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(McClatchy DC)   US to Egypt: Hey, good news, we're about to give you a $1 billion aid package. Egypt: Good news here too. We've just sentenced 683 political opponents to death. US: We'll get back to you   (mcclatchydc.com) divider line 77
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2014-04-28 08:11:28 PM  
We'll still give them the money. Have to.
 
2014-04-28 09:06:39 PM  
We should not support barbaric backwards regimes that still have the death penalty.
 
2014-04-28 09:11:39 PM  
This is just the sort of swift action and harsh penalties that give law-and-order conservatives a hard-on.

This will surely lead to order and stability
 
2014-04-28 09:19:57 PM  

revrendjim: We should not support barbaric backwards regimes that still have the death penalty.


And those with a disproportionate percentage of their population in jail.
 
2014-04-28 09:45:52 PM  
Well, Bye.
 
2014-04-28 10:30:45 PM  

revrendjim: We should not support barbaric backwards regimes that still have the death penalty.


...

/what you did there i think i see it
 
2014-04-28 10:34:03 PM  

Mugato: We'll still give them the money. Have to.


Why?
 
2014-04-28 10:34:27 PM  
bbbut America would have separate trials for each person, which is much more fair.

except for those people jailed without a trial, of course.  terrorists.
now let's talk about the definition of a 'terrorist'....


There's one smoking a joint, And another with spots!
 
2014-04-28 10:34:34 PM  
They're radical Islamists.

Last time I checked, the US ain't all that big on basic human rights, due process and access to lawyers when it comes to radical Islamists.

/drone strikes = speediest trials of all
 
2014-04-28 10:36:07 PM  

Glitchwerks: Mugato: We'll still give them the money. Have to.

Why?


Cuz the new government is pro-American and America probably wants to keep it that way
 
2014-04-28 10:37:06 PM  
That will teach them.
 
2014-04-28 10:37:06 PM  

fusillade762: revrendjim: We should not support barbaric backwards regimes that still have the death penalty.

And those with a disproportionate percentage of their population in jail.


well, That escalated...
 
2014-04-28 10:38:08 PM  
There is no possible way we could put that money to better use for U.S. interests by spending it at home. None. At least this way we're building some new palaces for people to allow us to spend many more billions to look the other way as we station air force bases there in the future.
 
2014-04-28 10:38:39 PM  
Arab Spring? Autumn came quickly.
 
2014-04-28 10:39:35 PM  

Glitchwerks: Mugato: We'll still give them the money. Have to.

Why?


Partially a bribe so they don't attack Israel.
 
2014-04-28 10:39:55 PM  

chitownmike: fusillade762: revrendjim: We should not support barbaric backwards regimes that still have the death penalty.

And those with a disproportionate percentage of their population in jail.

well, That escalated...


Was that too soon? Should they not have done that?
 
2014-04-28 10:40:53 PM  
Don't call it a coup d'etat, they've been there for years.
 
2014-04-28 10:47:10 PM  

Glitchwerks: Mugato: We'll still give them the money. Have to.

Why?


Because we sure as fark are not going to spend that money on our poor, or providing education to our kids.
 
2014-04-28 10:47:14 PM  
Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Glitchwerks: Mugato: We'll still give them the money. Have to.

Why?

Cuz the new government is pro-American
money and America probably wants to keep it that way

/Egypt, a gold-digger among nations.
 
2014-04-28 10:47:56 PM  
The only aid we should give to anyone is food.
 
2014-04-28 10:51:16 PM  

X-boxershorts: chitownmike: fusillade762: revrendjim: We should not support barbaric backwards regimes that still have the death penalty.

And those with a disproportionate percentage of their population in jail.

well, That escalated...

Was that too soon? Should they not have done that?


They?
 
2014-04-28 10:54:38 PM  
Good job Egypt.  Eradicate the Muslim Brotherhood and restore peace and order to your realm.  Naturally, Obama has a problem with that.
 
2014-04-28 10:55:36 PM  

Mugato: We'll still give them the money. Have to.


At this point it's about all the leverage we have. And it's eroding as other Arab countries step up
 
2014-04-28 10:56:46 PM  
I, for one, welcome our new Indian programmers... err I mean Subway Operators.. err I mean World Partners..  gee sh. that came out wrong.
 
2014-04-28 10:57:21 PM  

SithLord: Good job Egypt.  Eradicate the Muslim Brotherhood and restore peace and order to your realm.  Naturally, Obama has a problem with that.


Yeah, wholesale executions of one's political opponents (and even genuine terrorists) has historically restored peace and order to realms.
 
2014-04-28 10:57:29 PM  

SquiggsIN: Yes.  Buying friends has worked out so well for us, historically.

Why is it that our government thinks it's okay to give billions away to other countries when we have plenty at home that we can't pay for?

NO FOREIGN AID from tax dollars.  NONE.  I'm not anti-humanitarian, I just think that if American citizens want to donate to people elsewhere that it should be done privately.  I'm pretty sure there are some domestic investments our taxes could be funding instead.  (perhaps getting all the bridges and dams up to code?)


THIS
 
2014-04-28 10:59:57 PM  
Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Fahmy, who is in Washington for a visit this week, invoked the Patriot Act and Guantanamo Bay to counter U.S. criticism of Egypt's crackdown on Brotherhood members and opposition activists.


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www.justjen.com
 
2014-04-28 11:00:22 PM  
I have to say, it is much easier to achieve convictions when you try a group of individuals collectively and you don't allow them to present evidence or offer a meaningful defense.  The justice system operates so much more efficiently than in the US and we should consider some reforms.
 
2014-04-28 11:05:00 PM  
We need to cut foreign aid because a couple billion dollars can be put to better use!

We can't raise taxes on the rich because tens of billions of dollars wouldn't make any difference!
 
2014-04-28 11:05:38 PM  
Egypt is a lucrative trading partner to the US.  Last year we enjoyed a 3 billion dollar surpluss from that relationship.  It makes sense to keep Egypt in the game.

http://www.ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/middle-east /n orth-africa/egypt
 
2014-04-28 11:05:43 PM  

Gyrfalcon: SithLord: Good job Egypt.  Eradicate the Muslim Brotherhood and restore peace and order to your realm.  Naturally, Obama has a problem with that.

Yeah, wholesale executions of one's political opponents (and even genuine terrorists) has historically restored peace and order to realms.


Not sure if sarcastic....

Because.. It kinda has. It's immoral but it has prolonged the reign of many autocracies.
 
2014-04-28 11:06:48 PM  

chitownmike: X-boxershorts: chitownmike: fusillade762: revrendjim: We should not support barbaric backwards regimes that still have the death penalty.

And those with a disproportionate percentage of their population in jail.

well, That escalated...

Was that too soon? Should they not have done that?

They?


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2014-04-28 11:06:51 PM  
The enemy of my enemy...

Where do the Muslim Brotherhood sit as opposed to Al Qeida?
 
2014-04-28 11:07:46 PM  

Back Alley Proctologist: SquiggsIN: Yes.  Buying friends has worked out so well for us, historically.

Why is it that our government thinks it's okay to give billions away to other countries when we have plenty at home that we can't pay for?

NO FOREIGN AID from tax dollars.  NONE.  I'm not anti-humanitarian, I just think that if American citizens want to donate to people elsewhere that it should be done privately.  I'm pretty sure there are some domestic investments our taxes could be funding instead.  (perhaps getting all the bridges and dams up to code?)

THIS


 foreign aid - a tiny part of our spending - isn't what's keeping us from spending on infrastructure
 
2014-04-28 11:16:03 PM  
All Muslim brotherhood members. you bunch of farking dumbass hippie terrorist loving queer pieces of whiney
shiatcoont s
 
2014-04-28 11:16:16 PM  
I love the quotes at the end of the article:

"Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Fahmy, who is in Washington for a visit this week, invoked the Patriot Act and Guantanamo Bay to counter U.S. criticism of Egypt's crackdown on Brotherhood members and opposition activists.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/04/28/225820/white-house-deeply-troub l ed-by.html#storylink=cpy
He said the legal process should be allowed to follow through, and no one should jump to any conclusions yet."

What process?  683 defendants, 9 minute trial.  Hell they couldn't read out all the names of the defendants in 9 minutes.  There was no process, just a decision by the military controlling Egypt to round up and kill the usual suspects.

The Muslim Brotherhood certainly was consolidating power and planning on imposing control on Egypt before they were overthrown. I don't know that it undermined democracy by removing a budding dictatorship.  The Egyptian military certainly isn't much better and it is unlikely that the election supervised and controlled by the military will be anything but a rubber stamp.  Is a semi-secular dictatorship better than an Islamic dictatorship?  I guess it depends on your values.  The Coptic minority is probably a little more pleased but the military hasn't exactly been protecting the minority in the face of violence by the more extremist Islamic elements.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/04/28/225820/white-house-deeply-troubl ed-by.html#storylink=cpy
 
2014-04-28 11:17:00 PM  
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2014-04-28 11:18:23 PM  
Yeah, because executing a bunch of people who worship martyrdom won't come back to bite you in the ass.
 
2014-04-28 11:23:52 PM  

Stoker: The enemy of my enemy...

Where do the Muslim Brotherhood sit as opposed to Al Qeida?


The current head of al Qaeda used to be a Muslim Brotherhood (40+ years ago or so), got thrown in prison, and went off to join bin Laden and friends.  The Brotherhood itself supposedly denounces violence and has specifically denounced al Qaeda, although I don't know if that's changed now that the government is seriously cracking down again.  The Brotherhood and its sympathizers have been held responsible for some mob violence within Egypt, don't know if that's escalated into terrorist attacks.
 
2014-04-28 11:28:43 PM  

MichiganFTL: There is no possible way we could put that money to better use for U.S. interests by spending it at home. None. At least this way we're building some new palaces for people to allow us to spend many more billions to look the other way as we station air force bases there in the future.



"You have reached the blind alley of the treason you committed when you agreed that you had no right to exist. Once, you believed it was "only a compromise": you conceded it was evil to live for yourself, but moral to live for the sake of your children. Then you conceded that it was selfish to live for your children, but moral to live for your community. Then you conceded that it was selfish to live for your community, but moral to live for your country. Now, you are letting this greatest of countries be devoured by any scum from any corner of the earth, while you concede that it is selfish to live for your country and that your moral duty is to live for the globe."
 
2014-04-28 11:28:56 PM  
No big deal. Just a standard billion dollar robbery of our tax dollars to "protect" some rich guy's foreign financial interests.
 
2014-04-28 11:49:52 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Fahmy, who is in Washington for a visit this week, invoked the Patriot Act and Guantanamo Bay to counter U.S. criticism of Egypt's crackdown on Brotherhood members and opposition activists.


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Yep. Dubya's Debacle, and Obama's continuing support of it, virtually guaranteed that it will be years, if not decades, before we can claim the moral or ethical high ground again when it comes to international law, human rights, or political manipulation. Until we demonstrate that we can once again be trusted, we will be unable to seriously effect real sociopolitical change on a global scale - unless, of course, we do it through war, because that's apparently the only thing at which we're good.
 
2014-04-28 11:52:31 PM  

revrendjim: We should not support barbaric backwards regimes that still have the death penalty.


Thread over in three.
 
2014-04-28 11:53:55 PM  

SithLord: Good job Egypt. Eradicate the Muslim Brotherhood and restore peace and order to your realm. Naturally, Obama has a problem with that.


Yeah.  The OP got it wrong--these aren't simply political opponents, they're killers.  Even if they didn't all individually kill they took part in killings.

And of course Obama has trouble with that--he suffers from a usual problem of the left, an inflated sense of what diplomacy can do.  The Islamist position is inherently unable to recognize peace with non-Islamists, diplomacy will not work.

Arkanaut: The current head of al Qaeda used to be a Muslim Brotherhood (40+ years ago or so), got thrown in prison, and went off to join bin Laden and friends. The Brotherhood itself supposedly denounces violence and has specifically denounced al Qaeda, although I don't know if that's changed now that the government is seriously cracking down again. The Brotherhood and its sympathizers have been held responsible for some mob violence within Egypt, don't know if that's escalated into terrorist attacks.


The Muslim Brotherhood pretends to be moderates.  We saw what they were really after in Egypt--and it wasn't moderate.  The military had finally had enough and threw them out--at which point they went into armed rebellion.  The rebellion was put down, these are the combatants and their leaders.
 
2014-04-28 11:59:03 PM  
Why don't we shove a feather up their asses and just keep the money. That way, we'll all be tickled.
 
2014-04-29 12:00:24 AM  

Eps05: Gyrfalcon: SithLord: Good job Egypt.  Eradicate the Muslim Brotherhood and restore peace and order to your realm.  Naturally, Obama has a problem with that.

Yeah, wholesale executions of one's political opponents (and even genuine terrorists) has historically restored peace and order to realms.

Not sure if sarcastic....

Because.. It kinda has. It's immoral but it has prolonged the reign of many autocracies.


No, it kind of has not. It may have prolonged the reign as you say...but it has never restored "peace and order" to those autocracies, nor has it ensured the stability of those reigns, except by use of more force and oppression. The only thing wholesale executions and massacres has ever done is eventually lead to the overthrow of the regime that ordered them.
 
2014-04-29 12:03:36 AM  

Loren: The Muslim Brotherhood pretends to be moderates.  We saw what they were really after in Egypt--and it wasn't moderate.  The military had finally had enough and threw them out--at which point they went into armed rebellion.  The rebellion was put down, these are the combatants and their leaders.


Well, the Brotherhood wasn't moderate or fair to the other parties in the government, but they weren't militants either. That's not saying much, but I don't think it's worth executing them by the hundreds either.
 
2014-04-29 12:20:50 AM  
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The US Navy gets priority access to the Suez. It's hugely important. Duh.
 
2014-04-29 12:22:27 AM  

SquiggsIN: I'm pretty sure there are some domestic investments our taxes could be funding instead. (perhaps getting all the bridges and dams up to code?)


Yep, drove over the Tappen Zee Bridge going to NJ this weekend. My boyfriend was laughing at me for being terrified until I noted they were building a new bridge because that one is literally falling apart and HUGE.
 
2014-04-29 12:24:23 AM  

CruJones: The only aid we should give to anyone is food.


Like all the crops that farmers get paid to not grow, destroy, or just fined for. That'd help a lot.
 
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