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2014-04-28 11:19:37 PM  
6 votes:
All I see here is the Chinese treating Christians in the same manner that the Christians want the U.S. to treat Muslims.
2014-04-28 10:42:06 PM  
5 votes:

Nemo's Brother: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!

As a Christian, I agree. Allowing others in our country to worship or not worship a different god is not an oppression of my rights. But the PC media dare not bring up on the war on Christianity and Judaism in the Middle East and northern Africa.


Gee I know, it really tugs on the heartstrings to see religious minorities getting persecuted by radical, violent, state-backed fundamentalists. Thankfully nothing like that ever happens in America, due to the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state.
2014-04-28 08:17:29 PM  
5 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!


yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!
2014-04-28 11:21:30 PM  
4 votes:

Kurmudgeon: See Militant Atheists, imagine what the religious right will do and say once you try imposing rules like that here.
You will justify ever bit of fear mongering they ever said, then the fun will begin.


-47/10 Come on, that's not even trying.
2014-04-28 08:25:12 PM  
4 votes:
Tearing dpwn churches = persecution/oppression

Having to include contraception in health insurance plans =/= persecution/oppression

Now, STFU whiny American Christians
2014-04-29 12:18:26 AM  
3 votes:
Nemo's Brother:  But the PC media dare not bring up on the war on Christianity and Judaism in the Middle East and northern Africa.

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2014-04-28 11:20:32 PM  
3 votes:
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2014-04-29 12:26:22 AM  
2 votes:

impaler: gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.

Why is it you can't find any "radical anti-Christians" that say they want to do this? The only people that say "radical anti-Christians" want to do this are the religious right, that derive power from instilling fear in their base.

Why is that?

Answer.


Remembering that this IS Fark, where people will say anything, there are quite a few people with "When can we start this here" and "it's a good start" comments above, along with some folks saying the like on Youtube. Admittedly, two very bad places for a genuine social survey, but it's out there.
2014-04-29 12:06:11 AM  
2 votes:

Kurmudgeon: See Militant Atheists, imagine what the religious right will do and say once you try imposing rules like that here.


So if a largely non-existent population of militant atheists get total power, the reaction of the religious right will be what China's doing, despite the fact they don't have power because the militant atheists have the power. And oh yeah, these followers of peaceful Jesus are just waiting for an excuse to get mid-evil on your ass.

This is what Republicans actually believe.
2014-04-28 11:45:56 PM  
2 votes:
Unlike what many say, China isn't actually anti-religion.  Rather, they come down very harshly on any group that claims any ultimate authority other than Beijing.  This is how Christianity (and some other religions) get themselves on Beijing's shait list:  They're breaking the #1 commandment of China: Thou shalt have no other supreme authority other than Beijing.

Religions like Buddhism do not attempt to usurp the state's authority and thus generally do not draw Beijing's wrath.
2014-04-28 09:45:26 PM  
2 votes:

impaler: Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?


I guess they forgot to pay off the proper party comrades
2014-04-28 07:54:35 PM  
2 votes:
Now that's what I call persecution!
2014-04-29 09:49:32 AM  
1 votes:

drxym: Just like other dictators, he attempted first to control religion and then replace it with a cult of the personality. It's still a religion, just one centred around a living person.


Agreed.  The "atheist" leaders that routinely get blamed are nothing of the kind.  They just have their own religions.  Marxism is certainly a religion--a core set of beliefs taken on faith, any attempt to debate them is treated as blasphemy.
2014-04-29 09:24:01 AM  
1 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: Umm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler , it's much more complicated than that.


Just like other dictators, he attempted first to control religion and then replace it with a cult of the personality. It's still a religion, just one centred around a living person.
2014-04-29 09:10:59 AM  
1 votes:

anuran: Hitler was a Catholic


Umm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler , it's much more complicated than that.
2014-04-29 04:47:21 AM  
1 votes:

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.

Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.

The book I got the 10 million figure from is "Death by Government" by R.J. Rummel
Interesting read. Here's one of his tallies:

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You're a liar and a lousy one, ScreamingHangover.

Chiang-Kai Shek was religious.
Hitler was a Catholic
Tojo was a Shintoist
Stalin was a member of the Orthodox Church
2014-04-29 02:41:34 AM  
1 votes:

Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?


Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.
2014-04-29 02:27:57 AM  
1 votes:

nulluspixiusdemonica: walktoanarcade:  both of us are quite stuck with tons of consequences from very earthy masters should we step out of line.

1) You're subscribing to the idea that hyperbole is factual..


Um,   You do know that sentence makes no sense, right?  (it's late, I understand)

Yes, hyperbole goes on all around us. Why, in another thread some Farkers are calling "The Simpsons" a good show, or even a great show that should go on and on. That's hyperbole, dude.

Saying that Christians are psychos is exactly the same kind of talk you'll get from those you deride, so you're in "good" company.

And you point #2 proves that you do not read the Bible.  I'm not just kidding around a bit, I'm serious. The Devil AKA Satan tempts, but can't make anyone do anything. God does that. And stoning women is against the teaching of Jesus(though most know that, I grant you).

It seems to me that for someone who hates it for the reasons you give, maybe you shouldn't hate it since they're unfounded.
2014-04-29 02:01:47 AM  
1 votes:

nulluspixiusdemonica: walktoanarcade: you know God is real and you hate being held accountable for anything

Right... because xtianity is *all* about accountability....

You may want to rethink your point.... Atheists know they're accountable because that's how the world works. Theists pretend accountability can be doled out to various imaginary friends....


It practically is all about accountability. That's not the whole shebang, but it's a large part of it.

And do you think I can do anything I want and my local police will look the other way?  "Oh, it's ok! It's OK, I can light this dumpster on fire...because..my religion."COPS: *Gasp!*  (they tremble with fear and fall away whilst I vandalize)

Be glad that we may disagree on this, but both of us are quite stuck with tons of consequences from very earthy masters should we step out of line.
2014-04-29 01:58:41 AM  
1 votes:

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


Well communism has a long history of being very down on religions and churches in general.  Russia had a solid history of going after the orthodox faiths.  Everyone knows how bad they've been to the Tibetan Buddhist.  Shouldn't be a surprise they would go after the Christian's when they find themselves in conflict with the party.
2014-04-29 01:05:57 AM  
1 votes:
So, apparently, using your nationalistic education system to intellectually stunt your population so that they'll blindly accept your propaganda of nationalistic worship will also make them susceptible to other authoritarian hierarchical organizations seeking worship and blind acceptance of a worldview closed to question?

I'm shocked.  Shocked, I say!
2014-04-29 12:26:45 AM  
1 votes:

whatshisname: -47/10 Come on, that's not even trying


Talk about not even trying, post some made up fraction, then use that for a response.
Your post is almost as tired as the one with the pie chart.
I expect HaHa guy is next. You want an atheist wonderland, go to China, there it is.
2014-04-29 12:19:58 AM  
1 votes:

impaler: gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.

Why is it you can't find any "radical anti-Christians" that say they want to do this? The only people that say "radical anti-Christians" want to do this are the religious right, that derive power from instilling fear in their base.

Why is that?

Answer.


I'm certainly not religious and I'm more centrist than right.

Maybe they don't actually want the government to destroy churches, but the glee expressed in this thread and the general attitude of some people makes me think they'd experience a good bit of schadenfreude if it did happen.

Look at the great lengths some will go to to erase crosses from city seals despite historical significance  or freak out if a student references God during a graduation speech.

One extreme on the part of some people does not justify extremism on the part of the other.
2014-04-29 12:15:12 AM  
1 votes:

gfid: This isn't persecution.  Look at North Korea.

WTF is wrong with you people?

It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


this is too much wharrgarbl
2014-04-29 12:10:20 AM  
1 votes:

gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


Why is it you can't find any "radical anti-Christians" that say they want to do this? The only people that say "radical anti-Christians" want to do this are the religious right, that derive power from instilling fear in their base.

Why is that?

Answer.
2014-04-29 12:05:06 AM  
1 votes:
This isn't persecution.  Look at North Korea.

WTF is wrong with you people?

It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.
2014-04-29 12:02:43 AM  
1 votes:

Loren: Unlike what many say, China isn't actually anti-religion.  Rather, they come down very harshly on any group that claims any ultimate authority other than Beijing.  This is how Christianity (and some other religions) get themselves on Beijing's shait list:  They're breaking the #1 commandment of China: Thou shalt have no other supreme authority other than Beijing.

Religions like Buddhism do not attempt to usurp the state's authority and thus generally do not draw Beijing's wrath.


They are, in fact, still anti-religion, at least as a private organization. The govt's goal is to suppress all religions whose leaders are not fully controlled by the govt.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA3001820140401?irpc=932
2014-04-28 11:37:46 PM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Some Coke Drinking Guy: See Christians, that is what persecution looks like.

See Militant Atheists, imagine what the religious right will do and say once you try imposing rules like that here.
You will justify ever bit of fear mongering they ever said, then the fun will begin.


What the I don't even
2014-04-28 11:15:43 PM  
1 votes:
See Christians, that is what persecution looks like.  What it doesn't look like, is when the government tells you that you can't have your holy icons inside a courthouse, or when they won't let your children bully the gay kids.
2014-04-28 11:15:40 PM  
1 votes:

impaler: Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?


The code that says that officials get to make up whatever rules and enforce them on whomever they want.
2014-04-28 10:56:52 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!



Persecution my arse.

It's what I call a good start.

Christianity in Asian countries is nothing more than eating and liking McDonald's.
2014-04-28 10:52:43 PM  
1 votes:

TUBBYtheTOOBER: Tearing down the only good looking building in China. It existing made Made In China seem expensive.


RLY?

That's a house of a god with a very tiny penis.
i.telegraph.co.uk
Money could have been better spent on tiger penises.
2014-04-28 10:48:38 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!


Do you tell women the same thing? Send her a link of a woman buried up to her neck and being stoned to death?
2014-04-28 10:41:28 PM  
1 votes:
If I were Jesus, and there was a war against Me, I'd smite the living hell out of everybody involved. I wouldn't have stood there while they crucified Me, either. And you better believe I'd have gotten laid about thirty times a day.

All in all, Christianity would be a damn sight more fun if I were Jesus.
2014-04-28 10:36:12 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!


As a Christian, I agree. Allowing others in our country to worship or not worship a different god is not an oppression of my rights. But the PC media dare not bring up on the war on Christianity and Judaism in the Middle East and northern Africa.
 
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