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2014-04-28 03:04:38 PM  

Gary-L: Destructor: What's their backup? Cassette tape?

Magnetic tape is a more reliable and stable backup medium than CD.  Imagine trying to adapt those mainframe launch systems to backup to a RAID setup.


Clearly, we have different experiences with tape. :-)

A RAID setup would be overkill... If they're doing something with 8" floppies... the amount of data you need to store can't be that great. What, 100K or something? Hell, just print it out in hex. There's your backup.
 
2014-04-28 03:05:27 PM  
So I guess this means my 5 year old Grandson is too technologically savvy to do this sort of work??
 
2014-04-28 03:06:40 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


actually those aren't PCs... it is probably an AS400 or something similar on the back end, or maybe even a mainframe.

WRKF or WRKCMD would probably be used.


IDNWTV


OS/400 (or OS/i or i System or whatever the hell they're calling it now) is a beautiful operating system from an engineering standpoint, but who the hell thought that WRKSYSSTS is an "easily-memorable and understandable command" is a damn sociopath.

(WRKSYSSTS is "Work With System Status", obviously)
 
2014-04-28 03:07:43 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


not only that is unlikely that one of the users will absentmindedly plug it into a random computer somewhere else and get a virus on it and then bring it into work... ie USB
 
2014-04-28 03:08:23 PM  

PainInTheASP: LOAD "missilecmnd.exe",8,1


Oh come now, the 1541 wasn't an 8" floppy drive!

Well isn't that odd; it appears I still remember my C64 floppy drives model# that I sold in 1986. Next thing I know, I'm going to start remember the names of my one nighters. A lot of good they'll do me now.
 
2014-04-28 03:11:22 PM  

Destructor: What, 100K or something?


Wow. According to Wikipedia, they could store a megabyte. That's "miraculous" by 70's standards.
 
2014-04-28 03:11:23 PM  

Blues_X: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


That. It's secure, and it works.


And it still won't stop some security nazi from demanding that they patch Adobe Acrobat and install the latest antivirus software.
 
2014-04-28 03:15:33 PM  
media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
 
2014-04-28 03:15:37 PM  
and who knew the entire reason we avoided WWIII was that no one could find the any key after they put the disk in.
 
2014-04-28 03:16:08 PM  
There's probably a gov warehouse of 8" floppy drives somewhere.  All that equipment would have stored backups.

Eventually replacement might become an issue, but what you would see is a system that basically emulates the 8" drive, which isn't that hard to concoct.

More challenging will be when microprocessor based systems can't get replacement parts because the machinery that produced those processors has long been scrapped.  At that point, you might as well rebuild it.
 
2014-04-28 03:16:25 PM  
What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux. same with the International space station.

and the NSA loves their Open Source snoop tools like Snort, etc.
 
2014-04-28 03:18:01 PM  

Destructor: Destructor: What, 100K or something?

Wow. According to Wikipedia, they could store a megabyte. That's "miraculous" by 70's standards.


Actually, with that density they almost never fail.  Our old System/36 used them and until we retired the thing around 2000ish the original disks STILL worked.  5 1/4" have a pretty low failure rate as well.  3 1/2" floppy disks were the bane of my existence when they were a thing.
 
2014-04-28 03:18:43 PM  

Destructor: Gary-L: Destructor: What's their backup? Cassette tape?

Magnetic tape is a more reliable and stable backup medium than CD.  Imagine trying to adapt those mainframe launch systems to backup to a RAID setup.

Clearly, we have different experiences with tape. :-)

A RAID setup would be overkill... If they're doing something with 8" floppies... the amount of data you need to store can't be that great. What, 100K or something? Hell, just print it out in hex. There's your backup.


The floppy disks aren't used for massive data storage.  More like file updates and the transfer of data from one system to the next.  Major patches and software upgrades will be via 10.5" reel-to-reel tape.
 
2014-04-28 03:19:06 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


Came here to say this. I used to date a military contractor who had to relearn DOS because the military puts some of its most sensitive information on it so it can be hack proof.
 
2014-04-28 03:21:39 PM  
No worries, the UFO's have already shown they can shut that sh*t down at will.  the DoD is keeping mum about it, though.

here's some witness testimony to same from a Colonel in the Air Force who commanded missile silos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cYPCKIL7oV w# t=2241   (SFW)
 
2014-04-28 03:22:06 PM  

slayer199: Turn your key sir!

[ishootthepictures.files.wordpress.com image 720x383]


But...if he shoots him, he still won't be able to turn that other key.
 
2014-04-28 03:22:18 PM  

d23: yeah right.  More libby lib lib mumbo jumble.

We all know it's major high tech down there...

[img.fark.net image 310x163]

I mean, shiat.. look at ALL THOSE LIGHTS!


Can't you get them to blink in sequence?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-28 03:22:29 PM  
Obama/drones/NSA

Nothing to see here citizen
 
2014-04-28 03:22:36 PM  
No, seriously don't copy that floppy....
 
2014-04-28 03:22:51 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.

[i1214.photobucket.com image 250x333]

Approves.


came here to do this. You get the nod
 
2014-04-28 03:23:17 PM  
PRESS PLAY ON TAPE
 
2014-04-28 03:23:22 PM  

MythDragon: slayer199: Turn your key sir!

[ishootthepictures.files.wordpress.com image 720x383]

But...if he shoots him, he still won't be able to turn that other key.


I've always wondered why would he of shot Leo McGary. He wouldn't of been able to launch.
 
2014-04-28 03:23:36 PM  

dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


The new Air Force Global Strike Command took over the ICBM mission from Air Force Space Command, so...

A:\ users\ USAF\AFGSC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe
 
2014-04-28 03:23:41 PM  

Linux_Yes: No worries, the UFO's have already shown they can shut that sh*t down at will.  the DoD is keeping mum about it, though.

here's some witness testimony to same from a Colonel in the Air Force who commanded missile silos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cYPCKIL7oV w# t=2241   (SFW)



corrected time stamp in link     https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cYPCKIL7oVw # t=2332
 
2014-04-28 03:23:46 PM  

SewerSquirrels: Next thing I know, I'm going to start remember the names of my one nighters. A lot of good they'll do me now.


Are you my dad?
 
2014-04-28 03:24:25 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


Came here to say that; do you really want the launch procedures online, or transmitted via Internet or Twitter or whatever is the next 'latest and greatest' electronic communication mode? Floppies are self contained and can't be hacked unless you're right there in the silo launch facility.
 
2014-04-28 03:24:54 PM  
I'm getting a real kick out of thread as I work on an analog circuit with 1982 stamped on the circuit board.
 
2014-04-28 03:25:22 PM  

UberDave: They upgraded last year by notching the other side of the disk giving them double the capacity.  The project costs $293,093,398.34.


www.blogcdn.com

Plus it gave them one hell of a headache and a nose bleed.
 
2014-04-28 03:25:24 PM  
I last touched an 8" floppy around 1992 when I put one in an AS/400.  I think it was an E series, which was an amazing upgrade from the B series it replaced.
 
2014-04-28 03:25:35 PM  

Boojum2k: Gig103: missilecmnd.exe is too long for an MS-DOS based file system. missil~1.exe

launch.exe

Not to be confused with lunch.exe, on the other floppy.


veryhilarious.com

Probably my favorite image on the internet.
 
2014-04-28 03:33:40 PM  

dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.
2. We're assuming DOS. That is unlikely if they're still using computers from the 1970s.
3. We're assuming that they're using computers. They might merely be loading settings for logic circuits or banks of relays... the electronic equivalent to wires on a plugboard.
 
2014-04-28 03:33:43 PM  

PluckYew: d23: yeah right.  More libby lib lib mumbo jumble.

We all know it's major high tech down there...

[img.fark.net image 310x163]

I mean, shiat.. look at ALL THOSE LIGHTS!

Can't you get them to blink in sequence?

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


HEY, THAT'S MY LINE!

No literally.  It's where my screen name came from.  Bastards...
 
2014-04-28 03:33:54 PM  
This is okay. During Sailbration in Baltimore I toured one 2nd most advance grey hull there. It was Norway and the systems used 2.5 inch floppy. They were not the only ones too. The American ships and Canadian ship used floppies too.

If it looks stupid, but works it isn't stupid.
 
2014-04-28 03:34:37 PM  
I visited the last battleship, Missouri, this year and was amazed at how antiquated the electronics and electrical systems were.  Everything was hardened, except the ability to splice power and the electronics.  So there are hardened electrical systems connecting, and switching stuff, and IBM computers that are normal business models, plugged in.  I don't think that they are connected.

I'm not sure what this has to do with missile silos (well, there's those Tomahawk thingies), but it's fun to look at old stuff.  Especially if it's still operational or nearly (this battleship was struck in Jan, 1995)

/I couldn't believe how big a switch was that controlled climate control stuff on the Big MO.  And everything still has placards from the manufacturer even though there's been a whole lot of consolidation in the electrical market since 1949.
 
2014-04-28 03:35:47 PM  

Mrbogey: I'm getting a real kick out of thread as I work on an analog circuit with 1982 stamped on the circuit board.



and a soldering gun as a light saber!
 
2014-04-28 03:36:03 PM  

dittybopper: I have one at my desk here at work.  It's right next to a copy of "The Mythical Man-Month" by Brooks.  Both are from 1982.  It's my little "electronic data is not permanent" demonstration:  I hand them to people and say "Which one can you still read?".


Cover the disk with color-presenting magnetic ink. Your System Engineers have a bottle, for diagnosing magnetic tape behavior. Read the bits with a microscope.
 
2014-04-28 03:37:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!


Something tells me they run Unix.
 
2014-04-28 03:38:14 PM  
FTFA " launch silo"

WRONG.

a "launch silo" is where you store and launch a missile from.
a launch "capsule" is where the Missileers (or "turnkeys) reside while pulling alerts. if they sat inside the launch "silos" not only would that be counter to the redundancy protocols (things spread out far enough apart that no one strike can cripple our retaliatory capabilities) but it would kill the Missileers once the missile launched.
 
2014-04-28 03:39:16 PM  
PluckYew:

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Those props seem familiar...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-28 03:40:06 PM  

Intrepid00: This is okay. During Sailbration in Baltimore I toured one 2nd most advance grey hull there. It was Norway and the systems used 2.5 inch floppy. They were not the only ones too. The American ships and Canadian ship used floppies too.

If it looks stupid, but works it isn't stupid.


You can't hack a floppy remotely.
Well, I imagine you could.
In a sci fi movie.
 
2014-04-28 03:41:00 PM  

jst3p: Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!

Something tells me they run Unix.


nope. these are late 60's early 70's main frame systems.  so some form of machine code or another. but not unix.
 
2014-04-28 03:41:01 PM  

WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.


Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.
 
2014-04-28 03:43:21 PM  

Grapple: Are you my dad?


Probably, but thankfully your mom will never admit it.
 
2014-04-28 03:44:09 PM  

dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.


I have thousands of pirated games on the 5 inch discs.
I have an "Apple II" that was built from parts in a junkyard to play them on.
I can also load windows 2 on the system.
 
2014-04-28 03:44:58 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: I last touched an 8" floppy around 1992 when I put one in an AS/400.  I think it was an E series, which was an amazing upgrade from the B series it replaced.


That sounds like some hot nerd sexting.  I'll turn your 8" floppy into a hard drive if you put it in my AS/500, only a D Series though.

\giggity
 
2014-04-28 03:45:52 PM  

Stratohead: FTFA " launch silo"

WRONG.

a "launch silo" is where you store and launch a missile from.
a launch "capsule" is where the Missileers (or "turnkeys) reside while pulling alerts. if they sat inside the launch "silos" not only would that be counter to the redundancy protocols (things spread out far enough apart that no one strike can cripple our retaliatory capabilities) but it would kill the Missileers once the missile launched.


Wouldn't separating them cause two single points of failure?
 
2014-04-28 03:46:12 PM  

dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com
 
2014-04-28 03:47:43 PM  

Grapple: Are you my dad?


I take that back. Considering your acct. number and the fact that my "dad" came out of the closet a few years ago, you could actually be mine. I'll be expecting a bottle of single malt scotch for my next birthday, Padre.
 
2014-04-28 03:49:06 PM  

flynn80: TheGreatGazoo: I last touched an 8" floppy around 1992 when I put one in an AS/400.  I think it was an E series, which was an amazing upgrade from the B series it replaced.

That sounds like some hot nerd sexting.  I'll turn your 8" floppy into a hard drive if you put it in my AS/500, only a D Series though.

\giggity


It's ain't no joke, when your Wang is broke.
 
2014-04-28 03:49:45 PM  

flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com


Yeah, I know.  Been a while.
 
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