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2014-04-28 05:33:30 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-28 05:36:00 PM  
I can respect it. I work in both a windows and iseries environment - and while windows makes me cringe every time I use it, the iseries is predictable, reliable, and simpler. I'd take it over windows any day.

/and I'm not even old enough yet to yell at kids on my lawn
 
2014-04-28 05:42:38 PM  

weltallica: PluckYew:

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Those props seem familiar...

[i.imgur.com image 576x432]


It is paramount that I discover what this machine does!
 
2014-04-28 05:42:39 PM  

skinbubble: special20: [i.imgur.com image 263x63]

My favorite Commodore 64/128 game:

[www.orphanedgames.com image 320x200]


I never played that one - so I now feel a little emptier.
Here is my favorite:
www.gamebox64.com
 
2014-04-28 05:48:09 PM  
It doesn't matter if these systems work.  So long as they fail to "don't launch" everything is good.

They're never going to be used, they don't have to work.
 
2014-04-28 05:48:24 PM  
8"? Yes.

Floppy? No.

Wait, what were we talking about?
 
2014-04-28 05:49:10 PM  
The good news is that today's viruses are to large to fit on that floppy.

(not to mention that the OS would not be to antiquated to run them)
 
2014-04-28 06:07:12 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Gary-L: Destructor:  What's their backup? Cassette tape?

Magnetic tape is a more reliable and stable backup medium than CD.  Imagine trying to adapt those mainframe launch systems to backup to a RAID setup.

It's called a 'Controller Emulator'.  One of our Navy mainframes had a series of the old 9-track open reel tape drives - and read/write Magneto-Optical drive.  The controller for the M-O emulated a tape controller, so the system 'thought' the M-O drive was just one more tape drive, and was happy as a clam with it.


Cut my teeth operating the Honeywell DPS-6000 connected to an old Miltope unit.  Never heard much about Magneto-Optical drives since the early 00s. 

Linux_Yes: KatjaMouse: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.

Came here to say this. I used to date a military contractor who had to relearn DOS because the military puts some of its most sensitive information on it so it can be hack proof.


assembly is where its at these days....lol


Don't laugh.  Assembly is for bad ass programmers (IMHO); however, it used to be they were relegated to a basement writing device drivers.  I always wanted to learn Assembly, and anyone who heard me say that thought I was insane.
 
2014-04-28 06:13:07 PM  

Ivo Shandor: kendelrio: Heh. I work with multimillion dollar ROVs. Our OS is still DOS.
/the last thing you need at 10,000 feet deep is the blue screen of death.

Abort/Retry/Fail isn't much better...


True, but its easy to reboot off of a:/ and at least recover before bad juju happens.
 
2014-04-28 06:18:49 PM  
Their new system upgrade ...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-28 06:24:01 PM  

Stratohead: FTFA " launch silo"

...it would kill the Missileers once the missile launched.


Here's an interesting thought. You are given the authority and the means to launch a nuclear strike. However you also know that the act of launching will immediately result in your own death.
 
2014-04-28 06:25:36 PM  
Yeah, because upgrading and networking everything makes us so much more secure.

Except Assange, Snowden, heartbleed, stuxnet, etc... etc... etc...

Security is one reason to maintain old tech. The other is that these aren't exactly Dell computers you can buy on Amazon. These are EMP hardened purpose built MilSpec machines that are insanely expensive to maintain let alone replace with updated models.
 
2014-04-28 06:30:48 PM  
I'll bet all your lawns are immaculate.
 
2014-04-28 06:46:14 PM  
Where's my hole punch to make them double density?
 
2014-04-28 06:47:08 PM  

Linux_Yes: What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux.


WRONG.  But, oh how I wish you were right....
 
2014-04-28 06:52:41 PM  
It works. Every time.
Absolutely nothing out today can say that. Most of todays tech can't run even a week without issues.
New doesn't mean better. Only an ignorant child would think so.
That's why major companies still use these disks, and these systems.

You use Windows, you're a part-timer. You run a flavor of Unix? Amateur.

/ Come on my lawn if you want.
// but I promise, you will not make it.
 
2014-04-28 06:56:13 PM  

JackieRabbit: What works works. Would we rather have the USAF spend billions of dollars modernizing a launch control system that works exactly as designed when there is no compelling reason to? The floppies are used because they are cheap, easily destroyed and hard to conceal. They probably contain data required to complete a launch sequence and the data change every few hours. When I was in SAC in the 1970s, we had access codes and pass phrases that changed every four hours. These were delivered word-of-mouth and you had to know the previous values in order to use the new ones.

CBS got a peek and nothing more. They weren't shown how the system really works. Actually, only the final steps in a missile launch happen at the silo. The officers manning them could never launch without critical systems being enabled from elsewhere.


Wasn't there just a story about how, until the 70's, the "secure nukes" thing was a big lie and just about anyone could launch a missile without authorization? I wonder if this was the upgrade or just a bandaid...
 
2014-04-28 07:09:41 PM  

dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.


Yup. Added in DOS 2.0.
http://www.os2museum.com/wp/?page_id=630
 
2014-04-28 07:22:28 PM  

Tony_Pepperoni: Their new system upgrade ...

[i.imgur.com image 800x564]


The only problem with that upgrade is when you accidentally switch your launch code cassette with that totally rad mix tape that Stevens over in bio-warfare gave you the other day.
img.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-28 07:32:20 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.

[i1214.photobucket.com image 250x333]

Approves.


Good! You got it in early.
 
2014-04-28 07:35:46 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Yeah, because upgrading and networking everything makes us so much more secure.

Except Assange, Snowden, heartbleed, stuxnet, etc... etc... etc...


Bradley Manning stole everything via a CD-RW and sneakernet, Snowden used flash drives, and stuxnet spreads via sneaker net and infected flash drives. The big thing that all three of these had in common was that even though the network itself was secure, the network security could be circumvented via physical access. In the case of Snowden, it was a case of the admins on the network having too much power and too little oversight. Again, the weakest link in computer security being the people.
 
2014-04-28 07:40:49 PM  

WelldeadLink: dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.

Yup. Added in DOS 2.0.
http://www.os2museum.com/wp/?page_id=630


Apple ProDos had it in 1.0 I think
 
2014-04-28 07:41:24 PM  
Not sure when CPM got it
 
2014-04-28 07:48:27 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


That would have been my first-guess reason that it's never been changed.
 
2014-04-28 07:56:46 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-28 08:00:37 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!


I threw one away last week.
 
2014-04-28 08:20:01 PM  

flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com


To split an even finer hair, the /users/ directory (name) was introduced in vista (2007)

/also, why would it be on the A:\ drive? :)
 
2014-04-28 08:51:02 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


Yeah, but if I jingle a small magnet enough times while I walk past its storage cabinet, no missile, no fry.
 
2014-04-28 08:53:00 PM  
I wonder if they still rent their phones from AT&T.
 
2014-04-28 09:10:12 PM  

JudgeMuttonChops: flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com

To split an even finer hair, the /users/ directory (name) was introduced in vista (2007)

/also, why would it be on the A:\ drive? :)


different users directory there bucko
 
2014-04-28 09:21:08 PM  
And you thought your office was cheap because they were still using Windows XP.
 
2014-04-28 09:23:51 PM  
How quickly we forget...

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-28 09:25:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Mr. Breeze: Yeah, because upgrading and networking everything makes us so much more secure.

Except Assange, Snowden, heartbleed, stuxnet, etc... etc... etc...

Bradley Manning stole everything via a CD-RW and sneakernet, Snowden used flash drives, and stuxnet spreads via sneaker net and infected flash drives. The big thing that all three of these had in common was that even though the network itself was secure, the network security could be circumvented via physical access. In the case of Snowden, it was a case of the admins on the network having too much power and too little oversight. Again, the weakest link in computer security being the people.


Yup. And this will be why Skynet does away with humans. The thinking meat ends up thinking wrong.
 
2014-04-28 09:38:59 PM  
jst3p: vudukungfu: dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.

I have thousands of pirated games on the 5 inch discs.
I have an "Apple II" that was built from parts in a junkyard to play them on.
I can also load windows 2 on the system.

Worth the 12 minutes: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEHHB6rnMI


I hate you for showing me that. If you edit that down, it could be the next rick roll.  It was going fine until the singing started, then my brain melted, and I had to shut it off.
 
2014-04-28 09:56:48 PM  
This thread pretty much turned into the pile of wires and cigarette smoke stained monitor cases I knew it was going to.
 
2014-04-28 10:18:02 PM  
I really don't want a more effective, state-of-the-art way to eliminate the human race on planet Earth.  Last thing I need is some teenager hacking into the system and starting WW3 because he thought he was playing a game.

Or a sentient computer system wanting to wipe out humanity.

Or someone just pushing the wrong button.

Or a mouse chewing through a wire...
 
2014-04-28 10:33:14 PM  

noblewolf: jst3p: vudukungfu: dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.

I have thousands of pirated games on the 5 inch discs.
I have an "Apple II" that was built from parts in a junkyard to play them on.
I can also load windows 2 on the system.

Worth the 12 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEHHB6rnMI

I hate you for showing me that. If you edit that down, it could be the next rick roll.  It was going fine until the singing started, then my brain melted, and I had to shut it off.


That video gives me the weirdest boner.
 
2014-04-28 10:38:09 PM  

weltallica: PluckYew:

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Those props seem familiar...

[i.imgur.com image 576x432]


Many more instances of "The Prop".
 
2014-04-28 10:38:59 PM  

buckler: weltallica: PluckYew:

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Those props seem familiar...

[i.imgur.com image 576x432]

Many more instances of "The Prop".


D.oh. Wrong link. Try Here.
 
2014-04-28 11:06:12 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I wonder if they still rent their phones from AT&T.


Well they have to. the analog PBX they're attached to would be worthless without the phones. And modern phones don't connect via 25pin amphenols.
 
2014-04-28 11:37:43 PM  
Meh, aren't spacecraft still using 80386's with 64KB RAM or some such.
 
2014-04-29 12:06:33 AM  
I remember back in the late 70s, we'd crush up match heads, then apply clear nail polish on the exposed area of a floppy, then sprinkle crushed match heads on the floppy. After it dries, place the floppy in a PC. then when they turn on the computer, the friction from the floppy spinning around normally causes the floppy to ignite.
Fun in the days before terrorists.
 
2014-04-29 12:40:40 AM  

real_headhoncho: really don't want a more effective, state-of-the-art way to eliminate the human race on planet Earth.  Last thing I need is some teenager hacking into the system and starting WW3 because he thought he was playing a game.


Well that's why it's a closed system not attached to the internet.  That and it kept trying to go to porn sites.
 
2014-04-29 01:33:51 AM  

minuslars: Meh, aren't spacecraft still using 80386's with 64KB RAM or some such.


It's a little better now for the high end stuff. Curiosity is running a RAD750, which is a radiation-hardened PPC750 that maxes out at 200 MHz, plus 256 MB of RAM, giving the rover roughly the computing horsepower of a nicely outfitted 1998 vintage iMac.
 
2014-04-29 01:45:49 AM  

kvinesknows: JudgeMuttonChops: flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com

To split an even finer hair, the /users/ directory (name) was introduced in vista (2007)

/also, why would it be on the A:\ drive? :)

different users directory there bucko


The important thing was that you found a way to feel superior. Glad I could help.
 
2014-04-29 08:06:56 AM  

JudgeMuttonChops: kvinesknows: JudgeMuttonChops: flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com

To split an even finer hair, the /users/ directory (name) was introduced in vista (2007)

/also, why would it be on the A:\ drive? :)

different users directory there bucko

The important thing was that you found a way to feel superior. Glad I could help.


ahh soo.. Im trying to feel superior... whereas you were just splitting hairs.  awesome.  glad your not an self righteous asshole or anything
 
2014-04-29 08:30:26 AM  

UberDave: They upgraded last year by notching the other side of the disk giving them double the capacity.  The project costs $293,093,398.34.


That really was a strange system - we all doubled our disk's advertised capacity with a simple notch.
 
2014-04-29 09:52:38 AM  

minuslars: Meh, aren't spacecraft still using 80386's with 64KB RAM or some such.


You know how I know you were born after 1984? ;-)

/I think you're thinking 6502's and z80's.
//my air of smugness is to hide my realization that I... am... getting... old.
 
2014-04-29 10:36:21 AM  
meh...  I used a 5 inch floppy drive on windows 7...  Getting an 8 inch to run, I dont know... but it might be possible.   Windows just had the drivers ready to go, was beautiful.
 
2014-04-29 11:30:52 AM  

Destructor: I don't believe it. I thought their fire had gone out of the Universe. But there it is. An 8" floppy disk.

Where do you buy new 8" floppy disks?


Radio Shack
 
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