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(Daily Tech)   Google's dream of autonomous cars is foiled by one thing: that lump between the steering wheel and the driver's seat. And bicyclists. OK, two things. And pedestrians. Wait, I'll come in again   (dailytech.com) divider line 82
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-28 04:12:36 PM
Design the car to take every bit of right of way the law says it can expect. The surviving bicyclists and pedestrians will learn. Google can afford a few thousand wrongful death lawsuits.
 
2014-04-28 04:15:38 PM

ZAZ: Design the car to take every bit of right of way the law says it can expect. The surviving bicyclists and pedestrians will learn. Google can afford a few thousand wrongful death lawsuits.


That's pretty much it. People will adapt and learn not to test the machine, same as we have with working with machines for the last couple hundred years.
 
2014-04-28 04:21:17 PM
I heard they outsourced the coding to China.  That means the autos will go 30mph on the freeway with the blinker on constantly.
 
2014-04-28 04:21:34 PM

naughtyrev: People will adapt and learn not to test the machine


Exactly.  That's why no one ever texts and drives any more.  They have all adapted.
 
2014-04-28 04:24:49 PM

UberDave: I heard they outsourced the coding to China.  That means the autos will go 30mph on the freeway with the blinker on constantly.


I don't know where you're from, and I know you are simply making a joke, but I've seen my fair share of Chinese driving. They go fast, they don't bother with their blinkers. If their car will fit between your car and the guard rail they'll go that way.
 
2014-04-28 04:27:09 PM

Marcus Aurelius: naughtyrev: People will adapt and learn not to test the machine

Exactly.  That's why no one ever texts and drives any more.  They have all adapted.


Feel free to keep texting and driving.
 
2014-04-28 04:31:05 PM

jaylectricity: UberDave: I heard they outsourced the coding to China.  That means the autos will go 30mph on the freeway with the blinker on constantly.

I don't know where you're from, and I know you are simply making a joke, but I've seen my fair share of Chinese driving. They go fast, they don't bother with their blinkers. If their car will fit between your car and the guard rail they'll go that way.



That's pretty much how I would want my robot car to drive.

"3mm of clearance... go for it."
 
2014-04-28 04:34:32 PM
"More complications stem from the fact that bicyclists and motorcyclists might be using hand gestures to signal turns."

Yeah that's totally happening. Bicyclists are signalling turns all over the place.

Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist
 
2014-04-28 04:35:50 PM

jaylectricity: UberDave: I heard they outsourced the coding to China.  That means the autos will go 30mph on the freeway with the blinker on constantly.

I don't know where you're from, and I know you are simply making a joke, but I've seen my fair share of Chinese driving. They go fast, they don't bother with their blinkers. If their car will fit between your car and the guard rail they'll go that way.



One of my good friends is Cantonese and she drives a farking maniac.
 
2014-04-28 05:21:21 PM
What do you get when a massive highway infrastructure pops up practically overnight to service a population of drivers who haven't been drilled since birth to take for granted that you're supposed to follow traffic laws?

/You think drivers around you are bad because sometimes people don't signal when they change lanes? Imagine driving on a congested highway where the only person who has apparently heard of a "lane" is you.
 
2014-04-28 05:27:27 PM
I was expecting the Spanish Inquisition in here

/Guess that's why they're not here
 
2014-04-28 05:28:26 PM

naughtyrev: ZAZ: Design the car to take every bit of right of way the law says it can expect. The surviving bicyclists and pedestrians will learn. Google can afford a few thousand wrongful death lawsuits.

That's pretty much it. People will adapt and learn not to test the machine, same as we have with working with machines for the last couple hundred years.


Do not taunt autonomous car.
 
2014-04-28 05:35:05 PM

unlikely: "More complications stem from the fact that bicyclists and motorcyclists might be using hand gestures to signal turns."

Yeah that's totally happening. Bicyclists are signalling turns all over the place.

Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist


Around here bicyclists are very good at signalling their intentions. They know that if they don't I will kill them. It's taken the deaths of thousands but slowly the message is getting through to them.
 
2014-04-28 05:41:09 PM
That news article that came out a few months ago re. drones and the possibility of Amazon using them to deliver their stuff was bullcrap...THIS is the future (if at all) of automated deliveries in the future for online orders...unmanned street vehicles going into local depots, loaded/scanned with a customer's order, and sent out on the road 24/7 to deliver.

Whoever works for Amazon and any other big online retailer ought to be paying close attention to these stories and start thinking about the future. This includes my company but I'm not sure if they have the vision for it.
 
2014-04-28 06:02:07 PM
Honestly I think I'd prefer to ride my bike beside a robot car due to the fact it will never be too tired to pay attention or decide that it doesn't like the way my ass looks in jeans, or realize it's having uncomfortable thoughts about my muscular legs and attempt to car me to death. Quite frankly I'd take the robot car even if its front was covered in jagged rusty blades because it won't decide that I don't deserve to share the road. Most drivers don't do those awful things, thankfully. But there are some that do -- just as there are idiot cyclists who deflect all over the road, go the wrong way, don't signal, etc who don't represent the majority.
 
2014-04-28 06:03:16 PM
The most likely failures early on will come from users freaking out over the car making a decision that they wouldn't have made, hitting the manual override, and farking shiat up while they try to "fix" a "problem" that didn't exist.
 
2014-04-28 06:05:03 PM

Marcus Aurelius: naughtyrev: People will adapt and learn not to test the machine

Exactly.  That's why no one ever texts and drives any more.  They have all adapted.


Darwin doesn't work his magic overnight, you know.
 
2014-04-28 06:05:39 PM

UberDave: jaylectricity: UberDave: I heard they outsourced the coding to China.  That means the autos will go 30mph on the freeway with the blinker on constantly.

I don't know where you're from, and I know you are simply making a joke, but I've seen my fair share of Chinese driving. They go fast, they don't bother with their blinkers. If their car will fit between your car and the guard rail they'll go that way.


One of my good friends is Cantonese and she drives a farking maniac.


Woman Drivers: No Survivors
 
2014-04-28 06:05:44 PM

unlikely: Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist


I actually use hand signals.  The problem is most drivers are clueless to what hand signals actually mean.

/drivers should be retested every five years
 
2014-04-28 06:15:21 PM
Since when are bicyclists and pedestrians on the freeway?

Worst case we end up w/ the 6th Day style autonomous cars
 
2014-04-28 06:19:39 PM

gingerjet: unlikely: Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist

I actually use hand signals.  The problem is most drivers are clueless to what hand signals actually mean.

/drivers should be retested every five years


Yes this. The drivers tests should be more reasonable too. Had to re-take it at 26 after I moved to Texas, and it was all easy questions combined with antig-alcohol propaganda. "What is the legal punishment for underage drinking?" Was actually one of the questions on the drivers test.
 
2014-04-28 06:19:52 PM
gingerjet:

/drivers should be retested every five years

THIS.
 
2014-04-28 06:20:24 PM

ZAZ: Design the car to take every bit of right of way the law says it can expect. The surviving bicyclists and pedestrians will learn. Google can afford a few thousand wrongful death lawsuits.


If the car hits something, it clearly didn't have the right-of-way.
 
2014-04-28 06:23:27 PM

gingerjet: unlikely: Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist

I actually use hand signals.  The problem is most drivers are clueless to what hand signals actually mean.

/drivers should be retested every five years


I see bicyclists occasionally use them.  In my entire life I'm not sure I've ever seen a motorcyclist use them.

So, it's actually easy to forget if you never use or see them even though they are very simple.

dammit, I tried to post an image toremind everyone but the image didn't work.

Some cyclist can do so.  In the meantime if you see a cyclist making hand signals, he's about to do something.
 
2014-04-28 06:23:28 PM

ZAZ: Design the car to take every bit of right of way the law says it can expect. The surviving bicyclists and pedestrians will learn. Google can afford a few thousand wrongful death lawsuits.


Done in one.

And a healthier gene pool to boot.
 
2014-04-28 06:25:16 PM

Marcus Aurelius: naughtyrev: People will adapt and learn not to test the machine

Exactly.  That's why no one ever texts and drives any more.  They have all adapted.


CSB

Walking to work a few days ago, I saw a car leaving the driveway at almost-idle speed with both the passenger and the driver looking down at cell phones. No hands on the wheel, car drifting to the right, about 2 inches from sliding along the back bumpers of the parked cars (and into me unless I ducked between cars).  I shouted "Oi, watch where you're driving!". The passenger shrieked, the driver yanked the wheel to the left, and they almost hit a car pulling into the driveway. Then the driver started screaming at me because I "scared" him.

/I was mildly tempted to just let the car "hit" me
//It could have been entertaining and profitable

/CSB
 
2014-04-28 06:27:29 PM

Jgok: Marcus Aurelius: naughtyrev: People will adapt and learn not to test the machine

Exactly.  That's why no one ever texts and drives any more.  They have all adapted.

CSB

Walking to work a few days ago, I saw a car leaving the driveway at almost-idle speed with both the passenger and the driver looking down at cell phones. No hands on the wheel, car drifting to the right, about 2 inches from sliding along the back bumpers of the parked cars (and into me unless I ducked between cars).  I shouted "Oi, watch where you're driving!". The passenger shrieked, the driver yanked the wheel to the left, and they almost hit a car pulling into the driveway. Then the driver started screaming at me because I "scared" him.

/I was mildly tempted to just let the car "hit" me
//It could have been entertaining and profitable

/CSB


And a good CSB too!

A well timed "Oi!" can really cut through bullshiat.
 
2014-04-28 06:28:33 PM

serial_crusher: gingerjet: unlikely: Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist

I actually use hand signals.  The problem is most drivers are clueless to what hand signals actually mean.

/drivers should be retested every five years

Yes this. The drivers tests should be more reasonable too. Had to re-take it at 26 after I moved to Texas, and it was all easy questions combined with antig-alcohol propaganda. "What is the legal punishment for underage drinking?" Was actually one of the questions on the drivers test.


And every state I've moved to has just accepted the fact that I had a driver's license in another state already as proof of my competence to drive. I've lived in several states and haven't taken anything more than an eye test to get or renew a license in decades.

Enjoy your bike riding!
 
2014-04-28 06:29:03 PM

gingerjet: unlikely: Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist

I actually use hand signals.  The problem is most drivers are clueless to what hand signals actually mean.

/drivers should be retested every five years


Yup. I generally just point.
 
2014-04-28 06:35:27 PM
I'm excited for the day when driverless cars become mandatory; I hope I live to see it. Traffic should improve immensely.
 
2014-04-28 06:37:24 PM

wingnut396: gingerjet: unlikely: Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist

I actually use hand signals.  The problem is most drivers are clueless to what hand signals actually mean.

/drivers should be retested every five years

Yup. I generally just point.


I thought everybody had to know how to signal with their hand in case their turn signals/brake lights are out.
 
2014-04-28 06:39:03 PM
naughtyrev:
People will adapt and learn not to test the machine

On the other hand, the hackers will learn all sorts of new ways to test the machine.

"I wonder if it'll jam on the brakes if I drop an empty paper bag on the highway in front of it?"

"I wonder how it would react to a laser pointer hitting one of the cameras?"

"I wonder if I can override the radar system?"
 
2014-04-28 06:39:48 PM
I just want the cars to force people doing under the speed limit to stay out of the right lane. That'd get 80% of the traffic efficiency gains by itself.
 
2014-04-28 06:40:26 PM
Left lane.

'Doh
 
2014-04-28 06:41:20 PM

gingerjet: unlikely: Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist

I actually use hand signals.  The problem is most drivers are clueless to what hand signals actually mean.



Well, duh.
wolverinewrestling.com

Who can remember all of that?
 
2014-04-28 06:41:42 PM

gfid: serial_crusher: gingerjet: unlikely: Hint: the only time you ever see a bicyclist signal anything with their hands, it's the extended middle finger of "yeah I just jammed out in front of your car without warning and almost caused an accident but I'm still superior so f you and your cute little horn."

/bicyclist

I actually use hand signals.  The problem is most drivers are clueless to what hand signals actually mean.

/drivers should be retested every five years

Yes this. The drivers tests should be more reasonable too. Had to re-take it at 26 after I moved to Texas, and it was all easy questions combined with antig-alcohol propaganda. "What is the legal punishment for underage drinking?" Was actually one of the questions on the drivers test.

And every state I've moved to has just accepted the fact that I had a driver's license in another state already as proof of my competence to drive. I've lived in several states and haven't taken anything more than an eye test to get or renew a license in decades.

Enjoy your bike riding!


Yeah, I should mention that it was just because I'd let my Virginia license expire.
I don't know why they think that filling out an online form and paying $15 or whatever is sufficient proof that somebody still remembers how to drive safely, but meh, bureaucracy, what are you going to do?
 
2014-04-28 06:46:15 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-28 06:57:20 PM

seanpg71: ZAZ: Design the car to take every bit of right of way the law says it can expect. The surviving bicyclists and pedestrians will learn. Google can afford a few thousand wrongful death lawsuits.

If the car hits something, it clearly didn't have the right-of-way.


Er... that's not how right-of-way works.  You can hit something and still have right-of-way, especially if the something you hit moved when it did not have right-of-way.
 
2014-04-28 07:03:40 PM

cirby: naughtyrev:
People will adapt and learn not to test the machine

On the other hand, the hackers will learn all sorts of new ways to test the machine.

"I wonder if it'll jam on the brakes if I drop an empty paper bag on the highway in front of it?"

"I wonder how it would react to a laser pointer hitting one of the cameras?"

"I wonder if I can override the radar system?"


"Hey look, rich guy behind an autodriving car.  If people circle it, it can't escape and we get stuff from this rich guy!"

Same thing applies to autodelivery vehicles and hot women.
 
2014-04-28 07:04:13 PM

UberDave: jaylectricity: UberDave: I heard they outsourced the coding to China.  That means the autos will go 30mph on the freeway with the blinker on constantly.

I don't know where you're from, and I know you are simply making a joke, but I've seen my fair share of Chinese driving. They go fast, they don't bother with their blinkers. If their car will fit between your car and the guard rail they'll go that way.


One of my good friends is Cantonese and she drives a farking maniac.


What kind of mileage does it get?
 
2014-04-28 07:05:05 PM

naughtyrev: Marcus Aurelius: naughtyrev: People will adapt and learn not to test the machine

Exactly.  That's why no one ever texts and drives any more.  They have all adapted.

Feel free to keep texting and driving.


When I drive, I assume everyone is actively trying to kill me.  And it's not far from the truth.
 
2014-04-28 07:07:32 PM

seanpg71: If the car hits something, it clearly didn't have the right-of-way.


No, that's not the least bit true.  I turned left in an intersection where the oncoming car had a YIELD sign and they failed to yield, they t-boned me right into the passenger side, and then had the nerve to complain to police how I was at fault.
 
2014-04-28 07:20:58 PM

Jormungandr: Quite frankly I'd take the robot car even if its front was covered in jagged rusty blades because it won't decide that I don't deserve to share the road.


Yeah. The biggest dangers to cyclists not acting like idiots are 1) people that don't look before opening their doors after parallel parking and 2) people who attempt to pass you unsafely.

A robot car will presumably have sensors to warn people about 1 before they open their doors, and a properly designed driving program isn't going to try to pass you unsafely - it will just slow down and match your speed without driving aggressively until it can pass safely.

I'm all for it.
 
2014-04-28 07:22:51 PM
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Eventually it will see everything.

/(and target Sarah Connor)
 
2014-04-28 07:40:28 PM

mrmopar5287: seanpg71: If the car hits something, it clearly didn't have the right-of-way.

No, that's not the least bit true.  I turned left in an intersection where the oncoming car had a YIELD sign and they failed to yield, they t-boned me right into the passenger side, and then had the nerve to complain to police how I was at fault.


It's entirely possible that neither car has the right of way, and who is at fault for insurance purposes would be determined by deciding which of you was supposed to yield the right-of-way when and didn't and whether you would have been reasonably expected to be able to stop.

If someone jumps in front of your car a half second before you get there, you no longer have the right-of-way.  They should have stood on the side of the road and yielded it to you as you passed, but they chose not to, and thus you don't have it.  You can't just barrel through them.  Now, due to circumstances, running them over might be all you're able to do, and you wouldn't be found at fault, but you don't have the *right* to do it just cause they're not supposed to be there.
 
2014-04-28 07:45:07 PM

seanpg71: mrmopar5287: seanpg71: If the car hits something, it clearly didn't have the right-of-way.

No, that's not the least bit true.  I turned left in an intersection where the oncoming car had a YIELD sign and they failed to yield, they t-boned me right into the passenger side, and then had the nerve to complain to police how I was at fault.

It's entirely possible that neither car has the right of way, and who is at fault for insurance purposes would be determined by deciding which of you was supposed to yield the right-of-way when and didn't and whether you would have been reasonably expected to be able to stop.

If someone jumps in front of your car a half second before you get there, you no longer have the right-of-way.  They should have stood on the side of the road and yielded it to you as you passed, but they chose not to, and thus you don't have it.  You can't just barrel through them.  Now, due to circumstances, running them over might be all you're able to do, and you wouldn't be found at fault, but you don't have the *right* to do it just cause they're not supposed to be there.


You seem to be replacing the legal definition of "right-of-way" with some alternate and supremely idiotic and wholly non-existent definition for something that would probably be termed "Right-to-run-over".
 
2014-04-28 07:49:09 PM

gopher321: That news article that came out a few months ago re. drones and the possibility of Amazon using them to deliver their stuff was bullcrap...THIS is the future (if at all) of automated deliveries in the future for online orders...unmanned street vehicles going into local depots, loaded/scanned with a customer's order, and sent out on the road 24/7 to deliver.

Whoever works for Amazon and any other big online retailer ought to be paying close attention to these stories and start thinking about the future. This includes my company but I'm not sure if they have the vision for it.


Yep. Everybody ought to be on notice. Virtually all of our people and freight move over the roadways, and this is going to revolutionize all of that.

How much do you pay a truck driver? Even if your self-driving feature was a $200,000 add-on for a commercial truck, you'd break even in four or five years. For a while you'll still have to hire human drivers for loads with special considerations (hazmat, passenger transport, rough terrain) but eventually we'll stop having "drivers" all together and start having "operators".

Europe has tighter regulations on driver hours too- to the point where some companies pay two drivers per truck. They're going to be all over this.
 
2014-04-28 07:51:23 PM
Indistinguishable from magic.
 
2014-04-28 07:52:12 PM
If you can give me something that'll do my highway driving I'd be good for now.
 
2014-04-28 07:55:58 PM

seanpg71: mrmopar5287: seanpg71: If the car hits something, it clearly didn't have the right-of-way.

No, that's not the least bit true.  I turned left in an intersection where the oncoming car had a YIELD sign and they failed to yield, they t-boned me right into the passenger side, and then had the nerve to complain to police how I was at fault.

It's entirely possible that neither car has the right of way, and who is at fault for insurance purposes would be determined by deciding which of you was supposed to yield the right-of-way when and didn't and whether you would have been reasonably expected to be able to stop.

If someone jumps in front of your car a half second before you get there, you no longer have the right-of-way.  They should have stood on the side of the road and yielded it to you as you passed, but they chose not to, and thus you don't have it.  You can't just barrel through them.  Now, due to circumstances, running them over might be all you're able to do, and you wouldn't be found at fault, but you don't have the *right* to do it just cause they're not supposed to be there.



My scenario: police laughed at the other driver as she gave him a citation for disobeying a traffic control device

Other scenario: YES you still have the right of way if someone is jaywalking.  The right of way is what keeps you from going to jail when you hit people who aren't obeying laws that apply to other drivers, bicyclists, or pedestrians.
 
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