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2014-04-28 07:54:35 PM
Now that's what I call persecution!
 
2014-04-28 08:12:23 PM
Bob Fu, a US-based Christian activist

His Bob Fu is strong.
 
2014-04-28 08:17:29 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!


yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!
 
2014-04-28 08:25:12 PM
Tearing dpwn churches = persecution/oppression

Having to include contraception in health insurance plans =/= persecution/oppression

Now, STFU whiny American Christians
 
2014-04-28 09:36:58 PM
Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?
 
2014-04-28 09:44:02 PM
The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.
 
2014-04-28 09:45:26 PM

impaler: Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?


I guess they forgot to pay off the proper party comrades
 
2014-04-28 10:36:12 PM

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!


As a Christian, I agree. Allowing others in our country to worship or not worship a different god is not an oppression of my rights. But the PC media dare not bring up on the war on Christianity and Judaism in the Middle East and northern Africa.
 
2014-04-28 10:37:59 PM
I was reading the other day that China will soon have more Christians than the US
 
2014-04-28 10:39:24 PM

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


Well and a couple hundred years of Christian with one hand, opium with the other and gunboat diplomacy up their Yang-zee.
 
2014-04-28 10:41:28 PM
If I were Jesus, and there was a war against Me, I'd smite the living hell out of everybody involved. I wouldn't have stood there while they crucified Me, either. And you better believe I'd have gotten laid about thirty times a day.

All in all, Christianity would be a damn sight more fun if I were Jesus.
 
2014-04-28 10:41:52 PM

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head --


And tear down their church.
 
2014-04-28 10:42:06 PM

Nemo's Brother: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!

As a Christian, I agree. Allowing others in our country to worship or not worship a different god is not an oppression of my rights. But the PC media dare not bring up on the war on Christianity and Judaism in the Middle East and northern Africa.


Gee I know, it really tugs on the heartstrings to see religious minorities getting persecuted by radical, violent, state-backed fundamentalists. Thankfully nothing like that ever happens in America, due to the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state.
 
2014-04-28 10:42:46 PM
Tearing down the only good looking building in China. It existing made Made In China seem expensive.
 
2014-04-28 10:43:17 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: If I were Jesus, and there was a war against Me, I'd smite the living hell out of everybody involved. I wouldn't have stood there while they crucified Me, either. And you better believe I'd have gotten laid about thirty times a day.

All in all, Christianity would be a damn sight more fun if I were Jesus.


Remember, it's turning water into beer, not the other way around.
 
2014-04-28 10:44:31 PM
I thought Atheism was the religion of peace! /sarcasm
 
2014-04-28 10:44:38 PM

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!


uh, we don't want em over here either. can't you see how much we don't want them?

met a dude who brought in a duffel bag of bibles one time. for farks sake...just stay home!
 
2014-04-28 10:46:59 PM

Snarfangel: Mambo Bananapatch: If I were Jesus, and there was a war against Me, I'd smite the living hell out of everybody involved. I wouldn't have stood there while they crucified Me, either. And you better believe I'd have gotten laid about thirty times a day.

All in all, Christianity would be a damn sight more fun if I were Jesus.

Remember, it's turning water into beer, not the other way around.


Son, if I were the Christ, beer would be delivered unto they who believed in Me, on demand. You might want to stay off the roads though.
 
2014-04-28 10:47:11 PM
Mr.  Gorbachev Xi Jinping, tear that  wall church down!
 
2014-04-28 10:48:38 PM

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!


Do you tell women the same thing? Send her a link of a woman buried up to her neck and being stoned to death?
 
2014-04-28 10:49:39 PM
i.telegraph.co.uk

Looks a bit like...

2.bp.blogspot.com

hasa diga ebowai!
 
2014-04-28 10:50:56 PM
eh.. it's a nice start.  Good Job China!

get back to me when you make a real impact on these morons.
 
2014-04-28 10:52:43 PM

TUBBYtheTOOBER: Tearing down the only good looking building in China. It existing made Made In China seem expensive.


RLY?

That's a house of a god with a very tiny penis.
i.telegraph.co.uk
Money could have been better spent on tiger penises.
 
2014-04-28 10:53:31 PM

Mister_poopy_pants: [i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x287]

Looks a bit like...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]

hasa diga ebowai!


Look at that Moron(i) with the trumpet on that second one!
 
2014-04-28 10:54:23 PM

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


Not just the Taiping Rebellion but the Boxer Rebellion, the involvement of the Churches in the Opium Wars, the huge tracts of China carved out for missionaries "to civilize the heathen Chinee", so on and so forth. "Buddha came into China on a white horse. Christ came in on a cannonball."
 
2014-04-28 10:54:31 PM

impaler: Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?


some one didn't properly bribe his party official
 
2014-04-28 10:56:52 PM

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!



Persecution my arse.

It's what I call a good start.

Christianity in Asian countries is nothing more than eating and liking McDonald's.
 
2014-04-28 11:00:11 PM
Maybe FOX News might actually learn something from this.

And why do I find this somewhat funny? Like "How dare you try to push your Christianity over our Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism. Eat this."
 
2014-04-28 11:10:34 PM
Are you happy now Fark?  Actual persecution going on here. I guess I should be grateful this didn't get an unlikely tag.
 
2014-04-28 11:11:42 PM

impaler: Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?


Not enough melamine cut into the portland. A clear violation.
 
2014-04-28 11:13:03 PM
So, when do we start on such public works projects here in 'Murica?
 
2014-04-28 11:13:39 PM

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!


Thing is, they're aware of the persecution in China, and I've heard Christians talk about it all the time. But they either think that the US will end up that way, or, even worse, they compare themselves to the people in China.
 
2014-04-28 11:15:40 PM

impaler: Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?


The code that says that officials get to make up whatever rules and enforce them on whomever they want.
 
2014-04-28 11:15:43 PM
See Christians, that is what persecution looks like.  What it doesn't look like, is when the government tells you that you can't have your holy icons inside a courthouse, or when they won't let your children bully the gay kids.
 
2014-04-28 11:19:37 PM
All I see here is the Chinese treating Christians in the same manner that the Christians want the U.S. to treat Muslims.
 
2014-04-28 11:20:21 PM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: See Christians, that is what persecution looks like.


See Militant Atheists, imagine what the religious right will do and say once you try imposing rules like that here.
You will justify ever bit of fear mongering they ever said, then the fun will begin.
 
2014-04-28 11:20:22 PM
Well, it is a really ugly church. Looks like it was made out of Lego.

But yeah, China hates religion. Gets in the way of worshiping the government.
 
2014-04-28 11:20:32 PM
hill-kleerup.org
 
2014-04-28 11:21:30 PM

Kurmudgeon: See Militant Atheists, imagine what the religious right will do and say once you try imposing rules like that here.
You will justify ever bit of fear mongering they ever said, then the fun will begin.


-47/10 Come on, that's not even trying.
 
2014-04-28 11:24:06 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Tearing dpwn churches = persecution/oppression

Having to include contraception in health insurance plans =/= persecution/oppression

Now, STFU whiny American Christians



Seriously... the only time one should speak up is when someone else is calling them stupid for their beliefs, or outright saying "Missionaries killed by locals! HAH! Take that, Christians!"

That's abuse... everything else is just free speech when compared to what others have to go through.
 
2014-04-28 11:36:27 PM
Lots of Christians in China. 2-4% overall, a large % in some areas. China actually has a freedom of religion, but it's a short list of sanctioned ones. And only available to adults over the age of 18.

I'd go with the argument they didn't keep the bribes up. You could see steel where they ripped the skin off it, so it's probably earthquake safe.
 
2014-04-28 11:37:22 PM
China... where the war on Christmas involves armored columns, artillery and air support.

The USA... where the war on Christmas involves wishing someone "Happy Holidays!"
 
2014-04-28 11:37:46 PM

Kurmudgeon: Some Coke Drinking Guy: See Christians, that is what persecution looks like.

See Militant Atheists, imagine what the religious right will do and say once you try imposing rules like that here.
You will justify ever bit of fear mongering they ever said, then the fun will begin.


What the I don't even
 
2014-04-28 11:38:25 PM
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-04-28 11:45:56 PM
Unlike what many say, China isn't actually anti-religion.  Rather, they come down very harshly on any group that claims any ultimate authority other than Beijing.  This is how Christianity (and some other religions) get themselves on Beijing's shait list:  They're breaking the #1 commandment of China: Thou shalt have no other supreme authority other than Beijing.

Religions like Buddhism do not attempt to usurp the state's authority and thus generally do not draw Beijing's wrath.
 
2014-04-29 12:02:23 AM

ScreamingHangover: All I see here is the Chinese treating Christians in the same manner that the Christians want the U.S. to treat Muslims.


Nah, they're not waterboarding them.
 
2014-04-29 12:02:43 AM

Loren: Unlike what many say, China isn't actually anti-religion.  Rather, they come down very harshly on any group that claims any ultimate authority other than Beijing.  This is how Christianity (and some other religions) get themselves on Beijing's shait list:  They're breaking the #1 commandment of China: Thou shalt have no other supreme authority other than Beijing.

Religions like Buddhism do not attempt to usurp the state's authority and thus generally do not draw Beijing's wrath.


They are, in fact, still anti-religion, at least as a private organization. The govt's goal is to suppress all religions whose leaders are not fully controlled by the govt.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA3001820140401?irpc=932
 
2014-04-29 12:05:06 AM
This isn't persecution.  Look at North Korea.

WTF is wrong with you people?

It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.
 
2014-04-29 12:06:11 AM

Kurmudgeon: See Militant Atheists, imagine what the religious right will do and say once you try imposing rules like that here.


So if a largely non-existent population of militant atheists get total power, the reaction of the religious right will be what China's doing, despite the fact they don't have power because the militant atheists have the power. And oh yeah, these followers of peaceful Jesus are just waiting for an excuse to get mid-evil on your ass.

This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2014-04-29 12:10:20 AM

gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


Why is it you can't find any "radical anti-Christians" that say they want to do this? The only people that say "radical anti-Christians" want to do this are the religious right, that derive power from instilling fear in their base.

Why is that?

Answer.
 
2014-04-29 12:15:12 AM

gfid: This isn't persecution.  Look at North Korea.

WTF is wrong with you people?

It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


this is too much wharrgarbl
 
2014-04-29 12:17:31 AM
Relax.  It's all part of God's plan.
 
2014-04-29 12:18:26 AM
Nemo's Brother:  But the PC media dare not bring up on the war on Christianity and Judaism in the Middle East and northern Africa.

img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-29 12:19:58 AM

impaler: gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.

Why is it you can't find any "radical anti-Christians" that say they want to do this? The only people that say "radical anti-Christians" want to do this are the religious right, that derive power from instilling fear in their base.

Why is that?

Answer.


I'm certainly not religious and I'm more centrist than right.

Maybe they don't actually want the government to destroy churches, but the glee expressed in this thread and the general attitude of some people makes me think they'd experience a good bit of schadenfreude if it did happen.

Look at the great lengths some will go to to erase crosses from city seals despite historical significance  or freak out if a student references God during a graduation speech.

One extreme on the part of some people does not justify extremism on the part of the other.
 
2014-04-29 12:20:26 AM
You remember all those Satan cults that rampart in the 80s?

This is what they wanted.
 
2014-04-29 12:25:06 AM
Good


/eagerly awaiting when the Vatican will be invaded and destroyed
 
2014-04-29 12:26:22 AM

impaler: gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.

Why is it you can't find any "radical anti-Christians" that say they want to do this? The only people that say "radical anti-Christians" want to do this are the religious right, that derive power from instilling fear in their base.

Why is that?

Answer.


Remembering that this IS Fark, where people will say anything, there are quite a few people with "When can we start this here" and "it's a good start" comments above, along with some folks saying the like on Youtube. Admittedly, two very bad places for a genuine social survey, but it's out there.
 
2014-04-29 12:26:45 AM

whatshisname: -47/10 Come on, that's not even trying


Talk about not even trying, post some made up fraction, then use that for a response.
Your post is almost as tired as the one with the pie chart.
I expect HaHa guy is next. You want an atheist wonderland, go to China, there it is.
 
2014-04-29 12:30:50 AM

gfid: Maybe they don't actually want the government to destroy churches, but the glee expressed in this thread and the general attitude of some people makes me think they'd experience a good bit of schadenfreude if it did happen.


What schadenfreude? All I see is "this is what oppression looks like." Any schadenfreude is how dumb they look.

Like saying this shat, as if it's remotely comparable:

gfid: Look at the great lengths some will go to to erase crosses from city seals despite historical significance  or freak out if a student references God during a graduation speech.


How many people even know their city seal? Most atheists don't care if their seal has a cross on it, but why does it matter? The same reason I don't care a seal has a cross on it is the same reason if it gets removed I don't give a shiat either. If matters it shouldn't be there, or doesn't and doesn't matter.

As for god references in valedictorian speeches, that's fine. They just can't lead everyone in prayer. Not that I give a shat, because it doesn't mean anything in that situation. If matters it shouldn't be there, or doesn't and doesn't matter.
 
2014-04-29 12:32:41 AM
Too drunk to care. @u
 
2014-04-29 12:38:44 AM

SanjiSasuke: Remembering that this IS Fark, where people will say anything, there are quite a few people with "When can we start this here" and "it's a good start" comments above, along with some folks saying the like on Youtube. Admittedly, two very bad places for a genuine social survey, but it's out there.


Well there are people that honestly thing the US government doesn't exist. I wouldn't say they are politically relevant.

Call me when someone from either group is propped up as a hero from a major news network.
 
2014-04-29 12:39:24 AM

GungFu: Christianity in Asian countries is nothing more than eating and liking McDonald's.


I suppose you're probably joking, but in case you're serious or someone else reading this thinks you were, there are plenty of Asian Christians who take their faith very, very seriously.  Obviously not all do, but still many do.

Good grief, why am I even typing this?  Either you're a complete idiot or you were joking or trolling.  Congrats, I bit, you've wasted a minute of my time.
 
2014-04-29 12:39:40 AM
thing the US government

think the US government...
 
2014-04-29 12:41:51 AM

impaler: gfid: Maybe they don't actually want the government to destroy churches, but the glee expressed in this thread and the general attitude of some people makes me think they'd experience a good bit of schadenfreude if it did happen.

What schadenfreude? All I see is "this is what oppression looks like." Any schadenfreude is how dumb they look.



"they'd" is a contraction for "they would".  English motherfarker.  Do you speak it?


Like saying this shat, as if it's remotely comparable:
gfid: Look at the great lengths some will go to to erase crosses from city seals despite historical significance  or freak out if a student references God during a graduation speech.

How many people even know their city seal? Most atheists don't care if their seal has a cross on it, but why does it matter? The same reason I don't care a seal has a cross on it is the same reason if it gets removed I don't give a shiat either. If matters it shouldn't be there, or doesn't and doesn't matter.


So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

As for god references in valedictorian speeches, that's fine. They just can't lead everyone in prayer. Not that I give a shat, because it doesn't mean anything in that situation. If matters it shouldn't be there, or doesn't and doesn't matter.

City seals and even graduation speeches have both been the target of lawsuits for referencing God, even when a prayer was not said.

I didn't say it was the same thing as tearing down churches.  It is still extreme.

I'll just repost someone else's reply here to try to make it clear.

SanjiSasuke: Remembering that this IS Fark, where people will say anything, there are quite a few people with "When can we start this here" and "it's a good start" comments above, along with some folks saying the like on Youtube. Admittedly, two very bad places for a genuine social survey, but it's out there.

 
2014-04-29 12:44:39 AM
Well, christianity has waged a 2000 year war on logic and tolerance, so it's even.
 
2014-04-29 12:51:23 AM

gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.


Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.
 
2014-04-29 12:54:58 AM

impaler: gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.


Considering how many kittens have been slaughtered by Farkers, is it any wonder that survivor's angry?
 
2014-04-29 12:56:23 AM

ciberido: impaler: gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.

Considering how many kittens have been slaughtered by Farkers, is it any wonder that survivor's angry?


Touche
 
2014-04-29 01:00:25 AM
Can't they just use a 3D printer to make a new one?
 
2014-04-29 01:02:15 AM

impaler: gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.


Nope.

You're reading comprehension sucks.
 
2014-04-29 01:05:57 AM
So, apparently, using your nationalistic education system to intellectually stunt your population so that they'll blindly accept your propaganda of nationalistic worship will also make them susceptible to other authoritarian hierarchical organizations seeking worship and blind acceptance of a worldview closed to question?

I'm shocked.  Shocked, I say!
 
2014-04-29 01:06:54 AM
persephonemagazine.com

This just became a whole new thing.
 
2014-04-29 01:17:18 AM
Activists accuse Communist Party of 'barbaric' campaign against Christianity after demolition teams and police descend on a church that became a symbol of resistance.

Well now that just made my day, even if it isn't so.
I'm beginning to become tired of conservative christians ragging on me about my lack of "alignment" with their religion.
 
2014-04-29 01:19:33 AM
"...has become a symbol of resistance...  "

So..... No, not war on Churchistan.
 
2014-04-29 01:32:43 AM
Theists are hilarious...

"I believe in magical sky faeries."

"Why are you laughing at me!? Stop laughing! Waaaagh! Oppression!"
 
2014-04-29 01:36:15 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: Theists are hilarious...

"I believe in magical sky faeries."

"Why are you laughing at me!? Stop laughing! Waaaagh! Oppression!"


You're just mad because deep down you know God is real and you hate being held accountable for anything.  Now, that's funny.
 
2014-04-29 01:52:30 AM

walktoanarcade: you know God is real and you hate being held accountable for anything


Right... because xtianity is *all* about accountability....

You may want to rethink your point.... Atheists know they're accountable because that's how the world works. Theists pretend accountability can be doled out to various imaginary friends....
 
2014-04-29 01:58:41 AM

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


Well communism has a long history of being very down on religions and churches in general.  Russia had a solid history of going after the orthodox faiths.  Everyone knows how bad they've been to the Tibetan Buddhist.  Shouldn't be a surprise they would go after the Christian's when they find themselves in conflict with the party.
 
2014-04-29 02:01:47 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: walktoanarcade: you know God is real and you hate being held accountable for anything

Right... because xtianity is *all* about accountability....

You may want to rethink your point.... Atheists know they're accountable because that's how the world works. Theists pretend accountability can be doled out to various imaginary friends....


It practically is all about accountability. That's not the whole shebang, but it's a large part of it.

And do you think I can do anything I want and my local police will look the other way?  "Oh, it's ok! It's OK, I can light this dumpster on fire...because..my religion."COPS: *Gasp!*  (they tremble with fear and fall away whilst I vandalize)

Be glad that we may disagree on this, but both of us are quite stuck with tons of consequences from very earthy masters should we step out of line.
 
2014-04-29 02:01:51 AM

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.
 
2014-04-29 02:03:52 AM
*earthly


P.S. Peace to you all. I truly, honestly want everyone to get along regardless of religiosity.
 
2014-04-29 02:09:03 AM

Noishkel: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

Well communism has a long history of being very down on religions and churches in general.  Russia had a solid history of going after the orthodox faiths.  Everyone knows how bad they've been to the Tibetan Buddhist.  Shouldn't be a surprise they would go after the Christian's when they find themselves in conflict with the party.


Even Buddhism in Canton AKA Guangdong. My friend born there who came to SF at age 11 recounts how in the old country how secretive and don't tell anybody his mother was about religious activity.
 
2014-04-29 02:11:40 AM

Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.



So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?
 
2014-04-29 02:15:51 AM

walktoanarcade:  both of us are quite stuck with tons of consequences from very earthy masters should we step out of line.


1) You're subscribing to the idea that hyperbole is factual.. it isn't. We don't need religion to maintain social norms, approved behaviours or niceties.
2) It's good because <insert holy tome here> says it's all good. The devil made me do it. Stoning women is my sacred duty. Etc, etc, etc. I'll be fine once I've been to confession.

Theists are hilarious. The fact that their particular psychosis enjoys legal protection is depressing.
 
2014-04-29 02:21:34 AM

Loren: Unlike what many say, China isn't actually anti-religion.  Rather, they come down very harshly on any group that claims any ultimate authority other than Beijing.  This is how Christianity (and some other religions) get themselves on Beijing's shait list:  They're breaking the #1 commandment of China: Thou shalt have no other supreme authority other than Beijing.

Religions like Buddhism do not attempt to usurp the state's authority and thus generally do not draw Beijing's wrath.


And Beijing declared themselves god. They built factories without regard to the weakest of them and I smite Beijing with the plague of air that they could not breathe. And they call themselves god and cut down all the trees in the desert and I smite Beijing with the plague of sandstorms.
 
2014-04-29 02:27:57 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: walktoanarcade:  both of us are quite stuck with tons of consequences from very earthy masters should we step out of line.

1) You're subscribing to the idea that hyperbole is factual..


Um,   You do know that sentence makes no sense, right?  (it's late, I understand)

Yes, hyperbole goes on all around us. Why, in another thread some Farkers are calling "The Simpsons" a good show, or even a great show that should go on and on. That's hyperbole, dude.

Saying that Christians are psychos is exactly the same kind of talk you'll get from those you deride, so you're in "good" company.

And you point #2 proves that you do not read the Bible.  I'm not just kidding around a bit, I'm serious. The Devil AKA Satan tempts, but can't make anyone do anything. God does that. And stoning women is against the teaching of Jesus(though most know that, I grant you).

It seems to me that for someone who hates it for the reasons you give, maybe you shouldn't hate it since they're unfounded.
 
2014-04-29 02:29:58 AM

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?


Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?
 
2014-04-29 02:41:34 AM

Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?


Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.
 
2014-04-29 03:00:15 AM

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.


Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.
 
2014-04-29 03:05:26 AM

gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


You're got-damned right we do.
 
2014-04-29 03:05:54 AM
Many of us think that we have it bad here in the US

We are nothing like the rest of the world. Over there people really do get persecuted, unlike our pansy definition of persecution via a cross on the side of the road. We are a bunch of drama queens.
 
2014-04-29 03:08:16 AM

gfid: This isn't persecution.  Look at North Korea.

WTF is wrong with you people?

It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


There are extremes in any group. There are conservative groups that range from acceptance of homosexuals to groups that advocate in their genocide. Diversity of opinion is found in every form of life. The good news is is those anti-Christians of whom you speak are in no position of power to "persecute" you.
 
2014-04-29 03:19:43 AM

Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.

Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.


The book I got the 10 million figure from is "Death by Government" by R.J. Rummel
Interesting read. Here's one of his tallies:

www.compellingtruth.org
 
2014-04-29 03:21:47 AM

cman: gfid: This isn't persecution.  Look at North Korea.

WTF is wrong with you people?

It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.

There are extremes in any group. There are conservative groups that range from acceptance of homosexuals to groups that advocate in their genocide. Diversity of opinion is found in every form of life. The good news is is those anti-Christians of whom you speak are in no position of power to "persecute" you.


And neither are the extremist Christians or even extremist Muslims really.

It's just interesting how some folks just lump all Christians together as if there were no diversity of opinion.

But back to the actual story

China has been known to do this to small rural villages where people live in what are basically huts.

In this case, I'm not really so inclined to believe the Chinese officials.  This is the first of 10 planned demolitions in the area.

This was an interesting line from a later article.

However, in an address to Communist Party members earlier this year a senior official for religious affairs complained that Christianity's growth had been "too excessive and too haphazard.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10794749/China- de nies-declaring-war-on-Christians-after-mega-church-is-razed.html


i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-04-29 03:32:31 AM

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.

Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.

The book I got the 10 million figure from is "Death by Government" by R.J. Rummel
Interesting read. Here's one of his tallies:

[www.compellingtru ...


I can agree to Mao, Hitler, and Pol Pot. I don't deny that 10M is possible for Chiang and 42M is possible for Stalin. What I don't get is how Japan gets off with just 4M when 20M were killed in China alone by Japan in WWII.
 
2014-04-29 03:45:18 AM

gfid: It seems that this is what some radical anti-Christians (I won't even dignify them by calling them atheists) want to do in the US.


You're not "dignifying" someone by making a statement of fact. If someone doesn't believe in god then they're an atheist. It doesn't mean anything else about their character, their lifestyle, their sexual preferences, their intelligence, their favourite colour, or their thoughts one way or another about religion. All they have in common is their lack of belief in a supernatural being.

But as far as your "radical anti-Christians" ready to tear down churches let's see you provide evidence that they exist in reality as a mainstream movement (or any movement for that matter) outside of your strawman imagination.

Virtually all outspoken atheists and secularists actually have no problem with religion existing however they do not consider it right or proper that it enjoys special status in society, government, or the tax system. A secular country would actually enshrine a religion's right to exist under law and protect its buildings from destruction. But it wouldn't tolerate religion operating as a money making racket.
 
2014-04-29 03:46:10 AM
I believe the numbers in that table are for "democide",  or the murder of people by their government. So the figure for Tojo would be only for the Japanese deaths he caused.
 
2014-04-29 04:44:34 AM

Kevin72: What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


Chiang Kai-Shek? You're bringing him and his wife up as Chinese heroes? They were as venal and corrupt as they come.
 
2014-04-29 04:47:21 AM

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.

Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.

The book I got the 10 million figure from is "Death by Government" by R.J. Rummel
Interesting read. Here's one of his tallies:

[www.compellingtru ...


You're a liar and a lousy one, ScreamingHangover.

Chiang-Kai Shek was religious.
Hitler was a Catholic
Tojo was a Shintoist
Stalin was a member of the Orthodox Church
 
2014-04-29 04:50:54 AM
Children should have to learn the "I am Euphoric" speech in elementary school.
 
2014-04-29 06:48:18 AM

gfid: impaler: gfid: So you're just a normal atheist then, not a radical anti-Christian.  I tried to make the distinction.  Very good then.  I didn't mean you then.

Then you're fighting what would be considered a non-existent monster, or a very angry kitten.

Nope.

You're reading comprehension sucks.


Lol
 
2014-04-29 06:53:38 AM
Hey! Morons.

China's screwing you over WAY more than just your religious-ness...

/Just thought I'd try to point you in a direction to pay attention to, that MATTERS.
 
2014-04-29 07:36:04 AM

GungFu: TUBBYtheTOOBER: Tearing down the only good looking building in China. It existing made Made In China seem expensive.

RLY?

That's a house of a god with a very tiny penis.
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x287]
Money could have been better spent on tiger penises.


Yeah, that looks pretty horrible.
 
2014-04-29 08:20:03 AM
bks8.books.google.com  Wait...this happened before didn't it?
 
2014-04-29 08:21:57 AM

ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: ScreamingHangover: Kevin72: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.


So you're saying it was the  Christian influence that made Chiang Kai-Shek a corrupt  dictator who murder over 10 million people?

Are you getting your information from Japan "we were just trying to set up an Asian co-prosperity sphere when the USA dropped those two nukes on us" or just regular Communist propoganda lies about the Republic of China on Taiwan to justify their treason and hide how successful Taiwan has been while keeping freedom of religion, voting, business, and education?

Well, I'm getting some of the body count directly from the former president of Taiwan, but don't let that interfere with your delusions about the coward who took his troops and abandoned Nanking to the Japanese while forbidding it's population to flee.

Based on your link:
1) I agree that the 2-28 incident was deplorable, though I do not see that ten million were murdered then.
2) I do agree with your assesment that Chiang's actions in Nanking/Nanjing were cowardly and lethal. Though Chiang did not do the murdering and raping. The Japanese did.

The book I got the 10 million figure from is "Death by Government" by R.J. Rummel
Interesting read. Here's one of his tallies:

[www.compellingtru ...


What I got out of that list is that Asia sucks.
 
2014-04-29 08:27:30 AM
Or you know...Christianity can stop preying on the poor and uneducated around the world...
 
2014-04-29 08:29:05 AM
The sad part is, they were likely the most sound buildings in the country.
 
2014-04-29 08:33:31 AM

Nemo's Brother: But the PC media dare not bring up on the war on Christianity and Judaism in the Middle East and northern Africa.


NPR covers it. I doubt very much that they're the only ones.
 
2014-04-29 08:58:21 AM

weltallica: [persephonemagazine.com image 590x388]

This just became a whole new thing.


I like to imagine how many West Wing references there were on Fark years ago. That would have been fun. It's nice to see some still pop up from time to time. I'm guessing it's not easy to get the pic you want sometimes considering much of the show was on before bandwidth became more ubiquitous.

i58.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-29 09:10:59 AM

anuran: Hitler was a Catholic


Umm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler , it's much more complicated than that.
 
2014-04-29 09:24:01 AM

InterruptingQuirk: Umm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler , it's much more complicated than that.


Just like other dictators, he attempted first to control religion and then replace it with a cult of the personality. It's still a religion, just one centred around a living person.
 
2014-04-29 09:49:32 AM

drxym: Just like other dictators, he attempted first to control religion and then replace it with a cult of the personality. It's still a religion, just one centred around a living person.


Agreed.  The "atheist" leaders that routinely get blamed are nothing of the kind.  They just have their own religions.  Marxism is certainly a religion--a core set of beliefs taken on faith, any attempt to debate them is treated as blasphemy.
 
2014-04-29 09:49:43 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Tearing dpwn churches = persecution/oppression

Having to include contraception in health insurance plans =/= persecution/oppression

Now, STFU whiny American Christians


It starts with including contraception.  It ends with tearing down churches.

Seriously, read the comments here.  This a farking liberal's wet dream for some of you.
 
2014-04-29 10:41:24 AM

impaler: Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?


Unlikely tag:  http://www.zmescience.com/other/great-pics/shorties-china-building-fa l ls-over-like-a-brick/#!GmfTF
 
2014-04-29 11:02:46 AM

SpikesCafe: impaler: Officials rejected those accusations, alleging the church had violated building codes.

In China?

Unlikely tag:  http://www.zmescience.com/other/great-pics/shorties-china-building-fa l ls-over-like-a-brick/#!GmfTF


It's okay to be impressed that building fell over in one piece though, right?
 
2014-04-29 11:08:20 AM

InterruptingQuirk: anuran: Hitler was a Catholic

Umm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler , it's much more complicated than that.


There were many Catholic Nazis, but the Nazis did not like the Catholics. Not only did it have the not-invented-here problem (compared to Lutheranism, for example) and the fact that Xianity as a whole is descended from Judaism, but Catholics had ties to the Papacy, which was politically questionable at least*.

Nazism itself was spawned from the the Theosophist/New Age movement and integrated a lot of northern European native beliefs (which, oddly enough, are an integration of Abrahamic and Slavic myth, both groups being verboten to the Nazi Party). Hence their obsession with the occult - it was a direct outgrowth of the inherent New Agism.

As to Hitler and many upper-tier Nazis, their personal beliefs were ... odd and don't fall into any mainstream category. The closest thing that could be said is that they were flexible agnostics, and even that's inaccurate.

*I don't know if the Nazis knew what Pope Pius XII was doing to help Jews and other victims of the holocaust, but they did know that he was an outspoken critic of Nazis and race-based politics. Most of the evidence that he was active against the holocaust has only come out in the last ten years, after all.
/Footnote, then slashies
 
2014-04-29 11:24:54 AM
I was going to make a joke about "China in a bull shop," but my heart isn't into it.
 
2014-04-29 01:19:22 PM

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


God states that anyone in a position of authority was put there by Him. I assume that includes Mao as well.
 
2014-04-29 01:25:25 PM

Kurmudgeon: Some Coke Drinking Guy: See Christians, that is what persecution looks like.

See Militant Atheists, imagine what the religious right will do and say once you try imposing rules like that here.
You will justify ever bit of fear mongering they ever said, then the fun will begin.


GungFu: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: Now that's what I call persecution!

yup, came here to say something similar.  every time one of the fundies says they're oppressed in the US, I want to biatch slap 'em upside the head with this article.  No, dummy - THIS is what oppression looks like!  now STFU and get on a plane to china!


Persecution my arse.

It's what I call a good start.

Christianity in Asian countries is nothing more than eating and liking McDonald's.


And this is what Atheists, the better, more understanding group, looks like.
 
2014-04-29 01:31:45 PM

Lee451: meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.

God states that anyone in a position of authority was put there by Him. I assume that includes Mao as well.


Romans 13:1-7

1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
 
2014-04-29 02:00:40 PM

meat0918: The Chinese have more to dislike about Christianity than most, considering the wholesale slaughter that occurred there during that Taiping Rebellion, although Mao did cite that rebellion as inspiration.

So in a weird roundabout way, Jesus is responsible for Chinese Communism.


.......or more accurately a guy who claimed to be the younger brother of Jesus.
Most Christians would have had a problem with him.

.
 
2014-04-29 06:02:05 PM

Rurouni: Or you know...Christianity can stop preying on the poor and uneducated around the world...


Who else would even give them the time of day?
 
2014-04-29 09:34:21 PM

anuran: Kevin72: What you are saying about the 1800s is true. But Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, founder of the Republic of China in 1912, and his daughters, were Christian. And that daughter AKA Madame Chiang Kai-Shek had a big influence on the Christianity of the Second leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai Shek. To this day, the Republic of China on Taiwan has incredible freedom of religion, including Taoism Confusianism all types of Buddhism and about 9% Christianity.

Chiang Kai-Shek? You're bringing him and his wife up as Chinese heroes? They were as venal and corrupt as they come.


Did I call him a hero??????? Or did I call him a Christian?????? I am lionizing the current 30 years of the Republic of China on Taiwan vs. what the communists have done.
 
2014-04-30 02:12:14 AM

Loren: drxym: Just like other dictators, he attempted first to control religion and then replace it with a cult of the personality. It's still a religion, just one centred around a living person.

Agreed.  The "atheist" leaders that routinely get blamed are nothing of the kind.  They just have their own religions.  Marxism is certainly a religion--a core set of beliefs taken on faith, any attempt to debate them is treated as blasphemy.


Life stance, maybe.  Religion, no.
 
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