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(Crooks & Liars)   The conservative Heartland Institute bastardizes George Carlin quote for cheap Facebook hits because if there's one think George Carlin loved, it was conservatives   (crooksandliars.com) divider line 228
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2014-04-28 03:40:40 PM  
psh, Carlin was funny but most of what he said were only jokes. But as he got older he kept creeping closer and closer to the thin line that separates humor from cheap sophistry. Only a child or moron listens to a George Carlin routine and thinks it's deep.
 
2014-04-28 04:03:48 PM  

Voiceofreason01: psh, Carlin was funny but most of what he said were only jokes. But as he got older he kept creeping closer and closer to the thin line that separates humor from cheap sophistry. Only a child or moron listens to a George Carlin routine and thinks it's deep.


So, you have a hard time following his monologues, then?
 
2014-04-28 04:06:45 PM  
yeah, no one ever fact checks anything on the internet.
 
2014-04-28 04:07:53 PM  
wow...how pathetic
 
2014-04-28 04:13:26 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Voiceofreason01: ...cheap sophistry....

So, you have a hard time following his monologues, then?


nope
 
2014-04-28 04:15:25 PM  

Voiceofreason01: psh, Carlin was funny but most of what he said were only jokes. But as he got older he kept creeping closer and closer to the thin line that separates humor from cheap sophistry. Only a child or moron listens to a George Carlin routine and thinks it's deep.


The best stand-up comics today cite Carlin as one of their strongest influences so you are full of shiat.  Or simply a typical Conservative who doesn't understand comedy.
 
2014-04-28 04:18:26 PM  

mrshowrules: The best stand-up comics today cite Carlin as one of their strongest influences so you are full of shiat.  Or simply a typical Conservative who doesn't understand comedy.


uh.....what? Check your outrage, reread what I wrote then come then come to the slow realization that not only did I not insult Carlin but he would have agreed with me.
 
2014-04-28 04:18:33 PM  

Voiceofreason01: psh, Carlin was funny but most of what he said were only jokes. But as he got older he kept creeping closer and closer to the thin line that separates humor from cheap sophistry. Only a child or moron listens to a George Carlin routine and thinks it's deep.


It's not that thin a line. For example your post reeks of cheap sophistry but was never in danger of being funny.
 
2014-04-28 04:24:15 PM  

Tigger: It's not that thin a line. For example your post reeks of cheap sophistry but was never in danger of being funny.


FFS, if I walked into Christmas Mass I'd get a better reaction calling The Pope a pig farker than I do here when I imply that Carlin is anything less than the unerring voice of a generation.
 
2014-04-28 04:25:45 PM  

Voiceofreason01: mrshowrules: The best stand-up comics today cite Carlin as one of their strongest influences so you are full of shiat.  Or simply a typical Conservative who doesn't understand comedy.

uh.....what? Check your outrage, reread what I wrote then come then come to the slow realization that not only did I not insult Carlin but he would have agreed with me.


You are entitled to your opinion and are free to categorize Carlin basically spouting cheap sophistry.  That's an opinion. My opinion is that you are either full of shiat for saying that, or just don't understand good comedy.  No offense (well minimal offense anyways).

Challenge: find me any list of the best stand up comics of all time that doesn't have Carlin near the top
 
2014-04-28 04:26:28 PM  
So, why cant they use that? How are they trying to twist it?
 
2014-04-28 04:29:02 PM  

vernonFL: So, why cant they use that? How are they trying to twist it?


The original quote was about corporate interests that want to keep people stupid because they are easy to control.

It was changed to make it about government wanting to keep people stupid because they are easy to control.
 
2014-04-28 04:29:54 PM  

vernonFL: So, why cant they use that? How are they trying to twist it?


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2014-04-28 04:33:08 PM  
So this thread is now about the merits of George Carlin?  He was pretty damned funny.  I'll admit his legacy is probably a BIT overrated, but all things considered I'd say the world was better for him having been in it.
 
2014-04-28 04:33:25 PM  

mrshowrules: find me any list of the best stand up comics of all time that doesn't have Carlin near the top


The first thing I said was that he was funny. What I find disturbing is the way that some people treat his monologues as if they were inscribed by a deity and handed down on clay tablets. Carlin would have agreed.
 
2014-04-28 04:34:32 PM  

vernonFL: So, why cant they use that? How are they trying to twist it?


They took an anti-Corporate rant (which specifically stated that government was owned by corporations) changed it to anti-Government rant?
 
2014-04-28 04:38:48 PM  

mrshowrules: My opinion is that you are either full of shiat for saying that, or just don't understand good comedy.


He just finds that Carlin insists upon himself, to steal a joke from a much less talented comedian.

Also, when will "Breitbarting" enter the English lexicon? Nobody really uses the word "decontextualizing" anymore (apparently spell check doesn't even know it), and even then it doesn't have the same connotation for willful manipulation that Breitbarting does.
 
2014-04-28 04:42:58 PM  
Thanks, I should pay more attention.
 
2014-04-28 04:47:59 PM  
I believe a lot of folks only listened to him when he was popular. Towards the end he turned into a very bitter human being who was not that funny.
 
2014-04-28 04:55:57 PM  

bojon: I believe a lot of folks only listened to him when he was popular. Towards the end he turned into a very bitter human being who was not that funny.


I liked his material from his HBO special heyday the best, before he got too serious and bitter (still liked that material though).

I saw him stoned out of my mind once at the Westbury Music Fair on Long Island and it was one of the few times in my life I thought I was literally going to die from laughing.

/CSB
 
2014-04-28 04:56:11 PM  

bojon: I believe a lot of folks only listened to him when he was popular


That's so much a belief as it is a definition of the word "popular".
 
2014-04-28 04:59:31 PM  
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2014-04-28 05:00:30 PM  
I wouldn't expect Carlin to be very popular on Fark. He would tear this place to shreds.
 
2014-04-28 05:01:33 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: bojon: I believe a lot of folks only listened to him when he was popular

That's so much a belief as it is a definition of the word "popular".


but it's pretty relevent. You can still find a lot of the stuff that he was doing in the 70's 80's and 90's when he had some televised specials and was in a few movies and he was great. But toward the end I think the drugs were catching up with him and while he was always bitter and angry he turned mean.
 
2014-04-28 05:08:13 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Voiceofreason01: psh, Carlin was funny but most of what he said were only jokes. But as he got older he kept creeping closer and closer to the thin line that separates humor from cheap sophistry. Only a child or moron listens to a George Carlin routine and thinks it's deep.

So, you have a hard time following his monologues, then?


The best humor observes truths, and illustrates them in such a way that we can relate how we often fail. It's instructional. Carlin was skeptical of the ability of the government to do much. Because it was held to tiny interests who pretty much paid for their influence. He was also skeptical of the ability of most people to even consider thinking before acting. He was a bitter, bitter, bitter man, because he saw things that just weren't changing all that much, save that folks were lining up to get screwed, good and hard, and to thank the folks who were pumping them for the privilege.

So, yeah, I can see how some folks don't like thinking overly much not being into Carlin much, because they're some of the very folks he brought that eye upon.
 
2014-04-28 05:09:07 PM  

Voiceofreason01: tallguywithglasseson: bojon: I believe a lot of folks only listened to him when he was popular

That's so much a belief as it is a definition of the word "popular".

but it's pretty relevent. You can still find a lot of the stuff that he was doing in the 70's 80's and 90's when he had some televised specials and was in a few movies and he was great. But toward the end I think the drugs were catching up with him and while he was always bitter and angry he turned mean.


He probably got mean because he realized that people didn't get that he was using his art-form to send a message. It's quite maddening when you see something so clearly and everybody else is blind to simple to understand facts.
 
2014-04-28 05:17:28 PM  

Voiceofreason01: But toward the end I think the drugs were catching up with him and while he was always bitter and angry he turned mean.


Here's the last bit he did, on his last HBO special, just months before he died.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMpD4XVYXQg

I don't see much difference between that and his work in the 90's.
 
2014-04-28 05:19:58 PM  
Carlin's too mainstream. If they wanted to be hip they should have mangled a quote by Bill Hicks instead.
 
2014-04-28 05:21:34 PM  
Some people are really farking stupid.
 
2014-04-28 05:23:06 PM  
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2014-04-28 05:23:38 PM  
I've seen a few "Fw FW FW FW fs" attributed to Carlin that Carlin would have gagged on.
 
2014-04-28 05:28:10 PM  
Imagine that. Conservatives reveal themselves to be bald-faced, shameless liars once again.
 
2014-04-28 05:28:40 PM  

nekom: So this thread is now about the merits of George Carlin?  He was pretty damned funny.  I'll admit his legacy is probably a BIT overrated, but all things considered I'd say the world was better for him having been in it.


Glad you could so magnanimously bestow that honor on old George.

What the fark have you done?
 
2014-04-28 05:28:48 PM  
I used to hate Hillary Clinton.

I still do, but I used to, too.
 
2014-04-28 05:30:49 PM  

RexTalionis: The original quote was about corporate interests that want to keep people stupid because they are easy to control.

It was changed to make it about government wanting to keep people stupid because they are easy to control.


It took me a bit to connect those dots, I think mostly because I don't habitually distinguish between corporate interests and the government.

The "change in context" here seems like a bunch of nothing.
 
2014-04-28 05:32:26 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Imagine that. Conservatives reveal themselves to be bald-faced, shameless liars once again.


Strong username to post content ratio
 
2014-04-28 05:35:00 PM  

tripleseven: nekom: So this thread is now about the merits of George Carlin?  He was pretty damned funny.  I'll admit his legacy is probably a BIT overrated, but all things considered I'd say the world was better for him having been in it.

Glad you could so magnanimously bestow that honor on old George.

What the fark have you done?


I'm pretty funny.  Everybody funny.  Now you funny too.
 
2014-04-28 05:35:59 PM  

markfara: RexTalionis: The original quote was about corporate interests that want to keep people stupid because they are easy to control.

It was changed to make it about government wanting to keep people stupid because they are easy to control.

It took me a bit to connect those dots, I think mostly because I don't habitually distinguish between corporate interests and the government.

The "change in context" here seems like a bunch of nothing.


Actually, it wasn't just the change in context. They actually changed the wording of the quote.
 
2014-04-28 05:36:58 PM  

machoprogrammer: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Imagine that. Conservatives reveal themselves to be bald-faced, shameless liars once again.

Strong username to post content ratio


See, that's the difference. If you walked up to me on the street and said, "Oh divine lizard master, whose scaly claw shall stand astride the bodies of his enemies in triumph, do you attack conservatives because you think they're spineless, simpering, whinebags who mistake poutrage for an actual emotion, or do you attack conservatives because you have a principled, intellectual rejection of everything they stand for?"

And I, being quite the honest space monster, would reply, "yes."
 
2014-04-28 05:37:26 PM  

Voiceofreason01: mrshowrules: find me any list of the best stand up comics of all time that doesn't have Carlin near the top

The first thing I said was that he was funny. What I find disturbing is the way that some people treat his monologues as if they were inscribed by a deity and handed down on clay tablets. Carlin would have agreed.


Carlin would have told you to blow it out your ass
See, I can make up an opinion for a dead guy too! This is fun!

Then Carlin would ride the grocery cart up and down the isles for hours
and nobody could stop him
nobody
 
2014-04-28 05:37:46 PM  

RexTalionis: Actually, it wasn't just the change in context. They actually changed the wording of the quote.


That's because they weren't quoting George Carlin, they were quoting RAND PAUL.
 
2014-04-28 05:38:32 PM  

markfara: RexTalionis: The original quote was about corporate interests that want to keep people stupid because they are easy to control.

It was changed to make it about government wanting to keep people stupid because they are easy to control.

It took me a bit to connect those dots, I think mostly because I don't habitually distinguish between corporate interests and the government.

The "change in context" here seems like a bunch of nothing.


The whole focus of the quote is the intentional nature of the erosion of workers' rights and benefits by corporate interests, something that cuts directly opposite the Heartland Institute's stated pro-corporate "free market" goals.

That doesn't strike you as hypocritical?
 
2014-04-28 05:38:37 PM  
I thought Rand Paul said it first
 
2014-04-28 05:40:03 PM  
Does Rand Paul do side work for the Heartland Institute?
 
2014-04-28 05:42:33 PM  

tinyarena: Voiceofreason01: mrshowrules: find me any list of the best stand up comics of all time that doesn't have Carlin near the top

The first thing I said was that he was funny. What I find disturbing is the way that some people treat his monologues as if they were inscribed by a deity and handed down on clay tablets. Carlin would have agreed.

Carlin would have told you to blow it out your ass
See, I can make up an opinion for a dead guy too! This is fun!

Then Carlin would ride the grocery cart up and down the isles for hours
and nobody could stop him
nobody


I love that I'm getting piled on by people who: don't know what the Heartland Institute is and only know Carlin from 7-words youtube clips, his HBO special and Dogma.
 
2014-04-28 05:43:22 PM  

WalkingCarpet: I saw him stoned out of my mind once at the Westbury Music Fair on Long Island and it was one of the few times in my life I thought I was literally going to die from laughing.


He was stoned out of your mind???
assets.diylol.com
 
2014-04-28 05:45:32 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-28 05:46:09 PM  

Sgt Otter: vernonFL: So, why cant they use that? How are they trying to twist it?

They took an anti-Corporate rant (which specifically stated that government was owned by corporations) changed it to anti-Government rant?


Conservatives tend to see corporate take-overs of government as a problem with government, not with corporations.  And is something that cannot be fixed, so abolish government.
 
2014-04-28 05:47:00 PM  

Voiceofreason01: tinyarena: Voiceofreason01: mrshowrules: find me any list of the best stand up comics of all time that doesn't have Carlin near the top

The first thing I said was that he was funny. What I find disturbing is the way that some people treat his monologues as if they were inscribed by a deity and handed down on clay tablets. Carlin would have agreed.

Carlin would have told you to blow it out your ass
See, I can make up an opinion for a dead guy too! This is fun!

Then Carlin would ride the grocery cart up and down the isles for hours
and nobody could stop him
nobody

I love that I'm getting piled on by people who: don't know what the Heartland Institute is and only know Carlin from 7-words youtube clips, his HBO special and Dogma.


My God, you can not only divine what Dead George Carlin thinks!
You can see my entire past!

Are you a Wizard?!
 
2014-04-28 05:50:09 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I love that I'm getting piled on by people who: don't know what the Heartland Institute is and only know Carlin from 7-words youtube clips, his HBO special and Dogma.


He had more than a dozen HBO specials, which are kind of a big deal in the realm of stand-up comedy careers.

What's the correct criteria? Some interview or another?
 
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