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2014-04-28 07:31:01 AM  
6 votes:

captcaveman: You literary own the cops.


You literally don't. The Government owns the cops.

You FIGURATIVELY own it, and thus cops, but it's literally not yours.
2014-04-28 02:52:11 AM  
6 votes:
"The investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General's Office to determine any further action."

Strangulation= aggravated assault= 3-6 years. But it's a cop we're talking about, so I'm actually surprised he got fired.

This former cop has the looks of an animal torturer.
2014-04-28 08:06:10 AM  
3 votes:

Xanlexian: I don't buy it.  Cops are known liars, crooks, thieves and thugs.

I'm going with this is just a lie.


This is not inconsistent. The bad cop made the mistakes of attacking a white affluent kid AND getting caught on video.

This is not a case of the other cops being awesome. This is a case of them thowing a fellow cop under the bus to protect themselves and their department.

They did the right thing, but let's not get carried away and assume they did it BECAUSE it was the right thing. Prior evidence leans against this being the motivation. I assume it was self-preservation for the bad cop's management.
2014-04-28 07:49:17 AM  
3 votes:
Dont worry, the police union will get him his job back (with back pay) in a few short weeks.

Worked for the cop in Philly that was caught on camera punching a woman in the face. He got fired, but the union got a review board to do a frame by frame investigation of the film (Zapruder style) and they concluded that he didnt punch her in the face; he was slapping the drink out of her hand and as she stepped BACKWARDS, she tripped on a can on the ground and fell FORWARDS into his closed fist. Job reinstated with full back pay.
2014-04-28 07:35:36 AM  
3 votes:
Good.

Sh*t like this only makes other officers' jobs harder.

When I was doing security, there were cops that I dreaded be called onto the scene if we needed them for an ejection. Luckily, our crew often worked out at a gym where a lot of the local cops trained, and we talked a lot, and those officers were slowly weeded out from calls to the club, because we weren't dicks about it, but most cops just want to get through a night without any real trouble. They have to be ready for it, but no one really wants that sh*t. Dealing with the public, and not at their best, that does wear on folks. I quit doing security, because people just suck when they're in public sometimes, and the first New Year that I DIDN'T have to talk to the police or an EMT, that was amazing. Doing that every day? With a big ass target on my ass? No, thank you.

I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.
2014-04-28 07:32:16 AM  
3 votes:
Oh bullshiat. This is just a PR move. Officer needledick will be given his job back with back pay and compensation for mental distress after a weeks re-training.

And the two brave officers who allowed this restrained this terrorist during the incident will be promoted.

/I'm gonna bet $10 on it...
2014-04-28 07:23:11 AM  
3 votes:

FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?


Documenting it is the first step to preventing it.  How can you act on something when you do not know or am not sure what is happening?  Not sure what ground there is to try and pick at the statement above.
2014-04-28 07:15:05 AM  
3 votes:
Police, bringing one of their own to justice?

What kind of trick is this?
2014-04-28 03:00:12 AM  
3 votes:
Wow.... I'm actually amazed he got fired.
2014-04-28 08:35:27 AM  
2 votes:
This would never have happened in Jersey, even with a video tape.  It takes years to get a cop fired, and in the few cases it's actually happened, they end up collecting pensions, and/or being hired in some other gov job.  I'm gonna guess this cop will remain "fired" until the media attention stops and will be reinstated by this department, or hired by another department.
2014-04-28 08:20:22 AM  
2 votes:
what about the police that were behind the choke-ee, holding the kid?  Are they not implicit in this as well?  wtf is THAT about?

Would be GREAT if the force did a review of his past actions as well as firing him.  You know, to clear the air a bit.

Is the fired cop married?  I'd worry about his wife then, she's likely to take a beat-down real soon.
2014-04-28 08:13:34 AM  
2 votes:
Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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2014-04-28 08:12:24 AM  
2 votes:

grinding_journalist: hubiestubert: I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.

So you're saying it's just a few bad apples?

Your story seems to imply there are only a few good apples.


In that video, there were three bad apples but only a third of them were removed from the force.
2014-04-28 07:58:34 AM  
2 votes:
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.
2014-04-28 07:29:26 AM  
2 votes:
With a puss like that, I'm betting that's not the first guy / woman / child / pet he's brutally worked over.
2014-04-28 07:26:24 AM  
2 votes:
Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in. They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room. Always remember, the cops work for US and the Office of Professional Standards is fully tax payer funded. You literary own the cops. Don't let them forget that for a second. When they do, fire them outright. Have no mercy on them what so ever.
2014-04-28 07:22:14 AM  
2 votes:
Good on the leadership in that department. Police should be friends with the community, not the oppressors of it.

But still, that victim had a terribly punchable face.
2014-04-28 07:26:47 PM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: The victim has a punchable face. The officer showed a lot of restraint by simply holding him by the neck.

Case dismissed.


Is that an attempt at humor or genuine dickheadedness?
2014-04-28 01:33:33 PM  
1 votes:

Julie Cochrane: I could wish the two cops holding the suspect had made different choices, but they were in a situation and busy switching restraints on a suspect. For all we know, the first thing they did after their shift was talk to their boss about the cop that did the choking, "Hey, this guy really pulled an obnoxious stunt out there."


You see, this is the point.

If cops came across two civilians, one choking the other, would they have 'talked to their boss' later about it, or would they have arrested the choker immediately?

I would certainly hope that they would arrest the choker... so why didn't they do so this time? Because the choker was a cop. They let someone get away with committing assault and battery, right in front of them.

And that's WRONG.
2014-04-28 01:13:56 PM  
1 votes:
I think something is wrong with how we are training our police officers these days.

Police Academies seem to teach a "us against the world" philosophy.   Every interaction with the public is a potential life or death situation for the officer.

The safety of the officer is of paramount priority.   Forcing people to do everything the officer says, in the manner and timeline of the officer is a required skilling.   Pain compliance is the new buzzword.   Once upon a time, we called that torture.

I don't know what the right answer is, because Officer safety is important, but I refuse to agree that training officers that every interaction with the public has the same risk of death is the correct way to do it.

It makes our officers Paranoid, their suspicion and paranoia affects the behaviour of the person they are dealing with.   It tends to make the person nervous and jumpy.   That nervousness makes the Officer even more paranoid and suspicious.    "Why are you acting so nervous, that is suspicious, what are you trying to hide.  Kneel down on the ground with your hands behind your head so I feel safe now".
2014-04-28 01:07:05 PM  
1 votes:

ransack.: SomeAmerican: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"

Doesn't matter.  Case in point, the video of the Norwegian cops handling a drunk citizen.  The citizen was verbally abusive but the cops laughed it off and told him how stupid he was being.  Tension was defused and nobody got strangled.  Why can't our cops have 1/4 of the class of these guys?

To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defence, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.


What does Norway's position on gun control have to do with the relationship between their cops and their fellow citizens, and why we couldn't try for that relationship here in America?

I suppose you could argue that American cops instinctively and aggressively overreact because any one they come in contact with could be armed.  If you keep losing coworkers to bullets, you start to think and act like you are in a war zone.  But but I'd hardly say that supports the conclusion that Norway sucks.
2014-04-28 12:02:19 PM  
1 votes:

lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"


None of which justifies choking someone unconscious. At most you include the statements as a basis for additional charges, cops really like it when you run your mouth. It's all evidence.
2014-04-28 10:54:54 AM  
1 votes:

captcaveman: Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in. They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room. Always remember, the cops work for US and the Office of Professional Standards is fully tax payer funded. You literary own the cops. Don't let them forget that for a second. When they do, fire them outright. Have no mercy on them what so ever.


Turn your volume down, please.

kthanxbye
2014-04-28 10:44:07 AM  
1 votes:

Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?


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In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.
2014-04-28 10:30:10 AM  
1 votes:
lizyrd:   I also think people are vastly overestimating the liklihood that the Knox County, Tennessee Sheriff's Office is a union shop. I don't know for certain one way or another, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that any organization in that part of the country is unionized.

I agree.  First thing I thought was that if this was a union cop, he'd be on paid vacation right now waiting for it to blow over.  And no matter what the evidence, the union would somehow say it was justifiable and that the officer did what he should have in the situation.  Take, for example, the recent case of Green Bay officer Derek Wicklund, who's police union says it is "justifiable, legal and lawful" to beat the shiat out of a guy for "refusing to follow simple directions."
2014-04-28 10:22:57 AM  
1 votes:

Fissile: This would never have happened in Jersey, even with a video tape.  It takes years to get a cop fired, and in the few cases it's actually happened, they end up collecting pensions, and/or being hired in some other gov job.  I'm gonna guess this cop will remain "fired" until the media attention stops and will be reinstated by this department, or hired by another department.


I know a guy that worked on a a legal team responsible for labor disputes for a city in NJ.  He actually worked on cases where a number of cops got fired for various things, so it happens and it didn't always take years.  Of course, by the time he got the case, whatever happened was so egregious that it couldn't be handled any other way.

It's pretty complicated to fire a civil servce employee.  Most people think of it as the way it is at your regular "at will" job, where you screw up and can be a memory in two weeks. For a variety of reasons, that's not true of these types of jobs.  You have to go to a labor board, which may or may not be sympathetic.  The members of the board also have their own political agendas and personal conflicts that might come into play. You also have to present a solid case, which takes a great deal of work to put together.

It's also about what can be proven, so I can't stress enough the need for more video at the street level.  In this case, if there had been no photos of the cop choking the guy, any labor case would probably get dismissed.  As it stands right now, it's much easier to fire cops for things that can be readily documented like incorrectly using their sick days, taking iffy second jobs, or abusing disability -- things that arguably aren't direct indicators of police brutality.

Of course, no matter how bad the cop was, the union would always put up a defense to the labor board.  They only stood to gain by trying.  The worst thing that could happen is that the case would be dismissed. Beat up a guy?  Take a bribe?  Threaten the lawyers at the table?  Lose your badge?  Lose your gun?

The one thing that really tended to get cops removed quickly was if they had been ordered not to wear their badge and uniform during the dispute, but did anyway.  For some reason that was like an automatic "see ya."  Apparently it was some sort of crime (along the lines of "impersonating a cop" ironically), so suddenly the city would have much more leverage in the case.
2014-04-28 09:48:31 AM  
1 votes:

captcaveman

Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in.

They'll just disable the cameras with no repercussions.

They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room.

Stacey Koon, Laurence Powell, Timothy Wind, Theodore Briseno, etc... all disagree with you.
2014-04-28 09:25:18 AM  
1 votes:
Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?
2014-04-28 09:04:26 AM  
1 votes:

hej: "Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.


Resisting arrest has become a 'catch-all' charge now. It's like the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in hockey: you think the player did something wrong, but cant classify it as tripping or roughing or cross-checking, etc. So, you charge them with unsportsmanlike conduct and toss them in the box.

Unfortunately, it's being overused for just about anything today when a cop wants to be a dick and detain you for no reason. They tell you that you're under arrest (for no reason) and when you ask what the charge is, they immediately slap you with resisting and claim that is why you are being detained. Then they use that time to trump up a charge against you to justify the original arrest.
2014-04-28 09:03:11 AM  
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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Not that I in anyway condone the actions of these cops, but the perp's not handcuffed at that point....
2014-04-28 08:43:11 AM  
1 votes:

MycroftHolmes: FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?

Documenting it is the first step to preventing it.  How can you act on something when you do not know or am not sure what is happening?  Not sure what ground there is to try and pick at the statement above.


I remember reading a Fark thread a few months ago about police cruiser cameras having a giant tampering rate. I'm sure body-worn cameras will suffer the same fate.
2014-04-28 08:36:45 AM  
1 votes:
Coincidentally, it's election time in Knox County.
hej [TotalFark]
2014-04-28 08:21:36 AM  
1 votes:
"Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.
2014-04-28 08:21:30 AM  
1 votes:
I know the cop was wrong. I am not defending him. But, this IS a pretty slappable face.

i.dailymail.co.uk
2014-04-28 08:11:32 AM  
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Police, bringing one of their own to justice?

What kind of trick is this?


It's called "the sheriff's election has already started". Early voting apparently started.
2014-04-28 08:11:03 AM  
1 votes:

JoieD'Zen: hubiestubert: Good.

Sh*t like this only makes other officers' jobs harder.

When I was doing security, there were cops that I dreaded be called onto the scene if we needed them for an ejection. Luckily, our crew often worked out at a gym where a lot of the local cops trained, and we talked a lot, and those officers were slowly weeded out from calls to the club, because we weren't dicks about it, but most cops just want to get through a night without any real trouble. They have to be ready for it, but no one really wants that sh*t. Dealing with the public, and not at their best, that does wear on folks. I quit doing security, because people just suck when they're in public sometimes, and the first New Year that I DIDN'T have to talk to the police or an EMT, that was amazing. Doing that every day? With a big ass target on my ass? No, thank you.

I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.

It's got to be frustrating as hell sometimes but there is no excuse for what they did. It looked as if it were a standard routine and the 2 officers holding the guy should be charged as well.


It's not an excuse. We have to hold our officers to a high standard. For their sakes as well as for the safety of the public.

I've worked with plenty of good officers--more than the asshats with control issues and attitude or just simple corrupt laziness--and their jobs are made even harder when people expect the cops to be asshats.

Nobody likes being stopped in traffic. No one likes to see the cops roll in on a noise call. How cops deal with trivial calls, that affects how they're treated on more serious ones. You KNOW that the cops are going to roll in when you're acting a fool, and treat you with a modicum of dignity and respect, that makes their job easier, and your night better. It also makes you more likely to call them in when things get sketchy, and that trust is important. This thread is an illustration of this point. How many folks are saying, in general, that cops are just thugs? That's an impression made by sh*tty policing.

In my area, it's a toss up. Greenfield, Mass isn't exactly a hotbed of crime. The crime we DO have, it ranges from crappy domestic violence calls, break ins, to some fairly BIG heroin and meth busts, and yes, the occasional loud party and bar fight. Most of our cops know their neighborhood--it's not a big town--and because they're in the town, and they know folks personally, they aren't hard chargers. Talking with folks to find out what the Hells is going on, helping the homeless and the odd drunk home, that makes for folks' impressions that the cops aren't there just to be dickheads. They deal with enough baseheads that it can turn ugly very fast if you screw with them. But it's a toss up. Nothing calls, loud neighbors, to pissed off rural drug labs with jacked up pale ass gangster wannabes. Lately, we've had a rash of bank robberies, and late night hold ups at convenience stores, so there's a lot more patrols, and that has the cops a bit on edge--and these are not the norm, so if and when these cats get caught, things will likely return to a slower pace.
2014-04-28 08:03:31 AM  
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 225x300]

He looks familiar.
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.


I remember him in happier days...
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2014-04-28 08:01:33 AM  
1 votes:

grinding_journalist: hubiestubert: I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.

So you're saying it's just a few bad apples?

Your story seems to imply there are only a few good apples.


In the barrel of apples, one bad apple is the start.  Soon, all the apples are rotten.
2014-04-28 07:48:12 AM  
1 votes:
But he looks like such a wonderful guy!

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2014-04-28 07:46:42 AM  
1 votes:
I watched the video yesterday. That (former) officer had such a dead look on his face while he did it. He enjoyed it way too much. I wonder if there have been a series of "accidents" on his watch. It deserves a look.
2014-04-28 07:43:42 AM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Good.

Sh*t like this only makes other officers' jobs harder.

When I was doing security, there were cops that I dreaded be called onto the scene if we needed them for an ejection. Luckily, our crew often worked out at a gym where a lot of the local cops trained, and we talked a lot, and those officers were slowly weeded out from calls to the club, because we weren't dicks about it, but most cops just want to get through a night without any real trouble. They have to be ready for it, but no one really wants that sh*t. Dealing with the public, and not at their best, that does wear on folks. I quit doing security, because people just suck when they're in public sometimes, and the first New Year that I DIDN'T have to talk to the police or an EMT, that was amazing. Doing that every day? With a big ass target on my ass? No, thank you.

I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.


It's got to be frustrating as hell sometimes but there is no excuse for what they did. It looked as if it were a standard routine and the 2 officers holding the guy should be charged as well.
2014-04-28 07:32:37 AM  
1 votes:

ChubbyTiger: With the obvious exception of the choking, I'm having a hard time finding any problems with this story. And the sheriff is looking to buy body cameras? +1 for him.

/is he a lesbian by any chance?


Its an election year and the GOP primary race for Sheriff is hotly contested this year. Plus Im sure whomever wins GOP primary will have a Token DNC challenger in the Fall.
2014-04-28 07:30:06 AM  
1 votes:
Why would a cop photograph a choking man? Shouldn't he just help him?
2014-04-28 07:29:10 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: The victim has a punchable face. The officer showed a lot of restraint by simply holding him by the neck.

Case dismissed.


Yeah, that was clearly a smirking punchable face...  But after so many years on the force, if you can't tell the difference between chokable and punchable, then firing is warranted.
2014-04-28 07:27:06 AM  
1 votes:
I don't buy it.  Cops are known liars, crooks, thieves and thugs.

I'm going with this is just a lie.
2014-04-28 07:20:02 AM  
1 votes:

lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.


Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?
2014-04-28 07:14:44 AM  
1 votes:
It's a start.
2014-04-28 07:11:45 AM  
1 votes:
800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.
2014-04-28 07:10:20 AM  
1 votes:
With the obvious exception of the choking, I'm having a hard time finding any problems with this story. And the sheriff is looking to buy body cameras? +1 for him.

/is he a lesbian by any chance?
2014-04-28 06:47:47 AM  
1 votes:
The victim has a punchable face. The officer showed a lot of restraint by simply holding him by the neck.

Case dismissed.
2014-04-28 06:35:27 AM  
1 votes:
Officer's not realizing they are being recorded these days always reminds me of this Steve Martin bit...
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"And not once did anyone ever say 'Socrates, hemlock is poison.'"
 
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