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(Mother Jones)   Let's play 'who said it' with Donald Sterling and Donald Trump to see who has eaten more crow when it comes to business, race, and sex   (motherjones.com) divider line 91
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2014-04-29 08:21:17 AM  
So i've figured out the parallel between Cliven Bundy and Sterling.

Bundy:

"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," Bundy said Saturday, according to the Times, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids - and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch - they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do."

"And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he continued. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."


Donald Sterling, who is no republican:

"I support them and give them food, and clothes, and cars, and houses,"

Yes, I know he is registered as a republican in California.  But i'm sorry, republicans don't donate money to Gray Davis.  He was about to win an NAACP Lifetime Achievement Award.  His second one.  How many capital R republicans get two of those?  He donated to Patrick Leahy.  He donated to Bill Bradley.  He's a Hollywood liberal elitist.

Sterling illustrates perfectly what Cliven Bundy was trying to explain.  Here is Sterling, and the Clippers are his plantation.  By all intents and purposes, he appears to have the best interests of blacks at heart.  But, really, he is the democrat version of a racist.  He doesn't view blacks as equals.  He doesn't want them to be seen as equal with him.  He wants to own them.  He wants to control them.  He uses blacks as pawns on the back of whose work he gains wealth and power.  He thinks he is being charitable by giving them 'food and clothes; cars and houses'.

That was what Cliven Bundy was trying to explain.  Bundy didn't agree with it.  Bundy didn't think it was right or just.

Not all democrats are like that.  But that is the effect of their policies - whether intended or not.
 
2014-04-29 08:38:57 AM  

SlothB77: Yes, I know he is registered as a republican in California. But i'm sorry, republicans don't donate money to Gray Davis. He was about to win an NAACP Lifetime Achievement Award. His second one. How many capital R republicans get two of those? He donated to Patrick Leahy. He donated to Bill Bradley. He's a Hollywood liberal elitist.


25 years ago he donated $2,000 to former NBA player Bill Bradley, therefore he is Calvin Candie and Blake Griffin is his Hilde.
 
2014-04-29 08:44:20 AM  

kronicfeld: 25 years ago he donated $2,000 to former NBA player Bill Bradley, therefore he is Calvin Candie and Blake Griffin is his Hilde.


i was thinking chris paul was hilde.
 
2014-04-29 09:15:08 AM  

SlothB77: kronicfeld: 25 years ago he donated $2,000 to former NBA player Bill Bradley, therefore he is Calvin Candie and Blake Griffin is his Hilde.

i was thinking chris paul was hilde.


Griffin is prettier.
 
2014-04-29 09:21:08 AM  

SlothB77: Yes, I know he is registered as a republican in California.  But i'm sorry, republicans don't donate money to Gray Davis.  He was about to win an NAACP Lifetime Achievement Award.  His second one.  How many capital R republicans get two of those?  He donated to Patrick Leahy.  He donated to Bill Bradley.  He's a Hollywood liberal elitist.


I'll accept he's not a dyed in the wool Republican.  But he's not a liberal Democrat either.

He's a wealthy operator who knows which palms to grease.  It's not much more complicated than that.
 
2014-04-29 10:00:13 AM  
Let's be fair and throw a bunch of quotes in there from Rev Al to make it more interesting.
 
2014-04-29 10:00:15 AM  
A racist and a racist apologist.
 
2014-04-29 10:01:49 AM  
How about we tie both of them up and throw them over a cliff?

Problem solved.
 
2014-04-29 10:03:50 AM  

zepher: Let's be fair and throw a bunch of quotes in there from Rev Al to make it more interesting.


Why do racist apologists keep pretending that Al Sharpton speaks for all African Americans?
 
2014-04-29 10:07:09 AM  
God, but the media is certainly having a heyday with this idiot. Oh, and he was set up. His fifth wife is about to divorce him and has a lawsuit pending against his girlfriend. I'm betting a deal was cut with the girlfriend to wear a wire and have this conversation in exchange for dropping the law suit and getting some cash from the divorce settlement.

And what the hell can the NBA do to an owner that won't unfairly hurt the Clipper players? Sterling will get a fine and a slap on the wrist. Everyone now knows he's an ignorant racist. But he has been something of a buffoon for a long time, so this shouldn't be a surprise. But we were running short on things to be OUTRAGED about this week.
 
2014-04-29 10:08:06 AM  
The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation, not stumping in front of a press conference waving an American flag.
If each of us were help up to public ridicule for comments made in private, there would be probable cause to burn any one down to the ground. The guy is a a-hole of the highest order, but he is entitled to his own bigoted thoughts, as long as his actions in the outside world do not manifest those thoughts.

I can't believe I'm defending him, but I'm tired of people being fired over a thought or statement.
 
2014-04-29 10:15:16 AM  

exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation, not stumping in front of a press conference waving an American flag.
If each of us were help up to public ridicule for comments made in private, there would be probable cause to burn any one down to the ground. The guy is a a-hole of the highest order, but he is entitled to his own bigoted thoughts, as long as his actions in the outside world do not manifest those thoughts.

I can't believe I'm defending him, but I'm tired of people being fired over a thought or statement.


You're welcome to defend that he has the right to his beliefs, no matter how wrong they may be.  I agree with you on this.

But now that they're public they've become disruptive to the NBA and the business in which they're engaged in.  The NBA has been smart enough to make it so that they have legal grounds to mitigate such things.

In great part the NBA gravy train is just too rich for him to not get booted off rather than take any risk of revenue loss.
 
2014-04-29 10:16:14 AM  
I don't care who said what. Maybe Trump and Sterling are the same person. Have they ever been seen together?
 
2014-04-29 10:20:52 AM  
What if Donald Sterling was the same age he is now but looked like he was 17, continually attended high school and was racist against werewolves? Then I think its a love story for the ages.
 
2014-04-29 10:25:44 AM  

exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation


Yes, and whoever made the recording violated the Wiretap Act and may be subject to both criminal prosecution and civil liability. Whoever did this is more stupid than Sterling.
 
2014-04-29 10:27:28 AM  
How about that NAACP?  What a fantastic group advancing black people's causes by honoring guys like Sterling, not once but twice.  Show me the money NAACP.
 
2014-04-29 10:31:32 AM  

exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation, not stumping in front of a press conference waving an American flag.
If each of us were help up to public ridicule for comments made in private, there would be probable cause to burn any one down to the ground. The guy is a a-hole of the highest order, but he is entitled to his own bigoted thoughts, as long as his actions in the outside world do not manifest those thoughts.

I can't believe I'm defending him, but I'm tired of people being fired over a thought or statement.


Elgin Baylor, Clippers General Manager for 22 years, sued him for discrimination. Donald Sterling's "thoughts" have and are hurting people.
 
2014-04-29 10:33:52 AM  

SlothB77: Donald Sterling, who is no republican:

"I support them and give them food, and clothes, and cars, and houses,"

Yes, I know he is registered as a republican in California.


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2014-04-29 10:33:52 AM  

JackieRabbit: exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation

Yes, and whoever made the recording violated the Wiretap Act and may be subject to both criminal prosecution and civil liability. Whoever did this is more stupid than Sterling.


I thought this was all based on video taken on a mobile phone, which--if I'm correct in my initial assumption--would mean he knew he was being recorded and did not object. Which all means that the wiretapping law wasn't broken because he more or less consented.

/Not a lawyer
 
2014-04-29 10:35:20 AM  
SlothB77: words

Here is a simple question about Bundy's argument: do you believe it is true that minorities are disproportionately given access to federal subsidies, and do you believe that minorities are disproportionately inclined to use such subsidies as an excuse to be lazy and avoid self-actualizing compared to white people who use such subsidies as an opportunity to better themselves.

Because the accusation that federal subsidies are the US government attempt to make blacks docile and willing to subjugate themselves to government control hits a brick wall when you have to explain why this plan doesn't work when it comes to the larger white population that gets federal subsidies. The difference in the workforce participation rate between whites and blacks is 2.5%; does that support this idea that black families by and large are lounging about and turning to crime because they have no incentive to make themselves better?

Also: Sterling's last Democratic donation was in 1991. He became a registered Republican in 1995. I'm not sure how either act tells us anything significant about his political beliefs today.
 
2014-04-29 10:36:03 AM  
On Fox & Friends today, Donald Trump stood up for fellow aggrieved billionaire Republican Donald Sterling, claiming that the Los Angeles Clippers owner was "set up by a very, very bad girlfriend."

And like Sterling, he just doesn't know when to shut the fark up.
 
2014-04-29 10:37:26 AM  

wearetheworld: How about that NAACP?  What a fantastic group advancing black people's causes by honoring guys like Sterling, not once but twice.  Show me the money NAACP.


They're returning it all.
 
2014-04-29 10:38:01 AM  

maram500: JackieRabbit: exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation

Yes, and whoever made the recording violated the Wiretap Act and may be subject to both criminal prosecution and civil liability. Whoever did this is more stupid than Sterling.

I thought this was all based on video taken on a mobile phone, which--if I'm correct in my initial assumption--would mean he knew he was being recorded and did not object. Which all means that the wiretapping law wasn't broken because he more or less consented.

/Not a lawyer


No, based on what I read and saw there was no video. The recording is remarkably clear; someone carefully planned this. Recording someone with a cell phone without their knowledge would qualify based on what I have read.
 
2014-04-29 10:38:35 AM  
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2014-04-29 10:38:50 AM  

JackieRabbit: exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation

Yes, and whoever made the recording violated the Wiretap Act and may be subject to both criminal prosecution and civil liability. Whoever did this is more stupid than Sterling.


1. The act applies not at all to the recording in-person communications.
2. The act does not apply to recording a conversation to which you are a party.
3. The act does not apply if the other party has no reasonable expectation of privacy, including knowledge that the recording is occurring, which based on some accounts was the case.
 
2014-04-29 10:39:28 AM  

SlothB77: So i've figured out the parallel between Cliven Bundy and Sterling.


They both have weirdly high, warbly voices, as if their balls never dropped? Oh, and they're both doddering racist buffoons.
 
2014-04-29 10:41:50 AM  
You should have heard the one where he is inquiring as to who let all of this riff-raff into the room.
 
2014-04-29 10:42:42 AM  

NutWrench: On Fox & Friends today, Donald Trump stood up for fellow aggrieved billionaire Republican Donald Sterling, claiming that the Los Angeles Clippers owner was "set up by a very, very bad girlfriend."

And like Sterling, he just doesn't know when to shut the fark up.


When you've had hot and cold running mistresses over the decades, you'd think he'd be wise enough to know that:

1)  Neither he nor they are the most moral entities on the planet.
2)  The mistresses are using him as much as he's using them.

This "biatch set me up" thing should fall on deaf ears.

But far be it for me to understand the lengths that some will go to in order to defend their fellow bigots.
 
2014-04-29 10:45:31 AM  
I keep being told by the sage people of Fark that this has f-all to do with politics.  Yet here we are in again in a thread trying to conflate Donald Sterling with Donald Trump (whom Fark laughably called a presidential frontrunner only yesterday.)  Not that it really matters, Sterling is scum regardless of his politics.  It's just a shame that it took so long for people to come around to this fact.
 
2014-04-29 10:47:03 AM  

kronicfeld: JackieRabbit: exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation

Yes, and whoever made the recording violated the Wiretap Act and may be subject to both criminal prosecution and civil liability. Whoever did this is more stupid than Sterling.

1. The act applies not at all to the recording in-person communications.
2. The act does not apply to recording a conversation to which you are a party.
3. The act does not apply if the other party has no reasonable expectation of privacy, including knowledge that the recording is occurring, which based on some accounts was the case.


Thought I'd heard differently, depending on the state?
/Could be wrong, it's happened before.
 
2014-04-29 10:47:35 AM  
Can't we just bury these guys in cement and turn them into a public art exhibit?
 
2014-04-29 10:47:50 AM  
I haven't kept up with all of this, but the weirdest thing to me was that he got all pissy his girlfriend was hanging out with black people...when she's obviously of some black ancestry herself. Not sure how he thought that could play well...
 
2014-04-29 10:49:29 AM  

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Americans.
 
2014-04-29 10:49:47 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: I haven't kept up with all of this, but the weirdest thing to me was that he got all pissy his girlfriend was hanging out with black people...when she's obviously of some black ancestry herself. Not sure how he thought that could play well...


He's not farking her ancestry.
 
2014-04-29 10:54:03 AM  

kronicfeld: JackieRabbit: exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation

Yes, and whoever made the recording violated the Wiretap Act and may be subject to both criminal prosecution and civil liability. Whoever did this is more stupid than Sterling.

1. The act applies not at all to the recording in-person communications.
2. The act does not apply to recording a conversation to which you are a party.
3. The act does not apply if the other party has no reasonable expectation of privacy, including knowledge that the recording is occurring, which based on some accounts was the case.


Sorry, but this is just wrong. Recording any conversation in a private setting is a violation of the Wiretap Act. There are only a few exceptions. You must inform the individual that you are going to record the conversation and get consent. Implied consent is not enough. Just read this on an FAQ of an attorney who specializes in these cases.
 
2014-04-29 10:55:17 AM  

JackieRabbit: kronicfeld: JackieRabbit: exparrot: The key difference is Sterling was recorded in a private situation

Yes, and whoever made the recording violated the Wiretap Act and may be subject to both criminal prosecution and civil liability. Whoever did this is more stupid than Sterling.

1. The act applies not at all to the recording in-person communications.
2. The act does not apply to recording a conversation to which you are a party.
3. The act does not apply if the other party has no reasonable expectation of privacy, including knowledge that the recording is occurring, which based on some accounts was the case.

Sorry, but this is just wrong. Recording any conversation in a private setting is a violation of the Wiretap Act. There are only a few exceptions. You must inform the individual that you are going to record the conversation and get consent. Implied consent is not enough. Just read this on an FAQ of an attorney who specializes in these cases.


Maybe she pocket dialed TMZ ;-)
 
2014-04-29 10:57:58 AM  

Grungehamster: wearetheworld: How about that NAACP?  What a fantastic group advancing black people's causes by honoring guys like Sterling, not once but twice.  Show me the money NAACP.

They're returning it all.


Sure they are.
 
2014-04-29 10:58:54 AM  

Skarekrough: In great part the NBA gravy train is just too rich for him to not get booted off rather than take any risk of revenue loss.


That's the same line the outraged players kept spouting over and over on ESPN at the gym this morning.

I'll ask the same question I was wondering then...

How do you fire the boss? You can't make someone sell his private property based on an illegal recording of a private conversation.

The rage is impotent rage. He will sell if, and only if, his calculations determine that it will be more profitable in the long run.
 
2014-04-29 10:58:56 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: I haven't kept up with all of this, but the weirdest thing to me was that he got all pissy his girlfriend was hanging out with black people...when she's obviously of some black ancestry herself. Not sure how he thought that could play well...


He has no personal problem with black people. He claimed ignorance of her mixed race background and the fact that she was didn't bother him. Hell, he even told her he would be perfectly OK with her sleeping with these men (though if I were him I'd probably have suggested protection in Magic Johnson's case). No, his problem is that one of his friends (Dennis) saw the picture, and how her being in public with these black athletes reflects poorly on him. See, she's his girlfriend, and the image he wants people to have of her is that she is "a delicate white or a delicate Latina girl." When she's hanging out with black men, particularly posing for flirty photos, the image of her delicacy fades and suddenly her stock as a trophy girlfriend falls. In other words, it is embarrassing for him to be seen as having a girlfriend who might be interested in black men sexually.

In my mind the situation is more sexist than racist, but just barely (looking down on women who associate publicly with black people as inferior to women who do not due to a perceived stereotypes of black men and the women who associate with them.)
 
2014-04-29 10:59:07 AM  

SlothB77: Sterling illustrates perfectly what Cliven Bundy was trying to explain.


Cliven Bundy couldn't explain 1+1=2 without it becoming a garbled diatribe in which he is somehow a victim of something. He's a dim bulb who has failed upward on the backs of government largesse.
 
2014-04-29 11:01:34 AM  

JackieRabbit: Recording any conversation in a private setting is a violation of the Wiretap Act.


You're simply wrong.

18 USC 2511(2)(d): It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State.
 
2014-04-29 11:07:10 AM  
Grungehamster

When she's hanging out with black men, particularly posing for flirty photos, the image of her delicacy fades and suddenly her stock as a trophy girlfriend falls. In other words, it is embarrassing for him to be seen as having a girlfriend who might be interested in black men sexually.

Huh. Ok. Weird. He's fine with her farking a guy as long as other people don't perceive him as being cuckolded. I guess that makes a certain amount of sense for such a self-obsessed person.

/the more I know
 
2014-04-29 11:10:22 AM  

wearetheworld: Grungehamster: wearetheworld: How about that NAACP?  What a fantastic group advancing black people's causes by honoring guys like Sterling, not once but twice.  Show me the money NAACP.

They're returning it all.

Sure they are.


How could I have been so blind?! Clearly they will lie about it and hold onto the money despite the public promise because that has no chance of blowing up in their faces when the records of the money being returned isn't there in their filings. Or do you think the NAACP cooks the books too?
 
2014-04-29 11:12:38 AM  

Pangea: Skarekrough: In great part the NBA gravy train is just too rich for him to not get booted off rather than take any risk of revenue loss.

That's the same line the outraged players kept spouting over and over on ESPN at the gym this morning.

I'll ask the same question I was wondering then...

How do you fire the boss? You can't make someone sell his private property based on an illegal recording of a private conversation.

The rage is impotent rage. He will sell if, and only if, his calculations determine that it will be more profitable in the long run.


No, it won't.

As a member of the NBA he has to agree to their rules, one of which is that they can fine and suspend the owner of a team.  This happened in 2000 with the TimberWolves.

But they can force an owner to give up their team.
 
2014-04-29 11:14:46 AM  

kronicfeld: 18 USC 2511(2)(d): It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State.


It's illegal in California, which is a two party consent state under  Cal. Penal Code § 632. The statute applies to "confidential communications" -- i.e., conversations in which one of the parties has an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation. See Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575, 576-77, 578-82 (Cal. 2002).  A California appellate court has ruled that this statute applies to the use of hidden video cameras to record conversations as well. See California v. Gibbons, 215 Cal. App. 3d 1204 (Cal Ct. App. 1989). (Source:http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law )
 
2014-04-29 11:15:56 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Grungehamster

When she's hanging out with black men, particularly posing for flirty photos, the image of her delicacy fades and suddenly her stock as a trophy girlfriend falls. In other words, it is embarrassing for him to be seen as having a girlfriend who might be interested in black men sexually.

Huh. Ok. Weird. He's fine with her farking a guy as long as other people don't perceive him as being cuckolded. I guess that makes a certain amount of sense for such a self-obsessed person.

/the more I know


But the reason it's being treated as particularly racist is he makes clear that if she's out and about posing sexy with white guys that won't be distressing because she won't be seen as a harlot because being overly friendly with white men isn't a red flag of sexual promiscuity (you could just be bubbly and fun-loving) for society but being overly friendly with black men is. The whole time he argues that he doesn't personally hold racist opinions, but that he needs to act in a way that is racially discriminatory to keep up appearances and meet the expectations of our culture. Here's a fascinating article on it.
 
2014-04-29 11:16:17 AM  

Grungehamster: wearetheworld: Grungehamster: wearetheworld: How about that NAACP?  What a fantastic group advancing black people's causes by honoring guys like Sterling, not once but twice.  Show me the money NAACP.

They're returning it all.

Sure they are.


How could I have been so blind?! Clearly they will lie about it and hold onto the money despite the public promise because that has no chance of blowing up in their faces when the records of the money being returned isn't there in their filings. Or do you think the NAACP cooks the books too?


Why should they give it back?  Same goes for UCLA and the recent 1 million dollar donation to their kidney clinic.  Why deprive people who would benefit from the good the money does?  I'd rather it be in their hands than back in Sterling's.
 
2014-04-29 11:17:58 AM  
It's a stupid comparison
 
2014-04-29 11:18:06 AM  

someonelse: SlothB77: Sterling illustrates perfectly what Cliven Bundy was trying to explain.

Cliven Bundy couldn't explain 1+1=2 without it becoming a garbled diatribe in which he is somehow a victim of something. He's a dim bulb who has failed upward on the backs of government largesse.


Beautifully succinct.  Well done.
 
2014-04-29 11:18:41 AM  

tnpir: How about we tie both of them up and throw them over a cliff?

Problem solved.


No tolerance, like liberal tolerance.....
 
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