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(Daily Mail)   Duke University deems "Man Up" and "Don't be a pussy" to be derogatory slang students shouldn't use. No word on how they feel about sucking   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 109
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2014-04-29 11:07:35 AM  
 
2014-04-29 11:09:20 AM  

dittybopper: So it's OK to say "Stop being such a fancy-lad"?   Can I still call people I don't like "son of a milkless whore"?

Is it OK if we call them their preferred nomenclature, but we imbue it with the same meaning as the forbidden ones?  Because I have a feeling this is going to be another "dummy/retard/special" progression.


i'm pretty sure that's what will happen.
 
2014-04-29 11:10:06 AM  

dittybopper: You foppish molly-house refugee.  You smell of dandy-funk.


Well now you're obviously just trying to arouse me.

/It's working
 
2014-04-29 11:11:24 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Asking you to think about words before you use them is a far cry from "forced PC."


Sure, but bending over every time someone is "Offended" gets real old. Yesterday in the news, it was reported that a college fraternity was prohibited from using the word Fiesta as part of a fund raiser, which they spelled PHIESTA to play off the their fraternity because ONG fricken Hispanic student was offended. Oh, and the fund raiser was to donate money to a cardiac care charity.

I am personally offended by all these people who are so fricken offended. MAN UP ALREADY, YOU PUSSIES!!!
 
2014-04-29 11:12:00 AM  
Ahhhh, Duke. Where the thought/speech police movement (PC) originated sometime in the late 80's/early 90's.
 
2014-04-29 11:17:03 AM  

biscuitsngravy: Ahhhh, Duke. Where the thought/speech police movement (PC) originated sometime in the late 80's/early 90's.


Little known fact: PC was started by David Duke.
 
2014-04-29 11:23:34 AM  

medius: biscuitsngravy: Ahhhh, Duke. Where the thought/speech police movement (PC) originated sometime in the late 80's/early 90's.

Little known fact: PC was started by David Duke.


Actually now that I done did my rerserch, it's looking like Patty Duke is to blame for the Harrison Bergeron-ing of society.
 
2014-04-29 11:26:41 AM  
Given the reaction on campus to the revelation of the Duke porn star, I think we know where Duke stands on sucking.
 
2014-04-29 11:32:19 AM  

untaken_name: You can say "woman up" but not "man up". The sexists are gaining social power, not losing it.


You can say whatever you want, and both of those make you sound like a tool.   If you don't want to be a tool, don't be a tool.
 
2014-04-29 11:44:58 AM  
Can I still tell people to "Put on their big girl panties"?
 
2014-04-29 11:47:22 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: Trail of Dead: Go ahead and shame people for saying "tranny" after the fact - I think that works better.

Because using shame as a motivator worked so well for religion, it should be used for a progressive movement as well?


Wat
 
2014-04-29 11:51:48 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Trail of Dead: There was a similar campaign in San Francisco a few years back.. Posters like these on bus stops etc. I hate them. I'm bery liberal, and agree with some of these posters actually, but forced PC is scary. Nobody should be telling other people what they are allowed to say. Go ahead and shame people for saying "tranny" after the fact - I think that works better.

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I have to give conservatives a pointvin this issue.

Asking you to think about words before you use them is a far cry from "forced PC."


Doing this with posters plastered all over the city is freaky.

"Please don't talk like this"

I just think this does nothing beyond making liberals look like the thought police.
 
2014-04-29 11:56:23 AM  

ikanreed: untaken_name: You can say "woman up" but not "man up". The sexists are gaining social power, not losing it.

You can say whatever you want, and both of those make you sound like a tool.   If you don't want to be a tool, don't be a tool.


Tool in this case refers to the male sexual organ. Stop being so sexist.
 
2014-04-29 11:57:20 AM  

Brick-House: I never quite understood why being called a pussy is a bad thing while someone is said to have balls if they do something danderous and brave. It is my understanding that the balls are a mans weak spot. Kick a guy in the balls and he's down for the count. The average pussy on the other hand can take quite a pounding and beg for more!


It's a bad thing because people use it as a bad thing. When you call someone a pussy when you mean they're a coward or a loser, you're implying there's a connect between the two, which means there's a connection between being a woman and being a coward. Just like when you use "gay" and "stupid" interchangeably.
 
2014-04-29 12:04:55 PM  
To be honest, anyone who uses "man up" or "don't be a pussy" needs a stiff liver punch. Unfortunately, that's illegal, so shaming them will have to do.

I would rather we didn't need to be told to tell these assholes that they're assholes, though. Surely we know already that people who use those phrases tend to be jerks.
 
2014-04-29 12:10:02 PM  

R.A.Danny: Tool in this case refers to the male sexual organ. Stop being so sexist.


Sure, okay: backwards barbaric idiot, whose ideas of how things work are so dated and useless as to be worth immediately dismissing the opinions of.
 
2014-04-29 12:13:42 PM  

ikanreed: R.A.Danny: Tool in this case refers to the male sexual organ. Stop being so sexist.

Sure, okay: backwards barbaric idiot, whose ideas of how things work are so dated and useless as to be worth immediately dismissing the opinions of.


You have anger  issues. Just admit that your sexist and strive to improve.
 
2014-04-29 12:18:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: You have anger issues. Just admit that your sexist and strive to improve.


I certainly have considered the possibility.  But, after reflection I couldn't decide it was entirely true.  Hence my withdrawal of tool(though I always understood it as "easily manipulated person who functions more like a tool than a self-determining being").  I always strive to improve.


That's different than the idiots who go "How dare you infringe on my right to be sexist by... criticizing me!!!"
 
2014-04-29 12:21:04 PM  
I wonder how different boot camp would be if they stopped using all these offensive phrases.
 
2014-04-29 12:23:37 PM  

codigo: I wonder how different boot camp would be if they stopped using all these offensive phrases.


It would be very quiet.
 
2014-04-29 12:28:43 PM  
Hey Duke, how does it feel to be so weak that mere words can hurt you?  Were you so sheltered as a snowflake that the bad men frighten you by merely waking up?
 
2014-04-29 12:42:54 PM  

biscuitsngravy: medius: biscuitsngravy: Ahhhh, Duke. Where the thought/speech police movement (PC) originated sometime in the late 80's/early 90's.

Little known fact: PC was started by David Duke.

Actually now that I done did my rerserch, it's looking like Patty Duke is to blame for the Harrison Bergeron-ing of society.


tweren't no Daisy?
 
2014-04-29 12:59:04 PM  

Trail of Dead: Capo Del Bandito: Trail of Dead: Go ahead and shame people for saying "tranny" after the fact - I think that works better.

Because using shame as a motivator worked so well for religion, it should be used for a progressive movement as well?

Wat


Using 'shame' on people to get them to change their views/beliefs/how they go about their day to day life.

I mean you could just educate them, but hey, if you wanna model how you go about how you get people to see the world after the RCC, be my guest.
 
2014-04-29 01:49:02 PM  
Pussy = pusillanimous.

This definition has nothing to do with gender or genitalia.
 
2014-04-29 01:55:18 PM  
Younger Farkers may not know that, not too many decades ago, "____ sucks" or "you suck" was not accepted as part of polite, everyday language. Though not swearing/cursing, it was equally objectionable (to "average society" on the whole) and likely to prompt a retort from your parent, teacher, whatever. It was never said (in that sense) on network TV/radio, for example.

It still grates on me, and I hate hearing it in everyday discourse, or even ad campaigns. Just a sign of gettin' old, I reckon. Older people don't say it much *not* 'cause it's new slang, but likely because they grew up when it was longshoreman talk.

/yes, times change...
 
2014-04-29 02:00:14 PM  

GrizzledVeteran: Younger Farkers may not know that, not too many decades ago, "____ sucks" or "you suck" was not accepted as part of polite, everyday language. Though not swearing/cursing, it was equally objectionable (to "average society" on the whole) and likely to prompt a retort from your parent, teacher, whatever. It was never said (in that sense) on network TV/radio, for example.

It still grates on me, and I hate hearing it in everyday discourse, or even ad campaigns. Just a sign of gettin' old, I reckon. Older people don't say it much *not* 'cause it's new slang, but likely because they grew up when it was longshoreman talk.

/yes, times change...


Suck still isn't considered polite and parents with a madicum of class do not allow their kids to use suck like that.
 
2014-04-29 02:02:37 PM  

JungleBoogie: Can I still tell people to "Put on their big girl panties"?


My wife had a meeting with all her customer service people, who are all women, and she really wanted to give each of them a wrapped present that had a pair of "big girl panties" in it.

She asked me if I thought she could get away with it and I said "hell no".

/csb
 
2014-04-29 02:06:56 PM  

ikanreed: R.A.Danny: Tool in this case refers to the male sexual organ. Stop being so sexist.

Sure, okay: backwards barbaric idiot, whose ideas of how things work are so dated and useless as to be worth immediately dismissing the opinions of.


Redundant poutrage is redundant.

This is not a battle you can win. Trying to tell people how to think and how to speak will only frustrate you further and result in more poorly structured emotional verbiage that only serves to make you look the fool. You can make people comply with non-discrimination laws and enforce equality that way, as we should, but you can't change their motivations or change who they are inside. You can't expect everyone to care about the same shiat you do, and the more you try the harder they will push back. Realistically speaking, you can only expect them to act legally and not obstruct others' rights under penalty of the law. It's the law governing their actions that keeps them onside--how they think, feel and speak is off limits. Trying to affect change in that way through shaming and personal attacks undermines freedom and human diversity. I understand you find it distasteful, but it's out of your hands. I suggest you relax, take a deep breath, accept that you can't control how people think, and stop being such a pussy.
 
2014-04-29 02:18:51 PM  

Fafai: ikanreed: R.A.Danny: Tool in this case refers to the male sexual organ. Stop being so sexist.

Sure, okay: backwards barbaric idiot, whose ideas of how things work are so dated and useless as to be worth immediately dismissing the opinions of.

Redundant poutrage is redundant.

This is not a battle you can win. Trying to tell people how to think and how to speak will only frustrate you further and result in more poorly structured emotional verbiage that only serves to make you look the fool. You can make people comply with non-discrimination laws and enforce equality that way, as we should, but you can't change their motivations or change who they are inside. You can't expect everyone to care about the same shiat you do, and the more you try the harder they will push back. Realistically speaking, you can only expect them to act legally and not obstruct others' rights under penalty of the law. It's the law governing their actions that keeps them onside--how they think, feel and speak is off limits. Trying to affect change in that way through shaming and personal attacks undermines freedom and human diversity. I understand you find it distasteful, but it's out of your hands. I suggest you relax, take a deep breath, accept that you can't control how people think, and stop being such a pussy.



I'mma tell you a story.

High on a hill overlooking the town, the racist tree grew where the grass was half clover. Children wouldvisit during the sunlit hours, and ask for apples.The racist tree would shaker it's branches and dropped the delicious red fruit that gleamed without being polished. The children ate many of the racist trees's apples and then played games beneath the shade of its racist branches. One day the children brought Simon with them, a boy who had just moved to town, to play around the racist tree.
"Let Simon have an Apple," asked a little girl
. "I don't think so. He's black!" said the tree.
This shocked the children and they spoke to the tree angrily, but it would not shaker it's branches to give Simon an apple, and racistly called him a N*****.
"I can't believe the racist tree is such a racist," said one of the children. The children momentarily reflected that perhaps this kind of behavior was how the racist tree got its name.A side note- these kids are really that thick (if you hadn't guessed that already) It was decided that if the tree was going to deny apples to Simon then nobody would take its apples. And the children stop visiting the racist tree. The racist tree grew quite lonely.
After many solitary weeks or so it saw a child flying a kite nearby across the Cloverfield. "Can I offer you some apples?"Asked the tree eagerly.
"fark off, you god damn Nazi," said the child. (RUDE) The Racist trees was upset, because while it was a racist, it did not personally subscribe to Hitler's fascist ideology. Then the Racist tree decided that it would have to give apples to the black children; not because it was tolerant, but because otherwise it would face ostracism from white children.
And thus social progress was made.
 
2014-04-29 02:28:31 PM  
That tree needs a middleman so it can sell it's apples at a profit, and have the intermediary create many wonderful advertisements of children of all colors playing together with smiles on their faces. The tree would profit, the middleman would profit, there would be job creation, and as long as the tree kept it's mouth shut no one would be the wiser.
 
2014-04-29 02:38:16 PM  

Saborlas: Pussy = pusillanimous.

This definition has nothing to do with gender or genitalia.


pics.imcdb.org

"Can you do me a favor and tell everybody that?"
 
2014-04-29 02:41:47 PM  

Brick-House: I never quite understood why being called a pussy is a bad thing while someone is said to have balls if they do something danderous and brave. It is my understanding that the balls are a mans weak spot. Kick a guy in the balls and he's down for the count. The average pussy on the other hand can take quite a pounding and beg for more!


You don't have the balls to kick someone in the pussy.
 
2014-04-29 02:52:07 PM  

ikanreed: And thus social progress was made.


Again, that's not really 'social progress' that's more 'bullying people into your belief system' (a la Christianity in some cases) and getting them to begrudgingly go along despite not believing in it themselves.

But hey, at least you'll have the semblance of 'progress' on a shallow surface level, right?
 
2014-04-29 03:07:59 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: dittybopper: You foppish molly-house refugee.  You smell of dandy-funk.

Well now you're obviously just trying to arouse me.

/It's working


Well, duh.  Dandy-funk is basically hardtack fried in bacon grease, and served with jam or molasses.

/It's the smell of bacon
 
2014-04-29 03:15:14 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: ikanreed: And thus social progress was made.

Again, that's not really 'social progress' that's more 'bullying people into your belief system' (a la Christianity in some cases) and getting them to begrudgingly go along despite not believing in it themselves.

But hey, at least you'll have the semblance of 'progress' on a shallow surface level, right?


Yeah, it kinda is.  Because people aren't actually suffering from discrimination anymore.  The consequences are a bigger deal than the beliefs.  The beliefs fade generation to generation.
 
2014-04-29 03:22:55 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: ikanreed: And thus social progress was made.

Again, that's not really 'social progress' that's more 'bullying people into your belief system' (a la Christianity in some cases) and getting them to begrudgingly go along despite not believing in it themselves.

But hey, at least you'll have the semblance of 'progress' on a shallow surface level, right?


Exactly. We'd get the exact same results by legislating "you must serve apples to everybody," which, as I said, is what we should be doing (as opposed to telling people how to think). "On the surface" is all we can shoot for.

ikanreed, whether you like it or not, these derogatory gendered insults you hate are actually quite apt and appropriate descriptors. They exist for a reason. Let's take you and I in this thread as examples. I'll be the "dick," since I struggle each day living with an abundance of testosterone. It's a curse. And you be the "pussy," since, while you may technically be male, I recall you identifying as a feminist in the past and these descriptors are more metaphorical than literal...

So what is a dick? Combative, belligerent, ignorant. That's me in this thread, I'm sure you'll be quick to agree, no explanations necessary.

Now what are the traits of a pussy? Emotional, overly sensitive, easily offended. You might not be so quick to judge yourself as you are me so let me reiterate here your sloppy, knee-jerk, redundant posting, your use of boldface with multiple exclamation points for emphasis. Also your entire position in this thread comes from one of acknowledging the offensiveness of words. Words, as I am showing you, that have totally appropriate reasons for being.

Now let's look at the terms you use to attack people:

ikanreed: I always understood (tool) as "easily manipulated person who functions more like a tool than a self-determining being"


So you call someone who freely speaks their mind without bowing to shame and censorship as 'easily manipulated' and 'not self determining?' Do you see the discrepancy here? By censoring yourself and purposefully choosing a 'safe' pejorative, all you have succeeded in doing is mangling the language and, arguably, expressing the opposite of what you intend to communicate.

The absolute best thing you can do is cases like this is to let it go. Let people be unenlightened or whatever you think. Fighting them on this trivial shiat just makes you look like a dumbass.
 
2014-04-29 03:25:14 PM  

dittybopper: Capo Del Bandito: dittybopper: You foppish molly-house refugee.  You smell of dandy-funk.

Well now you're obviously just trying to arouse me.

/It's working

Well, duh.  Dandy-funk is basically hardtack fried in bacon grease, and served with jam or molasses.

/It's the smell of bacon


Need to find somewhere that makes that...

ikanreed: Yeah, it kinda is. Because people aren't actually suffering from discrimination anymore. The consequences are a bigger deal than the beliefs. The beliefs fade generation to generation.


So, again, you're backing the RCC ideology of 'we're going to bully you to believe in this, because we believe our way is the right way'?

Didn't know liberal types believed in 'the ends justify the means'. You'd think they'd be more accepting of collateral damage though...
 
2014-04-29 03:29:24 PM  

Fafai: Exactly. We'd get the exact same results by legislating "you must serve apples to everybody," which, as I said, is what we should be doing (as opposed to telling people how to think). "On the surface" is all we can shoot for.


Eh, I prefer personal liberty, even if someone believes in backwards ass ideas, myths and superstitions and irrational behavior.

Just because their idiocy 'hurts people's feelings' doesn't mean you should enforce a societal ideal standard over someone's personal beliefs.

Again you're going for the 'ends justify the means' because taking the time to educate and essentially break down stereotypes and the like on a personal level would take too long, but you're only thinking generational, the 'very instant, very now' crap that most people can't look beyond. You'd have people sacrifice their own ideologies for the idea of 'the greater good'. And as the documentary "Hot Fuzz" showed, that's never a good thing.

Shooting for superficial victories isn't a victory, it's putting a bandaid on a severed stump and mostly just builds more resentment.
 
2014-04-29 03:33:11 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Fafai: Exactly. We'd get the exact same results by legislating "you must serve apples to everybody," which, as I said, is what we should be doing (as opposed to telling people how to think). "On the surface" is all we can shoot for.

Eh, I prefer personal liberty, even if someone believes in backwards ass ideas, myths and superstitions and irrational behavior.

Just because their idiocy 'hurts people's feelings' doesn't mean you should enforce a societal ideal standard over someone's personal beliefs.

Again you're going for the 'ends justify the means' because taking the time to educate and essentially break down stereotypes and the like on a personal level would take too long, but you're only thinking generational, the 'very instant, very now' crap that most people can't look beyond. You'd have people sacrifice their own ideologies for the idea of 'the greater good'. And as the documentary "Hot Fuzz" showed, that's never a good thing.

Shooting for superficial victories isn't a victory, it's putting a bandaid on a severed stump and mostly just builds more resentment.


There's always going to be resentment on this planet full of people. Can't stop that. But you can ensure people don't discriminate based on their hatred. If the apples on the tree are representative of human rights then we should be enforcing each of us getting our fair share.
 
2014-04-29 03:37:49 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: So, again, you're backing the RCC ideology of 'we're going to bully you to believe in this, because we believe our way is the right way'?


When it's racist shiatbags holding society back?  Yeah.  Yeah, we're going to socially judge the hell out of you.

No one in that did anything but engage in the freedom of association you're so vehemently defending for racists.

"Jesus, when you just look past the real harm we're doing, it's so judgmental of you to complain"
 
2014-04-29 03:43:40 PM  

ikanreed: "Jesus, when you just look past the real harm we're doing, it's so judgmental of you to complain"


Real harm like people's feelings?

I thought you mean real harm like causing something permanent. Sorry, we have a different scale of 'this is horrible and unbearable'. Most of that comes from being in a buncha 3rd world countries for extended periods of time. It sorta helps you place the '1st world problems' into perspective.

I'm for defending anyone's personal ideas and thoughts, backwards, progressive or not. I care for racists about as much as I do you: You're a bipedal sack of carbon meat and juices. You have no impact on my life, neither do racists. So I give about as much as a sack of dicks worth of thought to your or their beliefs, s'long as people are allowed to believe/think what they want, as that's more or less the only real guarantee of being a sentient being. Coming up with the shallow idea that we should encourage people to be nice begrudgingly instead of educating them is backwards, but again, you're allowed to believe in it, part of that human condition thing.

Fafai: There's always going to be resentment on this planet full of people. Can't stop that. But you can ensure people don't discriminate based on their hatred. If the apples on the tree are representative of human rights then we should be enforcing each of us getting our fair share.


Again, I'm not a fan of the 'ends justify the means' unless it's a situation that's actually life threatening/world altering/preventing self destruction kinda thing.

Racism and bad words is pretty damn low on that list as it's more of an inconvenience than anything.
 
2014-04-29 03:50:35 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Real harm like people's feelings?


No, like systemic discrimination in the food supply.
 
2014-04-29 03:51:43 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Racism and bad words is pretty damn low on that list as it's more of an inconvenience than anything.


Bad words sure but in ikanreeds story he was talking about someone being denied something due to race. So racism there is something tangible, like the right to service in the public sector. Or the right to marry or whatever. Equal rights for all should be enforced through legal pressure/penalty. I'm saying it's less effective and at times actually counter-productive to put that pressure on the individual belief rather than the legal precedent.

No-ones forcing anyone to believe gays aren't sinful, nor can we. But we can enforce you giving them the same rights as everyone else, under penalty of law.
 
2014-04-29 03:53:34 PM  

Fafai: Capo Del Bandito: Racism and bad words is pretty damn low on that list as it's more of an inconvenience than anything.

Bad words sure but in ikanreeds story he was talking about someone being denied something due to race. So racism there is something tangible, like the right to service in the public sector. Or the right to marry or whatever. Equal rights for all should be enforced through legal pressure/penalty. I'm saying it's less effective and at times actually counter-productive to put that pressure on the individual belief rather than the legal precedent.

No-ones forcing anyone to believe gays aren't sinful, nor can we. But we can enforce you giving them the same rights as everyone else, under penalty of law.


Thank you.  More eloquence than I could muster.
 
2014-04-29 03:55:12 PM  

GrizzledVeteran: Younger Farkers may not know that, not too many decades ago, "____ sucks" or "you suck" was not accepted as part of polite, everyday language. Though not swearing/cursing, it was equally objectionable (to "average society" on the whole) and likely to prompt a retort from your parent, teacher, whatever. It was never said (in that sense) on network TV/radio, for example.

It still grates on me, and I hate hearing it in everyday discourse, or even ad campaigns. Just a sign of gettin' old, I reckon. Older people don't say it much *not* 'cause it's new slang, but likely because they grew up when it was longshoreman talk.

/yes, times change...


I'm offended by it because the meaning is all wrong. As a reference to fellatio. saying that something sucks really ought to mean that it's doing something farking awesome.
 
2014-04-29 03:56:45 PM  

ikanreed: Fafai: Capo Del Bandito: Racism and bad words is pretty damn low on that list as it's more of an inconvenience than anything.

Bad words sure but in ikanreeds story he was talking about someone being denied something due to race. So racism there is something tangible, like the right to service in the public sector. Or the right to marry or whatever. Equal rights for all should be enforced through legal pressure/penalty. I'm saying it's less effective and at times actually counter-productive to put that pressure on the individual belief rather than the legal precedent.

No-ones forcing anyone to believe gays aren't sinful, nor can we. But we can enforce you giving them the same rights as everyone else, under penalty of law.

Thank you.  More eloquence than I could muster.


Does this mean you agree that your approach has the possibility of being ineffective or counter-productive to your cause?
 
2014-04-29 03:58:16 PM  

Lattices aren't Distributive: GrizzledVeteran: Younger Farkers may not know that, not too many decades ago, "____ sucks" or "you suck" was not accepted as part of polite, everyday language. Though not swearing/cursing, it was equally objectionable (to "average society" on the whole) and likely to prompt a retort from your parent, teacher, whatever. It was never said (in that sense) on network TV/radio, for example.

It still grates on me, and I hate hearing it in everyday discourse, or even ad campaigns. Just a sign of gettin' old, I reckon. Older people don't say it much *not* 'cause it's new slang, but likely because they grew up when it was longshoreman talk.

/yes, times change...

I'm offended by it because the meaning is all wrong. As a reference to fellatio. saying that something sucks really ought to mean that it's doing something farking awesome.


But you're talking about the sucker, not the suckee. It's akin to saying "that's gay."

/seriously knew a guy who claimed "sucks" was homophobic. everyone just needs to calm down about this shiat
 
2014-04-29 04:00:55 PM  

Fafai: Bad words sure but in ikanreeds story he was talking about someone being denied something due to race. So racism there is something tangible, like the right to service in the public sector. Or the right to marry or whatever. Equal rights for all should be enforced through legal pressure/penalty. I'm saying it's less effective and at times actually counter-productive to put that pressure on the individual belief rather than the legal precedent.No-ones forcing anyone to believe gays aren't sinful, nor can we. But we can enforce you giving them the same rights as everyone else, under penalty of law.


Again, a job, right to marry, etc, it's still pretty low on the list. inconveniences and the like. I didn't say it was intangible but that seems to be the more likely in the 1st world. Not saying the others never happen, but it's not life or death, which is the kind of racism I'm used to seeing. You know, people being machette'd in the face because they're from the wrong tribe, or executed on their knees because they weren't orthodox enough, that kinda thing (3rd worlds are fun! But the wildlife is actually enjoyable even if not all the people are).

I'm not saying equality of marriage, rights, hell even the right to be buried next to your loved one in a graveyard (saw that story earlier this week on Fark) are things that should be addressed, but s'better to do it through education because the veneer bit of enforcing it doesn't work out as well as you think.

In short: 1st World Problems are still problems, but the idea of enforcing equality instead of dealing with the ignorance is not dealing with it, it's covering it up.
 
2014-04-29 04:05:26 PM  

Fafai: Lattices aren't Distributive: GrizzledVeteran: Younger Farkers may not know that, not too many decades ago, "____ sucks" or "you suck" was not accepted as part of polite, everyday language. Though not swearing/cursing, it was equally objectionable (to "average society" on the whole) and likely to prompt a retort from your parent, teacher, whatever. It was never said (in that sense) on network TV/radio, for example.

It still grates on me, and I hate hearing it in everyday discourse, or even ad campaigns. Just a sign of gettin' old, I reckon. Older people don't say it much *not* 'cause it's new slang, but likely because they grew up when it was longshoreman talk.

/yes, times change...

I'm offended by it because the meaning is all wrong. As a reference to fellatio. saying that something sucks really ought to mean that it's doing something farking awesome.

But you're talking about the sucker, not the suckee. It's akin to saying "that's gay."

/seriously knew a guy who claimed "sucks" was homophobic. everyone just needs to calm down about this shiat


Exactly - the sucker is doing something awesome. The suckee is having something awesome done to him.
 
2014-04-29 04:08:47 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Fafai: Bad words sure but in ikanreeds story he was talking about someone being denied something due to race. So racism there is something tangible, like the right to service in the public sector. Or the right to marry or whatever. Equal rights for all should be enforced through legal pressure/penalty. I'm saying it's less effective and at times actually counter-productive to put that pressure on the individual belief rather than the legal precedent.No-ones forcing anyone to believe gays aren't sinful, nor can we. But we can enforce you giving them the same rights as everyone else, under penalty of law.

Again, a job, right to marry, etc, it's still pretty low on the list. inconveniences and the like. I didn't say it was intangible but that seems to be the more likely in the 1st world. Not saying the others never happen, but it's not life or death, which is the kind of racism I'm used to seeing. You know, people being machette'd in the face because they're from the wrong tribe, or executed on their knees because they weren't orthodox enough, that kinda thing (3rd worlds are fun! But the wildlife is actually enjoyable even if not all the people are).

I'm not saying equality of marriage, rights, hell even the right to be buried next to your loved one in a graveyard (saw that story earlier this week on Fark) are things that should be addressed, but s'better to do it through education because the veneer bit of enforcing it doesn't work out as well as you think.

In short: 1st World Problems are still problems, but the idea of enforcing equality instead of dealing with the ignorance is not dealing with it, it's covering it up.


So you don't like my "change their actions" approach and you don't like ikanreed's "change their minds" (or do you?) What kind of education do you propose? The approach in TFA? I'd say we do work to educate others on this but in the meantime why wait for them to finally 'get it?' Some people take a while to get it. Others never will. That's no license to go denying people basic rights. It also doesn't precule having laws against macheteing people in the face.
 
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