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(Examiner)   Eric Holder has approved drone strikes against the Bundy Ranch. STUDY IT OUT   ( examiner.com) divider line
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2014-04-29 12:23:55 PM  

HeadLever: Did they present or imply an imminent use of deadly force against said LEO?


Yes.  Exactly.  That's been done here.  They need to be detained to secure the site.  They are armed and likely to resist arrest.  If they do so: getting shot is inevitable.

The end.
 
2014-04-29 12:24:07 PM  

Jackson Herring: On Friday, John Jacob Schmidt of said that according to Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oath Keepers, Fark user Jackson Herring has a 17-foot long penis


Stay off escalators.
 
2014-04-29 12:25:52 PM  

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]

oathkeepers


You just know he desperately would like to see his boner at that moment.
 
2014-04-29 12:28:33 PM  
If these people were black or brown, this would have long been taken care of in a hail of bullets and a wash of blood.

Because they're white, they're allowed to break the law and threaten officials for as long as they want.
 
2014-04-29 12:31:26 PM  

ikanreed: HeadLever: Did they present or imply an imminent use of deadly force against said LEO?

Yes.  Exactly.  That's been done here.  They need to be detained to secure the site.  They are armed and likely to resist arrest.  If they do so: getting shot is inevitable.
The end.


Now, now.  They were only kidding when they started setting up their shooting positions.  It was political speech.  Really and truly.
 
2014-04-29 12:34:26 PM  

ikanreed: They are armed and likely to resist arrest.


This is not a direct threat that we are talking about and you know it.  Maybe you missed the gist of the 2nd amendment as much as you have no clue about the 5th.

There is a possibility distinct possibility of this happening, but there is no direct deadly threat being displayed right now.  Thankfully, the BLM does not want to push the matter to find out if it will come to that.  They will get their way eventually.  Right now, the way forward is to do it in a way to minimize bloodshed.

I know that you and Super Pope would just love to see your political 'enemies' die in a fiery inferno, but luckily the Government has their big-boy pants on and are not listening to folks like you.
 
2014-04-29 12:36:49 PM  

ikanreed: HeadLever: Did they present or imply an imminent use of deadly force against said LEO?

Yes.  Exactly.  That's been done here.  They need to be detained to secure the site.  They are armed and likely to resist arrest.  If they do so: getting shot is inevitable.

The end.


Likely? They declared they would, built fortifications, and announced they would put human shields in front of them.
 
2014-04-29 12:41:20 PM  

Super_pope: Likely? They declared they would, built fortifications, and announced they would put human shields in front of them.


Hey, it's hard to know just how chickenshiat they actually are.  Most of these people have never actually been a live fire situation, and think lazily shooting on a range have prepared them for combat.
 
2014-04-29 12:47:41 PM  

ikanreed: Super_pope: Likely? They declared they would, built fortifications, and announced they would put human shields in front of them.

Hey, it's hard to know just how chickenshiat they actually are.  Most of these people have never actually been a live fire situation, and think lazily shooting on a range have prepared them for combat.


Oh well. Don't declare you've effectively annexed US territory without tanks and a bunch of SAM sites.
 
2014-04-29 12:56:26 PM  

cman: BS story? Oh HELLS yeah

Holder isn't an idiot. Dropping a bomb on American soil against civilians is political suicide regardless of it being justified or no.


lets be honest, dropping bomb on US civilians on US soil is only a problem if they are white.  The government can murder black people all they want.  I am looking at you Philadelphia.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE
 
2014-04-29 12:57:48 PM  

Alphax: OutLawSuit: I'm all for this.

Cows + Hellfire Missiles = Excellent BBQ

Nah, that's overcooked.  Weapons that burn through a foot of steel?  What's left of the cow won't be tasty.


The trick is to detonate the missile's warhead the right distance from the cow.
 
2014-04-29 12:59:36 PM  

Super_pope: ikanreed: Super_pope: Likely? They declared they would, built fortifications, and announced they would put human shields in front of them.

Hey, it's hard to know just how chickenshiat they actually are.  Most of these people have never actually been a live fire situation, and think lazily shooting on a range have prepared them for combat.

Oh well. Don't declare you've effectively annexed US territory without tanks and a bunch of SAM sites.


Don't forget they have plenty of women and children to use as human shields. Didn't these same people say people in the Middle East are cowards for doing the same thing? But, first even hint of a whiff of an armed standoff and the first thing they do is say they are going to hide behind women?

Farking cowards, the whole lot of them. These are the types that masturbate thinking about how they will be the saviors of the day in these types of scenarios, now they are in this exact scenario, and suddenly it's all too real, and the 'enemy' has more training and firepower and their true colors come out: Hide behind the women. They're little boys playing a man's game.
 
2014-04-29 01:03:43 PM  

Wasteland: They were only kidding when they started setting up their shooting positions.


Yeah, those that were set up and aiming at folks was getting really close to crossing (if not stepping over) that line.
 
2014-04-29 01:08:17 PM  
I hope this goes the same way it went with the Montana Freemen (link) with negotiations and surrender, instead of a Branch Davidian or Ruby Ridge style resolution. Weighting against that is the volunteers that have joined Bundy in his act. I fear that at least some of them are mentally ill (paranoid schizophrenics) with their own windmills to tilt against, or psychopaths  with axes to grind.

Really, what sane person would join an armed defense against a government lien? It's lunacy, I don't think any of them will walk away unscathed. I hope it is only legal troubles that await them and not dirt naps.
 
2014-04-29 01:10:29 PM  

webron: The government can murder black people all they want.  I am looking at you Philadelphia.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE


Is that why a jury found that this action was in violation of the constitution and awarded the survivors 1.5 million?  Sounds to me like they are not able to murder blacks 'all they want'.

Pretty much the same story here that (white) Randy Weaver was put through.
 
2014-04-29 01:12:02 PM  
They should be flying surveillance drones over them every hour all day and all night.
 
2014-04-29 01:15:39 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: They should be flying surveillance drones over them every hour all day and all night.


I bet you $1 they are. And from the video they get they are trying to identify each person out their. Those people will get a big surprise when they are trying to fly out to Aunt Trudy's for Thanksgiving and they find out they are on the no fly list.
 
2014-04-29 01:18:38 PM  

ongbok: I bet you $1 they are. And from the video they get they are trying to identify each person out their. Those people will get a big surprise when they are trying to fly out to Aunt Trudy's for Thanksgiving and they find out they are on the no fly list.


That would be soooooo awesome! Hell, they're against the government, they've said so in words and actions, that's sedition at it's finest. They should be taken to task for it.
 
2014-04-29 01:21:37 PM  
Whoever came up with the "Y'all Qaeda" moniker to describe anti-government, gun-toting rednecks deserves a free drink.
 
2014-04-29 01:26:34 PM  
Can I pay extra taxes to make this a possibility? I consider slaughtering hillbillies to be a wonderful use of tax dollars.
 
2014-04-29 01:26:42 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: They should be flying surveillance drones over them every hour all day and all night.


I just find this Mollycoddling shiat ridiculous. The only leverage these people have is their politically unpalatable deaths. At some point conservative Americans need to learn they can't keep taking themselves hostage to get things.

Call them an invading army and close the door on this shiat. Reclaim bundystan with fire and blood for the good of the nation
 
2014-04-29 02:03:37 PM  
Can't believe how my list of 'kill the hillbillies' has really exploded today.  It seems like you guys are getting just as nutty as the dumasses at the ranch as time goes on.
 
2014-04-29 02:41:46 PM  
FTA On Friday, John Jacob Schmidt of Radio Free Redoubt said that according to Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oath Keepers,

That's like 0-full retard in not even half a paragraph. Impressive, most impressive.

If anyone takes this seriously they're just bored assholes looking to post in a troll thread!
/Bored asshole posting in a troll thread
 
2014-04-29 02:44:05 PM  

Jackson Herring: On Friday, John Jacob Schmidt of said that according to Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oath Keepers, Fark user Jackson Herring has a 17-foot long penis


Seems legit. Totes magotes!
 
2014-04-29 02:45:43 PM  

HeadLever: This is not a direct threat that we are talking about and you know it. Maybe you missed the gist of the 2nd amendment as much as you have no clue about the 5th.


The second amendment does not grant anyone the right to use their guns to opt out of the rule of law.
 
2014-04-29 03:07:34 PM  

udhq: The second amendment does not grant anyone the right to use their guns to opt out of the rule of law.


Never said it does.  It does allow them to bear said arms.  As I understand, no one has 'used' their guns yet.  Feel free to provide me a place where a firearm has been fired at this point in the debacle.
 
2014-04-29 03:23:12 PM  

Super_pope: Baz744: women

Adults making the choice to be human shields in a violent confrontation they are provoking have no business complaining that someone has shot them.


This is true. But it doesn't make the men cowering behind them any less cowardly.


Tell them, "In 5 hours your house will explode and everything within at least 500 yards will be killed instantly by the intensity of the bomb.  It is already en-route and will detonate whether or not you stay or go."  If they were still there when it blew up I'd have been ecstatic, but you know they wouldn't be.

I like this idea, but you also need to put blockades at all points of egress to ensure their arrest.
 
2014-04-29 03:28:27 PM  

HeadLever: As I understand, no one has 'used' their guns yet.  Feel free to provide me a place where a firearm has been fired at this point in the debacle.


You're such an asshole.  At the very least this standoff is impeding a federal agent, assault, resisting... there are a TON of crimes being committed here.  You don't have to shoot at people to be committing a violent crime, and declaring that you will lethally resist your lawful apprehension makes you a prime-time candidate for termination by LEOs.

The problem is these people are very concentrated and armed, so if you go in and arrest them for all the shiat they're doing they'll get killed and it'll be a pain in someone's ass.  Nobody wants this particular pain in the ass.

That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

So by virtue of being dumb enough to form a little hillbilly army and make everything worse, these guys are allowed to continue breaking the law with abandon until enough of them give up or drink enough they decide to launch a, "HEY YA'LL WATCH THIS!"

I don't think its appropriate to leave them alone, this is not the kind of thing we can afford to be encouraging in a functioning society.  An armed blockade of federal agents with threats of violence, avowed battle plans, denouncements of authority [insert other stupid republican things to do here] certainly falls under "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them..." that's what they're doing.  Treasonously leveling a non-shooting (yet) war against the Federal Government of the United States.

That's the kind of petty and insane belligerence I'm comfortable blowing up with a 4000 pound bomb.
 
2014-04-29 03:50:10 PM  

Super_pope: You're such an asshole.


Says the person that wants to drop a bomb on everyone. . . lol

Even if there are a ton of crimes committed here, we are still a nation of laws and it takes due process to work these out.  If you can't understand why due process is even in the Constitution, then I guess you are beyond reasoning with.
 
2014-04-29 04:11:16 PM  

FlashHarry: TheBigJerk: Bundy gang sets up highway checkpoints.

why the fark are these assholes not in jail? they've threatened federal officials with firearms. they're blocking roads. why aren't they in jail?


They are white, live in the country instead of the city, and wear cowboy hats instead of do-rags.

Even that is not entirely fair, there are a lot of neighborhoods in the ghettos where cars will be watched or even stopped for "looking out of place" by the local warlordsgangs.  They don't stop cops, or people who look like they have enough clout (money, power, whatever) to cause a problem, or they do it "accidentally" and back off when they realize it could start a problem but they do it.

Bundy's crew is likely doing it different, because they don't know what they're doing and because they aren't trying to watch rival gangs, (or rather they see the government as a rival gang) but it is a similar pattern.
 
2014-04-29 04:23:22 PM  

HeadLever: Even if there are a ton of crimes committed here, we are still a nation of laws and it takes due process to work these out. If you can't understand why due process is even in the Constitution, then I guess you are beyond reasoning with.


"Due process" means you allow the authorities to do their jobs in accordance with the law.  These thugs are unwilling to abide by that.  I'm not saying the should be killed, but police should move to arrest them, and be prepared to meet any violent resistance with overwhelming force.
 
2014-04-29 04:32:21 PM  
I think we should give up.

HeadLever doesn't get that his pro-2nd amendment stance has lead to an arms race with criminals, that, surprise surprise, comes back to bite his racist 2nd amendment buddies in the ass when it comes to arrest time.  It's just too much for him.
 
2014-04-29 04:34:24 PM  

HeadLever: ikanreed: Yeah, no way cops shoot dangerous suspects all the time, when it's necessary.  No jurisprudence for "justifiable homocide in protecting the peace"

Not sure if you missed or ignored by point about beingactively threatened.  Justifiable homicide does not include killing folks that have not 1) been found guilty of a death penalty type crime or 2) present a threat of deadly force.

There is this thing in this country called Due Process.  Maybe you should research it.


I have.  Seems to apply based on an inverse square function of the amount of melanin a person has.
 
2014-04-29 04:42:50 PM  

udhq: "Due process" means you allow the authorities to do their jobs in accordance with the law.  These thugs are unwilling to abide by that.  I'm not saying the should be killed, but police should move to arrest them, and be prepared to meet any violent resistance with overwhelming force.


Yep.  "I do not acknowledge your authority and we are deployed to fight you."  How much more due process could there be when that's the position of the guys you're trying to apprehend?  Certainly we can wait them out, but I have no idea why we should.  They're an army and they're there to fight the government to the last drop of blood.  They'll tell you that themselves.  You don't need to convict them of anything because they've announced they'll be attempting to murder you as you try to apprehend them.

Its just more convenient for everyone to drop a bomb on them.  There's no reason to play into their adolescent fantasies with a gigantic firefight and a heroic last stand.  Give them the opportunity to vacate and get arrested, they can get their due process then.  Anyone who doesn't leave can get cleanly and extremely dead.

Or just declare them a treasonous invading army and kill them without warning.  Which I prefer but whatever.
 
2014-04-29 04:48:45 PM  
 drone strikes against the bundy ranch?
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-04-29 04:58:13 PM  

chasd00:

you couldn't be more wrong. If there's a stand off and confrontation every militia will flock to the area and you'll end up with a Waco 10x situation with no choice but to take them all down. It would be a nightmare.



i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-04-29 05:06:13 PM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: Notabunny: I thought they decided to put a lien on his cattle. That escalated quickly.

But remember: If you lien on them too hard, they tip over.


You waited YEARS for that opportunity, didn't ya?
 
2014-04-29 05:33:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Crabs_Can_Polevault: Notabunny: I thought they decided to put a lien on his cattle. That escalated quickly.

But remember: If you lien on them too hard, they tip over.

You waited YEARS for that opportunity, didn't ya?


When you see an opening you've gotta moove.
 
2014-04-29 05:53:13 PM  

cman: BS story? Oh HELLS yeah

Holder isn't an idiot. Dropping a bomb on American soil against civilians is political suicide regardless of it being justified or no.


31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-29 06:14:58 PM  

HeadLever: udhq: The second amendment does not grant anyone the right to use their guns to opt out of the rule of law.

Never said it does.  It does allow them to bear said arms.  As I understand, no one has 'used' their guns yet.  Feel free to provide me a place where a firearm has been fired at this point in the debacle.


So your stance here is that LEOs are required to refrain from the use of force against armed opposition until they're being immediately fired upon?  That no matter what threats and active preparations are being made by people keeping them from carrying out their duties, it's wrong for them to take action until someone actually opens fire?

I'm as short-tempered with law enforcement as anyone, but the crap you're spouting here is a step too far.  No one is obligated to sit there with their thumbs up their asses waiting around for someone to eat a bullet, on the grounds that b-b-b-but no fair, we didn't kill anyone yet, you have to wait until we call time in!

They were taking up shooting positions, and knowingly doing so against government employees there to carry out their jobs as ordered by a court of law.  That wasn't just a threat of deadly force, it was a goddamn promise.  If they get themselves shot, then fark 'em, they've earned it.
 
2014-04-29 06:15:22 PM  

HeadLever: udhq: The second amendment does not grant anyone the right to use their guns to opt out of the rule of law.

Never said it does.  It does allow them to bear said arms.  As I understand, no one has 'used' their guns yet.  Feel free to provide me a place where a firearm has been fired at this point in the debacle.


Brandishing or threatening with a firearm is illegal under Nevada law.  A weapon doesn't not have to fired, to be used in an illegal manner.
 
2014-04-29 07:25:08 PM  

HeadLever: udhq: The second amendment does not grant anyone the right to use their guns to opt out of the rule of law.

Never said it does.  It does allow them to bear said arms.  As I understand, no one has 'used' their guns yet.  Feel free to provide me a place where a firearm has been fired at this point in the debacle.


A firearm does not need to be fired to be used effectively.
 
2014-04-29 08:47:56 PM  

HeadLever: Super_pope: If he were camped out in their front yard with an arsenal daring them to come out? Totally.

Nope.  Doesn't pass legal mustard, ITG.


What passing legal mustard might look like

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2014-04-29 09:49:13 PM  

nyseattitude: cman: BS story? Oh HELLS yeah

Holder isn't an idiot. Dropping a bomb on American soil against civilians is political suicide regardless of it being justified or no.

[31.media.tumblr.com image 625x414]


Yep and a jury found that the city violated the Constitutional rights of the folks that were killed.
 
2014-04-29 09:50:49 PM  

udhq: I'm not saying the should be killed, but police should move to arrest them, and be prepared to meet any violent resistance with overwhelming force.


But what if moving to arrest them is very likely to cause many to be killed - kind of like Waco?
 
2014-04-29 09:52:15 PM  

Wasteland: So your stance here is that LEOs are required to refrain from the use of force against armed opposition until they're being immediately fired upon?


Required?  Not necessarily.

Good judgement at this point?  Yep.
 
2014-04-29 09:53:36 PM  

Sgt Otter: Brandishing or threatening with a firearm is illegal under Nevada law.


Yeah, so?  I'd be fine with the feds just adding that to the list of charges when they are eventually apprehended.
 
2014-04-29 09:55:11 PM  

chuggernaught: A firearm does not need to be fired to be used effectively.


That is what the militia crowd is counting on.  It will eventually backfire for them and we'll all get a good laugh when it does.
 
2014-04-29 10:29:27 PM  

Alphax: OutLawSuit: I'm all for this.

Cows + Hellfire Missiles = Excellent BBQ

Nah, that's overcooked.  Weapons that burn through a foot of steel?  What's left of the cow won't be tasty.


Light sprinkling of napalm then? And some salt and pepper grenades for flavor!
 
2014-04-30 07:21:42 AM  

HeadLever: Sgt Otter: Brandishing or threatening with a firearm is illegal under Nevada law.

Yeah, so?  I'd be fine with the feds just adding that to the list of charges when they are eventually apprehended.


You don't get to dictate when you get arrested because you brought a lot of guns and threats. That's not how getting arrested works
 
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