gun derp you've been spouting throughout the thread, it probably won't matter.  All are verifiable.

I have been corrected about this point multiple times.  And I stand corrected.  I didn't personally know of any situation where that happened and it has nothing to do with Mother Jones.

And I don't spout "anti-gun derp." I point out people that are spouting pro-gun derp.  I think there is middle ground between "gun grabbing" and Mad Max society, unlike many black/white thinkers.


When you make a demonstrably false blanket statement that on its face value seems obviously untrue and you could easily verify the veracity of that statement yourself BEFORE screaming that it is true and yet you do not, most sensible people refer to that as derp.

I COULD be incorrect, though.
 
2014-04-29 11:00:30 AM  

Babwa Wawa: On an army base.  Mass shooting on a Navy base


Guess where else you aren't allowed to carry a gun!
 
2014-04-29 11:04:58 AM  

s2s2s2: Most of them turn their guns on themselves when guns are drawn on them. They don't want to get caught. So all your telling gets is a guy walking in with a gun, and either immediately being shot(he might get one or two), or seeing a bunch of guns drawn on him, and taking himself out, immediately. Either way, you likely end up with fewer bodies. I'm not saying everyone should have a gun. I certainly don't want to have to carry one. I'm just saying that this isn't as simple as "ban guns".


 I would be willing to bet majority of the shooters go in knowing they are not going to live afterward.  Do you really think it matters to them if the it ends up being the cops, another armed person, or themselves that ends up pulling the trigger?

So you really think that a armed person could stop a shooter before he pops off a few rounds?  You watch too many movies.  I would be willing to bet that majority of CCW people would duck and run when bullets start.  People are not going to all pull their gun out like some old western movie and the bad guy is going to drop his gun and run out the door.

There is such a small section of people that say "ban guns" and gun nutters love them because they get to use them as examples.  Just the same as anti-religous people love to point out how religous fanatics fire bomb planned parenthood centers.
 
2014-04-29 11:07:08 AM  

R.A.Danny: d23: I think there is middle ground between "gun grabbing" and Mad Max society, unlike many black/white thinkers.

Are we in some type of Mad Max society? Last I looked crime had dropped.


It has, that's why outside of Chicago and Detroit these kinds of things make huge headlines.
 
2014-04-29 11:09:30 AM  

d23: [img.fark.net image 297x170]


You can count to zero.  Good jorb.  Was the number of days since you have been able to use this too high to count?
 
2014-04-29 11:10:25 AM  

Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.


Nobody is accusing the shooter of being un-mannerly.
For all we know, he was very polite.

"Pardon me, but I'm going to shoot you now." BOOM!
"So terribly sorry." BOOM!
Please excuse me." BOOM!
 
2014-04-29 11:11:05 AM  

jaybeezey: R.A.Danny: d23: I think there is middle ground between "gun grabbing" and Mad Max society, unlike many black/white thinkers.

Are we in some type of Mad Max society? Last I looked crime had dropped.

It has, that's why outside of Chicago and Detroit these kinds of things make huge headlines.


Chicago and Detroit gun deaths have one similarity that keeps them out of the national news.
It's black people that are dying. No one seems to care about them. Kill one white person in Idaho? That will hit the front page nationwide.
 
2014-04-29 11:11:35 AM  

s2s2s2: Guess where else you aren't allowed to carry a gun!


Ah, the old GoP talking point.  There's plenty of armed personnel on any base.

Again, when did this thing go from being "don't take my guns" - which most people agree with, to "I want to buy and carry whatever and wherever I want"?
 
2014-04-29 11:12:25 AM  
Georgia? Are zombies involved?
 
2014-04-29 11:12:49 AM  
TNel:
So you really think that a armed person could stop a shooter before he pops off a few rounds?  You watch too many movies.  I would be willing to bet that majority of CCW people would duck and run when bullets start.  People are not going to all pull their gun out like some old western movie and the bad guy is going to drop his gun and run out the door.

Even a trained law enforcement officer would be startled.  Everyone likes to think they know what they'd do in that situation, but I don't think anyone can really predict their own response.  It's not as if anyone goes in there planning to take down a psycho.  It abruptly goes from a normal, peaceful work day to all hell breaking loose before anyone even knows what's happening.  However I think I do have to cede the point that in some cases the right person being in the right place at the right time with a gun could probably have stopped it, but all of those variables are unlikely to line up on any given day.
 
2014-04-29 11:13:06 AM  

AspectRatio: Dear Gun Fetishists,

Either grow up and start supporting and voting for strict gun control laws, or you will completely lose your precious Second Amendment some time in the next 30 years.

Sincerely,
Everyone else


So, give up some now, and some later, and even more later, or loose them all? What's the difference?

I have been assured by the Fark anti-gunner mob that no one who wanted to take away all the guns.
 
2014-04-29 11:13:15 AM  
Babwa Wawa

Wow dude. That's some ignorant sh*t right there. Two mass shootings. In Texas. On an army base. Mass shooting on a Navy base.

Going to take a wild guess here and say you've never served.

On a side note, I'm not sure where or when the gun control debate went off the f*cking rails. There used to be general agreement on both sides that there was a right to own weapons. At some point over the last 20 years it's morphed into something about the ability to arm yourself with anything, anywhere, without any checks on the right whatsoever.

When did you guys lose your f*cking minds?


Those types are balanced by the "no one should own weapons" types on the other side. Both "sides" have ideological extremists.
 
2014-04-29 11:13:35 AM  

Babwa Wawa: It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport,


It is legal to carry a firearm into an airport in Ga. If you try to go through security and get caught, they will turn you away, but you get to keep the gun if  you have a permit and say you "forgot" you had the gun with you. Gov signed it last week.
 
2014-04-29 11:13:36 AM  

s2s2s2: Most of them turn their guns on themselves when guns are drawn on them.


I'm not the type to ask for a citation so I won't but I doubt that all the school shooters for example were concerned about the librarian packing heat.

These people are crazy. They obviously don't intend on getting caught or living through the incident. And no matter how many times you watch Die Hard, every guy who happens to have a gun during one of these incidents isn't going to step up and take care of shiat when it goes down.

I'm not anti-gun. I have a gun. I have a permit. Just don't pretend that a society where everyone has a piece is going to solve anything.
 
2014-04-29 11:13:53 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Again, when did this thing go from being "don't take my guns" - which most people agree with, to "I want to buy and carry whatever and wherever I want"?


When did it go from We just want to regulate full automatic guns and sawed off shotguns to the Brady Campaign?
 
2014-04-29 11:16:26 AM  
Thanks NRA. FED UPS with this shiat already.
 
2014-04-29 11:16:37 AM  

Kit Fister: off the top of google.


It's bad enough that not a single one of those is about any of the four studies I cited, but on top of that the first and last links are the same article on two different sites and it's an article by a guy who is frequently attacked by the NRA for his work and is widely cited by gun control advocates.

The second link is a criticism of a study that concluded that instituting SHALL ISSUE concealed carry would reduce gun violence so I'm not even sure why you linked it. Not only is not relevant to anything I've said to you or Gristle, it appears to be completely antithetical to your position on the larger issue since it's criticising a study that advocated FEWER gun control measures.

The third link is a criticism of a study that was never even published.

The fourth link doesn't dispute the correlation found in the study it was commenting on, it simply warns against using that data alone as proof that any particular legal measure would have some particular outcome.

You probably should have at least skimmed them.
 
2014-04-29 11:17:52 AM  

skozlaw: FarFarAway: It's Fark. The South hate never stops.

Yea, right. Because if there's one thing nobody ever makes fun of it's California. Or New York City. Or Portland. Or Seattle. Or Ohio. Or Detroit.

Wash the sand out of your vagina. Every region has mockable quirks. The only reason you guys get more of it is because Florida works so hard to drive your average up.


Yes, throwing around sexist bullshiat makes your opinion SO valid. Show me where any of those places get half the shiat that the South does. I don't see anyone assuming that all New Yorkers are racists because they live in New York. I don't see anyone assuming that Seattle residents are inbred squeal like a pig morons because they live where they do.
 
2014-04-29 11:18:12 AM  

skozlaw: Kit Fister: off the top of google.

It's bad enough that not a single one of those is about any of the four studies I cited, but on top of that the first and last links are the same article on two different sites and it's an article by a guy who is frequently attacked by the NRA for his work and is widely cited by gun control advocates.

The second link is a criticism of a study that concluded that instituting SHALL ISSUE concealed carry would reduce gun violence so I'm not even sure why you linked it. Not only is not relevant to anything I've said to you or Gristle, it appears to be completely antithetical to your position on the larger issue since it's criticising a study that advocated FEWER gun control measures.

The third link is a criticism of a study that was never even published.

The fourth link doesn't dispute the correlation found in the study it was commenting on, it simply warns against using that data alone as proof that any particular legal measure would have some particular outcome.

You probably should have at least skimmed them.


I bow to your superior intellect and greater knowledge of all things.
 
2014-04-29 11:19:28 AM  

someradicaldude: WebRepcurrentVotenoRatingnoWeight


OK, so what is this, and why is it showing up in all your posts?
 
2014-04-29 11:20:24 AM  

Muta: Bit'O'Gristle: The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

Living a life in fear that I'll get shot is not freedom.  Since it is clear that government is unable to protect us from gun owners, I think it falls on the gun owning community.  The gun owning community are the ones who created the problem by making it easy for every wacko can buy a gun so they can be the ones to step up and solve it.  What should they do to solve the problem?  I don't know, it isn't my problem.  Responsible gun owners are the ones who need to step up and fix the problem they created. What's their solutions?  ... crickets ...


How about trying to not live in fear, i thought that is what the gun nutters did.

It looks like you need to work on liberal talking points. On the plus side, your anti-gun stance does go to prove that you likely have large genitalia in comparison to gun owners, so you can enjoy that aspect of it all while you hide in the corner crying like a biatch.


On the other hand, i'm not sure what everyone is all up in arms about, the guy just did what Uncle Joey Biden said and went and got a shotgun.

Hopefully those injured by this asshole recover  fully. It's a shame that someone like this feels so weak in life that he has to injur others in death.
 
2014-04-29 11:25:06 AM  

Persnickety: Clearly the thing to do is load everybody up with more and more guns.  How can we hope to curb gun violence until every single American is overbrimming with guns at all times?


Speak for yourself. I go to work everyday in a bulletproof vest, TAC helmet, and leg armor carrying my American made AR-10T (better than that .223 pu$$y shiat) and a Colt .45, both with custom grips and other accessories. Heck, even my grandkids are decked out in kevlar and open carry a .22 pistol in case little Malik get's too rough on the playground, or that creepy Jerome guy in that lives nearby tries to mess with them. We are the safest family in the world!

I'd like to get a anti-tank and anti-aircraft launchers next, but the government is limiting my 2nd amendment rights. They just don't want to be facing a well-armed populace when Ma0bama sends in his DHS shock troops. My neighbor wants to buy a good American tank, but there's rules about that I guess. Rules that are meant to keep you sheep underarmed in a fight against the fascist demonrats! Prepare for your FEMA reeducation camps if true patriots can't hold off the advance of Barack HUSSEIN 0bama and the hordes of commiefascistunionthugjackboots that would send you to fascist demonrat socialist camps to ensure that the next 10 generations is pliable.

The most terrifying thing is I have a hard time buying ammo because the government is buying it all up to keep it out of the hands of ordinary patriots, like myself, who have memorized parts of the first, second, fourth, and tenth amendments. How am I supposed to defend myself against the inevitable waves of socialist thugs if I don't have enough? How's my kids, and theirs, supposed to practice being a real American ready to defend themselves from oppressive tyranny by the government? We will see.

Remember, it won't be pretty. You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!


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2014-04-29 11:30:24 AM  

TNel: One item is necessary whereas the other isn't but sure you are smart.


He never said he bought her ammunition either...  Seems kind of necessary for the discharge of a firearm.
 
2014-04-29 11:31:32 AM  

TNel: So you really think that a armed person could stop a shooter before he pops off a few rounds?


s2s2s2: (he might get one or two)


Babwa Wawa: Again, when did this thing go from being "don't take my guns" - which most people agree with, to "I want to buy and carry whatever and wherever I want"?


s2s2s2: I'm not saying everyone should have a gun. I certainly don't want to have to carry one.


target="_blank">Mugato: I'm not the type to ask for a citation so I won't but I doubt that all the school shooters for example were concerned about the librarian packing heat.


s2s2s2: Most of them


Mugato: Just don't pretend that a society where everyone has a piece is going to solve anything.


s2s2s2: I'm not saying everyone should have a gun. I certainly don't want to have to carry one.


This is why talking about problems doesn't solve them.
 
2014-04-29 11:32:05 AM  

Babwa Wawa: s2s2s2: Guess where else you aren't allowed to carry a gun!

Ah, the old GoP talking point.  There's plenty of armed personnel on any base.

Again, when did this thing go from being "don't take my guns" - which most people agree with, to "I want to buy and carry whatever and wherever I want"?


Gun owners just want to continue to buy can carry what we have for decades. There aren't many out there demanding they are allowed full-auto, rocket launchers, etc. It's that the anti-gunners want to ban what we already have and exists in the millions. Such bans do nothing to protect anyone and as history shows, banning something that is in high demand leads to black markets and increased violence.

These shootings are basically the equivalent of suicide bombers. The person basically decided they wanted to kill themselves and take out as many people with them as possible. Even if these people couldn't get access to a gun, there are plenty of other ways to accomplish their goal.

I saw some reports claiming that the shooter in this case had asked for Saturday off and was denied, but he took it off anyway. My guess is that resulted in him getting fired. This happens to a lot of people and 99.9% of the time they don't try to kill themselves and their former coworkers.

The real question is how many resources and what other sacrifices are we willing to make to prevent that 0.01% occurrence? Given the current state of the real world, what action would actually be effective?

Problem is, no one actually gives a shiat about solving a particular problem. Be it anti or pro gun, they just pick a the parts of the story that fits their narrative. The vast majority of gun owners who just want to protect their family and enjoy their hobby get caught in the middle.
 
2014-04-29 11:34:06 AM  

FarFarAway: I don't see anyone assuming that all New Yorkers are racists because they live in New York.


Nah, the common New York stereotype is that they'd sooner piss on you than look at you.

FarFarAway: I don't see anyone assuming that Seattle residents are inbred squeal like a pig morons because they live where they do.


Nah, the common Seattle stereotype is that they're all stoned.
 
2014-04-29 11:34:45 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Going to take a wild guess here and say you've never served.


Incorrect.
 
2014-04-29 11:38:17 AM  

mizchief: There aren't many out there demanding they are allowed full-auto, rocket launchers, etc

...

Both of which are actually perfectly legal to own.
 
2014-04-29 11:38:42 AM  

HeartBurnKid: FarFarAway: I don't see anyone assuming that all New Yorkers are racists because they live in New York.

Nah, the common New York stereotype is that they'd sooner piss on you than look at you.

FarFarAway: I don't see anyone assuming that Seattle residents are inbred squeal like a pig morons because they live where they do.

Nah, the common Seattle stereotype is that they're all stoned.


I thought the NYC stereotype was that they are all assholes and the whole city smells like garbage and human waste baking in a concrete oven.
 
2014-04-29 11:40:38 AM  

Click Click D'oh: mizchief: There aren't many out there demanding they are allowed full-auto, rocket launchers, etc...

Both of which are actually perfectly legal to own.


yes they are legal to own, but the restrictions make them effectively legally unobtainable for most people.
 
2014-04-29 11:40:40 AM  

JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.


This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.
 
2014-04-29 11:40:48 AM  

thesubliminalman: willfullyobscure: negligent discharge

What's a "negligent discarge "


Without a condom.
 
2014-04-29 11:41:06 AM  

exatron: Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.

The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.


Yes, that's how the World Wide Web works. Nobody from outside small communities EVER links to local news sites.
 
2014-04-29 11:42:39 AM  
Babwa Wawa

Incorrect.

And you think everyone on base is armed? I can't speak for every posting, obviously, but in my experience on base stateside, the only people who are regularly armed are MPs, guards, people actually training at the time and the occasional OIC. This was serving as USMC infantry, but I can't imagine the USAF or USA have vastly more people armed as a matter of course...
 
2014-04-29 11:44:21 AM  

Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.


You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...
 
2014-04-29 11:45:05 AM  

Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.


The purpose of that law was to send a message to criminals that if they break into someone's house in Kennesaw, there is a very good chance they will die. That law does not apply to businesses where corporate policy usually dictates a weapon free workplace.
 
2014-04-29 11:46:12 AM  

s2s2s2: TNel: So you really think that a armed person could stop a shooter before he pops off a few rounds?
s2s2s2: (he might get one or two)

This is why talking about problems doesn't solve them. 

So fark it chain guns for everyone?  Or fark it no guns for anyone?


s2s2s2: Seriously, do you think everyone else's being armed wouldn't have made this fool think twice about doing this?

s2s2s2: I'm not saying everyone should have a gun.


So which is it?  Everyone being armed or not everyone?
 
2014-04-29 11:48:14 AM  

mizchief: The real question is how many resources and what other sacrifices are we willing to make to prevent that 0.01% occurrence? Given the current state of the real world, what action would actually be effective?


Yours is a reasonable response to a gun control bill.  I don't know what to call what passed in Georgia.  A gun encouragement bill, maybe?  Regardless, I think it's potentially counterproductive to your cause.  Guns have been banned from most schools and bars for quite a while.  The reason it's going to backfire is because at some point shiat's going to go sideways in one of those places.

The flavor of the opposition to gun control bills in general has really changed, and it's moved to the fringe.  For example, background checks used to be a bipartisan no brainer.   When the hell did a background check become some sort of rights restriction?
 
2014-04-29 11:48:38 AM  

TNel: Click Click D'oh: TNel: Yet he only bought her a gun and not a gun and "gun purse"

He apparently never bought her diapers as a child either since he didn't explicitly tell us so.

One item is necessary whereas the other isn't but sure you are smart.  Do you want me to list more stories of people that drop guns into bags?  He was proud of his gun purchase so he would have listed just like how you gun nuts talk about which style holster you buy, plus he said "her purse" which stands to reason like I said is just her own personal purse.


You know, if you read the thread, you would see that Bit O Gristle is former military/law enforcement.  That tells me that he is probably more safety-conscious than you average Joe.  But feel free to continue your suppositions.  We're enjoying them.
 
2014-04-29 11:49:26 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: And you think everyone on base is armed?


I didn't say that, did I?  I said there's no shortage of armed people on any base.  Every base I've ever been on is filthy with MPs.
 
2014-04-29 11:49:50 AM  

Hung Like A Tic-Tac: Georgia? Are zombies involved?


Well, it is a airport / sort facility...
 
2014-04-29 11:51:34 AM  

HeartBurnKid: someradicaldude: WebRepcurrentVotenoRatingnoWeight

OK, so what is this, and why is it showing up in all your posts?


Stupid avast antivirus, that part is now, happily disabled. It was popping in just as I clicked add comment.
 
2014-04-29 11:53:34 AM  

Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.


You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.
 
2014-04-29 11:53:46 AM  
Ahh yes. Another head-case exercising his 2nd Amendment rights (to buy a gun).

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

This must have seemed like such an obvious need to the Founders way back when. Guess they didn't foresee hand-held machine pistols.

Hard to do a mass shooting with a musket I suppose.
 
2014-04-29 11:54:35 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: And you think everyone on base is armed? I can't speak for every posting, obviously, but in my experience on base stateside, the only people who are regularly armed are MPs, guards, people actually training at the time and the occasional OIC. This was serving as USMC infantry, but I can't imagine the USAF or USA have vastly more people armed as a matter of course...


That's the extent on USAF bases, which is a such a small percentage of people.
 
2014-04-29 11:55:09 AM  

Babwa Wawa: mizchief: The real question is how many resources and what other sacrifices are we willing to make to prevent that 0.01% occurrence? Given the current state of the real world, what action would actually be effective?

Yours is a reasonable response to a gun control bill.  I don't know what to call what passed in Georgia.  A gun encouragement bill, maybe?  Regardless, I think it's potentially counterproductive to your cause.  Guns have been banned from most schools and bars for quite a while.  The reason it's going to backfire is because at some point shiat's going to go sideways in one of those places.

The flavor of the opposition to gun control bills in general has really changed, and it's moved to the fringe.  For example, background checks used to be a bipartisan no brainer.   When the hell did a background check become some sort of rights restriction?


The law didn't really change much. As a state we accepted the notion that we will allow people who don't have a criminal, drug addiction, domestic violence, or mental illness history, after passing state and federal background checks, to carry concealed weapons. These laws just clear up a few
incongruencies. Did it really make sense that you could carry in a walmart, public park, public streets, etc. but somehow churches were off limits?
 
2014-04-29 11:57:08 AM  

dittybopper: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".


Correlation != Causation. More likely, areas obtain gun restrictions because they are vulnerable, not the other way around. And in that case, arming more people in those locations is illogical.

/But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?
 
2014-04-29 11:57:39 AM  
Babwa Wawa

I didn't say that, did I?

Well, no, I suppose you didn't. It just seemed to me that, in response to dittybopper saying:

...if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed: Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely,

you said:

Wow dude. That's some ignorant sh*t right there. Two mass shootings. In Texas. On an army base. Mass shooting on a Navy base.

The comment you replied to obviously refers to places where weapons are prohibited from general carry, with only allowed personnel being armed. Exactly like a military base.

When the hell did a background check become some sort of rights restriction?

If you actually look at proposed background check legislation, it fails because it's invariably tied up with other proposals that are objectionable to many people.
 
2014-04-29 11:58:39 AM  

Cold_Sassy: You know, if you read the thread, you would see that Bit O Gristle is former military/law enforcement. That tells me that he is probably more safety-conscious than you average Joe. But feel free to continue your suppositions. We're enjoying them.


You know what they say about assume right?  Wait you want to go that route?  Do you want me to post the LEO trainer shooting himself in the foot?

fark it it's too funny not to post.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2442_rmiidY
 
2014-04-29 11:59:48 AM  

MythDragon: Bit'O'Gristle: upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee

/I have always been in the understanding that anything above 4 or five is considered "mass".  As far as i know, there is no fixed number, but generally, i have seen 4 or 5 to be the line.

To further elaborate on this, two people shot is company, and three shootings is  a crowd.


/If you shoot four or more crows, it's called a 'murder'


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-29 11:59:51 AM  

TNel: s2s2s2: TNel: So you really think that a armed person could stop a shooter before he pops off a few rounds?
s2s2s2: (he might get one or two)
This is why talking about problems doesn't solve them.
So fark it chain guns for everyone?  Or fark it no guns for anyone?


s2s2s2: Seriously, do you think everyone else's being armed wouldn't have made this fool think twice about doing this?
s2s2s2: I'm not saying everyone should have a gun.

So which is it?  Everyone being armed or not everyone?


None of what I said was about an endorsement of policy. You aren't going to read about the many instances of a good guy with a gun stopping a crime, without some digging, as often as stories like this. Death sells.

I don't like guns, but I understand their usefulness.
 
2014-04-29 12:02:21 PM  

d23: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

And, yet again, a law abiding citizen didn't pull a gun and stop it.  Must be time to arm the 5 year olds now...


If you're done with taking advantage of this tragedy for your own purposes, I'd like to point out that FedEx has a strict no weapons policy on its facilities.
 
2014-04-29 12:03:12 PM  
Thanks, OBAMA Governor Deal!
 
2014-04-29 12:04:04 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: The comment you replied to obviously refers to places where weapons are prohibited from general carry, with only allowed personnel being armed. Exactly like a military base.


Just because it's a tightly regulated environment doesn't mean there aren't a shiat-ton of people on any base who are carrying.

FWIW, place I've been off-post in the US has had a higher ratio of carrying to non-carrying people than a military base.
 
2014-04-29 12:04:21 PM  

Pangea: HeartBurnKid: exatron: Babwa Wawa: Why anyone would assume that the location of Cobb County is common knowledge is beyond me.

The story is from a local TV station's website. Presumably, most people in its broadcast area know where it is.

Yes, but it's on the internet, where people from around the world will read it.  It only takes four additional keystrokes (", GA") to solve that problem completely, which seems well worth the effort to me.

/I only know where Cobb County is thanks to the WWF

I get the same feeling every time I see someone display a phone number without an area code.

[teamshocker.com image 128x128]


m8.i.pbase.com
 
2014-04-29 12:04:38 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: When the hell did a background check become some sort of rights restriction?

If you actually look at proposed background check legislation, it fails because it's invariably tied up with other proposals that are objectionable to many people.


^ This. It's like trying to pass a bill law that makes throwing babies off a tower illegal, but then also does a whole lot of other questionable shady shiat some of which isn't even relative to the issue. On the surface, the law is great but it is really just a load of crap masquerading as something righteous. The political climate now, is incredibly disingenuous with agendas that are incongruous with the actual issue or that cause more problems than they fix.
 
2014-04-29 12:05:50 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: If you're done with taking advantage of this tragedy for your own purposes, I'd like to point out that FedEx has a strict no weapons policy on its facilities.


When you use a tragedy to stifle or delay discussion, you're taking advantage of it for your own purposes.
 
2014-04-29 12:07:37 PM  
Babwa Wawa

FWIW, place I've been off-post in the US has had a higher ratio of carrying to non-carrying people than a military base.

That's kinda the point. You won't run into random people carrying weapons once you get in. No one can carry if it's not part of their job at the time, very much unlike the civilian world.
 
2014-04-29 12:08:14 PM  

TNel: So you really think that a armed person could stop a shooter before he pops off a few rounds?  You watch too many movies.  I would be willing to bet that majority of CCW people would duck and run when bullets start.  People are not going to all pull their gun out like some old western movie and the bad guy is going to drop his gun and run out the door.


Very much this. A lot of people think having a gun makes you immune to fear and gives you a 100% clear head in a crisis situation. The truth is that you might forget you have a gun when someone starts shooting. Even trained soldiers and police officers can panic during a firefight.

It's easy to fantasize about what would happen "If I'd been there with a gun" when we have the magic of hindsight to back us up. The same thing happened after the Aurora shooting, and the amount of unrealistic fantasy was so bad, it made Mary Sue Harry Potter fanfiction seem more grounded in reality.
 
2014-04-29 12:08:26 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: Here's what I don't get. A frequent refrain of the supporters of the Second Amendment is the whole "an armed society is a polite society" statement, yet they start on about the shootings in Chicago. What are they shooting with? Bananas? Passion fruit? Pointed sticks? One would assume they were  using firearms. And I think we can also assume that the shootings arent' just one or two shooters. Ergo, many people are armed. I would argue this invalidates that whole argument. Or is that they are more polite as they are shooting? Does it go along the lines of "I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm now need to shoot you." Can someone explain this to me? What about Somalia? Damn near everyone is armed over there. How about Afghanistan? Or Iraq? They had a helluva lot of arms over there. Hell, there was a huge market in the middle of Sadr City where you could get any weapon you desire? Are those areas more polite?


That refrain is usually reserved for law abiding gun owners.  The vast majority of the inner city shootings are people who are acting in commission of a crime, or are prohibited from possessing firearms altogether.  There are millions of law abiding gun owners who will not once in their lifetimes shoot another person.
 
2014-04-29 12:11:02 PM  

Babwa Wawa: machodonkeywrestler: If you're done with taking advantage of this tragedy for your own purposes, I'd like to point out that FedEx has a strict no weapons policy on its facilities.

When you use a tragedy to stifle or delay discussion, you're taking advantage of it for your own purposes.


Except for the fact that I'm not. I'm correcting the previous poster'a incorrect assumption. But if blindly attacking someone post with no respect to reality is what floats your boat,whatever let's you sleep at night.
 
2014-04-29 12:13:45 PM  
soporific

...the amount of unrealistic fantasy was so bad, it made Mary Sue Harry Potter fanfiction seem more grounded in reality.

I assure you, sir, that I really was the associate professor of Tantric Studies at Hogwarts when Hermione Granger turned sixteen. It was only through our combined powers that HWMNBN was defeated. This is not fanfic; that muggle fantasy in which "chosen one" Harry Potter saved the day is the real fiction.
 
2014-04-29 12:14:19 PM  

TNel: So you really think that a armed person could stop a shooter before he pops off a few rounds?  You watch too many movies.


Don't be a stupid retard.  Of course not.  They would probably get a few pops off.  But the armed person can shoot those bullets out of the air and then shoot a bullet into the end of his gun, effectively plugging it up.
 
2014-04-29 12:18:07 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: BeatrixK: I'm just so very glad there was a responsible gun owner there to save the day...

Responsible gun owners don't carry where it's illegal to carry, and a FedEx facility located at an airport is most likely a gun free zone.


It is most definitely a gun free zone.
 
2014-04-29 12:20:33 PM  

soporific: Even trained soldiers and police officers can panic during a firefight.


I wish I could dig it up and having issues right now but there was a video that they had someone "packing" a paint ball gun and had them in a school to simulate what would happen if an intruder would bust down the door and start shooting and most of the people couldn't even get the gun out to take a shot.  Was a pretty good video but the gun people bashed it because they shot the guy with the gun second after the "teacher" and they said well it's not fair because they knew he had a gun but it's not a terrible situation because you don't know who will get shot and when.
 
2014-04-29 12:24:36 PM  

JungleBoogie: Ahh yes. Another head-case exercising his 2nd Amendment rights (to buy a gun).

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

This must have seemed like such an obvious need to the Founders way back when. Guess they didn't foresee hand-held machine pistols.

Hard to do a mass shooting with a musket I suppose.


I guess that you do not know that the weapons that they had available were "state of the art" at the time and that it included "military level" firearms of the day, keeping everyone on equal footing was the intent as they had just won independence from a larger, better funded foe. But don't let a little thing like facts spoil your day.
 
2014-04-29 12:28:43 PM  

KidneyStone: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: BeatrixK: I'm just so very glad there was a responsible gun owner there to save the day...

Responsible gun owners don't carry where it's illegal to carry, and a FedEx facility located at an airport is most likely a gun free zone.

It is most definitely a gun free zone.


Of course it is.  Gun free zones are the result of people wanting to "feel" safe, without actually doing anything to make themselves safer.

The results of this paper support the hypothesis that concealed
handgun or shall issue laws reduce the number of multiple victim
public shootings. Attackers are deterred and the number of people
injured or killed per attack is also reduced, thus for the first time
providing evidence that the harm from crimes that still occur can be
mitigated. - University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law & Economics Working Paper No. 73

The arguments for them are emotional and nothing else.  The growing body of evidence strongly supports that "gun-free zones" cost lives.
 
2014-04-29 12:36:14 PM  
Musket mass shooting is easy, in fact that's how they used to do it back then. In masses. Volley fire.

And there were cannons too. And mortars.

Sure, take away all guns from non-governmental people all over the world. Why not? It's not like most of the murders in the world were committed by governments. Right? RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT?

1.bp.blogspot.com

d.ibtimes.co.uk

www.kent.edu

blogs.e-rockford.com
 
2014-04-29 12:51:46 PM  

thesubliminalman: willfullyobscure: negligent discharge

What's a "negligent discarge "


A pun on the word, "discharge", as in, the 'negligent discharge of a friearm'. The clue was in how my original post was making fun of a gun rights potato using the No True Scotsman fallacy and was a substitution of the subject(cars instead of firearms), to show the fallacy for a humorous effect.


Another clue was furnished by my copying the form of a common refrain among shooters that post on Fark.com, which is that they have never seen a negligent discharge with their own eyes despite being actively involved in shooting sports from a young age. This too had a humorous component: the juxtaposition of the young age of 9 with the action of driving a car, which is by and large unbelievable.


Taken as a whole, the pun, 'negligent discarge' instead of 'negligent discharge' was supposed to further convey humor at the expense of the original, hapless poster using a poor logical fallacy as an argument.


hth
 
2014-04-29 12:52:37 PM  
Let the liberal fear mongering begin.
 
2014-04-29 12:53:41 PM  
FTFA: "He had bullets strapped across his chest like Rambo, a huge assault rifle and he had a knife," Aiken said in a parking lot where employees were gathering not far from their workplace.

Also FTFA: Cobb County police Sgt. Dana Pierce said the shooter, who has only been identified as a package handler at the facility, was found with a shotgun.

/sigh
 
2014-04-29 12:55:04 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...


If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??
 
2014-04-29 12:55:07 PM  

lamric: MythDragon: Bit'O'Gristle: upndn: What qualifies as a mass shooting? How many people must be shot or is it how many shots are fired? Do people have to die? Hell, it took me half my life to figure out the difference between "a couple" and "a few". I always thought "a mass" is more than "a couple" or "a few" but in regards to shootings, I'm not so sure.

/I need my coffee

/I have always been in the understanding that anything above 4 or five is considered "mass".  As far as i know, there is no fixed number, but generally, i have seen 4 or 5 to be the line.

To further elaborate on this, two people shot is company, and three shootings is  a crowd.


/If you shoot four or more crows, it's called a 'murder'

[img.fark.net image 600x414]


But is there a collective noun for a group of murders?

I think it should be a "slew".

"Chief, there's been a slew of murders on the East Side".
 
2014-04-29 12:57:17 PM  

Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??


Because until recently there were very few legally owned guns in Chicago.
 
2014-04-29 12:57:39 PM  

Kit Fister: I bow to your superior intellect and greater knowledge of all things.


You get on with yo' bad self. It's not my fault you didn't actually read any of your own articles before you posted them and I won't apologize for the fact that I did take the time to read them. If you didn't want anybody to actually read them, you shouldn't have posted them.
 
2014-04-29 12:58:40 PM  

sugar_fetus: Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.


Then please explain this:

COBB COUNTY, GA (CBS46) -
A man believed responsible for a shooting at a FedEx warehouse in Kennesaw was found dead inside the building with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities.

The shooting, which was reported at 5:54 a.m., happened at the FedEx located on Grist Lake Road in Kennesaw.
 
2014-04-29 12:58:58 PM  

Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??


Because it's the criminals that have the guns?
I know you knew this and were just being intellectually dishonest, but I figured I'd answer anyway.
 
2014-04-29 01:00:28 PM  

ChaosStar: Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??

Because it's the criminals that have the guns?
I know you knew this and were just being intellectually dishonest, but I figured I'd answer anyway.


You believe that every gun owner in Chicago is a criminal??
 
2014-04-29 01:02:04 PM  
ChaosStar

FTFA: "He had bullets strapped across his chest like Rambo, a huge assault rifle and he had a knife," Aiken said in a parking lot where employees were gathering not far from their workplace.

To be fair, it's not necessarily Aiken's fault that he's a moron. He was taught that. All criminal shooters are armed with assault rifles and Glocks.

Rather recently, some dictionaries began defining "assault rifle" as, essentially, "weapon that looks scary kinda like what idiots see on the teevee," because that's how many people use it these days, and many people are ignorant of the actual meaning and history of the term. Now, of course, these same idiots can point to the dictionary and say, "see? assault rifle!", all the while ignoring the fact that it's their own ignorance that stimulated such dumbing-down of the language.

It's one of the more amusing twists in the American firearms debate.
 
2014-04-29 01:03:12 PM  

Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??

Because it's the criminals that have the guns?
I know you knew this and were just being intellectually dishonest, but I figured I'd answer anyway.

You believe that every gun owner in Chicago is a criminal??


I do not, and again, you knew this, but please continue with your logical fallacies in an attempt to make your assertion that guns are bad valid.
 
2014-04-29 01:03:37 PM  

Lorelle: why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??


You know it's gone down since they became a shall issue state, right?
 
2014-04-29 01:04:03 PM  

Lorelle: You believe that every gun owner in Chicago is a criminal??


You're so pretty.
 
2014-04-29 01:07:53 PM  

ChaosStar: Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??

Because it's the criminals that have the guns?
I know you knew this and were just being intellectually dishonest, but I figured I'd answer anyway.

You believe that every gun owner in Chicago is a criminal??

I do not, and again, you knew this, but please continue with your logical fallacies in an attempt to make your assertion that guns are bad valid.


Some days,  it's like shooting fish in a barrel. :D
 
2014-04-29 01:08:34 PM  

Lorelle: sugar_fetus: Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.

Then please explain this:

COBB COUNTY, GA (CBS46) -
A man believed responsible for a shooting at a FedEx warehouse in Kennesaw was found dead inside the building with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities.

The shooting, which was reported at 5:54 a.m., happened at the FedEx located on Grist Lake Road in Kennesaw.


Are you that stupid? City limits aren't the same thing as what people generally call their mailing address.
 
2014-04-29 01:14:28 PM  

mizchief: Lorelle: sugar_fetus: Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.

Then please explain this:

COBB COUNTY, GA (CBS46) -
A man believed responsible for a shooting at a FedEx warehouse in Kennesaw was found dead inside the building with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities.

The shooting, which was reported at 5:54 a.m., happened at the FedEx located on Grist Lake Road in Kennesaw.

Are you that stupid? City limits aren't the same thing as what people generally call their mailing address.


In which city did this happen in, then??
 
2014-04-29 01:21:45 PM  

Lorelle: mizchief: Lorelle: sugar_fetus: Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.

Then please explain this:

COBB COUNTY, GA (CBS46) -
A man believed responsible for a shooting at a FedEx warehouse in Kennesaw was found dead inside the building with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities.

The shooting, which was reported at 5:54 a.m., happened at the FedEx located on Grist Lake Road in Kennesaw.

Are you that stupid? City limits aren't the same thing as what people generally call their mailing address.

In which city did this happen in, then??


It happened in a place that has a mailing address of Kennesaw, GA. That address is, however, outside of the city limits of Kennesaw, and therefore the law you are referring to does not apply to this location. As far as city limits go, this probably happened in unincorporated Cobb County. However, we generally do not refer to places by their city limits, but by their mailing address.

Not to mention the fact that, as I recall, that law required homeowners, not businesses, to possess a firearm in their home. But I could be wrong about that.
 
2014-04-29 01:21:46 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: ChaosStar

FTFA: "He had bullets strapped across his chest like Rambo, a huge assault rifle and he had a knife," Aiken said in a parking lot where employees were gathering not far from their workplace.

To be fair, it's not necessarily Aiken's fault that he's a moron. He was taught that. All criminal shooters are armed with assault rifles and Glocks.

Rather recently, some dictionaries began defining "assault rifle" as, essentially, "weapon that looks scary kinda like what idiots see on the teevee," because that's how many people use it these days, and many people are ignorant of the actual meaning and history of the term. Now, of course, these same idiots can point to the dictionary and say, "see? assault rifle!", all the while ignoring the fact that it's their own ignorance that stimulated such dumbing-down of the language.

It's one of the more amusing twists in the American firearms debate.


I was standing in line to pay for my coffee this morning and the local Pump N Munch and was looking at the magazine rack and saw a magazine titled "Combat Handguns", and had to chuckle to myself wondering how long it would take for that term to be used by the media to make people soil themselves.
 
2014-04-29 01:22:14 PM  

Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??

Because it's the criminals that have the guns?
I know you knew this and were just being intellectually dishonest, but I figured I'd answer anyway.

You believe that every gun owner in Chicago is a criminal??

I do not, and again, you knew this, but please continue with your logical fallacies in an attempt to make your assertion that guns are bad valid.

Some days,  it's like shooting fish in a barrel. :D


I point out you're not as clever as you think you are and you take a victory lap?
Ok, I'll go along with it I suppose. I support the Special Olympics too.
 
2014-04-29 01:24:56 PM  

Onkel Buck: Facetious_Speciest: ChaosStar

FTFA: "He had bullets strapped across his chest like Rambo, a huge assault rifle and he had a knife," Aiken said in a parking lot where employees were gathering not far from their workplace.

To be fair, it's not necessarily Aiken's fault that he's a moron. He was taught that. All criminal shooters are armed with assault rifles and Glocks.

Rather recently, some dictionaries began defining "assault rifle" as, essentially, "weapon that looks scary kinda like what idiots see on the teevee," because that's how many people use it these days, and many people are ignorant of the actual meaning and history of the term. Now, of course, these same idiots can point to the dictionary and say, "see? assault rifle!", all the while ignoring the fact that it's their own ignorance that stimulated such dumbing-down of the language.

It's one of the more amusing twists in the American firearms debate.

I was standing in line to pay for my coffee this morning and the local Pump N Munch and was looking at the magazine rack and saw a magazine titled "Combat Handguns", and had to chuckle to myself wondering how long it would take for that term to be used by the media to make people soil themselves.


If people haven't already soiled themselves over gun violence, they aren't paying attention.

/sitting in poop
 
2014-04-29 01:27:29 PM  

LaurenAguilera: So... is this going to effect my Prime shipping speeds?


Shoot all you want. we'll send more.
 
2014-04-29 01:28:47 PM  

lostcat: Onkel Buck: Facetious_Speciest: ChaosStar

FTFA: "He had bullets strapped across his chest like Rambo, a huge assault rifle and he had a knife," Aiken said in a parking lot where employees were gathering not far from their workplace.

To be fair, it's not necessarily Aiken's fault that he's a moron. He was taught that. All criminal shooters are armed with assault rifles and Glocks.

Rather recently, some dictionaries began defining "assault rifle" as, essentially, "weapon that looks scary kinda like what idiots see on the teevee," because that's how many people use it these days, and many people are ignorant of the actual meaning and history of the term. Now, of course, these same idiots can point to the dictionary and say, "see? assault rifle!", all the while ignoring the fact that it's their own ignorance that stimulated such dumbing-down of the language.

It's one of the more amusing twists in the American firearms debate.

I was standing in line to pay for my coffee this morning and the local Pump N Munch and was looking at the magazine rack and saw a magazine titled "Combat Handguns", and had to chuckle to myself wondering how long it would take for that term to be used by the media to make people soil themselves.

If people haven't already soiled themselves over gun violence, they aren't paying attention.

/sitting in poop


You sound afraid, you should get a gun.
 
2014-04-29 01:30:28 PM  

Onkel Buck: lostcat: Onkel Buck: Facetious_Speciest: ChaosStar


I was standing in line to pay for my coffee this morning and the local Pump N Munch and was looking at the magazine rack and saw a magazine titled "Combat Handguns", and had to chuckle to myself wondering how long it would take for that term to be used by the media to make people soil themselves.

If people haven't already soiled themselves over gun violence, they aren't paying attention.

/sitting in poop

You sound afraid, you should get a gun.


I'm smart enough to know that getting a gun isn't going to make me any safer.
 
2014-04-29 01:31:20 PM  
I hope they arrest the gun that was used and prosecute it to the fullest extent of the law so guns learn not to kill people.
 
2014-04-29 01:40:24 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: ChaosStar

FTFA: "He had bullets strapped across his chest like Rambo, a huge assault rifle and he had a knife," Aiken said in a parking lot where employees were gathering not far from their workplace.

To be fair, it's not necessarily Aiken's fault that he's a moron. He was taught that. All criminal shooters are armed with assault rifles and Glocks.

Rather recently, some dictionaries began defining "assault rifle" as, essentially, "weapon that looks scary kinda like what idiots see on the teevee," because that's how many people use it these days, and many people are ignorant of the actual meaning and history of the term. Now, of course, these same idiots can point to the dictionary and say, "see? assault rifle!", all the while ignoring the fact that it's their own ignorance that stimulated such dumbing-down of the language.

It's one of the more amusing twists in the American firearms debate.


You're just arguing semantics. And in English, semantics are a shifty business.

The two guns below have very different purposes, in the eyes of most people.

On top is a gun for hunting. You can picture the shooter waiting patiently for the optimal moment, hoping to take a deer down with one, well-placed shot. It has a wooden body and looks natural, folksy, like anything made from wood. It looks like something that is about being part of, and appreciating nature.

On the bottom is a gun for intimidating people and getting off a number of shots quickly, even in close quarters. You can picture the shooter in a uniform, assaulting an enemy position. It's made of metal and rubberized plastic. It looks industrial and utilitarian. Like something that is made to kill as efficiently as possible.

img.fark.net

I don't understand why some gun fans act like people are stupid for categorizing guns based on things other than pure operational specifications. That's what humans do.
 
2014-04-29 01:42:40 PM  

ChaosStar: Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??

Because it's the criminals that have the guns?
I know you knew this and were just being intellectually dishonest, but I figured I'd answer anyway.

You believe that every gun owner in Chicago is a criminal??

I do not, and again, you knew this, but please continue with your logical fallacies in an attempt to make your assertion that guns are bad valid.

Some days,  it's like shooting fish in a barrel. :D

I point out you're not as clever as you think you are and you take a victory lap?
Ok, I'll go along with it I suppose. I support the Special Olympics too.


BURN!!
 
2014-04-29 01:43:38 PM  

AngryDragon: I'm an Egyptian!: Here's what I don't get. A frequent refrain of the supporters of the Second Amendment is the whole "an armed society is a polite society" statement, yet they start on about the shootings in Chicago. What are they shooting with? Bananas? Passion fruit? Pointed sticks? One would assume they were  using firearms. And I think we can also assume that the shootings arent' just one or two shooters. Ergo, many people are armed. I would argue this invalidates that whole argument. Or is that they are more polite as they are shooting? Does it go along the lines of "I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm now need to shoot you." Can someone explain this to me? What about Somalia? Damn near everyone is armed over there. How about Afghanistan? Or Iraq? They had a helluva lot of arms over there. Hell, there was a huge market in the middle of Sadr City where you could get any weapon you desire? Are those areas more polite?

That refrain is usually reserved for law abiding gun owners.  The vast majority of the inner city shootings are people who are acting in commission of a crime, or are prohibited from possessing firearms altogether.  There are millions of law abiding gun owners who will not once in their lifetimes shoot another person.


So how do you explain the violence in Somalia et al? They're following the laws. If guns were the answer, those areas should be the most polite. Maybe it's not guns that make people polite, and the whole argument is a bunch of crap that can be objectively disproved by looking at the evidence.

Let's look at the rates of firearm ownership in the U.S. Link

Now, let's look at rates of firearm deaths in the U.S. Link.

Well whaddaya know! They seem to match up. Not perfectly, mind you, but pretty damn close. Shocker, that. But at least these are polite deaths.

As a disclaimer, I am a firearm owner. I just hate lazy, mindless arguments.
 
2014-04-29 01:45:08 PM  
Ok, let's try that second link again. Serves me right for not previewing.   Link.
 
2014-04-29 01:45:29 PM  
lostcat

You're just arguing semantics.

Actually, I was commenting on a popular semantic shift.
 
2014-04-29 01:46:23 PM  

FarFarAway: It happened in a place that has a mailing address of Kennesaw, GA. That address is, however, outside of the city limits of Kennesaw, and therefore the law you are referring to does not apply to this location. As far as city limits go, this probably happened in unincorporated Cobb County. However, we generally do not refer to places by their city limits, but by their mailing address.


Which is similiar to my home address.  It's listed as one city but I'm a good 10 miles from the city itself but by my address you would think I lived in the city.
 
2014-04-29 01:48:56 PM  

TNel: FarFarAway: It happened in a place that has a mailing address of Kennesaw, GA. That address is, however, outside of the city limits of Kennesaw, and therefore the law you are referring to does not apply to this location. As far as city limits go, this probably happened in unincorporated Cobb County. However, we generally do not refer to places by their city limits, but by their mailing address.

Which is similiar to my home address.  It's listed as one city but I'm a good 10 miles from the city itself but by my address you would think I lived in the city.


Yup. Same goes for my home address. I'm city A mailing address, but nowhere near the city limits. I'm closer to city B, actually, but not inside of their limits either.
 
2014-04-29 01:56:44 PM  

mizchief: Lorelle: sugar_fetus: Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.

Then please explain this:

COBB COUNTY, GA (CBS46) -
A man believed responsible for a shooting at a FedEx warehouse in Kennesaw was found dead inside the building with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities.

The shooting, which was reported at 5:54 a.m., happened at the FedEx located on Grist Lake Road in Kennesaw.

Are you that stupid? City limits aren't the same thing as what people generally call their mailing address.


Are you so stupid that you dont understand that a city's laws STOP AT THE CITY LIMITS?

You think Kennesaw's laws extend beyond the borders of the city? Wow. you need to get back to junior high and take a civics class.
 
2014-04-29 01:57:37 PM  

Lorelle: mizchief: Lorelle: sugar_fetus: Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.

Then please explain this:

COBB COUNTY, GA (CBS46) -
A man believed responsible for a shooting at a FedEx warehouse in Kennesaw was found dead inside the building with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities.

The shooting, which was reported at 5:54 a.m., happened at the FedEx located on Grist Lake Road in Kennesaw.

Are you that stupid? City limits aren't the same thing as what people generally call their mailing address.

In which city did this happen in, then??


None. It's outside the Kennesaw city limits and in Cobb county. Not every place is in a city. postal addresses are not indicative of city boundaries.
 
2014-04-29 02:08:39 PM  

lostcat: I don't understand why some gun fans act like people are stupid for categorizing guns based on things other than pure operational specifications. That's what humans do.


Sorta like categorizing people based on things other than their actions?
You know, things like race, gender, religion, sexual orientation... you're perfectly ok with that right? It being what humans do and all.
 
2014-04-29 02:17:05 PM  

Lorelle: . If it actually happened outside of the city limits, then that
fact should have been indicated in the report


No they will use the postal information of the facility, nobody is going to drill down to what township when they are going to google search the address and get the postal information.  Jesus is this so hard for you?    My old house had a postal address of city A even when I was in the burbs well far away from the city, I had a phone number for city B, and went to city C schools because I was on the border of all 3 but if I killed all of my family members and the news reporters came out to my house they would say I lived in City A.
 
2014-04-29 02:18:33 PM  
For those that don't know the difference between city limits and mailing addresses....

http://www.kennesaw-ga.gov/form-center/category/21-city-maps?downloa d= 1735:city-limits-ap

PDF of city limits...  white area is county land, therefore not in city limits.  and as others said, the (not enforced) gun ownership ordinance, is for homeowners, not businesses.

/works and lives in city limits
 
2014-04-29 02:21:11 PM  
Was at Columbine 15 years ago watching on the sidelines.  Heard nothing but news like this for the last 15 years.

You know what I thought about when I heard this todaY?  I wondered if it would delay my PS4 I shipped yesterday for service.
 
2014-04-29 02:23:38 PM  

Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??

Because it's the criminals that have the guns?
I know you knew this and were just being intellectually dishonest, but I figured I'd answer anyway.

You believe that every gun owner in Chicago is a criminal??

I do not, and again, you knew this, but please continue with your logical fallacies in an attempt to make your assertion that guns are bad valid.

Some days,  it's like shooting fish in a barrel. :D

I point out you're not as clever as you think you are and you take a victory lap?
Ok, I'll go along with it I suppose. I support the Special Olympics too.

It totally went over your head, didn't it? No worries, that's what makes it so much fun. :)

mizchief: Lorelle: mizchief: Lorelle: sugar_fetus: Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.

Then please explain this:

COBB COUNTY, GA (CBS46) -
A man believed responsible for a shooting at a FedEx warehouse in Kennesaw was found dead inside the building with ...


Ok you got me, nice troll. I even went to the trouble to pull up a map to verify that it was actually outside the city limits. Not really that hard to figure out, only so many major FedEx warehouses within the area.

I typically 

Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: ChaosStar: Lorelle: Click Click D'oh: Lorelle: Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You had to go back to 2010 to find 3 firearms deaths and you are really going to trumpet this as the failure of firearms proliferation to create safety?  Meanwhile, in Chicago...

If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime, then why is crime and the number of shootings so high in Chicago??

Because it's the criminals that have the guns?
I know you knew this and were just being intellectually dishonest, but I figured I'd answer anyway.

You believe that every gun owner in Chicago is a criminal??

I do not, and again, you knew this, but please continue with your logical fallacies in an attempt to make your assertion that guns are bad valid.

Some days,  it's like shooting fish in a barrel. :D

I point out you're not as clever as you think you are and you take a victory lap?
Ok, I'll go along with it I suppose. I support the Special Olympics too.

It totally went over your head, didn't it? No worries, that's what makes it so much fun. :)

mizchief: Lorelle: mizchief: Lorelle: sugar_fetus: Lorelle: JackieRabbit: Holy crap. I live in Cobb County and this is the first I have heard of this (though I do ignore local news media). For those who may not know, Kennesaw is a town that has an ordinance that requires every household to own a gun.

This is the place that gun worshippers always point to as being a "success" because of that law. Funny, it didn't stop the shooting that occurred today, nor did it stop a mass shooting in 2010 that resulted in 3 deaths.

You do realize that the airport, and the FedEx facility are *not* in the city of Kennesaw? Kennesaw laws do not apply there.

Try again.

Then please explain this:

COBB COUNTY, GA (CBS46) -
A man believed responsible for a shooting at a FedEx warehouse in Kennesaw was found dead inside the building with ...


Did that big block of text make you feel any less stupid?
 
2014-04-29 02:28:09 PM  

Lorelle: It totally went over your head, didn't it? No worries, that's what makes it so much fun. :)


Oh certainly, because using a standard celebratory catch phrase and then pretending you said it in a ironic fashion when you're called out on it clearly goes far beyond my comprehension you wily little hipster you.
It's certainly not your typical MO for gun threads in any way is it?
 
2014-04-29 02:30:12 PM  
Guns don't kill people.  People with guns kill people.
 
2014-04-29 02:37:27 PM  

Lorelle: BTW, you didn't answer the question. In which city did this happen.?


Dude, we love you, but you should just stop.

There's thousands of Unincorporated Places in the US.  I live in one.  Glenn Dale, MD.  We have a Post Office, but no government.  Next town over is Bowie.  There's some forty or fifty houses in the space between us that are not within the Glenn Dale area, nor within Bowie's city limits.  Where are those houses located?  They all have mail service, though.  The ones that are in the Glenn Dale zip code get their mail from the Glenn Dale Post Office.  The ones outside it (in some cases on the opposite side of the same street!) get their mail from Bowie.  But they are not subject to the taxation authority of Bowie, nor do the Bowie police have jurisdiction there.  Bowie's trying to annex them (and Glenn Dale as well) but none of us live in Bowie, now.
 
2014-04-29 02:38:30 PM  
Let's see...........export jobs overseas for the past 30 years,etc, destroying the middle class and causing huge unemployment and disenfranchising the voter so that he no longer has any input into what used to be his government which is owned by the wealthy and big business = increase in gun and other violence.


whoda' thunk???
 
2014-04-29 02:40:09 PM  

darcsun: Was at Columbine 15 years ago watching on the sidelines.  Heard nothing but news like this for the last 15 years.

You know what I thought about when I heard this todaY?  I wondered if it would delay my PS4 I shipped yesterday for service.



you won't feel that way when it comes to your doorstep one day................
 
2014-04-29 02:44:58 PM  
Maybe i'll get lucky one day and 'muricans will kill themselves off and other nations can use this extinct Nation as a warning about unchecked greed and selfishness. a warning about what happens when big business and the wealthy take over The People's government for their own selfish greedy interests.


iow, Representative Democracy good.  Plutocracy/Fascism bad.
 
2014-04-29 02:45:18 PM  

Deucednuisance: Lorelle: BTW, you didn't answer the question. In which city did this happen.?

Dude, we love you, but you should just stop.

There's thousands of Unincorporated Places in the US.  I live in one.  Glenn Dale, MD.  We have a Post Office, but no government.  Next town over is Bowie.  There's some forty or fifty houses in the space between us that are not within the Glenn Dale area, nor within Bowie's city limits.  Where are those houses located?  They all have mail service, though.  The ones that are in the Glenn Dale zip code get their mail from the Glenn Dale Post Office.  The ones outside it (in some cases on the opposite side of the same street!) get their mail from Bowie.  But they are not subject to the taxation authority of Bowie, nor do the Bowie police have jurisdiction there.  Bowie's trying to annex them (and Glenn Dale as well) but none of us live in Bowie, now.


Jeez Louise, even when you spell it out for these people, they STILL can't see...
 
2014-04-29 02:48:24 PM  

lostcat: If people haven't already soiled themselves over gun violence, they aren't paying attention.


That sounds like a sane reaction
 
2014-04-29 02:48:48 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Babwa Wawa

FWIW, place I've been off-post in the US has had a higher ratio of carrying to non-carrying people than a military base.

That's kinda the point. You won't run into random people carrying weapons once you get in. No one can carry if it's not part of their job at the time, very much unlike the civilian world.


I do not know where you hang out, but the overall density of armed people is higher on post than off post in every place I've ever lived.
 
2014-04-29 02:49:50 PM  
The Big Business/Wealthy owned "news" media are going to use these shoot 'em up events as an excuse to take guns away from the other 98% of 'muricans. just like 9/11 was used to take away much of our Freedoms these days.....

that way, these same people will own all your asses even more.  you won't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. and if you threaten that We The People will take our government back, they'll say 'with what, a slingshot?'

ain't Freedom great!
 
2014-04-29 02:51:48 PM  
Babwa Wawa

I do not know where you hang out, but the overall density of armed people is higher on post than off post in every place I've ever lived.

I live in the American South, in one of the most violent cities in the nation. Pendleton (as an example) was far safer but had (to appearances) no more firearms being carried on a regular basis.
 
2014-04-29 02:59:04 PM  

Linux_Yes: Let's see...........export jobs overseas for the past 30 years,etc, destroying the middle class and causing huge unemployment and disenfranchising the voter so that he no longer has any input into what used to be his government which is owned by the wealthy and big business = increase in gun and other violence.


whoda' thunk???


Except that violent crime - including those committed with a firearm - have gone down substantially in the last 20+ years. So, yeah, your point is wrong.
 
2014-04-29 03:01:43 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Marcintosh: You are absolutely correct - there is no end in sight because there will be no end to this because there is always money in this. people have been murdering each other since we learned how to pick up sticks.

FTFY

ok then, just keep pullin' that trigger because a trigger's the same as a stick.

My prior comments stand without correction.
 
2014-04-29 03:04:26 PM  
This is 'murica in about 20 years.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GKqWHl7xn8   (SFW)
 
2014-04-29 03:04:33 PM  

AngryDragon: KidneyStone: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: BeatrixK: I'm just so very glad there was a responsible gun owner there to save the day...

Responsible gun owners don't carry where it's illegal to carry, and a FedEx facility located at an airport is most likely a gun free zone.

It is most definitely a gun free zone.

Of course it is.  Gun free zones are the result of people wanting to "feel" safe, without actually doing anything to make themselves safer.

The results of this paper support the hypothesis that concealed
handgun or shall issue laws reduce the number of multiple victim
public shootings. Attackers are deterred and the number of people
injured or killed per attack is also reduced, thus for the first time
providing evidence that the harm from crimes that still occur can be
mitigated. - University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law & Economics Working Paper No. 73

The arguments for them are emotional and nothing else.  The growing body of evidence strongly supports that "gun-free zones" cost lives.


And i completely agree with that.

The local news here (I live fairly close) just said he was carrying a shotgun and nothing else.  Gotta love the early "he was carrying an assault rifle" reports.  Prolly a tactical shotgun but it's still just a shotgun.
 
2014-04-29 03:12:53 PM  

ChaosStar: lostcat: I don't understand why some gun fans act like people are stupid for categorizing guns based on things other than pure operational specifications. That's what humans do.

Sorta like categorizing people based on things other than their actions?
You know, things like race, gender, religion, sexual orientation... you're perfectly ok with that right? It being what humans do and all.


It's more like this: Link


Except you replace "whore's uniform" with "military style assault rifle with CQC features"


If you do not understand the plain truth that owning and using military style weapons makes it look like you only want your gun to kill people with and nothing else, and it is perfectly sane, reasonable and ordinary for others to mistrust you because of that, then you are either arguing from bad faith or you are as dumb as a box of hammers.


If I see a riced out hatch back with a vTec sticker on it, i assume the owner wants to race.


If I see a roided out meathead in Tap Out gear I assume he wants to fight


If I see a club kid dressed like a club kid and acting strangely, I assume they are on drugs.


If I see 3-7 African American men of adult age standing around in a poor neighborhood with conspicuous gang-oriented fashion choices, I do not assume they are the local Kiwanis fundraising.


If I see a woman in blue scrubs and a name tag ID walk by, I assume she is a doctor or a nurse.


If I see a man in an Armed Forces uniform I assume he is a member of the military


If I see a rifle that looks like the one that man is supposed to carry as part of his job, I assume its purpose is to help out with that job: kill humans as efficiently as possible when needed.


oh sorry, it's "only a semi-automatic" battlefield weapon. that makes allllllll the difference.
 
2014-04-29 03:18:47 PM  

Lorelle: Deucednuisance: Lorelle: BTW, you didn't answer the question. In which city did this happen.?

Dude, we love you, but you should just stop.

There's thousands of Unincorporated Places in the US.  I live in one.  Glenn Dale, MD.  We have a Post Office, but no government.  Next town over is Bowie.  There's some forty or fifty houses in the space between us that are not within the Glenn Dale area, nor within Bowie's city limits.  Where are those houses located?  They all have mail service, though.  The ones that are in the Glenn Dale zip code get their mail from the Glenn Dale Post Office.  The ones outside it (in some cases on the opposite side of the same street!) get their mail from Bowie.  But they are not subject to the taxation authority of Bowie, nor do the Bowie police have jurisdiction there.  Bowie's trying to annex them (and Glenn Dale as well) but none of us live in Bowie, now.

Jeez Louise, even when you spell it out for these people, they STILL can't see...


I'm sure that's why modmins deleted your comments.
 
2014-04-29 03:28:37 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: ChaosStar

FTFA: "He had bullets strapped across his chest like Rambo, a huge assault rifle and he had a knife," Aiken said in a parking lot where employees were gathering not far from their workplace.

To be fair, it's not necessarily Aiken's fault that he's a moron. He was taught that. All criminal shooters are armed with assault rifles and Glocks.

Rather recently, some dictionaries began defining "assault rifle" as, essentially, "weapon that looks scary kinda like what idiots see on the teevee," because that's how many people use it these days, and many people are ignorant of the actual meaning and history of the term. Now, of course, these same idiots can point to the dictionary and say, "see? assault rifle!", all the while ignoring the fact that it's their own ignorance that stimulated such dumbing-down of the language.

It's one of the more amusing twists in the American firearms debate.


I see we're ridiculing people for not noting the exact type and model of gun the crazed lunatic is firing as they flee for their lives now.
 
2014-04-29 03:28:42 PM  

skozlaw: Kit Fister: I bow to your superior intellect and greater knowledge of all things.

You get on with yo' bad self. It's not my fault you didn't actually read any of your own articles before you posted them and I won't apologize for the fact that I did take the time to read them. If you didn't want anybody to actually read them, you shouldn't have posted them.


No, actually, I glanced over them since I thought they were topical based on the summary, and posted them. You're right, my links were in error, and therefore I apologized. Nothing earth-shattering about that.
 
2014-04-29 03:33:00 PM  
HeartBurnKid

I see we're ridiculing people for not noting the exact type and model of gun the crazed lunatic is firing as they flee for their lives now.

Are we? Knock yourself out, I decline to participate. I was pointing out a shift in popular definition driven by ignorance.
 
2014-04-29 03:38:54 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: HeartBurnKid

I see we're ridiculing people for not noting the exact type and model of gun the crazed lunatic is firing as they flee for their lives now.

Are we? Knock yourself out, I decline to participate. I was pointing out a shift in popular definition driven by ignorance.


And that's why you called Ms. Aiken a moron for not realizing the gun was, in fact, not an assault rifle while she was fleeing for her life?

/you also called her a man, but hey, that's a simple mistake anybody can make
//and unlike you, I'm not about to start calling people names for making simple mistakes
 
2014-04-29 03:45:50 PM  

willfullyobscure: ChaosStar: lostcat: I don't understand why some gun fans act like people are stupid for categorizing guns based on things other than pure operational specifications. That's what humans do.

Sorta like categorizing people based on things other than their actions?
You know, things like race, gender, religion, sexual orientation... you're perfectly ok with that right? It being what humans do and all.

It's more like this: Link


Except you replace "whore's uniform" with "military style assault rifle with CQC features"


If you do not understand the plain truth that owning and using military style weapons makes it look like you only want your gun to kill people with and nothing else, and it is perfectly sane, reasonable and ordinary for others to mistrust you because of that, then you are either arguing from bad faith or you are as dumb as a box of hammers.


If I see a riced out hatch back with a vTec sticker on it, i assume the owner wants to race.


If I see a roided out meathead in Tap Out gear I assume he wants to fight


If I see a club kid dressed like a club kid and acting strangely, I assume they are on drugs.


If I see 3-7 African American men of adult age standing around in a poor neighborhood with conspicuous gang-oriented fashion choices, I do not assume they are the local Kiwanis fundraising.


If I see a woman in blue scrubs and a name tag ID walk by, I assume she is a doctor or a nurse.


If I see a man in an Armed Forces uniform I assume he is a member of the military


If I see a rifle that looks like the one that man is supposed to carry as part of his job, I assume its purpose is to help out with that job: kill humans as efficiently as possible when needed.


oh sorry, it's "only a semi-automatic" battlefield weapon. that makes allllllll the difference.


I'm not sure whether to point out that your assumptions mean less than nothing, that your ignorance on the subject hardly qualifies you to speak for everyone else, or that I have you shaded in troll orange so why am I even wasting my time?
/I'm still curious what a "military style" weapon is
 
2014-04-29 03:48:19 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Facetious_Speciest: HeartBurnKid

I see we're ridiculing people for not noting the exact type and model of gun the crazed lunatic is firing as they flee for their lives now.

Are we? Knock yourself out, I decline to participate. I was pointing out a shift in popular definition driven by ignorance.

And that's why you called Ms. Aiken a moron for not realizing the gun was, in fact, not an assault rifle while she was fleeing for her life?

/you also called her a man, but hey, that's a simple mistake anybody can make
//and unlike you, I'm not about to start calling people names for making simple mistakes


Mistaking a shotgun for an "assault rifle" is not a simple mistake. It's a display of ignorant parroting.
 
2014-04-29 03:53:15 PM  
HeartBurnKid

And that's why you called Ms. Aiken a moron for not realizing the gun was, in fact, not an assault rifle while she was fleeing for her life?

That was a bit harsh. I apologise. Aiken is ignorant, not necessarily a moron.
 
2014-04-29 04:02:54 PM  

willfullyobscure: ChaosStar: lostcat: I don't understand why some gun fans act like people are stupid for categorizing guns based on things other than pure operational specifications. That's what humans do.

Sorta like categorizing people based on things other than their actions?
You know, things like race, gender, religion, sexual orientation... you're perfectly ok with that right? It being what humans do and all.

It's more like this: Link


Except you replace "whore's uniform" with "military style assault rifle with CQC features"


If you do not understand the plain truth that owning and using military style weapons makes it look like you only want your gun to kill people with and nothing else, and it is perfectly sane, reasonable and ordinary for others to mistrust you because of that, then you are either arguing from bad faith or you are as dumb as a box of hammers.



So by your logic if you see someone wearing a hoodie with baggy pants, they want people to think they are in a gang and dangerous, so you should call the cops on them right away if you see them with a bulge in their pants that might be a gun?
 
2014-04-29 04:10:23 PM  

mizchief: willfullyobscure: ChaosStar: lostcat: I don't understand why some gun fans act like people are stupid for categorizing guns based on things other than pure operational specifications. That's what humans do.

Sorta like categorizing people based on things other than their actions?
You know, things like race, gender, religion, sexual orientation... you're perfectly ok with that right? It being what humans do and all.

It's more like this: Link


Except you replace "whore's uniform" with "military style assault rifle with CQC features"


If you do not understand the plain truth that owning and using military style weapons makes it look like you only want your gun to kill people with and nothing else, and it is perfectly sane, reasonable and ordinary for others to mistrust you because of that, then you are either arguing from bad faith or you are as dumb as a box of hammers.


So by your logic if you see someone wearing a hoodie with baggy pants, they want people to think they are in a gang and dangerous, so you should call the cops on them right away if you see them with a bulge in their pants that might be a gun?


done and done
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/ksu-reportedly-on-lockdown/nfhky/
 
2014-04-29 04:12:47 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: AngryDragon: I'm an Egyptian!: Here's what I don't get. A frequent refrain of the supporters of the Second Amendment is the whole "an armed society is a polite society" statement, yet they start on about the shootings in Chicago. What are they shooting with? Bananas? Passion fruit? Pointed sticks? One would assume they were  using firearms. And I think we can also assume that the shootings arent' just one or two shooters. Ergo, many people are armed. I would argue this invalidates that whole argument. Or is that they are more polite as they are shooting? Does it go along the lines of "I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm now need to shoot you." Can someone explain this to me? What about Somalia? Damn near everyone is armed over there. How about Afghanistan? Or Iraq? They had a helluva lot of arms over there. Hell, there was a huge market in the middle of Sadr City where you could get any weapon you desire? Are those areas more polite?

That refrain is usually reserved for law abiding gun owners.  The vast majority of the inner city shootings are people who are acting in commission of a crime, or are prohibited from possessing firearms altogether.  There are millions of law abiding gun owners who will not once in their lifetimes shoot another person.

So how do you explain the violence in Somalia et al? They're following the laws. If guns were the answer, those areas should be the most polite. Maybe it's not guns that make people polite, and the whole argument is a bunch of crap that can be objectively disproved by looking at the evidence.

Let's look at the rates of firearm ownership in the U.S. Link

Now, let's look at rates of firearm deaths in the U.S. Link.

Well whaddaya know! They seem to match up. Not perfectly, mind you, but pretty damn close. Shocker, that. But at least these are polite deaths.

As a disclaimer, I am a firearm owner. I just hate lazy, mindless arguments.


Feel free to read the document linked in my other post to a study by the University of Chicago.  Or you can just continue to link webpages and draw inadequate conclusions.  Your choice.
 
2014-04-29 04:14:19 PM  

Lorelle: Jeez Louise, even when you spell it out for these people, they STILL can't see...


Posted before I saw you spell it out.  You are a very naughty girl, and should be punished.

SAY IT!
 
2014-04-29 05:10:19 PM  

ChaosStar: HeartBurnKid: Facetious_Speciest: HeartBurnKid

I see we're ridiculing people for not noting the exact type and model of gun the crazed lunatic is firing as they flee for their lives now.

Are we? Knock yourself out, I decline to participate. I was pointing out a shift in popular definition driven by ignorance.

And that's why you called Ms. Aiken a moron for not realizing the gun was, in fact, not an assault rifle while she was fleeing for her life?

/you also called her a man, but hey, that's a simple mistake anybody can make
//and unlike you, I'm not about to start calling people names for making simple mistakes

Mistaking a shotgun for an "assault rifle" is not a simple mistake. It's a display of ignorant parroting.


Facetious_Speciest: HeartBurnKid

And that's why you called Ms. Aiken a moron for not realizing the gun was, in fact, not an assault rifle while she was fleeing for her life?

That was a bit harsh. I apologise. Aiken is ignorant, not necessarily a moron.


Well, if either of you are ever in a situation where you are fleeing an armed lunatic, I hope you retain the presence of mind to correctly identify the type of gun the armed lunatic is waving around as you flee for your life.  Otherwise, you'd be a massive hypocrite.
 
2014-04-29 05:37:40 PM  
HeartBurnKid

Well, if either of you are ever in a situation where you are fleeing an armed lunatic, I hope you retain the presence of mind to correctly identify the type of gun the armed lunatic is waving around as you flee for your life. Otherwise, you'd be a massive hypocrite.

Are you trying to be amusing by misusing the word "hypocrite?"
 
2014-04-29 05:46:20 PM  

MFK: Bit'O'Gristle: dittybopper: Babwa Wawa: KingKauff: When the first mass shooting in a bar or church happens, THEN you can spew the "South-hate"

But I thought the whole point of that law is to prevent mass shootings.

Armed society being polite society and all that sh*t.

I'm willing to bet that:

1. It's illegal to possess a firearm in that area of the airport, and/or
2. It's against FedEx rules to be armed on the job.

So in this case, it's really about an unarmed pocket of society being vulnerable.

In fact, if you go back and look at the vast majority of mass shootings, they usually tend to happen where guns aren't allowed:  Schools, government buildings, and businesses where carrying is forbidden, and jurisdictions where carrying is often quite restricted or banned completely*.

But then, you *KNEW* that already, didn't you?

*The last "no-issue" state in the US was Illinois.  They are now "Shall-Issue".

/i could not agree more.  Mass shootings are generally at "soft targets" where most if not all the victims aren't capable of defending themselves against a firearm wielding wack job.  That is why the shooters pick them.  You wouldn't walk into a bank were all the tellers / public is armed and try to rob it.  You would be riddled in seconds.  They go for soft targets to kill many people before killing themselves.  They are cowards, and take the cowardly way out by killing innocent defenseless victims.

yeah... like military bases.

Look dude, no matter how much you want it, we're not going to arm this society to the teeth just because you people have these weird gun fantasies.


/soldiers in military bases dont walk around armed. You would know this if you had served like i did. The guns are locked up in the armory. Try knowing what you're talking about before you post. You'll look less stupid.
 
2014-04-29 05:55:00 PM  

Lorelle: If you're going to claim that more guns = less crime...


I'm not.
 
2014-04-29 05:56:33 PM  

willfullyobscure: Bit'O'Gristle: .

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table.


What was it? I like a nice .380 PPK for a walk around firearm, it's a fantastic size, anyone can shoot one; and it is was good enough for James Bond, it's good enough for me


/it was indeed a semi auto 380. PPK. Not too big, and she can fire it accurately. Even took the gun courses, and is VERY SAFE with it.  Pocket purse ftw.
 
2014-04-29 06:01:11 PM  
Hey Southerners, how's that "guns for everyone" thing workin for ya?

/idiots
 
2014-04-29 06:01:50 PM  

frontwheeldriver: Bit'O'Gristle: I have said this before, and though some don't agree i don't care. My opinion is as valid as theirs. Here goes.

The guns are out there, there is no getting them back. The world is full of some really farked up people who are just waiting for trigger to set them off to go on a rampage, and kill innocent victims. You have a choice. Choose to be able to defend yourself, and your family / property, or ...choose not to. The police (as i have been one) generally get there too late to do anything about an active shooter. The guy usually guns himself before they get there. So be a victim with NO WAY to defend yourself except cowering like a biatch and hoping not to get shot, or ...running and hiding. Those are your 2 choices.

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table. And isn't it a valid right to be able to defend ourselves? Is there a more natural law that applies to us more? If a guy comes up and slugs you, you are going to use your fists and give him what he just gave you. You're not going to stand there and let him punch you over and over. Why should someone with a gun be any different? In fact, it should be MORE applicable because this person could kill you, not just give you a black eye. The right to defend ourselves is not only a law, its a natural mental stand that one takes in the face of danger.

Hate all you want, but the guns are out there, bought legally or not. The choice to have the ability to defend yourself is totally up to you. If you choose to not have a gun, i totally respect your choice, if you choose to have the ability to defend your life, or other lives, i respect that as well.

So do you choose to defend your life, or your spawn's life by choosing a method which explicitly damages or ends life, innocent or guilty? Do y ...


/yes, youre totally right..its much more human to just lay there and take it. Rolls eyes. Be a victim then, that is your choice.
 
2014-04-29 06:08:54 PM  
FedEx clerk Liza Aiken told CBS46 reporter Craig Bell she saw the shooter, whom she had problems with as recently as last Thursday. "He had bullets strapped across his chest like Rambo, a huge assault rifle and he had a knife," Aiken said in a parking lot where employees were gathering not far from their workplace. Before she could continue, a woman wearing a FedEx jacket told Aiken to stop talking and led her away. Aiken told Bell the shooter was taking a laser package scanner and flashing it in her eyes. She reported to management and he was verbally reprimanded. She also said the shooter didn't see her and is thankful he didn't because if he did, she is not sure what would have happened.
 
2014-04-29 06:37:33 PM  
Q: Why do Americans need to own guns?

A: Other Americans.
 
2014-04-29 06:41:51 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: willfullyobscure: Bit'O'Gristle: .

My daughter is in college, and i bought her a gun to carry in her purse. She now has the option to choose not to be a victim, but...able to defend herself. At least now she has a chance to live, instead of being gunned down like a dog shivering under a table.


What was it? I like a nice .380 PPK for a walk around firearm, it's a fantastic size, anyone can shoot one; and it is was good enough for James Bond, it's good enough for me

/it was indeed a semi auto 380. PPK. Not too big, and she can fire it accurately. Even took the gun courses, and is VERY SAFE with it.  Pocket purse ftw.


Nice one. Some pistols hang around past their sell by date thanks to nostalgia and hard to fix wrong ideas but that gun is a classic for a reason. As long as they keep making .380 ACP that will be a great platform for any shooter.
 
2014-04-29 06:44:08 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: HeartBurnKid

Well, if either of you are ever in a situation where you are fleeing an armed lunatic, I hope you retain the presence of mind to correctly identify the type of gun the armed lunatic is waving around as you flee for your life. Otherwise, you'd be a massive hypocrite.

Are you trying to be amusing by misusing the word "hypocrite?"


Well, you called this lady "ignorant" and a "moron" for failing to tell a shotgun from an assault rifle in a crisis situation, so I can only assume you have a perfect eidetic memory for gun details in such a situation.  Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite.  I believe I'm using the word correctly, no matter how badly you choose to misunderstand it.
 
2014-04-29 06:50:12 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Facetious_Speciest: HeartBurnKid

Well, if either of you are ever in a situation where you are fleeing an armed lunatic, I hope you retain the presence of mind to correctly identify the type of gun the armed lunatic is waving around as you flee for your life. Otherwise, you'd be a massive hypocrite.

Are you trying to be amusing by misusing the word "hypocrite?"

Well, you called this lady "ignorant" and a "moron" for failing to tell a shotgun from an assault rifle in a crisis situation, so I can only assume you have a perfect eidetic memory for gun details in such a situation.  Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite.  I believe I'm using the word correctly, no matter how badly you choose to misunderstand it.


Crisis or not, any idiot should be able to tell the difference between a shotgun and a rifle just by the sound of the discharge.

"Buy a shotgun." --Joe Biden
 
2014-04-29 07:37:58 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: soldiers in military bases dont walk around armed. You would know this if you had served like i did. The guns are locked up in the armory. Try knowing what you're talking about before you post. You'll look less stupid.


That's true, but the ratio of MP to soldier on post is far higher than police to civilian off post.

Regardless of how it's achieved, and whether sidearms are regulated on post, the reality is that military posts have more armed people per square mile than any place I've seen off post in the US.
 
2014-04-29 08:55:56 PM  

TNel: I'm sure that's why modmins deleted your comments.


Hmmm....so I notice. Apparently they support fun control,

Deucednuisance: Lorelle: Jeez Louise, even when you spell it out for these people, they STILL can't see...

Posted before I saw you spell it out.  You are a very naughty girl, and should be punished.

SAY IT!


Say what?? I didn't say anything bad, just pointed out the glaring truth.
 
2014-04-29 09:27:00 PM  
HeartBurnKid

Ok. You might want to use a dictionary.

/pat, pat
 
2014-04-29 09:40:59 PM  

amindtat: Georgia? What a surprise...


The United States? What a surprise...

What the hell has happened to America? This is seems to be happening every month now. No other advanced society is experiencing these incidents in such numbers.
 
2014-04-29 09:46:11 PM  
media.cmgdigital.com
 
2014-04-29 09:48:40 PM  

MFK: yeah... like military bases.

Look dude, no matter how much you want it, we're not going to arm this society to the teeth just because you people have these weird gun fantasies.


lol, look dude, no matter how much you want it, we're not going to do what the people with no guns demand.
 
2014-04-29 10:38:51 PM  
static.giantbomb.com
 
2014-04-29 11:21:51 PM  
So, were any minds changed today?
 
2014-04-30 10:42:38 AM  

s2s2s2: doctor wu: If everyone there had an Uzi this wouldn't have happened!


/too soon?

Not soon enough. Get them those Uzis. Seriously, do you think everyone else's being armed wouldn't have made this fool think twice about doing this? People do this to inflict damage, not to go get shot down right away.

I know it's an unpopular argument, and I'd love a gun free society, but if you know you are walking into an "all gun zone" you probably aren't going to do the disgruntled shooter routine.


You're right. If absolutely everyone had guns mental illness, temporary insanity, domestic abuse, just to name a few of the situations that lead up to murder, would disappear.
 
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