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2014-04-28 02:07:08 PM  
I read the books and i have no idea what you all are talking about.
 
2014-04-28 02:07:20 PM  

error 303: How is Malazan Tale of the Fallen? It's been on my radar for awhile but I've never got around to it...


The Malazan series is easily my favorite piece of literature.  Martin's world building and politicking with Glen Cook's characterizations and dialog.  The first book is the worst book, which makes it hard to start, but it's amazing.
 
2014-04-28 02:08:06 PM  

DamnYankees: mekkab: /And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.

I don't really see how that's true. What in this episode is contradictory to the books in any meaningful way? AFAIK, the last scene isn't so much a different story from the books, as it just shows us a scene which isn't in the books.


Well, all the stuff surrounding Craster's keep is new: Bran getting captured, Jon wanting to go bring the mutineers in, a servant of Roose Bolton tagging along.

I don't blame the series authors; they're having to make some new stuff up to account for the fact that almost nothing happens to some characters for the span of 2 books. People were already starting to complain heavily about Bran scenes.
 
2014-04-28 02:08:19 PM  
He is a fat guy.  Give him more food to write faster.
 
2014-04-28 02:08:28 PM  

DamnYankees: StrikitRich: It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end.  The show could very well complete before the books come out as they will probably finish off of his outline.

I thought he was 100% adamant against that happening, and may have contractual rights to prevent it. I thought the reason he told them the story was in case he died, not in case he wrote too slowly.


HBO also has to worry about keep all of their actors under contract, which would be extremely difficult to do if the show had to go on hiatus for any reason.

He didn't just tell them the rest of the story in case he died, in any case.  He had to tell them the rest of the story so that they would know how to refine it and show it on screen in a way the viewers understand.  From this point on, it's very possible that we start seeing things that aren't in the books yet.  The HBO execs would have never agreed to do the series if they felt like they would be hamstrung as far as finishing it by the author's own tardiness.
 
2014-04-28 02:08:29 PM  
Hey, wait a minute. Jon Snow wants to go capture or kill the Night's Watch defectors because he doesn't want them to blab to Mance Rayder about how few men are now guarding the Wall. But Mance was a member of the Night's Watch, so...how long ago did Mance leave the Night's Watch anyway? Did the Night's Watch take a serious dip in manpower since Mance left? Mance's raiders have killed other members of the Night's Watch recently, so why are we to assume that none of those members didn't already blab the information to Mance?
 
2014-04-28 02:09:36 PM  

bborchar: HBO also has to worry about keep all of their actors under contract, which would be extremely difficult to do if the show had to go on hiatus for any reason.


Not to mention that by that point Bran and Arya will be 25 years old.
 
2014-04-28 02:10:29 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Hey, wait a minute. Jon Snow wants to go capture or kill the Night's Watch defectors because he doesn't want them to blab to Mance Rayder about how few men are now guarding the Wall. But Mance was a member of the Night's Watch, so...how long ago did Mance leave the Night's Watch anyway? Did the Night's Watch take a serious dip in manpower since Mance left? Mance's raiders have killed other members of the Night's Watch recently, so why are we to assume that none of those members didn't already blab the information to Mance?


Um... Well... Shut up, that's why.
 
2014-04-28 02:11:32 PM  

BalugaJoe: He is a fat guy.  Give him more food to write faster.


Fatness does not work that way. Lock him in a cell and deny him ice cream and fried food until he finishes the book and you'll have that sixth book finished in no time.
 
2014-04-28 02:12:10 PM  
I think when it comes to the books, there really are two kinds of readers:

1. Those who HAVE TO KNOW HOW IT ENDS. These are the ones most vocal about GRRM dicking around and not writing when HE SHOULD BE WRITING WHY ISN'T HE WRITING I HAVE TO KNOW HOW TYRION TURNS OUT!!!

2. Those who are just along for the ride. This is me. I honestly don't give a f*ck about how it's going to end. I love the world he created and the more time I spend in it following his characters around while they travel, eat and live, the happier I am.
 
2014-04-28 02:13:44 PM  

error 303: nocturnal001: Is anyone else noticing that the show is actually starting to diverge from the books in important ways?

I could use a re-read of the book for a refresher but I'm still trying to wrap up the MalazanTale of the Fallen series, and people keep yelling at me to read the Wheel of Time.

How is Malazan Tale of the Fallen? It's been on my radar for awhile but I've never got around to it...


It's good, what others have said is true. Gardens of the Moon drops you right into a giant story and you'll be WTF'ing for a while, but it's worth persevering. It's a *very* fleshed out world, and it's got a lot of ideas in it that will stick with you.

It manages to keep a Glen Cook level of humanity while at the same time interacting with near immortal beings.

Plus, it's,  you know, *done*.
 
2014-04-28 02:14:26 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Hey, wait a minute. Jon Snow wants to go capture or kill the Night's Watch defectors because he doesn't want them to blab to Mance Rayder about how few men are now guarding the Wall. But Mance was a member of the Night's Watch, so...how long ago did Mance leave the Night's Watch anyway? Did the Night's Watch take a serious dip in manpower since Mance left? Mance's raiders have killed other members of the Night's Watch recently, so why are we to assume that none of those members didn't already blab the information to Mance?


Well, I assume that the people who escaped probably said "We haven't seen Mance".  Hence the "hey, we should hurry up and do this".

If you want to be nitpicky, I would ask why the mutineers are keeping Ghost locked up instead of just killing him- but if it means that we get major carnage when Ghost gets out, I don't even mind that.
 
2014-04-28 02:14:33 PM  

Shostie: 2. Those who are just along for the ride. This is me. I honestly don't give a f*ck about how it's going to end. I love the world he created and the more time I spend in it following his characters around while they travel, eat and live, the happier I am.


That's because you're dumb.
 
2014-04-28 02:15:18 PM  

Shostie: 1. Those who HAVE TO KNOW HOW IT ENDS. These are the ones most vocal about GRRM dicking around and not writing when HE SHOULD BE WRITING WHY ISN'T HE WRITING I HAVE TO KNOW HOW TYRION TURNS OUT!!!

2. Those who are just along for the ride. This is me. I honestly don't give a f*ck about how it's going to end. I love the world he created and the more time I spend in it following his characters around while they travel, eat and live, the happier I am.


I don't think its that we have to know how it ends - I think people just want to be comforted that it WILL end, and they won't have to wait 10 years for it. That's not unreasonable, is it?
 
2014-04-28 02:15:26 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Hey, wait a minute. Jon Snow wants to go capture or kill the Night's Watch defectors because he doesn't want them to blab to Mance Rayder about how few men are now guarding the Wall. But Mance was a member of the Night's Watch, so...how long ago did Mance leave the Night's Watch anyway? Did the Night's Watch take a serious dip in manpower since Mance left? Mance's raiders have killed other members of the Night's Watch recently, so why are we to assume that none of those members didn't already blab the information to Mance?


Jon also suspects that Bran & co. would head to Craster's Keep since it is the only non-Wilding inhabitation around, not knowing it is in the hands of the mutineers. There was a scene with Jon and Sam looking at a map before the confrontation at the dining hall. His dire wolf is out there too.  So Jon has other reasons to go back there.
 
2014-04-28 02:15:56 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Shostie: 2. Those who are just along for the ride. This is me. I honestly don't give a f*ck about how it's going to end. I love the world he created and the more time I spend in it following his characters around while they travel, eat and live, the happier I am.

That's because you're dumb.


Yeah, I'm eating some chicken that I made from a recipe in my Song of Ice and Fire cookbook.

SO DUMB LIKE A CHICKEN GLAZED WITH HONEY AND DRIED FRUIT!
 
2014-04-28 02:16:14 PM  

DamnYankees: drewsclues: It's not contradictory, but if the TFA is to be believed and they did reveal who that was in the end of the episode, it's the one of the most, if not the most significant reveals of the entire series (books and show) to date.

I'm not sure I agree with this. How is it meaningful to say that the leader of the White Walkers is the same person as the leader of the Night's Watch from a couple thousand years ago. Seems like a random connection to me, not anything insightful.


We went from knowing almost nothing, to knowing a little, if the identity is true. The Others have motivation and are organized. That's the important part. Whether or not that's meaningful or random doesn't really matter.
 
2014-04-28 02:16:57 PM  

bhcompy: error 303: How is Malazan Tale of the Fallen? It's been on my radar for awhile but I've never got around to it...

The Malazan series is easily my favorite piece of literature.  Martin's world building and politicking with Glen Cook's characterizations and dialog.  The first book is the worst book, which makes it hard to start, but it's amazing.


Well said. Book 1 had me wondering what I was doing until halfway through. The Chain of Dogs was some of the most compelling stuff I've read. I absolutely hated the Edur vs Letheri war until about 2/3 through then I wound up really enjoying it.
 
2014-04-28 02:17:35 PM  

bhcompy: error 303: How is Malazan Tale of the Fallen? It's been on my radar for awhile but I've never got around to it...

The Malazan series is easily my favorite piece of literature.  Martin's world building and politicking with Glen Cook's characterizations and dialog.  The first book is the worst book, which makes it hard to start, but it's amazing.


Neat. Thanks. I'll make that my next big read. I had a hard time with the first 200 pages or so of Tad William's Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn books, but once it got going it became maybe my favorite fantasy series ever, so I don't mind a little confusing slog to start out with if the payoff is worth it.
 
2014-04-28 02:17:51 PM  

bborchar: Lando Lincoln: Hey, wait a minute. Jon Snow wants to go capture or kill the Night's Watch defectors because he doesn't want them to blab to Mance Rayder about how few men are now guarding the Wall. But Mance was a member of the Night's Watch, so...how long ago did Mance leave the Night's Watch anyway? Did the Night's Watch take a serious dip in manpower since Mance left? Mance's raiders have killed other members of the Night's Watch recently, so why are we to assume that none of those members didn't already blab the information to Mance?

Well, I assume that the people who escaped probably said "We haven't seen Mance".  Hence the "hey, we should hurry up and do this".

If you want to be nitpicky, I would ask why the mutineers are keeping Ghost locked up instead of just killing him- but if it means that we get major carnage when Ghost gets out, I don't even mind that.


How did they even catch Ghost in the first goddamn place?

"You there! Go catch that giant direwolf and stick him in a cage for no real reason!"
"Yeah, you can go fark yourself sideways, buddy."
 
2014-04-28 02:18:00 PM  

DamnYankees: Shostie: 1. Those who HAVE TO KNOW HOW IT ENDS. These are the ones most vocal about GRRM dicking around and not writing when HE SHOULD BE WRITING WHY ISN'T HE WRITING I HAVE TO KNOW HOW TYRION TURNS OUT!!!

2. Those who are just along for the ride. This is me. I honestly don't give a f*ck about how it's going to end. I love the world he created and the more time I spend in it following his characters around while they travel, eat and live, the happier I am.

I don't think its that we have to know how it ends - I think people just want to be comforted that it WILL end, and they won't have to wait 10 years for it. That's not unreasonable, is it?


It started as a trilogy and he's working on book six of allegedly seven. I'm reading through the series for the third time and I really don't see any way he can wrap this up in a timely fashion unless he cuts forward 10 years and spends the remaining book as an epilogue.
 
2014-04-28 02:18:15 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jews for Hitler: I missed the last two episodes. Has Dumbledore been killed off yet?

Yep. He was strangled by Gandolf.

Oops! Spoilers!


But it's OK; it turns out he is given a whole new set of regenerations.
 
2014-04-28 02:18:16 PM  

drewsclues: We went from knowing almost nothing, to knowing a little, if the identity is true. The Others have motivation and are organized. That's the important part. Whether or not that's meaningful or random doesn't really matter.


How can "whether its meaningful" not matter? That's literally the definition of meaningful.
 
2014-04-28 02:19:09 PM  

Shostie: It started as a trilogy and he's working on book six of allegedly seven. I'm reading through the series for the third time and I really don't see any way he can wrap this up in a timely fashion unless he cuts forward 10 years and spends the remaining book as an epilogue.


Ergo the worry. Keep in mind, people aren't just worried the writer will die before its over. They are worried the reader will!
 
2014-04-28 02:22:21 PM  

Shostie: I think when it comes to the books, there really are two kinds of readers:

1. Those who HAVE TO KNOW HOW IT ENDS. These are the ones most vocal about GRRM dicking around and not writing when HE SHOULD BE WRITING WHY ISN'T HE WRITING I HAVE TO KNOW HOW TYRION TURNS OUT!!!

2. Those who are just along for the ride. This is me. I honestly don't give a f*ck about how it's going to end. I love the world he created and the more time I spend in it following his characters around while they travel, eat and live, the happier I am.


That's the perk of being an author in the fantasy genre.  Almost no standards or expectations by your readers.

The downside?  Getting lost in the shuffle of an untold number of of amateur authors pumping out .99 cent e-Books cementing that standard.
 
2014-04-28 02:23:52 PM  

rjakobi: So in layman's terms, Game of Thrones is succumbing to Duke Nukem Syndrome?


Decillion: You didn't hear it from me, but in select literary circles the word is that book 6 is done and being edited. The release delay and 'panic hype' is simply to maximize the profit on the book and show.


Let's just hope that Axl Rose isn't G.R.R.M.'s editor.  Remember how long Chinese Democracy took to complete?
 
2014-04-28 02:26:02 PM  

DamnYankees: mekkab: /And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.

I don't really see how that's true. What in this episode is contradictory to the books in any meaningful way? AFAIK, the last scene isn't so much a different story from the books, as it just shows us a scene which isn't in the books.


Yet.

My impression is that the HBO revealed a detail that hasn't YET been discussed in the books, but quite possibly was in the outline somewhere.  I didn't feel this was so much a different direction, as simply getting more into the White Walker story than the books have.

I found myself a bit frustrated that the White Walker story hasn't moved any farther in the books than it did.  Seemed like things were imminent in Book 2, yet....nothing really of substance.  It's possible HBO is (correctly IMO) trying to keep that story advancing for the TV viewers.  I think it's a good decision.

So I don't see that as a different direction, just information released earlier than in the books possibly.

The Bran/Craster's Keep stuff is a slightly different direction, but again, one probably made to help keep plots a little closer together than in the book.  I don't sense that Bran's journey will ultimately change, just that he gets there a bit differently.  It's just another small, probably meaningless change, that I think is better done than in the books.
 
2014-04-28 02:26:16 PM  
I think book 6 is the real turning point in the hope of GRRM finishing the series. Book 7 will be a series of climaxes that should nearly write themselves.

I just hope he keeps the books as vessels in the trope destructor fleet and doesn't take the easy way out.
 
2014-04-28 02:27:19 PM  

DamnYankees: drewsclues: We went from knowing almost nothing, to knowing a little, if the identity is true. The Others have motivation and are organized. That's the important part. Whether or not that's meaningful or random doesn't really matter.

How can "whether its meaningful" not matter? That's literally the definition of meaningful.


Sorry, that's just me dismissing your opinion without saying it. I should just say it. I'm of the opinion that some info is better than no info, and I don't look into, "what is all means." the info is there (maybe) and I'm happy to have it.
 
2014-04-28 02:28:58 PM  
George R. R. Martin, please write and write faster.
You're not going to get any younger, you know.
Winter is coming. I'm growing impatient, and you've still got two whole damn books left to go!
So write, George.  Write like the wind!

(link)
 
2014-04-28 02:33:22 PM  

recoil47: I found myself a bit frustrated that the White Walker story hasn't moved any farther in the books than it did.


It's a race to see who can move slower towards Westeros: White Walkers or Daenerys Targaryen.

"The White Walkers are moving strong! They are out of the box first in the first scene of the series! But wait! They've decided to do nothing for the rest of the season! This gives Daenerys plenty of time to catch up! But no! She decides to go in the opposite direction from Westeros! It's like neither of them want anything to do with Westeros after all!"
 
2014-04-28 02:33:33 PM  

Lando Lincoln: bborchar: Lando Lincoln: Hey, wait a minute. Jon Snow wants to go capture or kill the Night's Watch defectors because he doesn't want them to blab to Mance Rayder about how few men are now guarding the Wall. But Mance was a member of the Night's Watch, so...how long ago did Mance leave the Night's Watch anyway? Did the Night's Watch take a serious dip in manpower since Mance left? Mance's raiders have killed other members of the Night's Watch recently, so why are we to assume that none of those members didn't already blab the information to Mance?

Well, I assume that the people who escaped probably said "We haven't seen Mance".  Hence the "hey, we should hurry up and do this".

If you want to be nitpicky, I would ask why the mutineers are keeping Ghost locked up instead of just killing him- but if it means that we get major carnage when Ghost gets out, I don't even mind that.

How did they even catch Ghost in the first goddamn place?

"You there! Go catch that giant direwolf and stick him in a cage for no real reason!"
"Yeah, you can go fark yourself sideways, buddy."


Maybe they caught Ghost in a pit the same way they trapped Bran's wolf..................
 
2014-04-28 02:34:00 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Hey, wait a minute. Jon Snow wants to go capture or kill the Night's Watch defectors because he doesn't want them to blab to Mance Rayder about how few men are now guarding the Wall. But Mance was a member of the Night's Watch, so...how long ago did Mance leave the Night's Watch anyway? Did the Night's Watch take a serious dip in manpower since Mance left? Mance's raiders have killed other members of the Night's Watch recently, so why are we to assume that none of those members didn't already blab the information to Mance?


I thought Jon had ulterior motives for going to Craster's Keep that he didn't tell Thorne about?  Sam told him that Bran was north of the wall, and Jon figured that all the wildlings villages were abandoned, but Bran might stumble upon Craster's.

It's getting really hard to keep straight in my mind what's going on in the series with what I read in the books so long ago, especially with all the changes taking place these days.
 
2014-04-28 02:38:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Hey, wait a minute. Jon Snow wants to go capture or kill the Night's Watch defectors because he doesn't want them to blab to Mance Rayder about how few men are now guarding the Wall. But Mance was a member of the Night's Watch, so...how long ago did Mance leave the Night's Watch anyway? Did the Night's Watch take a serious dip in manpower since Mance left? Mance's raiders have killed other members of the Night's Watch recently, so why are we to assume that none of those members didn't already blab the information to Mance?


In the book, Mance mentions that he goes to Winterfell to see Robert Baratheon. Jon asks if he was worried about his uncle Benjen revealing him, but Mance says that he left the watch before Benjen joined shortly after Robert's Rebellion. Even if he didn't join for a few years, it's been the better part of 20 years since Mance was part of the NW.
 
2014-04-28 02:39:21 PM  

Sypad: The spoiler is that the name attributed to the white walker in the (since changed) HBO synopsis was used by GRRM in the books to refer to someone who was not (at least at the time) a white walker. So the implication is "that person GRRM mentioned became the King of the Night Walkers."Of course, HBO could have removed the reference just because they realized the implication of what they wrote, not because the implication is true. So, it is just speculation, and relevant only to the book readers.


So when you saw a white walker wearing a crown, you just thought, "Hey, that's weird."
 
2014-04-28 02:39:27 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "The White Walkers are moving strong! They are out of the box first in the first scene of the series! But wait! They've decided to do nothing for the rest of the season! This gives Daenerys plenty of time to catch up! But no! She decides to go in the opposite direction from Westeros! It's like neither of them want anything to do with Westeros after all!"


It's kind of like this, really:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRBkgshj8Cw
 
2014-04-28 02:43:36 PM  

Flying Code Monkey: George R. R. Martin, please write and write faster.
You're not going to get any younger, you know.
Winter is coming. I'm growing impatient, and you've still got two whole damn books left to go!
So write, George.  Write like the wind!

(link)


George RR Martin is not your biatch!
 
2014-04-28 02:53:42 PM  

James!: They're planning to slowly transition into the Wheel of Time series over the next two seasons.


You are bad and this comment is bad.

/flogs James! with a wet noodle
// ;)
 
2014-04-28 02:55:11 PM  
**************. Spoilers ***************

Who is Coldhands in all this mess?  Maybe this Night King is actually a Night Queen, it's hard to tell the gender of a white walker.  Coldhands calls Sam brother and wears Nights Watch blacks and is in fact dead but still walks around and has his own will.  Speculation...

************** End spoilers ***************
 
2014-04-28 02:57:04 PM  
HODOR!!!
 
2014-04-28 02:58:56 PM  

AnubisMan: **************. Spoilers ***************

Who is Coldhands in all this mess?  Maybe this Night King is actually a Night Queen, it's hard to tell the gender of a white walker.  Coldhands calls Sam brother and wears Nights Watch blacks and is in fact dead but still walks around and has his own will.  Speculation...

************** End spoilers ***************


Well, I'm actually starting to wonder if we are even going to see Coldhands in the show or not, because they've worked him out of the story so far.  If he doesn't show up, then we'll all know that he's not really anyone important, I guess.
 
2014-04-28 03:03:18 PM  

Lando Lincoln: recoil47: I found myself a bit frustrated that the White Walker story hasn't moved any farther in the books than it did.

It's a race to see who can move slower towards Westeros: White Walkers or Daenerys Targaryen.

"The White Walkers are moving strong! They are out of the box first in the first scene of the series! But wait! They've decided to do nothing for the rest of the season! This gives Daenerys plenty of time to catch up! But no! She decides to go in the opposite direction from Westeros! It's like neither of them want anything to do with Westeros after all!"


Yeah, I'm loving it but that's my biggest frustration with GoT. It's a swords and sorcery setting and there's a metric shiat-ton of swords (yay!) but very little sorcery (boo!). And by sorcery I just mean magic/fantastic stuff in general. There's a looooot of politics and scheming, but I'd really like to see more monsters and crazy magic shiat.

Mostly because they've teased so much about it. They show the White Walkers early in the show, and they've given you a glimpse or two here and there... but really they haven't done shiat. They're kind of a non-issue. The show woudn't be changed any if they were left out. So they're kind of a fantasy cock-tease. Dragons ahve been a little more involved... but still not a lot going on there either.
 
2014-04-28 03:03:37 PM  

AnubisMan: **************. Spoilers ***************

Who is Coldhands in all this mess?  Maybe this Night King is actually a Night Queen, it's hard to tell the gender of a white walker.  Coldhands calls Sam brother and wears Nights Watch blacks and is in fact dead but still walks around and has his own will.  Speculation...

************** End spoilers ***************


There's been speculation for a while that Coldhands is Benjen Stark.
 
2014-04-28 03:03:38 PM  

StrikitRich: It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end


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"And that, kids, is how I met your mother on the Iron Throne."
 
2014-04-28 03:05:16 PM  

error 303: Neat. Thanks. I'll make that my next big read. I had a hard time with the first 200 pages or so of Tad William's Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn books, but once it got going it became maybe my favorite fantasy series ever, so I don't mind a little confusing slog to start out with if the payoff is worth it.


Give it at least the first two books.  If you can't hang after the second book(which is one of the best in the series), then it's probably not going to work out.

nocturnal001: Well said. Book 1 had me wondering what I was doing until halfway through. The Chain of Dogs was some of the most compelling stuff I've read. I absolutely hated the Edur vs Letheri war until about 2/3 through then I wound up really enjoying it.


The Chain of Dogs is one of my favorite sequences in any book I've red.

And the Edur/Letherii war was just weird because it was a whole new world 5 books in.  Tehol Beddict is worth the price of admission, though, and without the war we wouldn't have Beak
 
2014-04-28 03:07:11 PM  

Skyrmion: DamnYankees: mekkab: /And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.

I don't really see how that's true. What in this episode is contradictory to the books in any meaningful way? AFAIK, the last scene isn't so much a different story from the books, as it just shows us a scene which isn't in the books.

Well, all the stuff surrounding Craster's keep is new: Bran getting captured, Jon wanting to go bring the mutineers in, a servant of Roose Bolton tagging along.

I don't blame the series authors; they're having to make some new stuff up to account for the fact that almost nothing happens to some characters for the span of 2 books. People were already starting to complain heavily about Bran scenes.


Additionally, the Cersei rape-ish scene is a completely different animal than what was in the book.  And I would argue that all these things together are bigger than just "oh, I miss Strong Belwas."

/it's ok to not agree with me, though.
 
2014-04-28 03:07:41 PM  

meyerkev: error 303: I enjoyed the first and second Wheel of Time books, but by about book 5 they were so utterly frustrating and boring I just couldn't imagine reading the last four or eight or twenty or however many books that series went...

Cliffnotes up to 11.  Read from there.  Because there's a 300 page chapter called "The Last Battle".  And it is exactly what it says on the tin.  And Sanderson is *really* good at thinking about "Ok, I have this tech, how would it affect my battle".

Ah, and then go back and CTRL-F "Cauthon".  Mat is an awesome, awesome character.
And possibly read Rand's chapters.  Because that's the main plot.

/And I don't care if you liked Perrin or not.  He does nothing from about Book 6 through Book 12.


This. A thousand times this.

And Perrin sucks.  They could have done something cool with the whole wolf thing and instead just made him sit outside an Aiel camp biatching about his wife forever.

Mat is pretty much the only character that realizes he's being led from point A to point B and being completely badass along the way.
 
2014-04-28 03:08:21 PM  

Shostie: AnubisMan: **************. Spoilers ***************

Who is Coldhands in all this mess?  Maybe this Night King is actually a Night Queen, it's hard to tell the gender of a white walker.  Coldhands calls Sam brother and wears Nights Watch blacks and is in fact dead but still walks around and has his own will.  Speculation...

************** End spoilers ***************

There's been speculation for a while that Coldhands is Benjen Stark.


Obviously he is Benjen Stark...raped by a White Walker.
 
2014-04-28 03:09:00 PM  

mongbiohazard: Yeah, I'm loving it but that's my biggest frustration with GoT. It's a swords and sorcery setting and there's a metric shiat-ton of swords (yay!) but very little sorcery (boo!). And by sorcery I just mean magic/fantastic stuff in general. There's a looooot of politics and scheming, but I'd really like to see more monsters and crazy magic shiat.

Mostly because they've teased so much about it. They show the White Walkers early in the show, and they've given you a glimpse or two here and there... but really they haven't done shiat. They're kind of a non-issue. The show woudn't be changed any if they were left out. So they're kind of a fantasy cock-tease. Dragons ahve been a little more involved... but still not a lot going on there either.


I think that's the point.  ASoIaF is a response to the really awful state fantasy was in in the 80s and 90s with Dragonlance, Feist, Goodkind, etc.  Making it more real and less magical is what sold people on the books initially.
 
2014-04-28 03:13:36 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Indeed. The gf keeps badgering me about reading the series, but all I can think of is Robert Jordan. Finish it and I'll read it.


As someone who has read both series, he hasn't gone full Robert Jordan YET, his editor needs to cut more vigorously but it's not without hope.

When I read the end of the last book it seemed to me that the divergent storylines are going to come back together again.
 
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