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2014-04-28 01:55:16 PM  
Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe
 
2014-04-28 02:01:51 PM  

dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!
 
2014-04-28 02:02:54 PM  
Well, wait...How do we know the floppy isn't being used in conjunction with a program already stored on a hard disk or other permanent storage medium?  The floppy could just be a reference disk for the program at hand!
 
2014-04-28 02:04:49 PM  
LOAD "missilecmnd.exe",8,1
 
2014-04-28 02:06:23 PM  
And I would think it would be:

C:> a:

A:> misslecmnd
 
2014-04-28 02:08:13 PM  
This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.
 
2014-04-28 02:10:09 PM  
missilecmnd.exe is too long for an MS-DOS based file system. missil~1.exe
 
2014-04-28 02:11:17 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


i1214.photobucket.com

Approves.
 
2014-04-28 02:16:11 PM  
Turn your key sir!

ishootthepictures.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-28 02:20:57 PM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Well, wait...How do we know the floppy isn't being used in conjunction with a program already stored on a hard disk or other permanent storage medium?  The floppy could just be a reference disk for the program at hand!


The old ones only held about 1 Mb, so I'm assuming they're used as system keys. It's not that crazy, because it adds to security to use an odd and specific hardware. Another advantage is that would be harder for bad guys to make a copy, real or fake, since the 8" drives are probably extremely rare these days.
 
2014-04-28 02:22:48 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.



That. It's secure, and it works.
 
2014-04-28 02:26:12 PM  

Blues_X: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


That. It's secure, and it works.


Provided nobody has a magnet...
 
2014-04-28 02:38:30 PM  

Gig103: missilecmnd.exe is too long for an MS-DOS based file system. missil~1.exe


I had totally forgotten about that. Good catch.
 
2014-04-28 02:39:06 PM  
They upgraded last year by notching the other side of the disk giving them double the capacity.  The project costs $293,093,398.34.
 
2014-04-28 02:43:09 PM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Blues_X: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


That. It's secure, and it works.

Provided nobody has a magnet...


Yeah, that. How many billion-dollar systems can be defeated because you slept with/blackmailed a tech, or they didn't background-check the janitorial staff at the third-party firm, or your secretary propped the door open when he left on his smoke break, or someone wrote down a password in plaintext?

Meat is always your weak link.

// one would think they have backup copies of the disk(s), but you know what they say about assumptions...
 
2014-04-28 02:47:34 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // one would think they have backup copies of the disk(s), but you know what they say about assumptions..


I don't, actually, but you seem pretty sure that I do...
 
2014-04-28 02:47:55 PM  
So the people who have the job of launching middles that have never been launched  have no experience in launching them???

No shiat?
 
2014-04-28 02:47:57 PM  
yeah right.  More libby lib lib mumbo jumble.

We all know it's major high tech down there...

img.fark.net

I mean, shiat.. look at ALL THOSE LIGHTS!
 
2014-04-28 02:49:33 PM  
Hey Ducky, let me stick this 8-inch in the computer.
 
2014-04-28 02:49:50 PM  
Meh, I still deal with a couple of original IBM DOS green screens.

/ THEY BELONG IN A MUSEUM
 
2014-04-28 02:49:53 PM  

Gig103: missilecmnd.exe is too long for an MS-DOS based file system. missil~1.exe


launch.exe

Not to be confused with lunch.exe, on the other floppy.
 
2014-04-28 02:50:09 PM  
"First, the staff doesn't seem wildly experienced."

Well shoot, did they just sleep through the last few nuclear wars we had?
 
2014-04-28 02:50:50 PM  
On Friday last week, two U.S. Navy supercomputers were brought down when a welder shorted a coolant system power cable.
 
2014-04-28 02:51:14 PM  
Who cares, as long as it works and it's secure?
 
2014-04-28 02:51:24 PM  
game for the Wargames reference, leaving satisfied..
 
2014-04-28 02:51:36 PM  
I don't believe it. I thought their fire had gone out of the Universe. But there it is. An 8" floppy disk.

Where do you buy new 8" floppy disks?
 
2014-04-28 02:52:13 PM  
What's their backup? Cassette tape?
 
2014-04-28 02:52:22 PM  

dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe



actually those aren't PCs... it is probably an AS400 or something similar on the back end, or maybe even a mainframe.

WRKF or WRKCMD would probably be used.


IDNWTV
 
2014-04-28 02:52:37 PM  
Nerds.jpg
 
2014-04-28 02:52:43 PM  

The Green Intern: "First, the staff doesn't seem wildly experienced."


That's not what their test results say.
 
2014-04-28 02:52:56 PM  
You should see their collection of eight track tapes.
 
2014-04-28 02:53:09 PM  
I worked at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station for a while in a building used to build/prep satellites for launch.  I expected Star Trek type technology...

Man, was I disappointed.  My job?  Monitor temperature and humidity levels in the clean rooms and to call someone if they went out of specs.

After my first day, I realized a decent $300 computer could do the same.  They had someone in every damn building doing this.  My trainer had been there so long, the guy was making about $40,000 a year watching 2 dials.

They couldn't keep people in that job...was just toooooo boring. I lasted a month.
 
2014-04-28 02:53:51 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.

Approves.


Came here for this, leaving satisfied.

"It's a reminder of a time when we were so terrified of our enemies that we literally looked backward for protection."
 
2014-04-28 02:53:53 PM  

Sgt. Expendable: Dr Dreidel: // one would think they have backup copies of the disk(s), but you know what they say about assumptions..

I don't, actually, but you seem pretty sure that I do...


"Making an assumption makes an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'mption'."

// and now you know
// I honestly thought everyone knew that
 
2014-04-28 02:54:11 PM  

Destructor: I don't believe it. I thought their fire had gone out of the Universe. But there it is. An 8" floppy disk.

Where do you buy new 8" floppy disks?


They bought 70 million of them in 1980. When one quits working; they just get one out of storage.

/ 70 million is an exaggeration; probably not a big one
 
2014-04-28 02:56:02 PM  
We must prevent the Iranians from acquiring these capabilities.
 
2014-04-28 02:56:13 PM  
The issue is who is still manufacturing 8-inch floppy disks these days?
 
2014-04-28 02:56:21 PM  
Load "Global Thermonuclear War",8,1
 
2014-04-28 02:56:24 PM  
They don't seem wildly experienced?  I don't think I'd want a couple of cranky 50+yo holding the keys, who have been passed over for promotion and stuck in a silo for decades,
 
2014-04-28 02:56:35 PM  
MrBallou:  Another advantage is that would be harder for bad guys to make a copy, real or fake, since the 8" drives are probably extremely rare these days.

Came here to say this. Security through Obscurity has it's advantages.

It's probably pretty farking hard to upgrade a system like that, anyway. I imagine it's not the sort of thing you can allow any down time for, nor can you risk any glitches bringing up, or handing off to, the new control system. Besides, upgrading the launch system isn't going to make those missiles be any deadlier. Don't fix what ain't broke.
 
2014-04-28 02:56:39 PM  

Destructor: What's their backup? Cassette tape?


Magnetic tape is a more reliable and stable backup medium than CD.  Imagine trying to adapt those mainframe launch systems to backup to a RAID setup.
 
2014-04-28 02:57:45 PM  
I've got your 8" floppy right here!
 
2014-04-28 02:58:59 PM  

Destructor: I don't believe it. I thought their fire had gone out of the Universe. But there it is. An 8" floppy disk.

Where do you buy new 8" floppy disks?


ebay

When I started at my current job (TV production) they were still using a switcher that is older than I am. We each had a 5.25" floppy with our own personal effects on it to load before each show. They had to buy new discs off ebay for new people.

Thankfully we have upgraded since then.
 
2014-04-28 02:59:17 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-28 02:59:27 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


Like Iranian nuclear facilities?
 
2014-04-28 03:00:18 PM  
What works works. Would we rather have the USAF spend billions of dollars modernizing a launch control system that works exactly as designed when there is no compelling reason to? The floppies are used because they are cheap, easily destroyed and hard to conceal. They probably contain data required to complete a launch sequence and the data change every few hours. When I was in SAC in the 1970s, we had access codes and pass phrases that changed every four hours. These were delivered word-of-mouth and you had to know the previous values in order to use the new ones.

CBS got a peek and nothing more. They weren't shown how the system really works. Actually, only the final steps in a missile launch happen at the silo. The officers manning them could never launch without critical systems being enabled from elsewhere.
 
2014-04-28 03:00:32 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!


I have one at my desk here at work.  It's right next to a copy of "The Mythical Man-Month" by Brooks.  Both are from 1982.  It's my little "electronic data is not permanent" demonstration:  I hand them to people and say "Which one can you still read?".

/Probably could read the 8" floppy with some effort.
//Probably.  If the data itself didn't rot.
 
2014-04-28 03:03:30 PM  
We went to the moon with less.
 
2014-04-28 03:04:17 PM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Blues_X: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


That. It's secure, and it works.

Provided nobody has a magnet...


Which is why they should have stayed with punch cards.

/I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good!
 
2014-04-28 03:04:24 PM  
Another vote for the outdated unconnected system.

It's proven, stable, secure, reliable, and if all else fails, you can piss on the damn spark plug to turn it off.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-28 03:04:38 PM  

Gary-L: Destructor: What's their backup? Cassette tape?

Magnetic tape is a more reliable and stable backup medium than CD.  Imagine trying to adapt those mainframe launch systems to backup to a RAID setup.


Clearly, we have different experiences with tape. :-)

A RAID setup would be overkill... If they're doing something with 8" floppies... the amount of data you need to store can't be that great. What, 100K or something? Hell, just print it out in hex. There's your backup.
 
2014-04-28 03:05:27 PM  
So I guess this means my 5 year old Grandson is too technologically savvy to do this sort of work??
 
2014-04-28 03:06:40 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


actually those aren't PCs... it is probably an AS400 or something similar on the back end, or maybe even a mainframe.

WRKF or WRKCMD would probably be used.


IDNWTV


OS/400 (or OS/i or i System or whatever the hell they're calling it now) is a beautiful operating system from an engineering standpoint, but who the hell thought that WRKSYSSTS is an "easily-memorable and understandable command" is a damn sociopath.

(WRKSYSSTS is "Work With System Status", obviously)
 
2014-04-28 03:07:43 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


not only that is unlikely that one of the users will absentmindedly plug it into a random computer somewhere else and get a virus on it and then bring it into work... ie USB
 
2014-04-28 03:08:23 PM  

PainInTheASP: LOAD "missilecmnd.exe",8,1


Oh come now, the 1541 wasn't an 8" floppy drive!

Well isn't that odd; it appears I still remember my C64 floppy drives model# that I sold in 1986. Next thing I know, I'm going to start remember the names of my one nighters. A lot of good they'll do me now.
 
2014-04-28 03:11:22 PM  

Destructor: What, 100K or something?


Wow. According to Wikipedia, they could store a megabyte. That's "miraculous" by 70's standards.
 
2014-04-28 03:11:23 PM  

Blues_X: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


That. It's secure, and it works.


And it still won't stop some security nazi from demanding that they patch Adobe Acrobat and install the latest antivirus software.
 
2014-04-28 03:15:33 PM  
media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
 
2014-04-28 03:15:37 PM  
and who knew the entire reason we avoided WWIII was that no one could find the any key after they put the disk in.
 
2014-04-28 03:16:08 PM  
There's probably a gov warehouse of 8" floppy drives somewhere.  All that equipment would have stored backups.

Eventually replacement might become an issue, but what you would see is a system that basically emulates the 8" drive, which isn't that hard to concoct.

More challenging will be when microprocessor based systems can't get replacement parts because the machinery that produced those processors has long been scrapped.  At that point, you might as well rebuild it.
 
2014-04-28 03:16:25 PM  
What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux. same with the International space station.

and the NSA loves their Open Source snoop tools like Snort, etc.
 
2014-04-28 03:18:01 PM  

Destructor: Destructor: What, 100K or something?

Wow. According to Wikipedia, they could store a megabyte. That's "miraculous" by 70's standards.


Actually, with that density they almost never fail.  Our old System/36 used them and until we retired the thing around 2000ish the original disks STILL worked.  5 1/4" have a pretty low failure rate as well.  3 1/2" floppy disks were the bane of my existence when they were a thing.
 
2014-04-28 03:18:43 PM  

Destructor: Gary-L: Destructor: What's their backup? Cassette tape?

Magnetic tape is a more reliable and stable backup medium than CD.  Imagine trying to adapt those mainframe launch systems to backup to a RAID setup.

Clearly, we have different experiences with tape. :-)

A RAID setup would be overkill... If they're doing something with 8" floppies... the amount of data you need to store can't be that great. What, 100K or something? Hell, just print it out in hex. There's your backup.


The floppy disks aren't used for massive data storage.  More like file updates and the transfer of data from one system to the next.  Major patches and software upgrades will be via 10.5" reel-to-reel tape.
 
2014-04-28 03:19:06 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


Came here to say this. I used to date a military contractor who had to relearn DOS because the military puts some of its most sensitive information on it so it can be hack proof.
 
2014-04-28 03:21:39 PM  
No worries, the UFO's have already shown they can shut that sh*t down at will.  the DoD is keeping mum about it, though.

here's some witness testimony to same from a Colonel in the Air Force who commanded missile silos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cYPCKIL7oV w# t=2241   (SFW)
 
2014-04-28 03:22:06 PM  

slayer199: Turn your key sir!

[ishootthepictures.files.wordpress.com image 720x383]


But...if he shoots him, he still won't be able to turn that other key.
 
2014-04-28 03:22:18 PM  

d23: yeah right.  More libby lib lib mumbo jumble.

We all know it's major high tech down there...

[img.fark.net image 310x163]

I mean, shiat.. look at ALL THOSE LIGHTS!


Can't you get them to blink in sequence?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-28 03:22:29 PM  
Obama/drones/NSA

Nothing to see here citizen
 
2014-04-28 03:22:36 PM  
No, seriously don't copy that floppy....
 
2014-04-28 03:22:51 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.

[i1214.photobucket.com image 250x333]

Approves.


came here to do this. You get the nod
 
2014-04-28 03:23:17 PM  
PRESS PLAY ON TAPE
 
2014-04-28 03:23:22 PM  

MythDragon: slayer199: Turn your key sir!

[ishootthepictures.files.wordpress.com image 720x383]

But...if he shoots him, he still won't be able to turn that other key.


I've always wondered why would he of shot Leo McGary. He wouldn't of been able to launch.
 
2014-04-28 03:23:36 PM  

dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


The new Air Force Global Strike Command took over the ICBM mission from Air Force Space Command, so...

A:\ users\ USAF\AFGSC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe
 
2014-04-28 03:23:41 PM  

Linux_Yes: No worries, the UFO's have already shown they can shut that sh*t down at will.  the DoD is keeping mum about it, though.

here's some witness testimony to same from a Colonel in the Air Force who commanded missile silos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cYPCKIL7oV w# t=2241   (SFW)



corrected time stamp in link     https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cYPCKIL7oVw # t=2332
 
2014-04-28 03:23:46 PM  

SewerSquirrels: Next thing I know, I'm going to start remember the names of my one nighters. A lot of good they'll do me now.


Are you my dad?
 
2014-04-28 03:24:25 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


Came here to say that; do you really want the launch procedures online, or transmitted via Internet or Twitter or whatever is the next 'latest and greatest' electronic communication mode? Floppies are self contained and can't be hacked unless you're right there in the silo launch facility.
 
2014-04-28 03:24:54 PM  
I'm getting a real kick out of thread as I work on an analog circuit with 1982 stamped on the circuit board.
 
2014-04-28 03:25:22 PM  

UberDave: They upgraded last year by notching the other side of the disk giving them double the capacity.  The project costs $293,093,398.34.


www.blogcdn.com

Plus it gave them one hell of a headache and a nose bleed.
 
2014-04-28 03:25:24 PM  
I last touched an 8" floppy around 1992 when I put one in an AS/400.  I think it was an E series, which was an amazing upgrade from the B series it replaced.
 
2014-04-28 03:25:35 PM  

Boojum2k: Gig103: missilecmnd.exe is too long for an MS-DOS based file system. missil~1.exe

launch.exe

Not to be confused with lunch.exe, on the other floppy.


veryhilarious.com

Probably my favorite image on the internet.
 
2014-04-28 03:33:40 PM  

dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.
2. We're assuming DOS. That is unlikely if they're still using computers from the 1970s.
3. We're assuming that they're using computers. They might merely be loading settings for logic circuits or banks of relays... the electronic equivalent to wires on a plugboard.
 
2014-04-28 03:33:43 PM  

PluckYew: d23: yeah right.  More libby lib lib mumbo jumble.

We all know it's major high tech down there...

[img.fark.net image 310x163]

I mean, shiat.. look at ALL THOSE LIGHTS!

Can't you get them to blink in sequence?

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


HEY, THAT'S MY LINE!

No literally.  It's where my screen name came from.  Bastards...
 
2014-04-28 03:33:54 PM  
This is okay. During Sailbration in Baltimore I toured one 2nd most advance grey hull there. It was Norway and the systems used 2.5 inch floppy. They were not the only ones too. The American ships and Canadian ship used floppies too.

If it looks stupid, but works it isn't stupid.
 
2014-04-28 03:34:37 PM  
I visited the last battleship, Missouri, this year and was amazed at how antiquated the electronics and electrical systems were.  Everything was hardened, except the ability to splice power and the electronics.  So there are hardened electrical systems connecting, and switching stuff, and IBM computers that are normal business models, plugged in.  I don't think that they are connected.

I'm not sure what this has to do with missile silos (well, there's those Tomahawk thingies), but it's fun to look at old stuff.  Especially if it's still operational or nearly (this battleship was struck in Jan, 1995)

/I couldn't believe how big a switch was that controlled climate control stuff on the Big MO.  And everything still has placards from the manufacturer even though there's been a whole lot of consolidation in the electrical market since 1949.
 
2014-04-28 03:35:47 PM  

Mrbogey: I'm getting a real kick out of thread as I work on an analog circuit with 1982 stamped on the circuit board.



and a soldering gun as a light saber!
 
2014-04-28 03:36:03 PM  

dittybopper: I have one at my desk here at work.  It's right next to a copy of "The Mythical Man-Month" by Brooks.  Both are from 1982.  It's my little "electronic data is not permanent" demonstration:  I hand them to people and say "Which one can you still read?".


Cover the disk with color-presenting magnetic ink. Your System Engineers have a bottle, for diagnosing magnetic tape behavior. Read the bits with a microscope.
 
2014-04-28 03:37:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!


Something tells me they run Unix.
 
2014-04-28 03:38:14 PM  
FTFA " launch silo"

WRONG.

a "launch silo" is where you store and launch a missile from.
a launch "capsule" is where the Missileers (or "turnkeys) reside while pulling alerts. if they sat inside the launch "silos" not only would that be counter to the redundancy protocols (things spread out far enough apart that no one strike can cripple our retaliatory capabilities) but it would kill the Missileers once the missile launched.
 
2014-04-28 03:39:16 PM  
PluckYew:

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Those props seem familiar...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-28 03:40:06 PM  

Intrepid00: This is okay. During Sailbration in Baltimore I toured one 2nd most advance grey hull there. It was Norway and the systems used 2.5 inch floppy. They were not the only ones too. The American ships and Canadian ship used floppies too.

If it looks stupid, but works it isn't stupid.


You can't hack a floppy remotely.
Well, I imagine you could.
In a sci fi movie.
 
2014-04-28 03:41:00 PM  

jst3p: Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!

Something tells me they run Unix.


nope. these are late 60's early 70's main frame systems.  so some form of machine code or another. but not unix.
 
2014-04-28 03:41:01 PM  

WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.


Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.
 
2014-04-28 03:43:21 PM  

Grapple: Are you my dad?


Probably, but thankfully your mom will never admit it.
 
2014-04-28 03:44:09 PM  

dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.


I have thousands of pirated games on the 5 inch discs.
I have an "Apple II" that was built from parts in a junkyard to play them on.
I can also load windows 2 on the system.
 
2014-04-28 03:44:58 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: I last touched an 8" floppy around 1992 when I put one in an AS/400.  I think it was an E series, which was an amazing upgrade from the B series it replaced.


That sounds like some hot nerd sexting.  I'll turn your 8" floppy into a hard drive if you put it in my AS/500, only a D Series though.

\giggity
 
2014-04-28 03:45:52 PM  

Stratohead: FTFA " launch silo"

WRONG.

a "launch silo" is where you store and launch a missile from.
a launch "capsule" is where the Missileers (or "turnkeys) reside while pulling alerts. if they sat inside the launch "silos" not only would that be counter to the redundancy protocols (things spread out far enough apart that no one strike can cripple our retaliatory capabilities) but it would kill the Missileers once the missile launched.


Wouldn't separating them cause two single points of failure?
 
2014-04-28 03:46:12 PM  

dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com
 
2014-04-28 03:47:43 PM  

Grapple: Are you my dad?


I take that back. Considering your acct. number and the fact that my "dad" came out of the closet a few years ago, you could actually be mine. I'll be expecting a bottle of single malt scotch for my next birthday, Padre.
 
2014-04-28 03:49:06 PM  

flynn80: TheGreatGazoo: I last touched an 8" floppy around 1992 when I put one in an AS/400.  I think it was an E series, which was an amazing upgrade from the B series it replaced.

That sounds like some hot nerd sexting.  I'll turn your 8" floppy into a hard drive if you put it in my AS/500, only a D Series though.

\giggity


It's ain't no joke, when your Wang is broke.
 
2014-04-28 03:49:45 PM  

flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com


Yeah, I know.  Been a while.
 
2014-04-28 03:49:53 PM  

KidneyStone: iheartscotch: Meh, I still deal with a couple of original IBM DOS green screens.

/ THEY BELONG IN A MUSEUM

Shiat, you got me beat.  The worst I have to deal with is a couple of NT 3.5 workstations that 'cannot' be upgraded due to a) The coder is dead, b) source code is long gone, c) the 'product' doesn't justify a dime spent on it and "it's going away soon" (that was 4 years ago), and d) some jackass agreed to a contract that specifically states the hardware cannot be changed EVAR!!11!!.  Seriously.

/At least we virtualized them


Yeah, not only do non-technical people use these specific machines; they actually preform scheduling and SSH activities on them.

/ They interface with the oldest rack server in existence; an all original IBM.

// luckily; those machines are beasts and rarely require direct intervention
 
2014-04-28 03:50:07 PM  

vudukungfu: dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.

I have thousands of pirated games on the 5 inch discs.
I have an "Apple II" that was built from parts in a junkyard to play them on.
I can also load windows 2 on the system.


Worth the 12 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEHHB6rnMI
 
2014-04-28 03:52:24 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


Furthermore, this system is on antiquated equipment and probably uses a code developed only for the launch controls, making reverse engineering difficult. Also, good luck trying to smuggle out an 8-inch floppy diskette. You can't slip this in a Lady Gaga CD case, and you cant tape one to your back or stomach under your clothes without risk of bending or breaking the diskette, and ANY patdown will discover the diskette. So I don't care if it's low tech--It's secure and it works, so it's not stupid.


PainInTheASP: LOAD "missilecmnd.exe",8,1


I luled.
 
2014-04-28 03:52:37 PM  
Back during the Cuba Missile Crisis, my father was in SAC and on a bomber crew. He had just got home from having flown an Operation Watchdog mission (airborne for 72 straight hours with two flight crews aboard) and was bone tired. We didn't live far from the base and we heard the alert klaxon go off. A couple of minute later, our phone rang and my dad had to report back to the base immediately. By the time he arrived, the USAF had already cut all land-line communications and external power to the base. Reporting personnel could enter but no one was allowed to leave. When my father learned what was going on, he slipped under a fence and found a pay phone off base to call my mother and tell her to "get the kids in the car and get them the hell out of here now!" (stupid man. They'd have shot him if they had caught him.) This was at just after 9:00 pm. About a half-hour later, the alert B-52s and KC-135s launched. I knew my father was in one of them. I didn't see him again for four days. He never would tell me how they communicated with SAC HQ in such situations. I had to find this out when I served.
 
2014-04-28 03:53:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!


Probably a Series/1 IBM minicomputer. We used a "field version" of this in the Marine Corps in the late 80s, and our office (ISMO, MCAS Beaufort, SC) had a Series/1 linked to the mainframes in Camp Lejeune that we used to process reports for distribution to the units on the air station.

It is a bit shocking that it hasn't been upgraded in decades, but an 8in floppy isn't 60s tech, as stated in the comments section of that article. Shugart (I had an uncle who used to work for them) didn't really start rolling on floppies until the mid-70s, and IBM moves very slowly with "enterprise" hardware.

Ah... thankfully I haven't had to code a line of EDL code in 25 years.
 
2014-04-28 03:54:28 PM  

mistrmind: The issue is who is still manufacturing 8-inch floppy disks these days?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Floppy-Disks-8-2-boxes-20-Disks-Un-0pened-Sea l ed-Boxes-VINTAGE-MEMOREX-/181392311397#ht_1703wt_1175">http://www.eba y.com/itm/Floppy-Disks-8-2-boxes-20-Disks-Un-0pened-Seal ed-Boxes-VINTAGE-MEMOREX-/181392311397#ht_1703wt_1175

Your welcome.
 
2014-04-28 03:55:01 PM  
8" Floppy? Security through obscurity.

//Was a KayPro luggable Dealer
 
2014-04-28 03:57:46 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: And I would think it would be:

C:> a:

A:> misslecmnd


depends on your path statement, version of DOS
 
2014-04-28 04:00:31 PM  
Subby you forgot that missile operators are not power users so they would not type full paths. Try "vc.com tap-tap-tap msslcmd.com"

/although I think they would prefer dn.com, it had a built-in Tetris game
//*wipes tears*
 
2014-04-28 04:03:30 PM  

dittybopper: Yeah, I know. Been a while.


I bet the company making those floppies is earning a fortune from them.
 
2014-04-28 04:03:33 PM  

PluckYew: d23: yeah right.  More libby lib lib mumbo jumble.

We all know it's major high tech down there...

[img.fark.net image 310x163]

I mean, shiat.. look at ALL THOSE LIGHTS!

Can't you get them to blink in sequence?

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap, will ya? We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, PluckYew. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug!
 
2014-04-28 04:04:17 PM  
img.fark.net

Aund thats allh i gots to say about that.....
 
2014-04-28 04:04:42 PM  
MrBallou:
The old ones only held about 1 Mb, so I'm assuming they're used as system keys. It's not that crazy, because it adds to security to use an odd and specific hardware. Another advantage is that would be harder for bad guys to make a copy, real or fake, since the 8" drives are probably extremely rare these days.

Nah, the bad guys would just have to know how to buy things on e-bay.
 
2014-04-28 04:08:47 PM  

flucto: dittybopper: Yeah, I know. Been a while.

I bet the company making those floppies is earning a fortune from them.


Somewhere, I've got a bunch of pristine, uncut punch cards.

I just haven't seen them in a few years.
 
2014-04-28 04:10:31 PM  
Heh. I work with multimillion dollar ROVs. Our OS is still DOS.
/the last thing you need at 10,000 feet deep is the blue screen of death.
 
2014-04-28 04:12:56 PM  

Lord Dimwit: cannotsuggestaname: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe


actually those aren't PCs... it is probably an AS400 or something similar on the back end, or maybe even a mainframe.

WRKF or WRKCMD would probably be used.


IDNWTV

OS/400 (or OS/i or i System or whatever the hell they're calling it now) is a beautiful operating system from an engineering standpoint, but who the hell thought that WRKSYSSTS is an "easily-memorable and understandable command" is a damn sociopath.

(WRKSYSSTS is "Work With System Status", obviously)


i.ytimg.com


the last company I worked at ran all of their back end AND front end on i5 550 and i5 570. I have no idea what they were thinking, but watching Tomcat and Apache running on an i5 was interesting to say the least.
 
2014-04-28 04:13:52 PM  

Gig103: missilecmnd.exe is too long for an MS-DOS based file system. missil~1.exe


This way of shortening long filenames was introduced with MS Windows 95. Are you suggesting those computers are running THAT?

/oh noes
 
2014-04-28 04:16:18 PM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Blues_X: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


That. It's secure, and it works.

Provided nobody has a magnet...


...or a source of ionizing radiation...
 
2014-04-28 04:17:13 PM  
c:> a:
a:> uudecode hotchick1.uue
a:> uudecode hotchick2.uue
a:> uudecode hotchick3.uue
a:> uudecode hotchick4.uue
a:> uudecode hotchick5.uue
a:> uudecode hotchick6.uue
a:> combine hotchick1 hotchick2 hotchick3 hotchick4 hotchick5 hotchick6
a:> c:
c:> lview.ext a:\hotchick.jpg
 
2014-04-28 04:18:47 PM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Well, wait...How do we know the floppy isn't being used in conjunction with a program already stored on a hard disk or other permanent storage medium?  The floppy could just be a reference disk for the program at hand!


This.

Or this is just the stuff they trot out for reporters. The real missile infrastructure is hidden in our nation's shopping malls.
 
2014-04-28 04:20:15 PM  

iheartscotch: Meh, I still deal with a couple of original IBM DOS green screens.

/ THEY BELONG IN A MUSEUM


www.cinemablend.com
 
2014-04-28 04:23:16 PM  
Does anyone remember the much larger 107-foot floppy disk?
 
2014-04-28 04:32:50 PM  

special20: [i.imgur.com image 263x63]


My favorite Commodore 64/128 game:

www.orphanedgames.com
 
2014-04-28 04:38:14 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


I came to say this. I'd be a lot more worried if they had cloud technology instead of 8 inch floppies.
 
2014-04-28 04:39:39 PM  

Linux_Yes: What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux. same with the International space station.

and the NSA loves their Open Source snoop tools like Snort, etc.


This is pretty amusing actually...

I had heard, many moons ago, that the military was still using Windows 3.1, because it was old, tested, reliable, and stable.
It made me wonder even back then, why the hell haven't they switched to UNIX?  If they are looking for something that is age tested, I think you can do no better, really.
 
2014-04-28 04:45:13 PM  

MrBallou: TheEdibleSnuggie: Well, wait...How do we know the floppy isn't being used in conjunction with a program already stored on a hard disk or other permanent storage medium?  The floppy could just be a reference disk for the program at hand!

The old ones only held about 1 Mb, so I'm assuming they're used as system keys. It's not that crazy, because it adds to security to use an odd and specific hardware. Another advantage is that would be harder for bad guys to make a copy, real or fake, since the 8" drives are probably extremely rare these days.


Old programs lacking flashy GUIs did not take up a lot of space. I assume their software is written in C or something comparably old. Those floppies may hold entire programs.
 
2014-04-28 04:46:32 PM  

Linux_Yes: What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux. same with the International space station.

and the NSA loves their Open Source snoop tools like Snort, etc.


Fascinating, as I work on the Navy intranet, home to over 400,000 PCs running Windows, and you statement seems to be complete bulls hit.
 
2014-04-28 04:47:31 PM  

kendelrio: Heh. I work with multimillion dollar ROVs. Our OS is still DOS.
/the last thing you need at 10,000 feet deep is the blue screen of death.


Abort/Retry/Fail isn't much better...
 
2014-04-28 04:48:01 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


This. Low tech means safer.
 
2014-04-28 04:55:20 PM  

jst3p: Stratohead: FTFA " launch silo"

WRONG.

a "launch silo" is where you store and launch a missile from.
a launch "capsule" is where the Missileers (or "turnkeys) reside while pulling alerts. if they sat inside the launch "silos" not only would that be counter to the redundancy protocols (things spread out far enough apart that no one strike can cripple our retaliatory capabilities) but it would kill the Missileers once the missile launched.

Wouldn't separating them cause two single points of failure?


no. the missile launch silos are miles apart from each other, scattered all across the us West/Mid-West. In the case of the MinuteMan squadrons...each Launch Capsule controls the launch of up to 10 MinuteMan missiles.
All components are hardened against EMP and theoretical deep enough underground to function if hit.
In reality...probably not... my preference is never to find out how well that shiat works.
 
2014-04-28 04:56:50 PM  
I don't see the problem.
 
2014-04-28 04:57:06 PM  
Can't be hacked.

/think about it
 
2014-04-28 04:57:33 PM  

Destructor: Destructor: What, 100K or something?

Wow. According to Wikipedia, they could store a megabyte. That's "miraculous" by 70's standards.


I just got done reading that myself, with jaw open. Whole machines measuring four feet high and four feet wide storing the same amount as a 3.5" floppy.

But then I reminded myself again that they weren't using graphics, they only had a need to store text data and programs. And that was a lot of space back then!
 
2014-04-28 04:59:59 PM  
Given I am still--as of this year--converting stores running inventory management systems on Z80-based systems to a modern one--there is a lot of old crap out there. That said, the fact that 30+ years later they are still in constant use is a bit of a testament to their longevity.

The systems I'm converting, if rumors are true, have only one living programmer left, and he's been retired for decades.
 
2014-04-28 05:00:16 PM  

bikerbob59: I've got your 8" floppy right here!


Yeah, but my 3.5" microfloppy can store about 50% more data. Further proof that bigger isn't always better.

//and girls tell me it's cute
 
2014-04-28 05:00:45 PM  
partners.nytimes.com
 
2014-04-28 05:07:23 PM  
So that's what a $600B defense budget will buy you?
We need to triple the budget, so we can store data on cds.
 
2014-04-28 05:09:13 PM  
As late as 1992, I worked on mainframe systems for the Navy that used 8" floppies.  Yeah, they had disks, and tapes, and optical drives, and remote terminals.

You know what the 8" floppy was for?  When you booted the system, it loaded its microcode from the floppy.

Flash RAM hadn't been developed to the point it is nowadays, and 'updating firmware' was not a standard practice, especially on Mil-rated mainframes.

Using a floppy was a reasonable way for the vendor to allow the microcode to be easily updated.

(Yes, we had backups - and backups of backups - of the disks.)
 
2014-04-28 05:09:43 PM  

durbnpoisn: Linux_Yes: What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux. same with the International space station.

and the NSA loves their Open Source snoop tools like Snort, etc.

This is pretty amusing actually...

I had heard, many moons ago, that the military was still using Windows 3.1, because it was old, tested, reliable, and stable.
It made me wonder even back then, why the hell haven't they switched to UNIX?  If they are looking for something that is age tested, I think you can do no better, really.


I was at Ft. Lee in the early 2000's when we tested upgrading the Logistic systems from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95. They would still drop back into DOS emulation to run the actual program. The back-end server they connected to ran on Solaris.

I'm sure they have upgraded to Windows 2000 by now.
 
2014-04-28 05:10:12 PM  
Floppies!? I see they've upgraded in the past few years.

Ritzy.
 
2014-04-28 05:10:30 PM  
I have an 8 Inch Floppy, it is floppy at least Part of the Time.
 
2014-04-28 05:14:02 PM  

LesserEvil: Linux_Yes: What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux. same with the International space station.

and the NSA loves their Open Source snoop tools like Snort, etc.

Fascinating, as I work on the Navy intranet, home to over 400,000 PCs running Windows, and you statement seems to be complete bulls hit.



i should have been more specific, dinky.  google Navy Drone+linux and learn something.  the U.S. Army uses more Red Hat Linux than anyone.

and, yes, the International Space Station had to switch to Linux because their windows laptops,etc had picked up viruses.  do the research and learn something.  Google runs all its blades on Linux too.
 
2014-04-28 05:15:13 PM  
Gary-L: Destructor:  What's their backup? Cassette tape?

Magnetic tape is a more reliable and stable backup medium than CD.  Imagine trying to adapt those mainframe launch systems to backup to a RAID setup.


It's called a 'Controller Emulator'.  One of our Navy mainframes had a series of the old 9-track open reel tape drives - and read/write Magneto-Optical drive.  The controller for the M-O emulated a tape controller, so the system 'thought' the M-O drive was just one more tape drive, and was happy as a clam with it.
 
2014-04-28 05:16:34 PM  
EDLIN A:\missilec.bat
*L

1: @echo off
2: cls
3: prompt $p$g
4: path=c:\missile1
5: mc.exe
6: cls
7: echo on
 
2014-04-28 05:17:01 PM  
Anyone who has an 8" floppy has my respect.
 
2014-04-28 05:17:40 PM  

durbnpoisn: Linux_Yes: What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux. same with the International space station.

and the NSA loves their Open Source snoop tools like Snort, etc.

This is pretty amusing actually...

I had heard, many moons ago, that the military was still using Windows 3.1, because it was old, tested, reliable, and stable.
It made me wonder even back then, why the hell haven't they switched to UNIX?  If they are looking for something that is age tested, I think you can do no better, really.



the military as a whole is gradually moving their stuff to Linux for security/reliability reasons (and it saves the government the microsoft license tax).  course, they don't advertise that.
 
2014-04-28 05:18:24 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Anyone who has an 8" floppy has my respect.



i have a hard drive, but not 8 inches long.
 
2014-04-28 05:21:36 PM  

KatjaMouse: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.

Came here to say this. I used to date a military contractor who had to relearn DOS because the military puts some of its most sensitive information on it so it can be hack proof.



assembly is where its at these days....lol
 
2014-04-28 05:25:24 PM  
 
2014-04-28 05:33:30 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-28 05:36:00 PM  
I can respect it. I work in both a windows and iseries environment - and while windows makes me cringe every time I use it, the iseries is predictable, reliable, and simpler. I'd take it over windows any day.

/and I'm not even old enough yet to yell at kids on my lawn
 
2014-04-28 05:42:38 PM  

weltallica: PluckYew:

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Those props seem familiar...

[i.imgur.com image 576x432]


It is paramount that I discover what this machine does!
 
2014-04-28 05:42:39 PM  

skinbubble: special20: [i.imgur.com image 263x63]

My favorite Commodore 64/128 game:

[www.orphanedgames.com image 320x200]


I never played that one - so I now feel a little emptier.
Here is my favorite:
www.gamebox64.com
 
2014-04-28 05:48:09 PM  
It doesn't matter if these systems work.  So long as they fail to "don't launch" everything is good.

They're never going to be used, they don't have to work.
 
2014-04-28 05:48:24 PM  
8"? Yes.

Floppy? No.

Wait, what were we talking about?
 
2014-04-28 05:49:10 PM  
The good news is that today's viruses are to large to fit on that floppy.

(not to mention that the OS would not be to antiquated to run them)
 
2014-04-28 06:07:12 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Gary-L: Destructor:  What's their backup? Cassette tape?

Magnetic tape is a more reliable and stable backup medium than CD.  Imagine trying to adapt those mainframe launch systems to backup to a RAID setup.

It's called a 'Controller Emulator'.  One of our Navy mainframes had a series of the old 9-track open reel tape drives - and read/write Magneto-Optical drive.  The controller for the M-O emulated a tape controller, so the system 'thought' the M-O drive was just one more tape drive, and was happy as a clam with it.


Cut my teeth operating the Honeywell DPS-6000 connected to an old Miltope unit.  Never heard much about Magneto-Optical drives since the early 00s. 

Linux_Yes: KatjaMouse: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.

Came here to say this. I used to date a military contractor who had to relearn DOS because the military puts some of its most sensitive information on it so it can be hack proof.


assembly is where its at these days....lol


Don't laugh.  Assembly is for bad ass programmers (IMHO); however, it used to be they were relegated to a basement writing device drivers.  I always wanted to learn Assembly, and anyone who heard me say that thought I was insane.
 
2014-04-28 06:13:07 PM  

Ivo Shandor: kendelrio: Heh. I work with multimillion dollar ROVs. Our OS is still DOS.
/the last thing you need at 10,000 feet deep is the blue screen of death.

Abort/Retry/Fail isn't much better...


True, but its easy to reboot off of a:/ and at least recover before bad juju happens.
 
2014-04-28 06:18:49 PM  
Their new system upgrade ...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-28 06:24:01 PM  

Stratohead: FTFA " launch silo"

...it would kill the Missileers once the missile launched.


Here's an interesting thought. You are given the authority and the means to launch a nuclear strike. However you also know that the act of launching will immediately result in your own death.
 
2014-04-28 06:25:36 PM  
Yeah, because upgrading and networking everything makes us so much more secure.

Except Assange, Snowden, heartbleed, stuxnet, etc... etc... etc...

Security is one reason to maintain old tech. The other is that these aren't exactly Dell computers you can buy on Amazon. These are EMP hardened purpose built MilSpec machines that are insanely expensive to maintain let alone replace with updated models.
 
2014-04-28 06:30:48 PM  
I'll bet all your lawns are immaculate.
 
2014-04-28 06:46:14 PM  
Where's my hole punch to make them double density?
 
2014-04-28 06:47:08 PM  

Linux_Yes: What is even more horrifying is that they probably still use Windows on some of their equipment.  the Navy has learned the errors in its ways and moved from windows to Linux.


WRONG.  But, oh how I wish you were right....
 
2014-04-28 06:52:41 PM  
It works. Every time.
Absolutely nothing out today can say that. Most of todays tech can't run even a week without issues.
New doesn't mean better. Only an ignorant child would think so.
That's why major companies still use these disks, and these systems.

You use Windows, you're a part-timer. You run a flavor of Unix? Amateur.

/ Come on my lawn if you want.
// but I promise, you will not make it.
 
2014-04-28 06:56:13 PM  

JackieRabbit: What works works. Would we rather have the USAF spend billions of dollars modernizing a launch control system that works exactly as designed when there is no compelling reason to? The floppies are used because they are cheap, easily destroyed and hard to conceal. They probably contain data required to complete a launch sequence and the data change every few hours. When I was in SAC in the 1970s, we had access codes and pass phrases that changed every four hours. These were delivered word-of-mouth and you had to know the previous values in order to use the new ones.

CBS got a peek and nothing more. They weren't shown how the system really works. Actually, only the final steps in a missile launch happen at the silo. The officers manning them could never launch without critical systems being enabled from elsewhere.


Wasn't there just a story about how, until the 70's, the "secure nukes" thing was a big lie and just about anyone could launch a missile without authorization? I wonder if this was the upgrade or just a bandaid...
 
2014-04-28 07:09:41 PM  

dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.


Yup. Added in DOS 2.0.
http://www.os2museum.com/wp/?page_id=630
 
2014-04-28 07:22:28 PM  

Tony_Pepperoni: Their new system upgrade ...

[i.imgur.com image 800x564]


The only problem with that upgrade is when you accidentally switch your launch code cassette with that totally rad mix tape that Stevens over in bio-warfare gave you the other day.
img.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-28 07:32:20 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.

[i1214.photobucket.com image 250x333]

Approves.


Good! You got it in early.
 
2014-04-28 07:35:46 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Yeah, because upgrading and networking everything makes us so much more secure.

Except Assange, Snowden, heartbleed, stuxnet, etc... etc... etc...


Bradley Manning stole everything via a CD-RW and sneakernet, Snowden used flash drives, and stuxnet spreads via sneaker net and infected flash drives. The big thing that all three of these had in common was that even though the network itself was secure, the network security could be circumvented via physical access. In the case of Snowden, it was a case of the admins on the network having too much power and too little oversight. Again, the weakest link in computer security being the people.
 
2014-04-28 07:40:49 PM  

WelldeadLink: dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.

Yup. Added in DOS 2.0.
http://www.os2museum.com/wp/?page_id=630


Apple ProDos had it in 1.0 I think
 
2014-04-28 07:41:24 PM  
Not sure when CPM got it
 
2014-04-28 07:48:27 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


That would have been my first-guess reason that it's never been changed.
 
2014-04-28 07:56:46 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-28 08:00:37 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Nope, it's on a floppy, so:

A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Came here to say this.

Also - 8 inch floppies???  HOLY CRAP!  I haven!t seen one of those in decades!


I threw one away last week.
 
2014-04-28 08:20:01 PM  

flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com


To split an even finer hair, the /users/ directory (name) was introduced in vista (2007)

/also, why would it be on the A:\ drive? :)
 
2014-04-28 08:51:02 PM  

AirForceVet: This old technology possesses one advantage mentioned during 60 Minutes last night. It's cyber-secure according to tests as it's a closed system, independent from Internet access.


Yeah, but if I jingle a small magnet enough times while I walk past its storage cabinet, no missile, no fry.
 
2014-04-28 08:53:00 PM  
I wonder if they still rent their phones from AT&T.
 
2014-04-28 09:10:12 PM  

JudgeMuttonChops: flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com

To split an even finer hair, the /users/ directory (name) was introduced in vista (2007)

/also, why would it be on the A:\ drive? :)


different users directory there bucko
 
2014-04-28 09:21:08 PM  
And you thought your office was cheap because they were still using Windows XP.
 
2014-04-28 09:23:51 PM  
How quickly we forget...

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-28 09:25:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Mr. Breeze: Yeah, because upgrading and networking everything makes us so much more secure.

Except Assange, Snowden, heartbleed, stuxnet, etc... etc... etc...

Bradley Manning stole everything via a CD-RW and sneakernet, Snowden used flash drives, and stuxnet spreads via sneaker net and infected flash drives. The big thing that all three of these had in common was that even though the network itself was secure, the network security could be circumvented via physical access. In the case of Snowden, it was a case of the admins on the network having too much power and too little oversight. Again, the weakest link in computer security being the people.


Yup. And this will be why Skynet does away with humans. The thinking meat ends up thinking wrong.
 
2014-04-28 09:38:59 PM  
jst3p: vudukungfu: dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.

I have thousands of pirated games on the 5 inch discs.
I have an "Apple II" that was built from parts in a junkyard to play them on.
I can also load windows 2 on the system.

Worth the 12 minutes: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEHHB6rnMI


I hate you for showing me that. If you edit that down, it could be the next rick roll.  It was going fine until the singing started, then my brain melted, and I had to shut it off.
 
2014-04-28 09:56:48 PM  
This thread pretty much turned into the pile of wires and cigarette smoke stained monitor cases I knew it was going to.
 
2014-04-28 10:18:02 PM  
I really don't want a more effective, state-of-the-art way to eliminate the human race on planet Earth.  Last thing I need is some teenager hacking into the system and starting WW3 because he thought he was playing a game.

Or a sentient computer system wanting to wipe out humanity.

Or someone just pushing the wrong button.

Or a mouse chewing through a wire...
 
2014-04-28 10:33:14 PM  

noblewolf: jst3p: vudukungfu: dittybopper: WelldeadLink: 1. MS-DOS didn't have directories until they copied the feature from Unix.

Actually, I distinctly remember MS-DOS (and TRS-DOS, it's clone) having directories, and I got into it pretty farkin' early, so it must have been MS-DOS 1.0 or something.

I have thousands of pirated games on the 5 inch discs.
I have an "Apple II" that was built from parts in a junkyard to play them on.
I can also load windows 2 on the system.

Worth the 12 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEHHB6rnMI

I hate you for showing me that. If you edit that down, it could be the next rick roll.  It was going fine until the singing started, then my brain melted, and I had to shut it off.


That video gives me the weirdest boner.
 
2014-04-28 10:38:09 PM  

weltallica: PluckYew:

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Those props seem familiar...

[i.imgur.com image 576x432]


Many more instances of "The Prop".
 
2014-04-28 10:38:59 PM  

buckler: weltallica: PluckYew:

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Those props seem familiar...

[i.imgur.com image 576x432]

Many more instances of "The Prop".


D.oh. Wrong link. Try Here.
 
2014-04-28 11:06:12 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I wonder if they still rent their phones from AT&T.


Well they have to. the analog PBX they're attached to would be worthless without the phones. And modern phones don't connect via 25pin amphenols.
 
2014-04-28 11:37:43 PM  
Meh, aren't spacecraft still using 80386's with 64KB RAM or some such.
 
2014-04-29 12:06:33 AM  
I remember back in the late 70s, we'd crush up match heads, then apply clear nail polish on the exposed area of a floppy, then sprinkle crushed match heads on the floppy. After it dries, place the floppy in a PC. then when they turn on the computer, the friction from the floppy spinning around normally causes the floppy to ignite.
Fun in the days before terrorists.
 
2014-04-29 12:40:40 AM  

real_headhoncho: really don't want a more effective, state-of-the-art way to eliminate the human race on planet Earth.  Last thing I need is some teenager hacking into the system and starting WW3 because he thought he was playing a game.


Well that's why it's a closed system not attached to the internet.  That and it kept trying to go to porn sites.
 
2014-04-29 01:33:51 AM  

minuslars: Meh, aren't spacecraft still using 80386's with 64KB RAM or some such.


It's a little better now for the high end stuff. Curiosity is running a RAD750, which is a radiation-hardened PPC750 that maxes out at 200 MHz, plus 256 MB of RAM, giving the rover roughly the computing horsepower of a nicely outfitted 1998 vintage iMac.
 
2014-04-29 01:45:49 AM  

kvinesknows: JudgeMuttonChops: flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com

To split an even finer hair, the /users/ directory (name) was introduced in vista (2007)

/also, why would it be on the A:\ drive? :)

different users directory there bucko


The important thing was that you found a way to feel superior. Glad I could help.
 
2014-04-29 08:06:56 AM  

JudgeMuttonChops: kvinesknows: JudgeMuttonChops: flucto: dittybopper: A:\ users\ USAF\AFSPC\ launch\ missilecmnd.exe

Nope. Too many chars in the file name. Try msslcmd.com

To split an even finer hair, the /users/ directory (name) was introduced in vista (2007)

/also, why would it be on the A:\ drive? :)

different users directory there bucko

The important thing was that you found a way to feel superior. Glad I could help.


ahh soo.. Im trying to feel superior... whereas you were just splitting hairs.  awesome.  glad your not an self righteous asshole or anything
 
2014-04-29 08:30:26 AM  

UberDave: They upgraded last year by notching the other side of the disk giving them double the capacity.  The project costs $293,093,398.34.


That really was a strange system - we all doubled our disk's advertised capacity with a simple notch.
 
2014-04-29 09:52:38 AM  

minuslars: Meh, aren't spacecraft still using 80386's with 64KB RAM or some such.


You know how I know you were born after 1984? ;-)

/I think you're thinking 6502's and z80's.
//my air of smugness is to hide my realization that I... am... getting... old.
 
2014-04-29 10:36:21 AM  
meh...  I used a 5 inch floppy drive on windows 7...  Getting an 8 inch to run, I dont know... but it might be possible.   Windows just had the drivers ready to go, was beautiful.
 
2014-04-29 11:30:52 AM  

Destructor: I don't believe it. I thought their fire had gone out of the Universe. But there it is. An 8" floppy disk.

Where do you buy new 8" floppy disks?


Radio Shack
 
2014-04-29 11:31:54 AM  

Langdon_777: UberDave: They upgraded last year by notching the other side of the disk giving them double the capacity.  The project costs $293,093,398.34.

That really was a strange system - we all doubled our disk's advertised capacity with a simple notch.


I tried notching my first CD-RW but it didn't work.
 
2014-04-29 12:12:06 PM  

andyofne: Langdon_777: UberDave: They upgraded last year by notching the other side of the disk giving them double the capacity.  The project costs $293,093,398.34.

That really was a strange system - we all doubled our disk's advertised capacity with a simple notch.

I tried notching my first CD-RW but it didn't work.


thats because for disks you dont notch the actual disk.. but the cover around the disk. You need to pull out the entire disk drive and put a notch right through the side of it.

\might not be the best idea.. but the logic is sound
 
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