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2014-04-28 04:46:59 PM  
Superjew:
If you don't read them because you're afraid there's a possibility that they won't get ended, then you are depriving yourself of at least 5 fantastic reads.

Two fantastic reads. Two good reads. One mediocre read.
 
2014-04-28 04:50:31 PM  

bhcompy: error 303: Neat. Thanks. I'll make that my next big read. I had a hard time with the first 200 pages or so of Tad William's Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn books, but once it got going it became maybe my favorite fantasy series ever, so I don't mind a little confusing slog to start out with if the payoff is worth it.

Give it at least the first two books.  If you can't hang after the second book(which is one of the best in the series), then it's probably not going to work out.

nocturnal001: Well said. Book 1 had me wondering what I was doing until halfway through. The Chain of Dogs was some of the most compelling stuff I've read. I absolutely hated the Edur vs Letheri war until about 2/3 through then I wound up really enjoying it.

The Chain of Dogs is one of my favorite sequences in any book I've red.

And the Edur/Letherii war was just weird because it was a whole new world 5 books in.  Tehol Beddict is worth the price of admission, though, and without the war we wouldn't have Beak


OK. I'll be that guy. Chain of Dogs and the Night of Knives sequence with Kalaam were great, but the rest of the Malazan books felt like a waste of time to me. There was no payoff to the story with 90% of the previous books becoming meaningless with the ending with the Crippled God.


As to ASoFaI, I read through Feast and gave it up. I have no confidence that GRRM knows how to get to any ending for the series. He gave an ending to the HBO people but has no clue how to get there with the novels.
 
2014-04-28 04:52:03 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Enlightened Liberal: I wish HBO's makeup artists/costume designers came up with something better than Ice Darth Maul for the Night's King.

It was either Darth Maul or the Lich King from Lord of the Rings. Which would you have preferred?


Lich King please.
 
2014-04-28 04:53:48 PM  

bborchar: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Over 300 rangers went out and got slaughtered at Fist of the First Men and/or at the mutiny at Craster's Keep

And not one of them were captured for information.

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

The white walkers don't take prisoners alive and outside of Jon, Sam and those 2 that showed up last week; anyone still alive from that group of 300+ is hanging out at Craster's

Hence why Jon going to kill them

Sometimes I don't know why I bother.

Okay, so...let's assume for no real reason that no Night's Watch rangers have been taken prisoner by any of Mance's raiders in the past five years or so. Mance's raiders just suck that badly at this whole "gathering information" thing.

So...yeah...300 Crows come up north and this is a prime opportunity for Mance to grab two or three and get information out of them. But, again, Mance's raiders suck at this thing so in their lust for literally "eating Crow," they kill all of them except for a few that make it back to Craster's. And Jon Snow. Who they capture and one other guy, and Jon Snow kills the one other guy. The one other guy that they could corroborate information out of to verify that neither one was lying.

That seem pretty plausible to you?

Here's the difference:

These guys are mutineers.  They would easily betray the Night's Watch as they have nothing left to lose, especially if they were to be tortured.

Also, it's already established that Jon has an ulterior motive in wanting to find Bran if he can.  If Slynt and Thorne weren't so eager in trying to get rid of Snow, they would never have let him go.


Wait a minute! Did Sam tell Jon about his brother? (Haven't watched this episode yet, read books)

In the books Sam doesn't because he promised Bran he wouldn't, I believe it's the same in the show as well unless Sam spilled the beans last night...

Now that is a change I don't like,
 
2014-04-28 04:56:13 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jews for Hitler: I missed the last two episodes. Has Dumbledore been killed off yet?

Yep. He was strangled by Gandolf.

Oops! Spoilers!


Strangled by Gandolf's dick maybe.
 
2014-04-28 04:56:23 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: bhcompy: nocturnal001: No, I'm not done. Book 7 right now.

Also, book 7 is my favorite to reread.  Without spoiling anything(all separate items): Beak, the Drum, and Hood-damned demon farmers.  So much win

/also Shurq Elalle

I'm currently on Toll the Hounds and book 7 was AWESOME.

If Beaks story line doesn't make you cry like a biatch, you're so dead inside I don't know why you keep on living.


Excellent, looks like I have some good stuff ahead.
 
2014-04-28 04:57:44 PM  

ShadowKamui: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Over 300 rangers went out and got slaughtered at Fist of the First Men and/or at the mutiny at Craster's Keep

And not one of them were captured for information.

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

The white walkers don't take prisoners alive and outside of Jon, Sam and those 2 that showed up last week; anyone still alive from that group of 300+ is hanging out at Craster's

Hence why Jon going to kill them

Sometimes I don't know why I bother.

Okay, so...let's assume for no real reason that no Night's Watch rangers have been taken prisoner by any of Mance's raiders in the past five years or so. Mance's raiders just suck that badly at this whole "gathering information" thing.

So...yeah...300 Crows come up north and this is a prime opportunity for Mance to grab two or three and get information out of them. But, again, Mance's raiders suck at this thing so in their lust for literally "eating Crow," they kill all of them except for a few that make it back to Craster's. And Jon Snow. Who they capture and one other guy, and Jon Snow kills the one other guy. The one other guy that they could corroborate information out of to verify that neither one was lying.

That seem pretty plausible to you?

The Wildlings are south west of the Fist and treat that whole area as zombie infested no mans lands, they would never run into the Castle Black rangers.  Mance's whole army is hiding in the Frostfangs which means that any crows they would encounter would be from the Shadow Tower (like Halfhand's group).  The Shadow Tower folks really don't have that much detail on the daily happenings at Castle Black, and definitely don't know that pretty much every veteran at Castle Black is now dead.

Worst case a Shadow Tower crow would say Jon's exaggerating and its more like 500-600 rather than over a 1000 (assuming they could break a loyal crow).  Mances army isn't that good (just a lot of them) and they're attacking the Shadow Tower, Castl ...


I never understood why he didn't just send a bunch more people to scale the wall and hold the top while the other raiding parties try to take Castle Black. All the defense mounted by the NW are at the top of the wall. If they can't defeat the Castle Black garrison, they can at least prevent the nights watch from destroying the siege equipment Mance wants to use to assault the gates.
 
2014-04-28 04:59:04 PM  

commisioner: JolobinSmokin: So have Tavi gotten control of his fury's yet?

I haven't watched this season.

i1.ytimg.com

I get that reference




Gotta catch'em all!
 
2014-04-28 04:59:04 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Ow! That was my feelings!: Jews for Hitler: I missed the last two episodes. Has Dumbledore been killed off yet?

Yep. He was strangled by Gandolf.

Oops! Spoilers!

Strangled by Gandolf's dick maybe.


Heh, now. There will be a hockey thread shortly for your hate to flow through...
 
2014-04-28 05:02:45 PM  
DeathByGeekSquad:
WoT seems to get off track, but by the end of the series you'll go, "OOOOOOH" and realize that it was necessary.  It's not graceful, but it's necessary.

No. Just no. There is no farking way that many books where damn near nothing happened were necessary. book 6 or 7 through book 11 could have easily been 1 to 2 books.
 
2014-04-28 05:02:59 PM  
redmid17: .....
I never understood why he didn't just send a bunch more people to scale the wall and hold the top while the other raiding parties try to take Castle Black. All the defense mounted by the NW are at the top of the wall. If they can't defeat the Castle Black garrison, they can at least prevent the nights watch from destroying the siege equipment Mance wants to use to assault the gates.

Mance is a terrible commander, they should have just busted down the gates to the Night Fort, or was that a "hidden" gate?
 
2014-04-28 05:05:04 PM  

shortymac: bborchar: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Over 300 rangers went out and got slaughtered at Fist of the First Men and/or at the mutiny at Craster's Keep

And not one of them were captured for information.

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

The white walkers don't take prisoners alive and outside of Jon, Sam and those 2 that showed up last week; anyone still alive from that group of 300+ is hanging out at Craster's

Hence why Jon going to kill them

Sometimes I don't know why I bother.

Okay, so...let's assume for no real reason that no Night's Watch rangers have been taken prisoner by any of Mance's raiders in the past five years or so. Mance's raiders just suck that badly at this whole "gathering information" thing.

So...yeah...300 Crows come up north and this is a prime opportunity for Mance to grab two or three and get information out of them. But, again, Mance's raiders suck at this thing so in their lust for literally "eating Crow," they kill all of them except for a few that make it back to Craster's. And Jon Snow. Who they capture and one other guy, and Jon Snow kills the one other guy. The one other guy that they could corroborate information out of to verify that neither one was lying.

That seem pretty plausible to you?

Here's the difference:

These guys are mutineers.  They would easily betray the Night's Watch as they have nothing left to lose, especially if they were to be tortured.

Also, it's already established that Jon has an ulterior motive in wanting to find Bran if he can.  If Slynt and Thorne weren't so eager in trying to get rid of Snow, they would never have let him go.

Wait a minute! Did Sam tell Jon about his brother? (Haven't watched this episode yet, read books)

In the books Sam doesn't because he promised Bran he wouldn't, I believe it's the same in the show as well unless Sam spilled the beans last night...

Now that is a change I don't like,


In the show, Sam never makes a promise to Bran that he won't tell Jon.  He just asks him to let them go.  We find out that Sam told Jon about Bran while Jon was on his sickbed, and Jon says that when he found out, he wanted to heal faster so that he could go after him (before he came to his senses about it).  It makes sense in this version.  Really, I never thought it made sense for Sam to keep it from Jon in the book version, either, promise or no promise.  I don't know what the ripple effect will be at this point, but it's definitely made it interesting.
 
2014-04-28 05:05:54 PM  

shortymac: bborchar: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Over 300 rangers went out and got slaughtered at Fist of the First Men and/or at the mutiny at Craster's Keep

And not one of them were captured for information.

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

The white walkers don't take prisoners alive and outside of Jon, Sam and those 2 that showed up last week; anyone still alive from that group of 300+ is hanging out at Craster's

Hence why Jon going to kill them

Sometimes I don't know why I bother.

Okay, so...let's assume for no real reason that no Night's Watch rangers have been taken prisoner by any of Mance's raiders in the past five years or so. Mance's raiders just suck that badly at this whole "gathering information" thing.

So...yeah...300 Crows come up north and this is a prime opportunity for Mance to grab two or three and get information out of them. But, again, Mance's raiders suck at this thing so in their lust for literally "eating Crow," they kill all of them except for a few that make it back to Craster's. And Jon Snow. Who they capture and one other guy, and Jon Snow kills the one other guy. The one other guy that they could corroborate information out of to verify that neither one was lying.

That seem pretty plausible to you?

Here's the difference:

These guys are mutineers.  They would easily betray the Night's Watch as they have nothing left to lose, especially if they were to be tortured.

Also, it's already established that Jon has an ulterior motive in wanting to find Bran if he can.  If Slynt and Thorne weren't so eager in trying to get rid of Snow, they would never have let him go.

Wait a minute! Did Sam tell Jon about his brother? (Haven't watched this episode yet, read books)

In the books Sam doesn't because he promised Bran he wouldn't, I believe it's the same in the show as well unless Sam spilled the beans last night...

Now that is a change I don't like,


Yes.
 
2014-04-28 05:06:15 PM  

stoli n coke: akula: SkittlesAreYum: Decillion: You didn't hear it from me, but in select literary circles the word is that book 6 is done and being edited. The release delay and 'panic hype' is simply to maximize the profit on the book and show.

Wait, he has an editor? You could have fooled me after the last two books. Almost two thousand pages of basically nothing happening save for a handful of events that were delayed for 90 chapters for no reason or were introduced right at the end. I'm not saying I want them to be a snappy read a la Hunger Games, but damn.

As much as people seem to love these books and the story, I find it every bit as tedious as the middle books of the Wheel of Time series, just sexed up and with less likable characters. The story just doesn't seem to be actually GOING anywhere... sure, Daenerys seems to be making her push but I can't bring myself to care. With the way the big Houses have treated others (not just the other Houses but the common folk), I'm not sure that the White Walkers shouldn't just kill everybody and be done with it.

There's a direct corrolation between people's love of the books and the amount of time they spent on it.
Some folks can't admit that after Storm of Swords, GRRM ran out of gas.
If the quality of the last 2 books are any indication, I have no problem with HBO picking up the story and finishing it up.


Exactly. The first three were really, really good, especially SoS. After that...
 
2014-04-28 05:10:38 PM  

patrick767: DeathByGeekSquad:
WoT seems to get off track, but by the end of the series you'll go, "OOOOOOH" and realize that it was necessary.  It's not graceful, but it's necessary.

No. Just no. There is no farking way that many books where damn near nothing happened were necessary. book 6 or 7 through book 11 could have easily been 1 to 2 books.


the whole bowl of winds thing was completely pointless.  There was enough crap going on from the dark one trying to release himself you didn't need to add a couple books of finding and using it.  Sanderson pretty much had to go uhh... yeah and some of the minor characters sat around babysitting it in the last battle so random storms wouldn't screw everyone, NEXT!
 
2014-04-28 05:13:17 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Superjew: Ow! That was my feelings!: all I can think of is Robert Jordan. Finish it and I'll read it.

The crucial difference here is that the Wheel Of Time books were a huge pile of crap from the get-go, while the Game of Thrones books are each awesome as individual books.

If you don't read them because you're afraid there's a possibility that they won't get ended, then you are depriving yourself of at least 5 fantastic reads.

Also, you may want to not start watching any Star Wars movies.

All you need to do is read the 5th book.  It mentions every single thing that happens in all the previous books and will waste much much less of your time.  Some of the events are actually retold in a near word for word copy and paste.

I can't remember if you will be spared the page after page of him actually talking about the roots of a tree growing. But if you are somehow a tree root fetishist, you could look it up.

Seriously, don't read the books.


You people WISH Martin would pull a Jordan.

You know, leave the ending thoughly polotted out and mostly written?

Hire a competent writer in case you died to finish it?

Here's the bit, Bokks 7 and 8 AND 9 and 10 could both have been combined into 2 books. No doubt. The rest of the books are awesome, epic .... oh and COMPLETE.
 
2014-04-28 05:16:24 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jim from Saint Paul: Ow! That was my feelings!: Jews for Hitler: I missed the last two episodes. Has Dumbledore been killed off yet?

Yep. He was strangled by Gandolf.

Oops! Spoilers!

Strangled by Gandolf's dick maybe.

Heh, now. There will be a hockey thread shortly for your hate to flow through...


It was a gay joke, not a hate joke. ;)

Wild series is over even if they win tonight.

You can beat an average team and shiatty refs. You can be a good team with good refs. shiatty refs and Good Team is too much. Wild simply aren't talented enough to make that happen.

If we pull through, I won;t be all "HAHA IN YOUR FACE" because I'll be too busy sitting there flaberghasted.
 
2014-04-28 05:18:22 PM  

WhatFarkHandle: OK. I'll be that guy. Chain of Dogs and the Night of Knives sequence with Kalaam were great, but the rest of the Malazan books felt like a waste of time to me. There was no payoff to the story with 90% of the previous books becoming meaningless with the ending with the Crippled God.


I thought the ending wasn't as strong as other parts of the series, but I also felt satisfied.  More importantly, as Stephen King has noted multiple times, and I agree with him, it's the journey that matters.  Gesler and Stormy had me laughing for days.  Karsa had me hating the hell out of him and then loving the hell out of him.  Minor characters like Beak, Duiker, Korbal Broach/Bauchelain/Emancipor Reese, Itkovian, etc have positively added to my enjoyment and the color in my life.

Nearly ever book is ultimately meaningless, they're just words on paper with no consequence towards our existence.  The fact that things happened in a book that doesn't directly tie in to the ending doesn't bother me at all, because I enjoyed the entire journey.
 
2014-04-28 05:20:30 PM  

Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Over 300 rangers went out and got slaughtered at Fist of the First Men and/or at the mutiny at Craster's Keep

And not one of them were captured for information.

Yeah, that seems reasonable.


They were killed by the White Walkers and/or each other, not by Wildlings.
 
2014-04-28 05:26:51 PM  

Verrai: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Over 300 rangers went out and got slaughtered at Fist of the First Men and/or at the mutiny at Craster's Keep

And not one of them were captured for information.

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

They were killed by the White Walkers and/or each other, not by Wildlings.


I'm gonna have to go back and watch that episode. I remember that Jon got lost and was captured. I remember that the other guy was also captured and the Wildlings just let them try to kill each other like a bunch of dumbasses. I remember that Sam was lost in the fog and was...let go?...by the White Walkers. Apparently, Sam was too fat to become a decent zombie and the White Walkers didn't feel like killing him. Or they're just so super badass and cocky that they wanted one to live to spread the word that the White Walkers were back in town. I dunno.
 
2014-04-28 05:27:34 PM  

Lando Lincoln: BalugaJoe: He is a fat guy.  Give him more food to write faster.

Fatness does not work that way. Lock him in a cell and deny him ice cream and fried food until he finishes the book and you'll have that sixth book finished in no time.


Yeah, but it would consist entirely of obsessively detailed meal descriptions.
 
2014-04-28 05:31:02 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Superjew: Tricky Chicken: All you need to do is read the 5th book.  It mentions every single thing that happens in all the previous books and will waste much much less of your time.

Guess how I can tell you don't really like the act of reading all that much.

I love reading. I just don't love reading the same conversation over and over, or constant flashbacks so detailed, that you can skip whold books and not miss anything.

If you were to watch the DVDs like the books, you would have to watch them in this order
Disc 1
Disc 2
Half of Disc 1
Disc 3
Disc2
Disc 4
Disc 1
Disc 3
Disc 5
Disc 2
Disc 4
Half of disc 6
Disc 3
Disc 5
The rest of disc 6
Disc 4
Disc 3
Disc 7


Yes, because TV and film never employ flashbacks and are linear only...
 
2014-04-28 05:33:46 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Ow! That was my feelings!: Jim from Saint Paul: Ow! That was my feelings!: Jews for Hitler: I missed the last two episodes. Has Dumbledore been killed off yet?

Yep. He was strangled by Gandolf.

Oops! Spoilers!

Strangled by Gandolf's dick maybe.

Heh, now. There will be a hockey thread shortly for your hate to flow through...

It was a gay joke, not a hate joke. ;)

Wild series is over even if they win tonight.

You can beat an average team and shiatty refs. You can be a good team with good refs. shiatty refs and Good Team is too much. Wild simply aren't talented enough to make that happen.

If we pull through, I won;t be all "HAHA IN YOUR FACE" because I'll be too busy sitting there flaberghasted.


C'mon. It's been a poorly officiated series for sure, but the Avs have gotten the ass too. Wild win tonight, unless Duchene's return ignites the PP, and we go to a game 7. Series is still a toss up.
 
2014-04-28 05:34:37 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Verrai: Lando Lincoln: ShadowKamui: Over 300 rangers went out and got slaughtered at Fist of the First Men and/or at the mutiny at Craster's Keep

And not one of them were captured for information.

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

They were killed by the White Walkers and/or each other, not by Wildlings.

I'm gonna have to go back and watch that episode. I remember that Jon got lost and was captured. I remember that the other guy was also captured and the Wildlings just let them try to kill each other like a bunch of dumbasses. I remember that Sam was lost in the fog and was...let go?...by the White Walkers. Apparently, Sam was too fat to become a decent zombie and the White Walkers didn't feel like killing him. Or they're just so super badass and cocky that they wanted one to live to spread the word that the White Walkers were back in town. I dunno.


The other guy was a Shadow Tower crow, they leave the Fist to go hunt down some Wildlings the Shadow Tower patrol saw when meeting up w/ the Castle Black army at the Fist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_of_Harrenhal

The Castle Black rangers don't get attacked by white walkers till here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valar_Morghulis
 
2014-04-28 05:36:30 PM  

Blues_X: nocturnal001: and people keep yelling at me to read the Wheel of Time.


These people are not your friends.


THIS! STAY AWAY!

I read the rest of them after it got really boring because I just had to know how it turned out. I do not know why. Actually I finally gave up after book 10. I abandoned the series until Robert Jordan died and the second book that Brandon Sanderson wrote had come out. Then I finally read Jordan's last one and Sanderson's concluding books.
 
2014-04-28 05:36:47 PM  

jso2897: Lando Lincoln: BalugaJoe: He is a fat guy.  Give him more food to write faster.

Fatness does not work that way. Lock him in a cell and deny him ice cream and fried food until he finishes the book and you'll have that sixth book finished in no time.

Yeah, but it would consist entirely of obsessively detailed meal descriptions.


Good point.
 
2014-04-28 05:39:33 PM  
mongbiohazard:
Mostly because they've teased so much about it. They show the White Walkers early in the show, and they've given you a glimpse or two here and there... but really they haven't done shiat. They're kind of a non-issue. The show woudn't be changed any if they were left out. So they're kind of a fantasy cock-tease. Dragons ahve been a little more involved... but still not a lot going on there either.

The books are the same way. "Winter is coming..." in book 1. They have glimpses of the Walkers, talk about it, blah blah blah... five books are out and winter is still on the way. Farking hell.
 
2014-04-28 05:45:38 PM  

patrick767: mongbiohazard:
Mostly because they've teased so much about it. They show the White Walkers early in the show, and they've given you a glimpse or two here and there... but really they haven't done shiat. They're kind of a non-issue. The show woudn't be changed any if they were left out. So they're kind of a fantasy cock-tease. Dragons ahve been a little more involved... but still not a lot going on there either.

The books are the same way. "Winter is coming..." in book 1. They have glimpses of the Walkers, talk about it, blah blah blah... five books are out and winter is still on the way. Farking hell.


By the time Stannis marches on Winterfell, pretty safe to say winter is in full swing.

It's just easy to forget with all the Dorne nonsense thrown in there, plus whatever continent Dany is on, as they don't seem to get winter down there.

/fark Dorne
 
2014-04-28 05:48:43 PM  

Tricky Chicken: All you need to do is read the 5th book.  It mentions every single thing that happens in all the previous books and will waste much much less of your time.


So you're willing to accept quick summaries in lieu of well-written and engaging prose, then?  Just as happy to read the cliff notes as the novel?

Good to know I can safely ignore your opinions on literature in the future.
 
2014-04-28 05:52:02 PM  

Klivian: By the time Stannis marches on Winterfell, pretty safe to say winter is in full swing.


There's no farking way in hell am I going to live in a region that can get 60 goddamn feet of snow at a stretch and winter can last for years on end. Not even the hardiest of Icelandians would put up with that shiat.
 
2014-04-28 05:55:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Klivian: By the time Stannis marches on Winterfell, pretty safe to say winter is in full swing.

There's no farking way in hell am I going to live in a region that can get 60 goddamn feet of snow at a stretch and winter can last for years on end. Not even the hardiest of Icelandians would put up with that shiat.


Yeah, there's a term for lands that have 10-year-winters, and that term is "uninhabitable". Not sure why any human gives a shiat about keeping the northern lands in Westeros.
 
2014-04-28 05:56:26 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Klivian: By the time Stannis marches on Winterfell, pretty safe to say winter is in full swing.

There's no farking way in hell am I going to live in a region that can get 60 goddamn feet of snow at a stretch and winter can last for years on end. Not even the hardiest of Icelandians would put up with that shiat.


How much does it actually snow in Iceland?
 
2014-04-28 05:58:18 PM  

redmid17: Lando Lincoln: Klivian: By the time Stannis marches on Winterfell, pretty safe to say winter is in full swing.

There's no farking way in hell am I going to live in a region that can get 60 goddamn feet of snow at a stretch and winter can last for years on end. Not even the hardiest of Icelandians would put up with that shiat.

How much does it actually snow in Iceland?


"Not even the hardiest Inuits..."

Better?
 
2014-04-28 06:23:24 PM  

Abner Doon: The other explanation would be that he just doesn't give a fark about finishing, which would fit in with all of the other evidence. It doesn't seem like he's even writing at this point.


http://www.iswintercoming.com/ucp.php?mode=register

We'd love to have you.

Even the most recent teaser chapter...wasn't that written like a decade ago?

Yes, back when he was still planning on a five-year-gap between books three and four.   He ditched the gap but didn't change anything else about the chapter.  So what was originally a 17-year-old girl doing sexual things with a much older adult became a 12-year-old girl doing sexual things with a much older adult.
 
2014-04-28 06:23:35 PM  

Flying Code Monkey: George R. R. Martin, please write and write faster.
You're not going to get any younger, you know.
Winter is coming. I'm growing impatient, and you've still got two whole damn books left to go!
So write, George.  Write like the wind!

(link)


Came for this, satisfied, etc.
 
2014-04-28 06:24:09 PM  

Klivian: /fark Dorne


gaygamer.net

"Oh, we have pretty much farked all of Dorne."
 
2014-04-28 06:35:03 PM  

patrick767: redmid17: Lando Lincoln: Klivian: By the time Stannis marches on Winterfell, pretty safe to say winter is in full swing.

There's no farking way in hell am I going to live in a region that can get 60 goddamn feet of snow at a stretch and winter can last for years on end. Not even the hardiest of Icelandians would put up with that shiat.

How much does it actually snow in Iceland?

"Not even the hardiest Inuits..."

Better?


Yup.  There's no rational reason for people to live within the Arctic Circle or in the Gobi Desert, yet there are people there, all the same.
 
2014-04-28 06:53:56 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: There's no rational reason for people to live within the Arctic Circle or in the Gobi Desert,


Up until about 300 years ago: Well, if the evil people from the other tribe who pushed you into the desert in the first place (whether by food shortage or defeat in battle) would die off, you could move back.

/We shouldn't build modern cities in the desert or Arctic Circle.
//A very small number of people can survive.  As shown by the fact that they're not dead.
 
2014-04-28 06:55:23 PM  
Given how much the last two books generally sucked (minus a few viewpoint characters), I think it's a great thing to be diverging from them.

Obviously you don't want to go too far abroad from the original text, but I'm totally okay if we never hear from Edric Storm, Aegon, or Darkstar. GRRM really loves his sprawl, but it just doesn't work for TV. Consolidate where you can and strengthen characters we already like, like having Bronn replace both Bywater and Illyn Payne in different settings.
 
2014-04-28 06:55:44 PM  
The smaller stories are more interesting than the grand plot, just like CKII, but I do wonder how the general fans of the show will react to the more outthere fantasy elements. Has Mother Stark turned up undead yet?
 
2014-04-28 06:58:28 PM  

Strolpol: Given how much the last two books generally sucked (minus a few viewpoint characters), I think it's a great thing to be diverging from them.

Obviously you don't want to go too far abroad from the original text, but I'm totally okay if we never hear from Edric Storm, Aegon, or Darkstar. GRRM really loves his sprawl, but it just doesn't work for TV. Consolidate where you can and strengthen characters we already like, like having Bronn replace both Bywater and Illyn Payne in different settings.


FWIW I still hope we see Payne come back to help Jaime relearn swordsmanship in future seasons.
 
2014-04-28 07:04:38 PM  

redmid17: Strolpol: Given how much the last two books generally sucked (minus a few viewpoint characters), I think it's a great thing to be diverging from them.

Obviously you don't want to go too far abroad from the original text, but I'm totally okay if we never hear from Edric Storm, Aegon, or Darkstar. GRRM really loves his sprawl, but it just doesn't work for TV. Consolidate where you can and strengthen characters we already like, like having Bronn replace both Bywater and Illyn Payne in different settings.

FWIW I still hope we see Payne come back to help Jaime relearn swordsmanship in future seasons.


The actor's suffering pancreatic cancer, so it's probably not gonna happen.

Just as well, since it'd be kinda boring to watch Jaime spar with a mute guy.
 
2014-04-28 07:32:18 PM  
Would GRRM really go for the "prophecy" ending? What with dragons burning white walkers?
One question I have is how much you can write about dragons burning things before you're sick of it? How many synonyms for "cold" is the next book going to need?

Also, how do you carry on a coherent narrative when so many people are going to die or be cut off from one another during winter?

Personally I hope he kills Daenarys and has her dragons set loose amongst Westeros....

Oh yeah and did anyone else find Cersei's downfall a little underwhelming? I was hoping for that to involve Jaime in a tragic kind of way. Still room to maneuver though.
 
2014-04-28 07:56:21 PM  

spamdog: Also, how do you carry on a coherent narrative when so many people are going to die or be cut off from one another during winter?


Actually most of the story paths point towards very few geographic areas, so there will be convergence rather than separation.
 
2014-04-28 07:59:26 PM  
Gimme Dark Tower, HBO
 
2014-04-28 08:00:52 PM  

meyerkev: Dwight_Yeast: There's no rational reason for people to live within the Arctic Circle or in the Gobi Desert,

Up until about 300 years ago: Well, if the evil people from the other tribe who pushed you into the desert in the first place (whether by food shortage or defeat in battle) would die off, you could move back.

/We shouldn't build modern cities in the desert or Arctic Circle.
//A very small number of people can survive.  As shown by the fact that they're not dead.


We're still pushing people around.  It's just that we now house them in "refugee camps."

From what I understand, the Arctic people of North America have all pretty much moved south and live in year-round housing.  When asked why the answer is some version of "It's farking cold and bleak up here".

On the other hand, the Saudis are having a hell of a time trying to get the  nomadic people of the Empty Quarter to settle down (they're seen as a potential political problem for a number of reasons).  The Saudis are willing to build them good-quality housing but they have no reason to settle and are used to the nomadic lifestyle.
 
2014-04-28 08:12:05 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jews for Hitler: I missed the last two episodes. Has Dumbledore been killed off yet?

Yep. He was strangled by Gandolf.

Oops! Spoilers!


It wasn't Gandalf, it was Magneto.
 
2014-04-28 08:23:21 PM  

spamdog: One question I have is how much you can write about dragons burning things before you're sick of it? How many synonyms for "cold" is the next book going to need?


You're talking about an author who writes 10 meandering pages detailing what a character has for breakfast and spends multiple books with a POV character aimlessly wandering around in a circle.    He doesn't give a fark.
 
2014-04-28 08:27:36 PM  

yeager: Gimme Dark Tower, HBO


And people biatched about the end to the Sopranos...
 
2014-04-28 08:36:29 PM  

nocturnal001: bhcompy: error 303: How is Malazan Tale of the Fallen? It's been on my radar for awhile but I've never got around to it...

The Malazan series is easily my favorite piece of literature.  Martin's world building and politicking with Glen Cook's characterizations and dialog.  The first book is the worst book, which makes it hard to start, but it's amazing.

Well said. Book 1 had me wondering what I was doing until halfway through. The Chain of Dogs was some of the most compelling stuff I've read. I absolutely hated the Edur vs Letheri war until about 2/3 through then I wound up really enjoying it.


Book 1 was originally written as a screen play, so that is why it is a bit rough around the edges.  Still enjoyed it but it takes first couple hundred to get caught up.
 
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