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2014-04-29 12:18:26 AM  
Nemo's Brother:  But the PC media dare not bring up on the war on Christianity and Judaism in the Middle East and northern Africa.

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2014-04-29 12:19:58 AM  

impaler: gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.

Why is it you can't find any "radical anti-Christians" that say they want to do this? The only people that say "radical anti-Christians" want to do this are the religious right, that derive power from instilling fear in their base.

Why is that?

Answer.


I'm certainly not religious and I'm more centrist than right.

Maybe they don't actually want the government to destroy churches, but the glee expressed in this thread and the general attitude of some people makes me think they'd experience a good bit of schadenfreude if it did happen.

Look at the great lengths some will go to to erase crosses from city seals despite historical significance  or freak out if a student references God during a graduation speech.

One extreme on the part of some people does not justify extremism on the part of the other.
 
2014-04-29 12:20:26 AM  
You remember all those Satan cults that rampart in the 80s?

This is what they wanted.
 
2014-04-29 12:25:06 AM  
Good


/eagerly awaiting when the Vatican will be invaded and destroyed
 
2014-04-29 12:26:22 AM  

impaler: gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.

Why is it you can't find any "radical anti-Christians" that say they want to do this? The only people that say "radical anti-Christians" want to do this are the religious right, that derive power from instilling fear in their base.

Why is that?

Answer.


Remembering that this IS Fark, where people will say anything, there are quite a few people with "When can we start this here" and "it's a good start" comments above, along with some folks saying the like on Youtube. Admittedly, two very bad places for a genuine social survey, but it's out there.
 
2014-04-29 12:26:45 AM  

whatshisname: -47/10 Come on, that's not even trying


Talk about not even trying, post some made up fraction, then use that for a response.
Your post is almost as tired as the one with the pie chart.
I expect HaHa guy is next. You want an atheist wonderland, go to China, there it is.
 
2014-04-29 12:30:50 AM  

gfid: Maybe they don't actually want the government to destroy churches, but the glee expressed in this thread and the general attitude of some people makes me think they'd experience a good bit of schadenfreude if it did happen.


What schadenfreude? All I see is "this is what oppression looks like." Any schadenfreude is how dumb they look.

Like saying this shat, as if it's remotely comparable:

gfid: Look at the great lengths some will go to to erase crosses from city seals despite historical significance  or freak out if a student references God during a graduation speech.


How many people even know their city seal? Most atheists don't care if their seal has a cross on it, but why does it matter? The same reason I don't care a seal has a cross on it is the same reason if it gets removed I don't give a shiat either. If matters it shouldn't be there, or doesn't and doesn't matter.

As for god references in valedictorian speeches, that's fine. They just can't lead everyone in prayer. Not that I give a shat, because it doesn't mean anything in that situation. If matters it shouldn't be there, or doesn't and doesn't matter.
 
2014-04-29 12:32:41 AM  
Too drunk to care. @u
 
2014-04-29 12:38:44 AM  

SanjiSasuke: Remembering that this IS Fark, where people will say anything, there are quite a few people with "When can we start this here" and "it's a good start" comments above, along with some folks saying the like on Youtube. Admittedly, two very bad places for a genuine social survey, but it's out there.


Well there are people that honestly thing the US government doesn't exist. I wouldn't say they are politically relevant.

Call me when someone from either group is propped up as a hero from a major news network.
 
2014-04-29 12:39:24 AM  

GungFu: Christianity in Asian countries is nothing more than eating and liking McDonald's.


I suppose you're probably joking, but in case you're serious or someone else reading this thinks you were, there are plenty of Asian Christians who take their faith very, very seriously.  Obviously not all do, but still many do.

Good grief, why am I even typing this?  Either you're a complete idiot or you were joking or trolling.  Congrats, I bit, you've wasted a minute of my time.
 
2014-04-29 12:39:40 AM  
thing the US government

think the US government...
 
2014-04-29 12:41:51 AM  

impaler: gfid: Maybe they don't actually want the government to destroy churches, but the glee expressed in this thread and the general attitude of some people makes me think they'd experience a good bit of schadenfreude if it did happen.

What schadenfreude? All I see is "this is what oppression looks like." Any schadenfreude is how dumb they look.



"they'd" is a contraction for "they would".  English motherfarker.  Do you speak it?


Like saying this shat, as if it's remotely comparable:
gfid: Look at the great lengths some will go to to erase crosses from city seals despite historical significance  or freak out if a student references God during a graduation speech.

How many people even know their city seal? Most atheists don't care if their seal has a cross on it, but why does it matter? The same reason I don't care a seal has a cross on it is the same reason if it gets removed I don't give a shiat either. If matters it shouldn't be there, or doesn't and doesn't matter.


So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

As for god references in valedictorian speeches, that's fine. They just can't lead everyone in prayer. Not that I give a shat, because it doesn't mean anything in that situation. If matters it shouldn't be there, or doesn't and doesn't matter.

City seals and even graduation speeches have both been the target of lawsuits for referencing God, even when a prayer was not said.

I didn't say it was the same thing as tearing down churches.  It is still extreme.

I'll just repost someone else's reply here to try to make it clear.

SanjiSasuke: Remembering that this IS Fark, where people will say anything, there are quite a few people with "When can we start this here" and "it's a good start" comments above, along with some folks saying the like on Youtube. Admittedly, two very bad places for a genuine social survey, but it's out there.

 
2014-04-29 12:44:39 AM  
Well, christianity has waged a 2000 year war on logic and tolerance, so it's even.
 
2014-04-29 12:51:23 AM  

gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.


Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.
 
2014-04-29 12:54:58 AM  

impaler: gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.


Considering how many kittens have been slaughtered by Farkers, is it any wonder that survivor's angry?
 
2014-04-29 12:56:23 AM  

ciberido: impaler: gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.

Considering how many kittens have been slaughtered by Farkers, is it any wonder that survivor's angry?


Touche
 
2014-04-29 01:00:25 AM  
Can't they just use a 3D printer to make a new one?
 
2014-04-29 01:02:15 AM  

impaler: gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.


Nope.

You're reading comprehension sucks.
 
2014-04-29 01:05:57 AM  
So, apparently, using your nationalistic education system to intellectually stunt your population so that they'll blindly accept your propaganda of nationalistic worship will also make them susceptible to other authoritarian hierarchical organizations seeking worship and blind acceptance of a worldview closed to question?

I'm shocked.  Shocked, I say!
 
2014-04-29 01:06:54 AM  
persephonemagazine.com

This just became a whole new thing.
 
2014-04-29 01:17:18 AM  
Activists accuse Communist Party of 'barbaric' campaign against Christianity after demolition teams and police descend on a church that became a symbol of resistance.

Well now that just made my day, even if it isn't so.
I'm beginning to become tired of conservative christians ragging on me about my lack of "alignment" with their religion.
 
2014-04-29 01:19:33 AM  
"...has become a symbol of resistance...  "

So..... No, not war on Churchistan.
 
2014-04-29 01:32:43 AM  
Theists are hilarious...

"I believe in magical sky faeries."

"Why are you laughing at me!? Stop laughing! Waaaagh! Oppression!"
 
2014-04-29 01:36:15 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: Theists are hilarious...

"I believe in magical sky faeries."

"Why are you laughing at me!? Stop laughing! Waaaagh! Oppression!"


You're just mad because deep down you know God is real and you hate being held accountable for anything.  Now, that's funny.
 
2014-04-29 01:52:30 AM  

walktoanarcade: you know God is real and you hate being held accountable for anything


Right... because xtianity is *all* about accountability....

You may want to rethink your point.... Atheists know they're accountable because that's how the world works. Theists pretend accountability can be doled out to various imaginary friends....
 
2014-04-29 01:58:41 AM  

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


Well communism has a long history of being very down on religions and churches in general.  Russia had a solid history of going after the orthodox faiths.  Everyone knows how bad they've been to the Tibetan Buddhist.  Shouldn't be a surprise they would go after the Christian's when they find themselves in conflict with the party.
 
2014-04-29 02:01:47 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: walktoanarcade: you know God is real and you hate being held accountable for anything

Right... because xtianity is *all* about accountability....

You may want to rethink your point.... Atheists know they're accountable because that's how the world works. Theists pretend accountability can be doled out to various imaginary friends....


It practically is all about accountability. That's not the whole shebang, but it's a large part of it.

And do you think I can do anything I want and my local police will look the other way?  "Oh, it's ok! It's OK, I can light this dumpster on fire...because..my religion."COPS: *Gasp!*  (they tremble with fear and fall away whilst I vandalize)

Be glad that we may disagree on this, but both of us are quite stuck with tons of consequences from very earthy masters should we step out of line.
 
2014-04-29 02:01:51 AM  

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.
 
2014-04-29 02:03:52 AM  
*earthly


P.S. Peace to you all. I truly, honestly want everyone to get along regardless of religiosity.
 
2014-04-29 02:09:03 AM  

Noishkel: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

Well communism has a long history of being very down on religions and churches in general.  Russia had a solid history of going after the orthodox faiths.  Everyone knows how bad they've been to the Tibetan Buddhist.  Shouldn't be a surprise they would go after the Christian's when they find themselves in conflict with the party.


Even Buddhism in Canton AKA Guangdong. My friend born there who came to SF at age 11 recounts how in the old country how secretive and don't tell anybody his mother was about religious activity.
 
2014-04-29 02:11:40 AM  

Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.



So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?
 
2014-04-29 02:15:51 AM  

walktoanarcade:  both of us are quite stuck with tons of consequences from very earthy masters should we step out of line.


1) You're subscribing to the idea that hyperbole is factual.. it isn't. We don't need religion to maintain social norms, approved behaviours or niceties.
2) It's good because <insert holy tome here> says it's all good. The devil made me do it. Stoning women is my sacred duty. Etc, etc, etc. I'll be fine once I've been to confession.

Theists are hilarious. The fact that their particular psychosis enjoys legal protection is depressing.
 
2014-04-29 02:21:34 AM  

Loren: Unlike what many say, China isn't actually anti-religion.  Rather, they come down very harshly on any group that claims any ultimate authority other than Beijing.  This is how Christianity (and some other religions) get themselves on Beijing's shait list:  They're breaking the #1 commandment of China: Thou shalt have no other supreme authority other than Beijing.

Religions like Buddhism do not attempt to usurp the state's authority and thus generally do not draw Beijing's wrath.


And Beijing declared themselves god. They built factories without regard to the weakest of them and I smite Beijing with the plague of air that they could not breathe. And they call themselves god and cut down all the trees in the desert and I smite Beijing with the plague of sandstorms.
 
2014-04-29 02:27:57 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: walktoanarcade:  both of us are quite stuck with tons of consequences from very earthy masters should we step out of line.

1) You're subscribing to the idea that hyperbole is factual..


Um,   You do know that sentence makes no sense, right?  (it's late, I understand)

Yes, hyperbole goes on all around us. Why, in another thread some Farkers are calling "The Simpsons" a good show, or even a great show that should go on and on. That's hyperbole, dude.

Saying that Christians are psychos is exactly the same kind of talk you'll get from those you deride, so you're in "good" company.

And you point #2 proves that you do not read the Bible.  I'm not just kidding around a bit, I'm serious. The Devil AKA Satan tempts, but can't make anyone do anything. God does that. And stoning women is against the teaching of Jesus(though most know that, I grant you).

It seems to me that for someone who hates it for the reasons you give, maybe you shouldn't hate it since they're unfounded.
 
2014-04-29 02:29:58 AM  

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?


Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?
 
2014-04-29 02:41:34 AM  

Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?


Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.
 
2014-04-29 03:00:15 AM  

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.


Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.
 
2014-04-29 03:05:26 AM  

gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


You're got-damned right we do.
 
2014-04-29 03:05:54 AM  
Many of us think that we have it bad here in the US

We are nothing like the rest of the world. Over there people really do get persecuted, unlike our pansy definition of persecution via a cross on the side of the road. We are a bunch of drama queens.
 
2014-04-29 03:08:16 AM  

gfid: This isn't persecution.  Look at North Korea.

WTF is wrong with you people?

It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


There are extremes in any group. There are conservative groups that range from acceptance of homosexuals to groups that advocate in their genocide. Diversity of opinion is found in every form of life. The good news is is those anti-Christians of whom you speak are in no position of power to "persecute" you.
 
2014-04-29 03:19:43 AM  

Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.

Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.


The book I got the 10 million figure from is "Death by Government" by R.J. Rummel
Interesting read. Here's one of his tallies:

www.compellingtruth.org
 
2014-04-29 03:21:47 AM  

cman: gfid: This isn't persecution.  Look at North Korea.

WTF is wrong with you people?

It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.

There are extremes in any group. There are conservative groups that range from acceptance of homosexuals to groups that advocate in their genocide. Diversity of opinion is found in every form of life. The good news is is those anti-Christians of whom you speak are in no position of power to "persecute" you.


And neither are the extremist Christians or even extremist Muslims really.

It's just interesting how some folks just lump all Christians together as if there were no diversity of opinion.

But back to the actual story

China has been known to do this to small rural villages where people live in what are basically huts.

In this case, I'm not really so inclined to believe the Chinese officials.  This is the first of 10 planned demolitions in the area.

This was an interesting line from a later article.

However, in an address to Communist Party members earlier this year a senior official for religious affairs complained that Christianity's growth had been "too excessive and too haphazard.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10794749/China- de nies-declaring-war-on-Christians-after-mega-church-is-razed.html


i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-04-29 03:32:31 AM  

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.

Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.

The book I got the 10 million figure from is "Death by Government" by R.J. Rummel
Interesting read. Here's one of his tallies:

[www.compellingtru ...


I can agree to Mao, Hitler, and Pol Pot. I don't deny that 10M is possible for Chiang and 42M is possible for Stalin. What I don't get is how Japan gets off with just 4M when 20M were killed in China alone by Japan in WWII.
 
2014-04-29 03:45:18 AM  

gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


You're not "dignifying" someone by making a statement of fact. If someone doesn't believe in god then they're an atheist. It doesn't mean anything else about their character, their lifestyle, their sexual preferences, their intelligence, their favourite colour, or their thoughts one way or another about religion. All they have in common is their lack of belief in a supernatural being.

But as far as your "radical anti-Christians" ready to tear down churches let's see you provide evidence that they exist in reality as a mainstream movement (or any movement for that matter) outside of your strawman imagination.

Virtually all outspoken atheists and secularists actually have no problem with religion existing however they do not consider it right or proper that it enjoys special status in society, government, or the tax system. A secular country would actually enshrine a religion's right to exist under law and protect its buildings from destruction. But it wouldn't tolerate religion operating as a money making racket.
 
2014-04-29 03:46:10 AM  
I believe the numbers in that table are for "democide",  or the murder of people by their government. So the figure for Tojo would be only for the Japanese deaths he caused.
 
2014-04-29 04:44:34 AM  

Kevin72: What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


Chiang Kai-Shek? You're bringing him and his wife up as Chinese heroes? They were as venal and corrupt as they come.
 
2014-04-29 04:47:21 AM  

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.

Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.

The book I got the 10 million figure from is "Death by Government" by R.J. Rummel
Interesting read. Here's one of his tallies:

[www.compellingtru ...


You're a liar and a lousy one, ScreamingHangover.

Chiang-Kai Shek was religious.
Hitler was a Catholic
Tojo was a Shintoist
Stalin was a member of the Orthodox Church
 
2014-04-29 04:50:54 AM  
Children should have to learn the "I am Euphoric" speech in elementary school.
 
2014-04-29 06:48:18 AM  

gfid: impaler: gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.

Nope.

You're reading comprehension sucks.


Lol
 
2014-04-29 06:53:38 AM  
Hey! Morons.

China's screwing you over WAY more than just your religious-ness...

/Just thought I'd try to point you in a direction to pay attention to, that MATTERS.
 
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