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(Opposing Views)   College student denied admission to college for truthfully answering the question, "What is the most important thing to you?" In other news, apparently you can be denied admission to a community college   (opposingviews.com) divider line 211
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2014-04-28 11:23:57 AM  
Yup. They denied him because of his faith. Had absolutely nothing to do with his crappy GPA or his criminal record.
 
2014-04-28 11:25:04 AM  
or maybe it was his lower than average GPA and a 10-year-old criminal charge?
 
2014-04-28 11:29:53 AM  
Brandon Jenkins is suing the Community College of Baltimore County (CCBC) because he was allegedly not accepted into a program based on his religious views.

This is an outra-

The ACLJ claims that Dougherty also told Jenkins that his 3.2 GPA was lower than other potential students and that a 10-year-old criminal charge on Jenkins's record could make it difficult to find a job in this field.

...
never mind.
 
2014-04-28 11:30:22 AM  
If they denied him because of his religion, whatever that religion is, he should be immediately accepted and all parties involved should be fired.  But somehow, I doubt it had anything at all to do with his religion.  Just a hunch.
 
2014-04-28 11:48:14 AM  
Ah, the Community College of Baltimore, Catonsville Campus - the good ol' CCBCC (like a typical student's report card).

Also, while a radiation tech's personal religious views probably won't crop up often, the type of person who answers an interview-type question about what is most important with "My god" (and not "My god, what an inane question!") is more likely to be insufferable about it.

// I'd hope the interviewer went on to inquire whether that dogma leads to more inquiry (a la Kepler) or less (a la Ham), but that might be asking too much of a community college interview
 
2014-04-28 12:00:08 PM  
"The problem is that you have a guy who is qualified in all areas, and in the rejection letter, they single out his faith as a reason for his rejection. That's just flatly unlawful," ACLJ Senior Counsel David French told The Christian Post.

So was it in the letter or was it that Jenkins was later told by Adrienne Dougherty, director and coordinator of the radiation therapy program, so it is not on the record?  I think that if it was on the record, of course, this case would have been settled about 10 minutes after the lawyer contacted the admissions department.  "We did what?  And you have it in writing?  Well let's just deal with that right now before you contact the media."

Theaetetus: The ACLJ claims that Dougherty also told Jenkins that his 3.2 GPA was lower than other potential students and that a 10-year-old criminal charge on Jenkins's record could make it difficult to find a job in this field.

...never mind.


Charged (not stated as a conviction) 10 years ago and there's still no chance of him getting a job.  Yeah, retribution!  Take that, suspect!
 
2014-04-28 12:11:38 PM  
This person might be what people call "home school smart."
 
2014-04-28 01:05:22 PM  
He shouldn't have gotten all Jesusy, but the college is right. No allied health program is going too take in people with mediocre GPAs and criminal records, if you have any record you won't be able to go near patients.
 
2014-04-28 01:12:01 PM  
Jesus forgave him. Why can't the college?
 
2014-04-28 01:13:08 PM  
Is there a non-opposing view version of the story?
 
2014-04-28 01:13:40 PM  
Unless that GPA is on a 5.0 scale, a 3.2 GPA isn't half bad. That is better than a B average. 

Especially for a community college
 
2014-04-28 01:13:50 PM  
Good.
 
2014-04-28 01:14:39 PM  

Via Infinito: Yup. They denied him because of his faith. Had absolutely nothing to do with his crappy GPA or his criminal record.


Oh yeah, the ACLG.org website TFA) is totally non-biased.  Some of their headlines:

"Angry Atheists take on Football Coach"
"Victory for Religious Speech in Texas"
"Accountability of Abortion Industry"
 
2014-04-28 01:15:27 PM  

Chabash: Is there a non-opposing view version of the story?


Yup!

Non OV Link
 
2014-04-28 01:15:33 PM  
If, and that's a big fat IF, everything here is true than the admissions officer is a complete moron and will never get a better gig than at a crappy community college.  There's enough evidence not to admit this person because of the GPA and criminal record.  You may not like the Jesus worship, but in 2014 you should know enough by now not to opine and open that can of worms.  Some things are best left unsaid.
 
2014-04-28 01:16:30 PM  
3.2 GPA is below average?

Obvious the kid isn't very bright. If you're border line getting into the program you need to tell the interviewer what they need to hear. Unless it's a religious school you don't answer god. And you don't answer "'cause doctors get all the chicks" or "I want to make my first million before I'm 30". Just give the old beauty pageant answer of world peace.
 
2014-04-28 01:17:11 PM  
Sounds like they did skippy a favor. No medical practice or hospital of any repute is going to take someone with a criminal record. Especially if the applicant isn't upfront about it.
 
2014-04-28 01:17:45 PM  
"We have many patients who come to us for treatment from many different religions and some who believe in nothing at all. If you interview in the future, you may want to leave your thoughts and beliefs out of the interview process," Dougherty reportedly said

I work in the field, and I work with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Agnostics and Atheists.

I take great pride that we all work together to treat sick Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Agnostics and Atheist patients.

For some reason though, it is the Christians employees only that try to convert the others by placing messages in the break room.

go figure
 
2014-04-28 01:17:52 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: or maybe it was his lower than average GPA and a 10-year-old criminal charge?


What community college has a 3.2 GPA as below-average? It's a community college, not Harvard
 
2014-04-28 01:18:13 PM  
No, he just lacked focus.

No, scratch that, this picture is out of focus. NO! You're out of focus!

img.opposingviews.com
 
2014-04-28 01:18:45 PM  

KidneyStone: "Accountability of Abortion Industry"


As a serious investor in Abortoworks Inc, I absolutely demand accountability. We have quarterly numbers to hit and the sluts are starting to carry the little bundles of joy to term. You're damn right that there's outrage.
 
2014-04-28 01:18:45 PM  
fundies riding his cock in 3... 2... 1...
 
2014-04-28 01:18:49 PM  
STFU about your imaginary friends if you want anyone to take you seriously.
 
2014-04-28 01:20:00 PM  
I'm not sure I follow.
Charge = criminal record?

Outside of the legal system, why should there even be any type of accessible record of what a person's been charged with? Or why is that a relevant question?

Is getting charged now enough to ruin someone's life?

Would they rather the guy lied?
Maybe he was in a bad stretch in his life and faith turned that around and he is thankful and answered the question sincerely.


And if someone can explain, is that GPA on a 4 point system? Because 3.2 out of 4 doesn't sound that bad to me.
 
2014-04-28 01:20:12 PM  

machoprogrammer: AliceBToklasLives: or maybe it was his lower than average GPA and a 10-year-old criminal charge?

What community college has a 3.2 GPA as below-average? It's a community college, not Harvard


The GPA is low for the program at the community college  he is trying to enter, not low for the community college at large
 
2014-04-28 01:20:46 PM  
Ahhh, Fark's favorite kind of bigotry.....
 
2014-04-28 01:21:07 PM  
He just had the wrong answer. he didn't even mention the lamentations of the women.
 
2014-04-28 01:21:30 PM  
What scale are they using in Maryland? 4.0 is "perfect" and 3.2 is really bad?So all B's and one A means non college.
 
2014-04-28 01:21:43 PM  
The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ),

It's like the Foundation for Law And Government, but without the talking car.
 
2014-04-28 01:22:14 PM  

machoprogrammer: Unless that GPA is on a 5.0 scale, a 3.2 GPA isn't half bad. That is better than a B average. 

Especially for a community college


It kind of depends what school you came from and what school you are applying to.

For example, I went to private catholic schools till I graduated high school. I had about 20 schools send me acceptance letters; despite not applying to those schools. But, then again, I went to Kstate. Pretty much, as long as you are a Kansas resident and can fill out the forms; you're in.
 
2014-04-28 01:23:12 PM  

machoprogrammer: Unless that GPA is on a 5.0 scale, a 3.2 GPA isn't half bad. That is better than a B average. 

Especially for a community college


Some of these community college technical programs (like respiratory therapy and radiation therapy) have limited spots and are quite picky about their applicants.

These programs aren't like going to CC for intro to word processing.
 
2014-04-28 01:23:55 PM  

dentalhilljack: If, and that's a big fat IF, everything here is true than the admissions officer is a complete moron and will never get a better gig than at a crappy community college.  There's enough evidence not to admit this person because of the GPA and criminal record.  You may not like the Jesus worship, but in 2014 you should know enough by now not to opine and open that can of worms.  Some things are best left unsaid.


I'm wondering if the admissions person told him to tone down the God talk thinking she was doing him a favor, trying to help him next time he applies anywhere. The GPA and criminal charge might have been the real reason, and she was trying to help him by saying that the God talk won't be doing him any favors in the medical field. She meant it as a helpful suggestion.

I can also see the plaintiff deciding that his failure to be admitted wasn't his fault at all, but rather 100% because the admissions officer was bigoted against him because he dared to talk about his faith.

Of course, if the actual rejection letter cited his faith as a reason, that's another thing altogether. ("That's another thing.")
 
2014-04-28 01:24:17 PM  
So he was actually denied because his grades weren't up to par compared to other applicants and he has a criminal record that might compromise his chances in the chosen field...

... but he wrote "God" on his application therefore he's being persecuted?

Shut up and go fill my fry order you rotten little miscreant.
 
2014-04-28 01:24:50 PM  
Perhaps this fine young man should take a communication class. If he answered the question "God" I doubt anyone would have thought much of it. But he gave the answer "my God" which is considerably more ambiguous. for all anyone knows that could be what he calls his penis.
 
2014-04-28 01:25:04 PM  

TNel: What scale are they using in Maryland? 4.0 is "perfect" and 3.2 is really bad?So all B's and one A means no college.


FTFM.  Also I fail at reading comprehension.... must get lunch.

"his 3.2 GPA was lower than other potential students"  so he was dropped due to having too many smart people that applied.  If they only take X amount of kids for a course and your GPA puts you near the bottom of the pool then this is what happens.
 
2014-04-28 01:25:41 PM  
So ... if a person isn't elected to a political office because he's not Christian, can he sue?

Or if a student claimed to be Satanist, the college couldn't reject him?
 
2014-04-28 01:25:50 PM  

machoprogrammer: AliceBToklasLives: or maybe it was his lower than average GPA and a 10-year-old criminal charge?

What community college has a 3.2 GPA as below-average? It's a community college, not Harvard


He was trying to go into radiology. Like nursing, that field has been overflowing with people going into it and schools can't handle all of the people wanting to get into the program. So real schools with halfway decent programs are really  selective about the people who they let into their programs. Lincoln Tech on the other hand would probably take him.
 
2014-04-28 01:27:10 PM  
wait
CCBC Catonsville?!
AHAHAHAHA

The ACLJ claims that Dougherty also told Jenkins that his 3.2 GPA was lower than other potential students

I live near there. A 3.2 is way too high, so maybe that was his weighted GPA?

"I understand that religion is a major part of your life and that was evident in your recommendation letters, however, this field is not the place for religion." "We have many patients who come to us for treatment from many different religions and some who believe in nothing at all. If you interview in the future, you may want to leave your thoughts and beliefs out of the interview process," Dougherty reportedly said.

This makes it sound like he's more religion crazy than he admits. Example: I had a nurse (not a rad tech) come into my emergency examining room when I was getting looked at because I randomly passed out over and over again.

She came in not to do her job (she wasn't treating me) but to badger me because I hadn't filled out the "religion" part of my Patient Information. Nevermind that I hadn't filled in most of the thing because I was randomly fainting over and over. I didn't remember my SS# either, for example.

She gave me the Jesus speech. The aggressive, pushy Jesus speech. She had moved from India (which worships Devils she reminded me it's an evil place) to America because America is a Christian country and Jesus is coming back did you know that he's coming back you should really be a Christian it will change your life you're going to hell without Jesus...

It was like she didn't breathe the whole time. Suddenly she stopped and stared at me, waiting for me to make my confession of faith. And waited. And waited. I didn't feel strong enough to yell at her or slap her. She said I really should put "some kind of Christian" into the computer for my info, pointed to the computer in case I didn't know what a computer was, and finally went away.

Thank you CCBC. Please keep these idiots out of medicine.
 
2014-04-28 01:27:17 PM  
Either:
A) He's so mind-farked and boring that he actually answered that question honestly and completely with just 2 words; or
B) He knew the interview was going badly and decided to spike it so he could sue later.
 
2014-04-28 01:29:05 PM  

DanZero: Non OV Link


In that link, we have: "We didn't want to sue the college. We wanted the college to do the right thing and consider his application without reference to his faith. Not only did they reaffirm their decision to not admit him, but they doubled down on discussing his faith," he said.

I believe that someone in admissions could do something so stupid, for if there wasn't such stupidity in the world, there would be no Fark to snark about it.  However, I have to believe that there is some proof behind this if they want the suit to stick.  I guess we'll see.  Right now all we have to go on is the statement from his lawyer, which outside of court carries about as much weight as a wet paper bag.

TNel: What scale are they using in Maryland? 4.0 is "perfect" and 3.2 is really bad?So all B's and one A means non college.


They said his grades were low among their applicant pool.  If the cohort looking to get into a PT program is at a 3.5+/-0.2 for the first standard deviation, then he's going to seem pretty unattractive being in the bottom 18% of applicants.
 
2014-04-28 01:29:35 PM  

Resident Muslim: I'm not sure I follow.
Charge = criminal record?


It's called an "arrest record" and if you've got one, there are certain jobs you can't get - and if the arrest(s) are for certain things, there are a LOT of jobs you can't get. Employers are not courts of law, and they are not required to grant you a presumption of innocence.
 
2014-04-28 01:29:40 PM  

EyeballKid: This person might be what people call "home school smart."


I have known many home schooled kids and they tend to be better educated, more polite and more respectful thank most public school kids. How much time can a teacher give 30+ kids compared to  a mom/dad working one-on-one with their own children? Virginia (at least) has minimal requirements for teaching children at home and they do require the kids be tested.

And no, that are not socially stunted as most have friends in their neighborhood, attend church and have have other activities that allows them to meet peers.
 
2014-04-28 01:30:00 PM  
This was beneath the story and much more interesting.
img.opposingviews.com
 
2014-04-28 01:30:48 PM  
If you ignore the other reasons the school cited, and also accept what is seemingly a quote from a conversation rather than a reason stated in a rejection letter, then I guess maybe he has a case?
 
2014-04-28 01:31:02 PM  
Religion's continued position as a matter of civil rights is frankly kind of baffling.  In comparison to all other protected traits, religion is an outlier.  We have this long list of inherited and largely immutable physical traits for which we're not allowed to discriminate against people, and then we have, "Oh, and also, you can't discriminate against them for believing in idiotic fantasies, too."
 
2014-04-28 01:31:45 PM  

soporific: I'm wondering if the admissions person told him to tone down the God talk thinking she was doing him a favor, trying to help him next time he applies anywhere. The GPA and criminal charge might have been the real reason, and she was trying to help him by saying that the God talk won't be doing him any favors in the medical field. She meant it as a helpful suggestion.


This may be true and she may have been well-intentioned, but she still violated the law. In any even't unless, the kid was jesus-freaking throughout the process, she should have made no observations about his religious beliefs. Had he been freaking, the decision not to admit him would have been based on a lack of good judgement and possible mental instability.

An "average" on a 4.0 scale is 2.0 or a C. A GPA of 3.2 is above average. Yet, in many high schools these days, you can get this just by showing up.
 
2014-04-28 01:32:44 PM  
He should not have mentioned his brother Leroy.
 
2014-04-28 01:32:53 PM  

nunyadang: "We have many patients who come to us for treatment from many different religions and some who believe in nothing at all. If you interview in the future, you may want to leave your thoughts and beliefs out of the interview process," Dougherty reportedly said

I work in the field, and I work with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Agnostics and Atheists.

I take great pride that we all work together to treat sick Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Agnostics and Atheist patients.

For some reason though, it is the Christians employees only that try to convert the others by placing messages in the break room.

go figure


For the love of GOD, nobody knows why we're here or who made us or what the purpose of life is. Nobody KNOWS that. But we all have our pet beliefs which we hold for one reason or another. I can't stand smug fundamentalist anythings (Mostly Christians in my neck of the woods) with their hypocritical, small minded bullshiat.
 
2014-04-28 01:32:59 PM  
If they mentioned his faith as an issue in the rejection letter, the people running the program are too stupid to keep their jobs. If he had the lowest GPA and a criminal charge that could hinder him from getting hired in his chosen field, that is enough reason to reject him from the program. Why add his religion? That there's some low-hanging' fruit, and you can't blame anyone for going after it.
 
2014-04-28 01:33:36 PM  

machoprogrammer: AliceBToklasLives: or maybe it was his lower than average GPA and a 10-year-old criminal charge?

What community college has a 3.2 GPA as below-average? It's a community college, not Harvard


It might be the program within the community college. Our local CC takes most everybody who graduates HS, but for example there is an RN program that is extremely competitive and accepts only 35 students per semester, out of an average of 500 applicants.
 
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