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2014-04-28 07:51:40 PM  

chitownmike: your train makes a loop and hits Chinatown twice?


NYC has two Chinatowns: one in Manhattan (where you pay a fortune to live in a tiny box) and one in Brooklyn.
 
2014-04-28 07:59:44 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: burnvictim

Awesome, someone actually referencing Wheeler Dealers. Really only one of the only Car Refurbish/Repair shows I really enjoy. No ginned up family drama. Just Ed giving a brief overview of how these things are done and he manages to make it interesting without looking like a total jackass like every other show on Discovery or Speed. Its one of the very few shows I miss since moving to streaming only.


Lots of episodes available on Youtube. :-)

I really like the show precisely for the reason you mentioned: no drama-conflict foolishness. Mike has a sales-y vibe but it's not annoying, and Edd explains the repairs quite clearly. It's a collaborative environment and they work on some nifty cars (like the Isetta). Good stuff.


Yah, that's why WD is great - Edd is a natural teacher.
 
2014-04-28 08:17:43 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: chitownmike: your train makes a loop and hits Chinatown twice?

NYC has two Chinatowns: one in Manhattan (where you pay a fortune to live in a tiny box) and one in Brooklyn.


3, you forgot Flushing Queens
 
2014-04-28 08:19:02 PM  

GRCooper: Englebert Slaptyback: burnvictim

Awesome, someone actually referencing Wheeler Dealers. Really only one of the only Car Refurbish/Repair shows I really enjoy. No ginned up family drama. Just Ed giving a brief overview of how these things are done and he manages to make it interesting without looking like a total jackass like every other show on Discovery or Speed. Its one of the very few shows I miss since moving to streaming only.


Lots of episodes available on Youtube. :-)

I really like the show precisely for the reason you mentioned: no drama-conflict foolishness. Mike has a sales-y vibe but it's not annoying, and Edd explains the repairs quite clearly. It's a collaborative environment and they work on some nifty cars (like the Isetta). Good stuff.

Yah, that's why WD is great - Edd is a natural teacher.


If you enjoy WD, you should track down the early episodes of the "new" Top Gear (about 2001) when it returned after Clarkson quit.  The first new series they had a fat guy who gave used car advice instead of James May, and they had to work to make it look like they had an audience.
 
2014-04-28 08:20:45 PM  

Kanemano: Dwight_Yeast: chitownmike: your train makes a loop and hits Chinatown twice?

NYC has two Chinatowns: one in Manhattan (where you pay a fortune to live in a tiny box) and one in Brooklyn.

3, you forgot Flushing Queens


Three Chinatowns.  Just the three Chinatowns

Fear, surprise...
 
2014-04-28 08:26:12 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Soulcatcher: eeyore102: Not a sitcom, but I do wonder how Sherlock manages to afford his flat on Baker Street. Yes, I know, Mrs. Hudson's cutting him a special deal, but still...and in "His Last Vow" we see that she's in debt so...how does that work, exactly?

Even in the books it says that Sherlock is paying her a princely sum for his rooms. Scotland Yard isn't paying him so...how...?

He makes extra scratch from the private clients he and John take on.

Yup. While they move in together for reasons of economy and a good address, in the books, they're pretty much set from "A Scandal in Bohemia" on, as the king pays Sherlock handsomely. Later on, when Watson comes back to work on cases, he says that he can leave his practice on Harley St for days at a time.

In the new Sherlock series, the explanation is that Mrs Hudson is willing to rent to the two of them at well below market rate because Sherlock got her husband convicted and executed in Florida. Also, Baker St is less desirable as a place to live than it was a century ago.


I got the impression from the stories that Holmes was some kind of Scottish nobility, possibly illegitimate.

I have no idea where I got that idea.
 
2014-04-28 08:26:24 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: The Cosby show's townhouse always bugged me. How could they afford it? Neither adult seemed to be at thier practice


I remember back in the 80s watching The Cosby Show, whenever they showed them eating some chips or drinking a soda, it was always some made up generic crap. I remember thinking how ridiculous it was that a fairly wealthy family like that couldn't afford name brand snacks. To me that's more distracting than showing someone eating/drinking a name brand product.

/CoCo Dots
 
2014-04-28 08:28:35 PM  

exvaxman: During the run of Married With Children I remember a writer stating that the house was supposed to be located in Hoffman Estates, Il. A bundy comic book stated that the house was in Schaumburg, the next town over.


Not even. Deerfield, no way.  Hoffman Estates - very unlikely.  More like Streamwood.  Definitely Elgin.
 
2014-04-28 08:34:02 PM  

Riotboy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Cosby show's townhouse always bugged me. How could they afford it? Neither adult seemed to be at thier practice

I remember back in the 80s watching The Cosby Show, whenever they showed them eating some chips or drinking a soda, it was always some made up generic crap. I remember thinking how ridiculous it was that a fairly wealthy family like that couldn't afford name brand snacks. To me that's more distracting than showing someone eating/drinking a name brand product.


I've been listening to the real Bill Cosby and I saw him live just a few weeks ago.

On "200 MPH:" "I had a Rolls Royce.  Cost $19.000"  When the custom 200MPH Cobra from Carol Shelby is delivered, "My houseman tells me the guy is downstairs."
This is was the late 1960s.

Now. He lets it slip, "Chef asked me what I wanted to serve..."
 
2014-04-28 08:38:45 PM  

spman: Was it ever explained on Seinfeld how Kramer managed to afford to live in Manhattan despite having seemingly zero income for the majority of the show?


Massive settlement for brain injury.
 
2014-04-28 08:45:39 PM  

Riotboy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Cosby show's townhouse always bugged me. How could they afford it? Neither adult seemed to be at thier practice

I remember back in the 80s watching The Cosby Show, whenever they showed them eating some chips or drinking a soda, it was always some made up generic crap. I remember thinking how ridiculous it was that a fairly wealthy family like that couldn't afford name brand snacks. To me that's more distracting than showing someone eating/drinking a name brand product.

/CoCo Dots


Its because the show would have to pay the food companies money for use of their logos.

All tv shows do this. They have just gotten better at the mock food labels.
 
2014-04-28 08:46:02 PM  

Target Builder: Homer Simpson is pulling in almost $80k?

And Don Draper was on a ton more than $150k , his living room is probably 1000 square feet and he got (IIRC) $500,000 in 1960's cash for his share of Stirling Cooper. He could afford a pretty nice pad..


Homer's a safety inspector at a nuke plant. It would be about twice that if he could get the same title elsewhere.
 
2014-04-28 09:07:11 PM  

MFAWG: I got the impression from the stories that Holmes was some kind of Scottish nobility, possibly illegitimate.

I have no idea where I got that idea.


That's James Bond and it's actually something Fleming wrote into series as a nod to Connery.  At the end of one of the books, he has Bond retire and plan to return to his ancestral home.  They used it for Skyfall.

Conan Doyle was Anglo-Scottish; his father was English but he was born in Scotland.  He left the Holmes' origins mysterious, but both were clearly well-educated,  though privately.  Mycroft holding the sort of nebulous position he does suggests that the family was highly placed, and his club-based lifestyle is that of a gentleman of leisure.

Sherlock on the other hand, apparently needs money at least at the beginning, as he has specifically been looking for someone to share his rooms with.  Dr Watson being a retired, invalided army surgeon would have received a pension which gave him a reasonable set income.  He only goes back into seeing patients  after he marries and sets up household.
 
2014-04-28 09:30:17 PM  

shortymac: Riotboy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Cosby show's townhouse always bugged me. How could they afford it? Neither adult seemed to be at thier practice

I remember back in the 80s watching The Cosby Show, whenever they showed them eating some chips or drinking a soda, it was always some made up generic crap. I remember thinking how ridiculous it was that a fairly wealthy family like that couldn't afford name brand snacks. To me that's more distracting than showing someone eating/drinking a name brand product.

/CoCo Dots

Its because the show would have to pay the food companies money for use of their logos.

All tv shows do this. They have just gotten better at the mock food labels.


it works exactly the opposite of the way you think it does
 
2014-04-28 09:34:38 PM  

mcreadyblue: Sin_City_Superhero: mcreadyblue: Fiero, LOL!

Can you explain your humor or disdain (I can't tell which one you are exhibiting)? Is there a problem with the Fiero?

Dr Jack Badofsky: Those are actually neat little cars! Stereo speakers in the headrests, they weren't bad on gas, the GTs were sporty little things (for a "commuter car"), and they looked good (the later ones moreso). I'd love to own a 2M6 or a GT with a stick shift.

Mine's an '86 GT, with a '95 Camaro engine (3.4 Liter V-6) and a 4-speed automatic transmission out of a '93 Bonneville. I need to raise it back up some because the previous owner lowered it too much. But it'll pass anything except a gas station...

Problem?

I seem to remember it was a basket case of engine and electrical issues. Typical poorly built GM product of the 80's. Never thought of it being a collectors car.


Actually, it was only the earliest '84's that got a bad batch of connecting rods that, when they failed, broke through the oil pan, spraying oil on the catalytic converter.

There was an incredibly minor percentage of Fieros involved, but it's easy to stigmatize an innovative, idea-driven car.

I own 2 '88's, a 4-cyl Coupe with nearly 300K miles on the original engine and drivetrain, and an '88 Formula with close to 250K on it on which I had an Automoda convertible conversion kit (one of about 35 in existence) installed.

The more Fiero haters there are out there, the more (and better selection of) cars and parts out there for those of us who know better...
 
2014-04-28 09:44:27 PM  

chitownmike: shortymac: Riotboy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Cosby show's townhouse always bugged me. How could they afford it? Neither adult seemed to be at thier practice

I remember back in the 80s watching The Cosby Show, whenever they showed them eating some chips or drinking a soda, it was always some made up generic crap. I remember thinking how ridiculous it was that a fairly wealthy family like that couldn't afford name brand snacks. To me that's more distracting than showing someone eating/drinking a name brand product.

/CoCo Dots

Its because the show would have to pay the food companies money for use of their logos.

All tv shows do this. They have just gotten better at the mock food labels.

it works exactly the opposite of the way you think it does


Cosby was also a major (read: expensive) spokesman for Jell-o at the time, so Kraft may well had a block-out in their contract with him that he couldn't be pictured with any other food product.

Cosby has always been an amazingly smart businessman.  Starting with I spy, he's owned a piece of everything he's done.  He realized that the record companies were screwing him on his comedy albums, so he started his own label, and put out all sorts of wild stuff no one else would touch.

While the food labels were fake, the art in the Huxtable living room was all high-quality repros of pieces Cosby actually owns. He did it so the artist got paid by NBC for rights reproductions.
 
2014-04-28 09:54:01 PM  

bungle_jr: Yanks_RSJ: groppet: IIRC the episode where the plant was going to melt down Smithers and Burns were talking about Homer being hired under Operation Bootstrap. Mr. Burns thanked president Ford for that plan.

[www.randomlicious.org image 720x480]

so, $11/hr. but what season was that? show started in 87, and $11/hr back then was pretty good money.


It wasn't great money but I fed and clothed a family of three on it in 87.
 
2014-04-28 09:59:20 PM  

clkeagle: Yeah, Friends was an odd choice for the article. They mentioned the big apartment being rent controlled several times per season, and Chandler said a few times that he could easily afford to live alone.

I'm also not convinced the Bundy house was nearly as large as TFA suggests. Perspective on the sound stage made the living room and kitchen look big, but the dialog always suggested otherwise. The upstairs bedrooms all seemed to be pretty small. I never imagined it to be more than 1100 sq ft or so.


Looked like about 2600 sqft to me.  I had basically the same house but with the garage on the other side.  Interior layout was obviously different but it was about 1300 sqft per floor, not counting the basement.    Houses back then had hallways coming through the front door with an opening to the formal living room.  The end of the hallway was at the kitchen and had a door on it so you could hide the mess.  My realtor had to explain that one to me.
 
2014-04-28 10:03:54 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Kanemano: Dwight_Yeast: chitownmike: your train makes a loop and hits Chinatown twice?

NYC has two Chinatowns: one in Manhattan (where you pay a fortune to live in a tiny box) and one in Brooklyn.

3, you forgot Flushing Queens

Three Chinatowns.  Just the three Chinatowns

Fear, surprise...


Forget it, Jake.
 
2014-04-28 10:15:59 PM  

Li'l Robbie: The only apartment-dwellers on TV who lived in one even remotely resembling those most
Americans live in were Ralph and Alice Kramden.


7thhouseontheleft.com
 
2014-04-28 10:21:51 PM  

LZeitgeist: mcreadyblue: Sin_City_Superhero: mcreadyblue: Fiero, LOL!

Can you explain your humor or disdain (I can't tell which one you are exhibiting)? Is there a problem with the Fiero?

Dr Jack Badofsky: Those are actually neat little cars! Stereo speakers in the headrests, they weren't bad on gas, the GTs were sporty little things (for a "commuter car"), and they looked good (the later ones moreso). I'd love to own a 2M6 or a GT with a stick shift.

Mine's an '86 GT, with a '95 Camaro engine (3.4 Liter V-6) and a 4-speed automatic transmission out of a '93 Bonneville. I need to raise it back up some because the previous owner lowered it too much. But it'll pass anything except a gas station...

Problem?

I seem to remember it was a basket case of engine and electrical issues. Typical poorly built GM product of the 80's. Never thought of it being a collectors car.

Actually, it was only the earliest '84's that got a bad batch of connecting rods that, when they failed, broke through the oil pan, spraying oil on the catalytic converter.

There was an incredibly minor percentage of Fieros involved, but it's easy to stigmatize an innovative, idea-driven car.

I own 2 '88's, a 4-cyl Coupe with nearly 300K miles on the original engine and drivetrain, and an '88 Formula with close to 250K on it on which I had an Automoda convertible conversion kit (one of about 35 in existence) installed.

The more Fiero haters there are out there, the more (and better selection of) cars and parts out there for those of us who know better...


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-28 10:26:09 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: The more Fiero haters there are out there, the more (and better selection of) cars and parts out there for those of us who know better...


"One time I saw two guys kissing in the park and I thought it was the gayest thing I'd ever seen, Then I saw that pic."

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-28 10:30:46 PM  

Mugato: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: The more Fiero haters there are out there, the more (and better selection of) cars and parts out there for those of us who know better...

"One time I saw two guys kissing in the park and I thought it was the gayest thing I'd ever seen, Then I saw that pic."

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 223x226]


Hey, it could have been worse:  A Cadillac Cimarron.
 
2014-04-28 10:32:39 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Li'l Robbie: The only apartment-dwellers on TV who lived in one even remotely resembling those most
Americans live in were Ralph and Alice Kramden.

[7thhouseontheleft.com image 520x353]


I grew up with a lot of furniture like that.

/And my Dad (when young) looked like a cross between Ricky Ricardo and Tyrone Power.
 
2014-04-28 10:34:02 PM  

LZeitgeist: mcreadyblue: Sin_City_Superhero: mcreadyblue: Fiero, LOL!

Can you explain your humor or disdain (I can't tell which one you are exhibiting)? Is there a problem with the Fiero?

Dr Jack Badofsky: Those are actually neat little cars! Stereo speakers in the headrests, they weren't bad on gas, the GTs were sporty little things (for a "commuter car"), and they looked good (the later ones moreso). I'd love to own a 2M6 or a GT with a stick shift.

Mine's an '86 GT, with a '95 Camaro engine (3.4 Liter V-6) and a 4-speed automatic transmission out of a '93 Bonneville. I need to raise it back up some because the previous owner lowered it too much. But it'll pass anything except a gas station...

Problem?

I seem to remember it was a basket case of engine and electrical issues. Typical poorly built GM product of the 80's. Never thought of it being a collectors car.

Actually, it was only the earliest '84's that got a bad batch of connecting rods that, when they failed, broke through the oil pan, spraying oil on the catalytic converter.

There was an incredibly minor percentage of Fieros involved, but it's easy to stigmatize an innovative, idea-driven car.

I own 2 '88's, a 4-cyl Coupe with nearly 300K miles on the original engine and drivetrain, and an '88 Formula with close to 250K on it on which I had an Automoda convertible conversion kit (one of about 35 in existence) installed.

The more Fiero haters there are out there, the more (and better selection of) cars and parts out there for those of us who know better...


if a grown man can't fit in it, it's not a real car
 
2014-04-28 10:59:14 PM  

Wireless Joe: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x270]
Probably accurate for a couple of  bottle cappers in the time and place (late '50s Milwaukee) if they were union, but no way a couple of gift-wrappers at a department store could afford this place in Burbank.
[www.dvdtalk.com image 400x300]


Man, I hated that show after they moved out to California. Why the fark did EVERYONE follow them?
 
2014-04-28 11:06:01 PM  

katerbug72: Man, I hated that show after they moved out to California. Why the fark did EVERYONE follow them?


Sam Kinison could explain it.  http://rumored.com/music/reviews/Sam-Kinison/
 
2014-04-28 11:17:20 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Mugato: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: The more Fiero haters there are out there, the more (and better selection of) cars and parts out there for those of us who know better...

"One time I saw two guys kissing in the park and I thought it was the gayest thing I'd ever seen, Then I saw that pic."

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 223x226]

Hey, it could have been worse:  A Cadillac Cimarron.


Originally it was "Cimarron by Cadillac", not a Cadillac Cimarron.
 
2014-04-28 11:29:07 PM  

Li'l Robbie: The only apartment-dwellers on TV who lived in one even remotely resembling those most
Americans live in were Ralph and Alice Kramden.


Lucy and Ricky's apartment wasn't outrageous
 
2014-04-29 12:54:52 AM  

Gig103: How about Penny living across the hall? Even a one-bedroom would be probably 2/3 the $1700 estimate, so $1100/mo on a waitress salary?


Probably why she sleeps around, eats their food, uses their wifi and borrows money from them.

Ted usually has roommates in his apartment, so I'm not sure why he was listed alone.

Also the Bundy house taking up all their money makes sense, that's why they never had food on the show.
 
2014-04-29 12:55:32 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Dr Jack Badofsky: Mugato: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: The more Fiero haters there are out there, the more (and better selection of) cars and parts out there for those of us who know better...

"One time I saw two guys kissing in the park and I thought it was the gayest thing I'd ever seen, Then I saw that pic."

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 223x226]

Hey, it could have been worse:  A Cadillac Cimarron.

Originally it was "Cimarron by Cadillac", not a Cadillac Cimarron.


A turd by any other name....
 
2014-04-29 01:27:34 AM  

peacheslatour: In what universe does a construction worker and a waitress living in bumfark Lanford Il. make a combined income of $5,300. a month in the 1990's?


Apparently in the same one where a supermarket manager and a real estate agent in a Philadelphia suburb make a combined $11,700 per month.

It seems like they're assuming the absolute highest possible income in a given field. Boy Meets World never (to my recollection) gave the impression that Amy Mathews was selling multi-million dollar mansions or commercial properties. But if she was then I could believe that she and a supermarket manager could consistently pull down that kind of money.
 
2014-04-29 01:50:59 AM  
Author is high if he thinks the Bundy house is so much more expensive than Roseanne's house.
 
2014-04-29 02:17:48 AM  

chitownmike: if a grown man can't fit in it, it's not a real car


When I was a kid I took the bus to school.  The guy who had the house next to the bus stop had a Fiero.  He was also close to 400 lbs.  He managed to fit into it.

My aunt had one.  She hit the gas "accidentally" while making, slammed into the car in front of her and totaled it.
 
2014-04-29 05:21:21 AM  
i.imgur.com
13,5 and a free trailer.
 
2014-04-29 06:17:24 AM  

luidprand: Ow! That was my feelings!: Concerning Friends, I think the lack of minorities in New York was more obviously clueless than 'how can they afford their apartment'.

You know, that always bothered me, until I found out that New York is the most racially segregated city in America.

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-census-maps-20 13 -4?op=1
http://gothamist.com/2014/04/15/nyc_segregation_map.php#


While the conclusions one makes about segregation of population is disheartening/interesting, the maps themselves are neat and clear visualizations of the census data they come from.  Then I realized how densely populated some of those cities are and it makes me twitch.
 
2014-04-29 06:53:18 AM  

clkeagle: Yeah, Friends was an odd choice for the article. They mentioned the big apartment being rent controlled several times per season, and Chandler said a few times that he could easily afford to live alone.


But after he and Monica got married, he lost his job, and they were instantly broke.

/ didn't care for the last couple seasons of the show because the writing got stupider and weirder
 
2014-04-29 06:59:58 AM  

chitownmike: LZeitgeist: mcreadyblue: Sin_City_Superhero: mcreadyblue: Fiero, LOL!

Can you explain your humor or disdain (I can't tell which one you are exhibiting)? Is there a problem with the Fiero?

Dr Jack Badofsky: Those are actually neat little cars! Stereo speakers in the headrests, they weren't bad on gas, the GTs were sporty little things (for a "commuter car"), and they looked good (the later ones moreso). I'd love to own a 2M6 or a GT with a stick shift.

Mine's an '86 GT, with a '95 Camaro engine (3.4 Liter V-6) and a 4-speed automatic transmission out of a '93 Bonneville. I need to raise it back up some because the previous owner lowered it too much. But it'll pass anything except a gas station...

Problem?

I seem to remember it was a basket case of engine and electrical issues. Typical poorly built GM product of the 80's. Never thought of it being a collectors car.

Actually, it was only the earliest '84's that got a bad batch of connecting rods that, when they failed, broke through the oil pan, spraying oil on the catalytic converter.

There was an incredibly minor percentage of Fieros involved, but it's easy to stigmatize an innovative, idea-driven car.

I own 2 '88's, a 4-cyl Coupe with nearly 300K miles on the original engine and drivetrain, and an '88 Formula with close to 250K on it on which I had an Automoda convertible conversion kit (one of about 35 in existence) installed.

The more Fiero haters there are out there, the more (and better selection of) cars and parts out there for those of us who know better...

if a grown man can't fit in it, it's not a real car


I'm 6'2" and have no trouble. You must be right.
 
2014-04-29 07:12:23 AM  
Yeah, the 30% figure has some problems :  It works really well when you talk about people who make modest salaries outside major cities, but there are a few situations where it stops making 'sense'

1. When the person makes double or triple the area median average income. (Frasier)
2. When the person Lives in an urban core, where the Rent is either an investment into future earnings  (most young people) and it displaces other costs (like cars, gasoline and insurance)

That being said, there are also apartments in NYC where they want renters to be earning 30x the current rent or 70x the current monthly rent to qualify.
 
2014-04-29 09:35:33 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: mcreadyblue: Fiero, LOL!

Can you explain your humor or disdain (I can't tell which one you are exhibiting)? Is there a problem with the Fiero?

Dr Jack Badofsky: Those are actually neat little cars! Stereo speakers in the headrests, they weren't bad on gas, the GTs were sporty little things (for a "commuter car"), and they looked good (the later ones moreso). I'd love to own a 2M6 or a GT with a stick shift.

Mine's an '86 GT, with a '95 Camaro engine (3.4 Liter V-6) and a 4-speed automatic transmission out of a '93 Bonneville. I need to raise it back up some because the previous owner lowered it too much. But it'll pass anything except a gas station...


Here's mine...

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-29 11:05:52 AM  

rubi_con_man: That being said, there are also apartments in NYC where they want renters to be earning 30x the current rent or 70x the current monthly rent to qualify.


Co-Op buildings in Manhattan are famous for this: the usual rule of thumb is that the board wants to see liquid assets in excess of four times the asking price PLUS the asking price.  With apartments on Park and Fifth regularly selling for $50 million, that means the buyers have $250 million in cash, if not more.

To make things more fun, you can't get a bank to write a mortgage on a co-op, as you're buying a share of the company which owns the building, not a tangible piece of real estate like a condo or house, so you can't borrow the money to buy and you can't borrow against the asset.
 
2014-04-29 11:18:05 AM  

chitownmike: shortymac: Riotboy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Cosby show's townhouse always bugged me. How could they afford it? Neither adult seemed to be at thier practice

I remember back in the 80s watching The Cosby Show, whenever they showed them eating some chips or drinking a soda, it was always some made up generic crap. I remember thinking how ridiculous it was that a fairly wealthy family like that couldn't afford name brand snacks. To me that's more distracting than showing someone eating/drinking a name brand product.

/CoCo Dots

Its because the show would have to pay the food companies money for use of their logos.

All tv shows do this. They have just gotten better at the mock food labels.

it works exactly the opposite of the way you think it does


It does now.  It didn't then.
 
2014-04-29 11:31:08 AM  
Mikey1969:

The thing that has always mystified me about being an architect is where do you start? Do the elevations get done before the foundation?

I could totally get into studying architecture though I love cool buildings and Art Deco is one of my favorite things in the world..



The "pieces" all get designed at the same time (elevations, plans, sections, etc), and are all developed simultaneously from a very rough concept/diagram, and it gets refined over and over till you reach a "finished product"

Think of it like painting. An artist doesn't start at one corner of a blank canvas and work their way over. They pencil out the whole thing first, then add base colors everywhere, then primary colors everywhere, then shade/shadow/highlights and finally touch-ups.

Same with architecture. You draw out the whole thing, first just with simple lines that define all the spaces and building volume, then assignment of accessory spaces (circulation {horizontal and vertical}, service rooms, utility areas, etc) then you put in approximate locations of doors and windows, then pick materials, then pick finishes. all the while, things get tweaked the whole time (walls move, windows added or removed, etc).


And yeah, Art Deco is cool. Lots of architects still like Art Deco. But nobody builds Art Deco. Builders don't want to pay for what real Art Deco requires, and 90% of the ignorant population would just think it "it looks old, why would they build an old building?"
 
2014-04-29 11:53:12 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: mcreadyblue: Fiero, LOL!


Can you explain your humor or disdain (I can't tell which one you are exhibiting)? Is there a problem with the Fiero?


They got a bad reputation when they started catching on fire.
 
2014-04-29 12:00:32 PM  

LemSkroob: Mikey1969:

The thing that has always mystified me about being an architect is where do you start? Do the elevations get done before the foundation?

I could totally get into studying architecture though I love cool buildings and Art Deco is one of my favorite things in the world..


The "pieces" all get designed at the same time (elevations, plans, sections, etc), and are all developed simultaneously from a very rough concept/diagram, and it gets refined over and over till you reach a "finished product"

Think of it like painting. An artist doesn't start at one corner of a blank canvas and work their way over. They pencil out the whole thing first, then add base colors everywhere, then primary colors everywhere, then shade/shadow/highlights and finally touch-ups.

Same with architecture. You draw out the whole thing, first just with simple lines that define all the spaces and building volume, then assignment of accessory spaces (circulation {horizontal and vertical}, service rooms, utility areas, etc) then you put in approximate locations of doors and windows, then pick materials, then pick finishes. all the while, things get tweaked the whole time (walls move, windows added or removed, etc).


And yeah, Art Deco is cool. Lots of architects still like Art Deco. But nobody builds Art Deco. Builders don't want to pay for what real Art Deco requires, and 90% of the ignorant population would just think it "it looks old, why would they build an old building?"


Cool... I've sat down a few times and thought that I would develop my "dream house", and then realized I didn't know where to start, had no idea what standard room sizes were, and no idea how big of a footprint an average house took up... There is obviously a reason people get paid to do this. :-)

And I almost wet myself when I saw this building in Vancouver on vacation one year. The elevators have such beautiful woodwork in them, I can spot them on movies, even though I was only there once. And yeah, the buildings are too 'grand' for me to picture someone paying for one now.

http://www.greatervancouverparks.com/355BurrardPhotos.html
 
2014-04-29 12:42:27 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: They have enough parts that they've built DeLoreans from scratch.  The guys in Texas actually bought out DMC when it was in bankruptcy; they are the auto maker at this point.


They probably can't legally build one completely from scratch, as there's no way a DeLorean meets model year 2014 pollution and safety standards.  But they could certainly take a completely totaled one and replace 90%+ of the parts to it, giving you what is effectively a new car.
 
2014-04-29 12:48:40 PM  

Riotboy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Cosby show's townhouse always bugged me. How could they afford it? Neither adult seemed to be at thier practice

I remember back in the 80s watching The Cosby Show, whenever they showed them eating some chips or drinking a soda, it was always some made up generic crap. I remember thinking how ridiculous it was that a fairly wealthy family like that couldn't afford name brand snacks. To me that's more distracting than showing someone eating/drinking a name brand product.

/CoCo Dots


As an above poster stated, it was because using name brands would be more complicated. This was also in the 80's, so product placement wasn't as prevalent as it is now. Plus, Cosby may have wanted to avoid that, not wanting real-life products to distract from the show. So in reality, these were name brand products, just ones we'd never heard of.

Of course, I can also see Cliff Huxtable deliberately choosing the generic options to both save money (he was notoriously thrifty) and keep the children from getting spoiled. If they wanted name brand, they could buy it themselves. But with Cliff being such an avid food-lover, I can see his resolve breaking quickly when he sees the amazing name-brand salty snack that his wife and doctor want him to stay far away from.
 
2014-04-29 12:49:55 PM  

Kanemano: Telos: spman: Was it ever explained on Seinfeld how Kramer managed to afford to live in Manhattan despite having seemingly zero income for the majority of the show?

Haha... please.

You forget all three guys are based on actual people, Jerry on himself George on Larry David and Kramer on Kenny Kramer who was their neighbor and they couldn't answer that question in real life living next to the guy so


The jokes on you, I didn't forget that because I never knew it! ;)

i was really just making a joke in reference to another show though...
 
2014-04-29 01:08:23 PM  

Geotpf: Dwight_Yeast: They have enough parts that they've built DeLoreans from scratch.  The guys in Texas actually bought out DMC when it was in bankruptcy; they are the auto maker at this point.

They probably can't legally build one completely from scratch, as there's no way a DeLorean meets model year 2014 pollution and safety standards.  But they could certainly take a completely totaled one and replace 90%+ of the parts to it, giving you what is effectively a new car.


Well, that's the fun thing: they have chassis assembled in 1981, so they can build cars and title them as 1981 vehicles.  But  it looks like mostly what they do is refurbish old cars.  They do have one listed with 77 miles on it, which is super-low.

Check them out:

http://delorean.com/

DeLorean had enough parts produced to build many more cars than are out there on the roads.  He learned from Malcolm Tucker and figured out how to source the parts (getting parts is what killed Tucker).  Delorean's problem was labor issues at the factory in Northern Ireland; in was 1980 and his workforce spent more time on strike than it did working.
 
2014-04-29 01:58:01 PM  
The ABSOLUTE worst case of this is Homeland....Sgt. Brody on enlisted military income (a single income at that) living right outside DC (presumably in McClean or somewhere similar) In fairly large, nice neighborhood. i dont think so. Also why the hell do they even live there? There are really no deployable marine units based out of that area at all....

Of course this is all season 1 before he becomes president of the CIA or the world or whatever the hell happens later.....
 
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