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(Tech Times)   SpaceX can save the government $1B annually. Or about a quarter of NASA's annual budget   (techtimes.com) divider line 40
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-28 11:47:53 AM
I wonder if Elon will contract a sudden case of death soon.  That's a lot of money to take from a big defense contractor.
 
2014-04-28 01:05:01 PM

vpb: I wonder if Elon will contract a sudden case of death soon.  That's a lot of money to take from a big defense contractor.


Why would that happen? I thought people were all about the free market taking advantage of situations like this.
 
2014-04-28 01:10:43 PM
Elon Musk is my hero.   That being said, if his calculations on this figure were anything like his lease payment figures for a Model S, then there is a LOT of fuzzy accounting going on to get that number.
 
2014-04-28 01:11:04 PM

Empty H: vpb: I wonder if Elon will contract a sudden case of death soon.  That's a lot of money to take from a big defense contractor.

Why would that happen? I thought people were all about the free market taking advantage of situations like this.


When corporations tout the invisible hand of the free market, what they really mean is an invisible hand to choke their competitors with.
 
2014-04-28 01:15:17 PM
Uh oh.  Gonna run outta Kerbal pictures...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-28 01:24:38 PM

Cpl.D: Uh oh.  Gonna run outta Kerbal pictures...

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Am I the only one that ever does sane looking rockets in KSP?

cloud-4.steampowered.com
 
2014-04-28 01:31:42 PM
Subby: SpaceX can save the government $1B annually. Or about a quarter of NASA's annual budget

Uhhh... subby, NASA's annual budget is about $17B-$18B, maybe a little bit less now with the sequester, but $1B is significantly less than one quarter of NASA's budget.
  Plus, the particular contact SpaceX wants to complete for would be DoD budgeted money, not NASA, because its for defense based launches. The requested DoD budget for next year is $495.6B, so this would save about 0.2% of that budget.
 
2014-04-28 01:33:13 PM

the_sidewinder: Cpl.D: Uh oh.  Gonna run outta Kerbal pictures...

[i.imgur.com image 850x478]

Am I the only one that ever does sane looking rockets in KSP?

[cloud-4.steampowered.com image 850x531]


nah, mine are pretty sane generally, though I haven't gone past the mun with my campaign (did a minmus landing in sandbox a long while ago). I generally stick with a 5 rockomax engine base asparagus-ed (2 stages, 2 drop off at each stage each). That gets me to 100k orbit with a 400 capacity mid-diameter tank up top for a lander (overkill to get to the mun and back) completely full and the single rockomax with the tall tank below that about 2/3 full. If I needed some extra power I could probably get away with adding another 4 engines outside that in an even crazier asparagus arrangement...or throwing a docking port on there somewhere, getting to orbit, and sending up a refueler of some sort.

I got most of the biomes on kerbin science-d out...working on the mun now, then minmus, then beyond :).
 
2014-04-28 01:33:34 PM

Cpl.D: Uh oh.  Gonna run outta Kerbal pictures...


I have no idea why, but these pictures make me laugh. I especially enjoyed the series you posted a few days ago.
 
2014-04-28 01:37:22 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Subby: SpaceX can save the government $1B annually. Or about a quarter of NASA's annual budget

Uhhh... subby, NASA's annual budget is about $17B-$18B, maybe a little bit less now with the sequester, but $1B is significantly less than one quarter of NASA's budget.
  Plus, the particular contact SpaceX wants to complete for would be DoD budgeted money, not NASA, because its for defense based launches. The requested DoD budget for next year is $495.6B, so this would save about 0.2% of that budget.


*sigh* yes, I know that. I was making a mockery of the fact that we've slashed NASA's budget considerably over the last 20 years

jesus, you must be a hoot at parties......
 
2014-04-28 01:42:26 PM
"SpaceX can save U.S. government $1 billion annually"

Or the cost of the JWST in halt the time than it takes to launch the damn thing.
 
2014-04-28 01:42:59 PM
i.imgur.com

Something like that is my base rocket platform to get to the mun, but...if each of those big engines on the bottom are what you'd consider 3 fuel tanks high, my current arrangement is only 2 high. The top there is when I was designing an orbital space station that got about 1/3 built. That was super overkill to get into orbit, but the base platform was originally designed to get to Duna I think and I just kept reusing it because I'm lazy.

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I love how happy Jeb looks that he's the first kerbal on the mun.
 
2014-04-28 01:43:26 PM
Yeah but that would cut into the corporate welfare system we currently have in place.
 
2014-04-28 02:14:27 PM
Stations... forgot to post stations.

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2014-04-28 02:14:55 PM
Wow, you guys totally over-engineer your KSP rockets. I'm no Scott Manley, but I can get to the Mun and Minimus on about half what you are using.

I'm thinking about doing a youtube series for career mode for beginners. My standard path is:

Mission 1: suborbital
Mission 2: orbit Kerbin
Mission 3: orbit Mun
Mission 4: double Mun landing (land in 2 biomes with same craft)
Mission 5: double Minimus landing

From those 5 missions, you have enough parts and experience to continue visiting Mun and Minimus biomes to fully flush out the tech tree.
 
2014-04-28 02:16:59 PM

Dick Gozinya: Wow, you guys totally over-engineer your KSP rockets. I'm no Scott Manley, but I can get to the Mun and Minimus on about half what you are using.


Sure, but for me at least, that just isn't fun.  Everyone else can build more efficiently and sensible than I.  So I lurk the other end of the scale.  I'm not about efficiency.  I'm about spectacle.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-28 02:20:52 PM
Dont get me wrong, spectacle is fun. But too many people think "one is good, one hundred is better!" and then biatch because nothing they build ever works. I've lost track of the number of KSP threads that turn into whine-fests because people dont get that you have to get good at the small stuff first in order to get good at the monstrosities.
 
2014-04-28 02:21:54 PM

Cpl.D: Sure, but for me at least, that just isn't fun. Everyone else can build more efficiently and sensible than I. So I lurk the other end of the scale. I'm not about efficiency. I'm about spectacle.


we call that the Soviet Space Program
 
2014-04-28 02:50:44 PM

Dick Gozinya: Dont get me wrong, spectacle is fun. But too many people think "one is good, one hundred is better!" and then biatch because nothing they build ever works. I've lost track of the number of KSP threads that turn into whine-fests because people dont get that you have to get good at the small stuff first in order to get good at the monstrosities.


Nah, I'm with you. I'm finding my rockets are baffling simple compared to what others are posting "just to get into orbit" when my smaller and much more simple rocket design is getting me to the SURFACE of the Mun before I even need to detach the lander I designed for that purpose.
 
2014-04-28 02:59:05 PM
Custom seperatrons!

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Yeah, buddy!
 
2014-04-28 03:00:50 PM
I too wonder if Mr. Musk has a good personal security team.

He's pissing off a whole lot of rich, powerful people and not just in this country.

SpaceX is teaching us that space exploration post-Apollo was basically a scam.  It never needed to be so expensive. The Delta Clipper was a step in the right direction, until it somehow tipped over on landing (and the announcer knew right then that a landing foot had not deployed) and the project was cancelled.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
2014-04-28 03:04:20 PM
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This is the rocket design I use to get to The Mun and Minmus (and would probably let me at least do a flyby of Duna if I wanted to try it).

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As you can see, it lets me slow down to a safe m/s speed to release the lander right above the surface. I could probably land it as is on the surface, but I'm sure it would fall over.
 
2014-04-28 03:22:10 PM
Here's mine leaving Duna.

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VTC
2014-04-28 03:46:46 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Subby: SpaceX can save the government $1B annually. Or about a quarter of NASA's annual budget

Uhhh... subby, NASA's annual budget is about $17B-$18B, maybe a little bit less now with the sequester, but $1B is significantly less than one quarter of NASA's budget.
  Plus, the particular contact SpaceX wants to complete for would be DoD budgeted money, not NASA, because its for defense based launches. The requested DoD budget for next year is $495.6B, so this would save about 0.2% of that budget.


This.
 
2014-04-28 04:32:58 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: [img.fark.net image 850x637]
This is the rocket design I use to get to The Mun and Minmus (and would probably let me at least do a flyby of Duna if I wanted to try it).

[img.fark.net image 850x637]
As you can see, it lets me slow down to a safe m/s speed to release the lander right above the surface. I could probably land it as is on the surface, but I'm sure it would fall over.


I was having issues with staged rockets being so close...on the second separation during the late stage of the gravity turn, they would fall downward into the main rocket in the middle...so I used the separator with some depth to it instead of using the separator solid boosters (lazy). On my final two separating from the middle rocket, something always blows up, but it hasn't actually blown up the stage yet, so I haven't bothered troubleshooting.
 
2014-04-28 04:43:51 PM
Yeah, I've recently changed the separators to the ones that stick out a little more. I was having issues with them bumping the rocket upon detach.
 
2014-04-28 05:23:46 PM
Evolution of Space threads on FARK:
early days-2006 : barely ever mentioned
2006-2008 : a handful of excellent discussions by informed and passionate space nerds
2008-2011 : WHALERS ON THE MOON LOL
2011-2013 : endless threadshiatting by the space troll who shall not be named
2014 : OMG KERBALS
 
2014-04-28 05:32:39 PM
By changing fonts?
 
2014-04-28 07:27:24 PM

bmckenna: the_sidewinder: Cpl.D: Uh oh.  Gonna run outta Kerbal pictures...

[i.imgur.com image 850x478]

Am I the only one that ever does sane looking rockets in KSP?

[cloud-4.steampowered.com image 850x531]

nah, mine are pretty sane generally, though I haven't gone past the mun with my campaign (did a minmus landing in sandbox a long while ago). I generally stick with a 5 rockomax engine base asparagus-ed (2 stages, 2 drop off at each stage each). That gets me to 100k orbit with a 400 capacity mid-diameter tank up top for a lander (overkill to get to the mun and back) completely full and the single rockomax with the tall tank below that about 2/3 full. If I needed some extra power I could probably get away with adding another 4 engines outside that in an even crazier asparagus arrangement...or throwing a docking port on there somewhere, getting to orbit, and sending up a refueler of some sort.

I got most of the biomes on kerbin science-d out...working on the mun now, then minmus, then beyond :).


wut
 
2014-04-28 08:35:41 PM

farking_texan: 2014 : OMG KERBALS


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-28 08:52:08 PM
Here's hoping Musk can improve that margin even further while avoiding a sudden case of Polonium. On the Kerbal side of the thread, I've been wanting to start a very large project in KSP, a modular space station design intended to eventually turn into an orbiting ring with all segments linked together circling Kerbin/Mun/wherever I want it but have not been able to get off my butt and do it quite yet. Anyone try something similar yet so I can get some hints?
 
2014-04-28 08:59:19 PM

farking_texan: Evolution of Space threads on FARK:
early days-2006 : barely ever mentioned
2006-2008 : a handful of excellent discussions by informed and passionate space nerds
2008-2011 : WHALERS ON THE MOON LOL
2011-2013 : endless threadshiatting by the space troll who shall not be named
2014 : OMG KERBALS


And this is NOT an improvement, how?
 
2014-04-29 12:47:41 AM
Hardly a level playing field. SpaceX didn't have to go through hardly any of the hoops that the major contractors do. That accounts for a HUGE percentage of the costs.

What will be unfair is if they let SpaceX develop their vehicle on the cheap, and then compete it against vehicles that had NASA scrubbing every part and every document, requiring gobs of processes that no contractor would do on their own.
 
2014-04-29 01:27:23 AM
....or 1/87th the budget for food stamps.
 
2014-04-29 02:04:55 AM

Argonreality: Here's hoping Musk can improve that margin even further while avoiding a sudden case of Polonium. On the Kerbal side of the thread, I've been wanting to start a very large project in KSP, a modular space station design intended to eventually turn into an orbiting ring with all segments linked together circling Kerbin/Mun/wherever I want it but have not been able to get off my butt and do it quite yet. Anyone try something similar yet so I can get some hints?


I'm lazy.  I just build them all at once and then launch it.
 
2014-04-29 07:58:04 AM

Argonreality: Here's hoping Musk can improve that margin even further while avoiding a sudden case of Polonium. On the Kerbal side of the thread, I've been wanting to start a very large project in KSP, a modular space station design intended to eventually turn into an orbiting ring with all segments linked together circling Kerbin/Mun/wherever I want it but have not been able to get off my butt and do it quite yet. Anyone try something similar yet so I can get some hints?



If you mean a ring that completely encircles Kerbin, I don't think you can. Others have tried it, I believe, I think KSP kind of loses its shiat when the project gets far along. Also, it would take forever, as even though Kerbin is small it is still substantial, and the largest rocket (according to Whackjob here) is 2.5 km. I doubt that the engine can tolerate so many different velocities in the rocket too.
 
2014-04-29 08:18:13 AM

New Farkin User Name: If you mean a ring that completely encircles Kerbin, I don't think you can. Others have tried it, I believe, I think KSP kind of loses its shiat when the project gets far along. Also, it would take forever, as even though Kerbin is small it is still substantial, and the largest rocket (according to Whackjob here) is 2.5 km. I doubt that the engine can tolerate so many different velocities in the rocket too.


Yeah, that is indeed what I meant. Bit of a bummer there. Was personally thinking of smaller segments though, launched and docked to each other via automated scripting so you just run KSP in the background and a bot/mechjeb does the heavy lifting and orbit unification. Wonder what kinds of mods would be needed to allow a project like that?
 
2014-04-29 09:10:37 AM
Let me know when you need a gas-mining operation on Duna.

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2014-04-29 09:15:03 AM

Cpl.D: Dick Gozinya: Wow, you guys totally over-engineer your KSP rockets. I'm no Scott Manley, but I can get to the Mun and Minimus on about half what you are using.

Sure, but for me at least, that just isn't fun.  Everyone else can build more efficiently and sensible than I.  So I lurk the other end of the scale.  I'm not about efficiency.  I'm about spectacle.

[i.imgur.com image 850x478]


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Well done, sir.  To paraphrase John Fitzgerald Kermin, "We choose to do this and the other things, not because they are easy, but because they look really freakin' cool!"

Seriously, good looking rockets!
 
2014-04-29 04:54:32 PM
i thought duna aerocaptured me last night, turned out it didn't, and I time warped through the encounter.  I qq'ed.  Will try again tonight.
 
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