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2014-04-28 12:40:43 PM
He's farked. Unless he's been writing the last 2 simultaneously, there's no way he'll be done by 2018, which is when the show is slated to finish.
 
2014-04-28 12:45:24 PM
They're planning to slowly transition into the Wheel of Time series over the next two seasons.
 
2014-04-28 12:56:55 PM

James!: They're planning to slowly transition into the Wheel of Time series over the next two seasons.



I will tug the sh*t out of your braids if that happens.
 
2014-04-28 12:58:07 PM

DamnYankees: He's farked. Unless he's been writing the last 2 simultaneously, there's no way he'll be done by 2018, which is when the show is slated to finish.


It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end.  The show could very well complete before the books come out as they will probably finish off of his outline.
 
2014-04-28 12:58:51 PM

Blues_X: James!: They're planning to slowly transition into the Wheel of Time series over the next two seasons.


I will tug the sh*t out of your braids if that happens.


Seriously, it'll pick it up right in the middle of Lord of Chaos.
 
2014-04-28 01:11:17 PM
Indeed. The gf keeps badgering me about reading the series, but all I can think of is Robert Jordan. Finish it and I'll read it.
 
2014-04-28 01:11:34 PM

StrikitRich: It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end.  The show could very well complete before the books come out as they will probably finish off of his outline.


I thought he was 100% adamant against that happening, and may have contractual rights to prevent it. I thought the reason he told them the story was in case he died, not in case he wrote too slowly.
 
2014-04-28 01:13:09 PM

DamnYankees: StrikitRich: It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end.  The show could very well complete before the books come out as they will probably finish off of his outline.

I thought he was 100% adamant against that happening, and may have contractual rights to prevent it. I thought the reason he told them the story was in case he died, not in case he wrote too slowly.


HBO is not above murdering a dude.
 
2014-04-28 01:13:35 PM
the way he's going, he's going to die before he finishes anyway
 
2014-04-28 01:14:59 PM

James!: DamnYankees: StrikitRich: It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end.  The show could very well complete before the books come out as they will probably finish off of his outline.

I thought he was 100% adamant against that happening, and may have contractual rights to prevent it. I thought the reason he told them the story was in case he died, not in case he wrote too slowly.

HBO is not above murdering a dude.


THIS.

/And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.
 
2014-04-28 01:21:27 PM
From what I hear, Winds of Winter is about 90% complete, and whatever book comes after is probably 40% done as well. He's reputed to be meticulous, prone to writer's block, someone distracted by shiny objects, and not much of a linear writer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the next book out this fall some time, and the one after that (who can say if it's the last or not, but I'm guessing not, just based on the general sprawl) within 2-3 years.
 
2014-04-28 01:21:28 PM
That ending...
It managed to give me some chills.
 
2014-04-28 01:21:41 PM

mekkab: James!: DamnYankees: StrikitRich: It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end.  The show could very well complete before the books come out as they will probably finish off of his outline.

I thought he was 100% adamant against that happening, and may have contractual rights to prevent it. I thought the reason he told them the story was in case he died, not in case he wrote too slowly.

HBO is not above murdering a dude.

THIS.

/And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.


We might get two stories out of this.
 
2014-04-28 01:22:14 PM

mekkab: James!: DamnYankees: StrikitRich: It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end.  The show could very well complete before the books come out as they will probably finish off of his outline.

I thought he was 100% adamant against that happening, and may have contractual rights to prevent it. I thought the reason he told them the story was in case he died, not in case he wrote too slowly.

HBO is not above murdering a dude.

THIS.

/And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.


Yeah, HBO is doing a good job of it.
Not that I wouldn't read the rest of the books once finished.
 
2014-04-28 01:23:34 PM
I missed the last two episodes. Has Dumbledore been killed off yet?
 
2014-04-28 01:23:36 PM
You didn't hear it from me, but in select literary circles the word is that book 6 is done and being edited. The release delay and 'panic hype' is simply to maximize the profit on the book and show.
 
2014-04-28 01:25:18 PM

Jews for Hitler: I missed the last two episodes. Has Dumbledore been killed off yet?


Yep. He was strangled by Gandolf.

Oops! Spoilers!
 
2014-04-28 01:25:45 PM

mekkab: James!: DamnYankees: StrikitRich: It's well known that Martin had to tell HBO and the showrunners where the show was going and how it would end.  The show could very well complete before the books come out as they will probably finish off of his outline.

I thought he was 100% adamant against that happening, and may have contractual rights to prevent it. I thought the reason he told them the story was in case he died, not in case he wrote too slowly.

HBO is not above murdering a dude.

THIS.

/And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.


HAH! Would it be ironic that GRRM gets killed by his patron much akin to the politics and intrigue present in the book series he wrote?

//Playing Crusader Kings GoT mod right now...
 
2014-04-28 01:26:23 PM

mekkab: /And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.


I prefer it. I'll watch and read and decide which story was better. HBO is currently in the lead.
 
2014-04-28 01:27:03 PM
I wish HBO's makeup artists/costume designers came up with something better than Ice Darth Maul for the Night's King.
 
2014-04-28 01:27:07 PM
I'd guess the sixth book will be out by the end of the year -- it'll be a huge seller whenever it's released, but I can see the powers that be holding it until the holiday season for better sales.

No way that Martin lets the series overtake the books unless he's six feet under.
 
2014-04-28 01:28:25 PM

Decillion: You didn't hear it from me, but in select literary circles the word is that book 6 is done and being edited. The release delay and 'panic hype' is simply to maximize the profit on the book and show.


No surprise here.
 
2014-04-28 01:29:55 PM

Decillion: You didn't hear it from me, but in select literary circles the word is that book 6 is done and being edited. The release delay and 'panic hype' is simply to maximize the profit on the book and show.


That would explain why he hasn't mentioned it in months on his blog (previously he'd throw in a "got another chapter done" or something every once in a while). Instead every post has been about anthologies and that damn movie theatre he bought which sucks away so much good ASoIaF writing time!
 
2014-04-28 01:34:00 PM
Is anyone else noticing that the show is actually starting to diverge from the books in important ways?

I could use a re-read of the book for a refresher but I'm still trying to wrap up the MalazanTale of the Fallen series, and people keep yelling at me to read the Wheel of Time.
 
2014-04-28 01:34:53 PM
So... He's not my biatch but he's HBO's biatch?
 
2014-04-28 01:36:41 PM

Decillion: You didn't hear it from me, but in select literary circles the word is that book 6 is done and being edited. The release delay and 'panic hype' is simply to maximize the profit on the book and show.


Well, his publisher is on record as stating it will not be published in 2014.

I thought I saw somewhere that the recently released Tyrion chapter would be the last one released, and for A Dance With Dragons the time between last chapter released and full book released was like eight months, so early 2015 seems to be a reasonable guess. That would put the show in Season 5. Assuming they go 7 seasons, he would need to get A Dream of Spring out two years later to beat the show...
 
2014-04-28 01:39:32 PM

nocturnal001: Is anyone else noticing that the show is actually starting to diverge from the books in important ways?

I could use a re-read of the book for a refresher but I'm still trying to wrap up the MalazanTale of the Fallen series, and people keep yelling at me to read the Wheel of Time.


How is Malazan Tale of the Fallen? It's been on my radar for awhile but I've never got around to it...

I enjoyed the first and second Wheel of Time books, but by about book 5 they were so utterly frustrating and boring I just couldn't imagine reading the last four or eight or twenty or however many books that series went...
 
2014-04-28 01:42:57 PM
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2014-04-28 01:43:43 PM
So in layman's terms, Game of Thrones is succumbing to Duke Nukem Syndrome?
 
2014-04-28 01:45:37 PM
So, the article says both this:

<Quote>
The original HBO synopsis of "Game of Thrones" episode 404. (HBO via Reddit)
"A White Walker claims the baby and rides to a city of ice," the original synopsis read. "The child is presented at an altar, where the Night's King greets the infant and lays a finger on its cheek. The baby's eyes turn White Walker blue."

Realizing that they had slipped up, HBO quickly altered the synopsis, changing mention of the "Night's King" to simply "a Walker," but not before an eagle-eyed Reddit user could take a screen shot.
</Quote>

And This:

<Quote>
Just who was that <B>crowned</B> White Walker at the end of Sunday night's episode of "Game of Thrones"?
</Quote>

Which is the spoiler?
 
2014-04-28 01:47:43 PM
So have Tavi gotten control of his fury's yet?

I haven't watched this season.
 
2014-04-28 01:48:19 PM
Except the article doesn't say that.
 
2014-04-28 01:49:31 PM

rjakobi: So in layman's terms, Game of Thrones is succumbing to Duke Nukem Syndrome?


I'm PRETTY sure that's still 'geek terms'
 
2014-04-28 01:51:21 PM

Slow To Return: Which is the spoiler?


My lousy attempt at formatting didn't work, but my point is basically, "I see a white walker wearing a crown... who am I supposed to think it is?  The Night's QUEEN?"

I'm pretty sure the synopsis wasn't a spoiler.
 
2014-04-28 01:56:43 PM

Slow To Return: Slow To Return: Which is the spoiler?

My lousy attempt at formatting didn't work, but my point is basically, "I see a white walker wearing a crown... who am I supposed to think it is?  The Night's QUEEN?"

I'm pretty sure the synopsis wasn't a spoiler.


The spoiler is that the name attributed to the white walker in the (since changed) HBO synopsis was used by GRRM in the books to refer to someone who was not (at least at the time) a white walker. So the implication is "that person GRRM mentioned became the King of the Night Walkers."

Of course, HBO could have removed the reference just because they realized the implication of what they wrote, not because the implication is true. So, it is just speculation, and relevant only to the book readers.
 
2014-04-28 01:56:45 PM

Enlightened Liberal: I wish HBO's makeup artists/costume designers came up with something better than Ice Darth Maul for the Night's King.


It was either Darth Maul or the Lich King from Lord of the Rings. Which would you have preferred?
 
2014-04-28 01:56:57 PM

mekkab: /And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.


I don't really see how that's true. What in this episode is contradictory to the books in any meaningful way? AFAIK, the last scene isn't so much a different story from the books, as it just shows us a scene which isn't in the books.
 
2014-04-28 01:57:32 PM

JolobinSmokin: So have Tavi gotten control of his fury's yet?

I haven't watched this season.


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I get that reference
 
2014-04-28 01:58:06 PM

error 303: nocturnal001: Is anyone else noticing that the show is actually starting to diverge from the books in important ways?

I could use a re-read of the book for a refresher but I'm still trying to wrap up the MalazanTale of the Fallen series, and people keep yelling at me to read the Wheel of Time.

How is Malazan Tale of the Fallen? It's been on my radar for awhile but I've never got around to it...

I enjoyed the first and second Wheel of Time books, but by about book 5 they were so utterly frustrating and boring I just couldn't imagine reading the last four or eight or twenty or however many books that series went...


WoT seems to get off track, but by the end of the series you'll go, "OOOOOOH" and realize that it was necessary.  It's not graceful, but it's necessary.
 
2014-04-28 02:00:18 PM

Cheese eating surrender monkey: So... He's not my biatch but he's HBO's biatch?


How much are you paying him again?

/very few people will be your biatch for the price of a book, even a hard cover
//lots of people willing to be your biatch for HBO money
 
2014-04-28 02:00:55 PM

DamnYankees: mekkab: /And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.

I don't really see how that's true. What in this episode is contradictory to the books in any meaningful way? AFAIK, the last scene isn't so much a different story from the books, as it just shows us a scene which isn't in the books.


It's not contradictory, but if the TFA is to be believed and they did reveal who that was in the end of the episode, it's the one of the most, if not the most significant reveals of the entire series (books and show) to date.
 
2014-04-28 02:01:11 PM

Sypad: Of course, HBO could have removed the reference just because they realized the implication of what they wrote, not because the implication is true. So, it is just speculation, and relevant only to the book readers.


It also just doesn't make much sense. Even a book reader who knows who the Night's King is, saying that the leader of the White Walkers is the same person is not really a eureka moment, it's more of a 'huh?'
 
2014-04-28 02:01:22 PM

error 303: I enjoyed the first and second Wheel of Time books, but by about book 5 they were so utterly frustrating and boring I just couldn't imagine reading the last four or eight or twenty or however many books that series went...


Cliffnotes up to 11.  Read from there.  Because there's a 300 page chapter called "The Last Battle".  And it is exactly what it says on the tin.  And Sanderson is *really* good at thinking about "Ok, I have this tech, how would it affect my battle".

Ah, and then go back and CTRL-F "Cauthon".  Mat is an awesome, awesome character.
And possibly read Rand's chapters.  Because that's the main plot.

/And I don't care if you liked Perrin or not.  He does nothing from about Book 6 through Book 12.
 
2014-04-28 02:01:26 PM

DamnYankees: mekkab: /And HBO seems to be telling their own story, now...  and I'm OK with that.

I don't really see how that's true. What in this episode is contradictory to the books in any meaningful way? AFAIK, the last scene isn't so much a different story from the books, as it just shows us a scene which isn't in the books.


Jon Snow going to capture or kill the defectors was not in the books. It did not go down that way.
 
2014-04-28 02:01:32 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: all I can think of is Robert Jordan. Finish it and I'll read it.


The crucial difference here is that the Wheel Of Time books were a huge pile of crap from the get-go, while the Game of Thrones books are each awesome as individual books.

If you don't read them because you're afraid there's a possibility that they won't get ended, then you are depriving yourself of at least 5 fantastic reads.

Also, you may want to not start watching any Star Wars movies.
 
2014-04-28 02:01:36 PM

error 303: nocturnal001: Is anyone else noticing that the show is actually starting to diverge from the books in important ways?

I could use a re-read of the book for a refresher but I'm still trying to wrap up the MalazanTale of the Fallen series, and people keep yelling at me to read the Wheel of Time.

How is Malazan Tale of the Fallen? It's been on my radar for awhile but I've never got around to it...

I enjoyed the first and second Wheel of Time books, but by about book 5 they were so utterly frustrating and boring I just couldn't imagine reading the last four or eight or twenty or however many books that series went...



I like the series a lot. Very different than many other fantasy worlds (no dwarves or elves etc. ) and walks a nice path between realism and the fantastical. The author drops you right into the story line so it takes a bit to get adjusted, but after that it's all good. After the first couple books the major story arch is revealed with each booking having it's own fleshed out plot that maps to it. Plus it is a 10 book series that are all written so no fear of waiting years to find out what happens.
 
2014-04-28 02:02:08 PM

drewsclues: It's not contradictory, but if the TFA is to be believed and they did reveal who that was in the end of the episode, it's the one of the most, if not the most significant reveals of the entire series (books and show) to date.


I'm not sure I agree with this. How is it meaningful to say that the leader of the White Walkers is the same person as the leader of the Night's Watch from a couple thousand years ago. Seems like a random connection to me, not anything insightful.
 
2014-04-28 02:02:47 PM

Lando Lincoln: Jon Snow going to capture or kill the defectors was not in the books. It did not go down that way.


Yeah, but that's old news, and they are clearly just using that plot to stall for time.
 
2014-04-28 02:04:24 PM

nocturnal001: and people keep yelling at me to read the Wheel of Time.



These people are not your friends.
 
2014-04-28 02:06:00 PM
I think he's more than happy letting HBO finish the series.    He doesn't know how to.

Yes, I know he has some rough outline of the Point A to   Point Z endpoint in the plot line, but he doesn't know how to fill in the gaps and get there in any coherent and cohesive form of narrative storytelling (as evidenced by procrastination and the the constant rewrites).   He farked around and created more ancillary characters, needless side plots and loose ends than he knows how to tie up.
 
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