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2014-04-28 01:20:18 PM  
We'd need an obvious tag the size of California for this.
 
2014-04-28 01:47:46 PM  
first of all, it's been two decades, and second of all, he was right.
 
2014-04-28 01:48:48 PM  
Okay, first off... 332 pages does not qualify as a "memo"
 
2014-04-28 02:06:50 PM  
Only Fox would make anyone defend reality
 
2014-04-28 02:07:22 PM  
Alright, first thing, this is the third thing listed as the first thing.
 
2014-04-28 02:24:11 PM  
Today, thanks to this opt in/opt out dynamic, ever-larger segments of the population can believe in completely ungrounded conspiracy theories-such as that President Obama was not born in the United States-despite a massive trove of assiduously documented evidence to the contrary.

Kind of ironic they bring that nugget up. Although it is clearly a pet theory of right-wing conspiracy nuts now, I seem to recall first reading about it popping up on the website "Hillaryis44" - a pro-Hillary Clinton website - back during the Democratic Primaries in late 2007 and early 2008. I think it was an article on DailyKos, probably linked here, and the fellows at Kos were questioning openly whether the "Hillaryis44" crowd was becoming unhinged. And they were. But, that theory obviously survived the flameout of Hillary's campaign and found a new loving home.
 
2014-04-28 02:30:37 PM  

edmo: Only Fox would make anyone defend reality


i don't know.  I saw some doozies over the weekend...
 
2014-04-28 02:47:44 PM  
Fark off, subby. If the Democrats want to nominate a Republican in 2016, that is their right.
 
2014-04-28 02:50:55 PM  

James!: Alright, first thing, this is the third thing listed as the first thing.


Alright, first thing, this is the Weeners listing as the first thing that this is the third thing listed as the first thing.
 
2014-04-28 02:54:25 PM  

Nabb1: Today, thanks to this opt in/opt out dynamic, ever-larger segments of the population can believe in completely ungrounded conspiracy theories-such as that President Obama was not born in the United States-despite a massive trove of assiduously documented evidence to the contrary.

Kind of ironic they bring that nugget up. Although it is clearly a pet theory of right-wing conspiracy nuts now, I seem to recall first reading about it popping up on the website "Hillaryis44" - a pro-Hillary Clinton website - back during the Democratic Primaries in late 2007 and early 2008. I think it was an article on DailyKos, probably linked here, and the fellows at Kos were questioning openly whether the "Hillaryis44" crowd was becoming unhinged. And they were. But, that theory obviously survived the flameout of Hillary's campaign and found a new loving home.


Hillaryis44 was decidedly republican within a couple weeks of the primary closing.
 
2014-04-28 02:55:19 PM  

Nabb1: Today, thanks to this opt in/opt out dynamic, ever-larger segments of the population can believe in completely ungrounded conspiracy theories-such as that President Obama was not born in the United States-despite a massive trove of assiduously documented evidence to the contrary.

Kind of ironic they bring that nugget up. Although it is clearly a pet theory of right-wing conspiracy nuts now, I seem to recall first reading about it popping up on the website "Hillaryis44" - a pro-Hillary Clinton website - back during the Democratic Primaries in late 2007 and early 2008. I think it was an article on DailyKos, probably linked here, and the fellows at Kos were questioning openly whether the "Hillaryis44" crowd was becoming unhinged. And they were. But, that theory obviously survived the flameout of Hillary's campaign and found a new loving home.


Actually, it started even earlier than that as a Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw:  email.  But you are correct - those silly biatches over at Hillaryis44 were the ones who brought it up.  It didn't take off until the Obama campaign decided to address it, though, which many of us here said was stupid even at the time.  And then the GOP jumped on it in the General, and now...  that poor chicken.
 
2014-04-28 02:55:34 PM  
Is he selling a book?  Hmmm.....the timing.  We should ask questions.


/It was just dumb luck that the all rumors were true.  How did the VRWC get the name name of the that woman Clinton didn't have sexual relations with?  Hulluva guess.
 
2014-04-28 02:56:43 PM  
Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal size of the Obvious tag. Based on this article, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
 
2014-04-28 02:58:39 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Actually, it started even earlier than that as a Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw:  email.


Two thousand goddamn four, thanks to GOP Senate candidate Andy Martin.
 
2014-04-28 03:00:38 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Benevolent Misanthrope: Actually, it started even earlier than that as a Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw:  email.

Two thousand goddamn four, thanks to GOP Senate candidate Andy Martin.


This, I did not know.
 
2014-04-28 03:02:53 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Nabb1: Today, thanks to this opt in/opt out dynamic, ever-larger segments of the population can believe in completely ungrounded conspiracy theories-such as that President Obama was not born in the United States-despite a massive trove of assiduously documented evidence to the contrary.

Kind of ironic they bring that nugget up. Although it is clearly a pet theory of right-wing conspiracy nuts now, I seem to recall first reading about it popping up on the website "Hillaryis44" - a pro-Hillary Clinton website - back during the Democratic Primaries in late 2007 and early 2008. I think it was an article on DailyKos, probably linked here, and the fellows at Kos were questioning openly whether the "Hillaryis44" crowd was becoming unhinged. And they were. But, that theory obviously survived the flameout of Hillary's campaign and found a new loving home.

Actually, it started even earlier than that as a Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw:  email.  But you are correct - those silly biatches over at Hillaryis44 were the ones who brought it up.  It didn't take off until the Obama campaign decided to address it, though, which many of us here said was stupid even at the time.  And then the GOP jumped on it in the General, and now...  that poor chicken.


To his credit, McCain tried to dismiss it as an issue, but Palin's mouth-forthing supporters couldn't stop pushing it. What a stupid issue to push. I think conspiracy theories are a lot of fun, but you aren't going to win any elections with that kind of thing.
 
2014-04-28 03:04:24 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: This, I did not know.


Link
 
2014-04-28 03:05:30 PM  
hillaryis44 was pure gold.
 
2014-04-28 03:09:48 PM  
I generally have little issue with "just asking questions," even if they are profoundly misguided and disingenuous.

I think it's moreso the "ignore any and all answers" and "continue asking that same question ad nauseam, as if you have never received an answer" parts that I actually have a problem with.
 
2014-04-28 03:09:56 PM  

Biff_Steel: hillaryis44 was pure gold.



I just checked... it still is.
 
2014-04-28 03:13:56 PM  

Blues_X: Biff_Steel: hillaryis44 was pure gold.


I just checked... it still is.


I wouldn't dare, for fear I might accidentally run into that atrocious "Hillary for You and Me" song again.

It's really my only reservation to seeing her run in 2016. It must never be seen again. Never.
 
2014-04-28 03:16:49 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Benevolent Misanthrope: Actually, it started even earlier than that as a Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw:  email.

Two thousand goddamn four, thanks to GOP Senate candidate Andy Martin.


Holy crap, people have heard of him?

I was following him for awhile and it quickly became apparent he has no staff or supporters, he's just a whacko with way too much time on his hands, churning out delusional, self-aggrandizing press releases.
 
2014-04-28 03:17:21 PM  

Blues_X: Biff_Steel: hillaryis44 was pure gold.


I just checked... it still is.


Shouldn't they change that to "hillaryis4445"?
 
2014-04-28 03:18:09 PM  

Donnchadha: Okay, first off... 332 pages does not qualify as a "memo"


OK, I was wondering about this myself...
 
2014-04-28 03:26:20 PM  

GoodDoctorB: Blues_X: Biff_Steel: hillaryis44 was pure gold.


I just checked... it still is.

I wouldn't dare, for fear I might accidentally run into that atrocious "Hillary for You and Me" song again.

It's really my only reservation to seeing her run in 2016. It must never be seen again. Never.


I especially liked her "let's have a Conversation" banner that the daily show ridiculed
 
2014-04-28 03:30:18 PM  

DeltaPunch: James!: Alright, first thing, this is the third thing listed as the first thing.

Alright, first thing, this is the Weeners listing as the first thing that this is the third thing listed as the first thing.


Are you putting the thing on top of the thing?

Go outside, turn around three times and spit. curse.
 
2014-04-28 03:31:07 PM  

FlashHarry: first of all, it's been two decades, and second of all, he was right.


Way ahead of the curve.
 
2014-04-28 03:36:23 PM  

edmo: Only Fox would make anyone defend reality


It contradicts their reality so they get confused
 
2014-04-28 03:51:00 PM  

clambam: Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal size of the Obvious tag. Based on this article, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.


That's a big Twinkie.
 
2014-04-28 03:54:36 PM  

Nabb1: Today, thanks to this opt in/opt out dynamic, ever-larger segments of the population can believe in completely ungrounded conspiracy theories-such as that President Obama was not born in the United States-despite a massive trove of assiduously documented evidence to the contrary.

Kind of ironic they bring that nugget up. Although it is clearly a pet theory of right-wing conspiracy nuts now, I seem to recall first reading about it popping up on the website "Hillaryis44" - a pro-Hillary Clinton website - back during the Democratic Primaries in late 2007 and early 2008. I think it was an article on DailyKos, probably linked here, and the fellows at Kos were questioning openly whether the "Hillaryis44" crowd was becoming unhinged. And they were. But, that theory obviously survived the flameout of Hillary's campaign and found a new loving home.


On the whole Obama citizenship conspiracy theory, I was always having to ask people, why would it matter to you? I never understood the need (other than the constitutional language) for a president to be a natural born citizen. The first several presidents were originally citizens of other countries 'until the adoption of the constitution'

The constitutional technicallity question I would like to ask anybody familliar would be: Would the residents of new state entering the union automatically become natural citizens upon their residents ratifying the constitution? I understand that Hawaii was a US protectorate before statehood, but if it weren't, wouldn't all those citizens have automatically become natural born as well?

Hawaii was only granted statehood two years before President Obama's birth. That in itself is pretty cool. It was a brand new state, and two years later saw the birth of a future president.
 
2014-04-28 03:54:43 PM  
Has Glenn beck answered those questions about 1990 and that girl being raped?

JAQ
 
2014-04-28 03:58:23 PM  
Are you telling me a person with a positive, honest, family image could have their supposed misdealings and lies covered up by a mainstream press and this internet thing might expose the truth behind a system that protects politicians that the media owners want in office?


NO WAY MAN!  JUST NO WAY!  Take those conspiracy theories back to your Montana bunker...


www.wnd.com
 
2014-04-28 03:58:33 PM  

theteacher: Has Glenn beck answered those questions about 1990 and that girl being raped?

JAQ


I was expecting this to appear much much earlier in the thread.
 
2014-04-28 04:01:24 PM  

tbeatty: Is he selling a book?  Hmmm.....the timing.  We should ask questions.


/It was just dumb luck that the all rumors were true.  How did the VRWC get the name name of the that woman Clinton didn't have sexual relations with?  Hulluva guess.


Drudge broke the Lewisky story, so Vince Foster really WAS murdered by the Clintons! Check-mate, libs!!!
 
2014-04-28 04:02:23 PM  

clambam: Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal size of the Obvious tag. Based on this article, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.


You're gonna need a bigger boat.
 
2014-04-28 04:11:00 PM  
Didn't Hillary and her 2008 team try that very tactic with the first birth certificate smear?
 
2014-04-28 04:17:46 PM  

CptnSpldng: DeltaPunch: James!: Alright, first thing, this is the third thing listed as the first thing.

Alright, first thing, this is the Weeners listing as the first thing that this is the third thing listed as the first thing.

Are you putting the thing on top of the thing?

Go outside, turn around three times and spit. curse.


37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-28 04:18:56 PM  

Calamityfox: Are you telling me a person with a positive, honest, family image could have their supposed misdealings and lies covered up by a mainstream press and this internet thing might expose the truth behind a system that protects politicians that the media owners want in office?


NO WAY MAN!  JUST NO WAY!  Take those conspiracy theories back to your Montana bunker...


[www.wnd.com image 529x541]


Yes, and it's a shame that scumbags like John Edwards and David Vitter still hold office to this day.....
 
2014-04-28 04:26:39 PM  

DeltaPunch: CptnSpldng: DeltaPunch: James!: Alright, first thing, this is the third thing listed as the first thing.

Alright, first thing, this is the Weeners listing as the first thing that this is the third thing listed as the first thing.

Are you putting the thing on top of the thing?

Go outside, turn around three times and spit. curse.

[37.media.tumblr.com image 500x374]


img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-28 04:28:52 PM  

edmo: Only Fox would make anyone defend reality


Don't physicists and philosophers sometimes question reality? Didn't Einstein question "reality" when he postulated that light bends?

/ don't we all question reality in one way or another; and ask others to defend their understanding of reality?
 
2014-04-28 04:30:42 PM  
Hillaryis44 was never a legitimate political site, it was more of an "Operation Chaos" facade.  The idea behind it was to foment dissention within the Democratic ranks so that McCain would be elected under the pretense that this would open the way for Hillary in 2012.  The site founder is a former Perot-ista and if you read articles about their membership a lot of them went Tea Party.
 
2014-04-28 04:40:11 PM  
All I remember about Hilaryis44 was "cheesecake after losing three pounds from my butt" lady.

And because of the that thing posts here, I have Lauryn Hill's "Doo-wop (That thing)" stuck in my head.
 
2014-04-28 05:39:19 PM  

Calamityfox: Are you telling me a person with a positive, honest, family image could have their supposed misdealings and lies covered up by a mainstream press and this internet thing might expose the truth behind a system that protects politicians that the media owners want in office?


NO WAY MAN!  JUST NO WAY!  Take those conspiracy theories back to your Montana bunker...


[www.wnd.com image 529x541]


Oh you...

This looks a lot like a social experiment where you post a politically-biased picture or say something controversial and then watch people who think they are intellectually superior react to it by hurling insults and flawed logic .

You're quite the little scamp, aren't you?


So happy that trolls aren't tolerated on FARK
 
2014-04-28 06:49:19 PM  

John the Magnificent: So happy that trolls aren't tolerated on FARK


Unless someone informs the Powers That Be it usually doesn't get noticed.  Not like a decade ago where a couple of people could track 99% of the comments.
 
2014-04-28 07:23:32 PM  

John the Magnificent: Calamityfox: Are you telling me a person with a positive, honest, family image could have their supposed misdealings and lies covered up by a mainstream press and this internet thing might expose the truth behind a system that protects politicians that the media owners want in office?


NO WAY MAN!  JUST NO WAY!  Take those conspiracy theories back to your Montana bunker...


[www.wnd.com image 529x541]

Oh you...

This looks a lot like a social experiment where you post a politically-biased picture or say something controversial and then watch people who think they are intellectually superior react to it by hurling insults and flawed logic .

You're quite the little scamp, aren't you?


So happy that trolls aren't tolerated on FARK


nawww This one has a good point to it.    Somethings are great until your own political beliefs are compromised.. am I right?
 
2014-04-28 08:05:00 PM  
Calamityfox: John the Magnificent: Calamityfox: Are you telling me a person with a positive, honest, family image could have their supposed misdealings and lies covered up by a mainstream press and this internet thing might expose the truth behind a system that protects politicians that the media owners want in office?


NO WAY MAN!  JUST NO WAY!  Take those conspiracy theories back to your Montana bunker...


[www.wnd.com image 529x541]

Oh you...

This looks a lot like a social experiment where you post a politically-biased picture or say something controversial and then watch people who think they are intellectually superior react to it by hurling insults and flawed logic .

You're quite the little scamp, aren't you?


So happy that trolls aren't tolerated on FARK

nawww This one has a good point to it.    Somethings are great until your own political beliefs are compromised
words come back and bite you in the ass.. am I right?

FTFY
 
2014-04-28 08:51:29 PM  

Calamityfox: John Edwards


*drink*

Seriously, no one but butthurt Republicans keep bringing him up. We've already kicked him to the curb. Yes I know you think otherwise. Hence the obvious trollfoolery.
 
2014-04-29 12:41:42 AM  
My favorite internet-rumor-mongering conspiracy theory from back then was when that guy Drudge was claiming Clinton was farking a fat 20 year old subordinate employee right there in the Oval Office while he was on the phone with Congressmen and while foreign dignitaries were waiting in the Rose Garden and that the national news media was aware of this and had spiked the story.

... and then it turned out he wasn't farking her in the Oval Office; it was the secretarial office adjacent to the Oval Office!

Silly conspiracy theory!
 
2014-04-29 01:22:21 AM  

Calamityfox: At least in most threads I'll tell people I was trolling, so I guess I got that going for me.

 
2014-04-29 03:58:56 AM  

theknuckler_33: tbeatty: Is he selling a book?  Hmmm.....the timing.  We should ask questions.


/It was just dumb luck that the all rumors were true.  How did the VRWC get the name name of the that woman Clinton didn't have sexual relations with?  Hulluva guess.

Drudge broke the Lewisky story, so Vince Foster really WAS murdered by the Clintons! Check-mate, libs!!!


Nahhh, but that was a sweet land deal.  None for you though.  And Clintons are very rich after donating all their profits to charity.
 
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