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2014-04-28 02:52:11 AM
"The investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General's Office to determine any further action."

Strangulation= aggravated assault= 3-6 years. But it's a cop we're talking about, so I'm actually surprised he got fired.

This former cop has the looks of an animal torturer.
 
2014-04-28 03:00:12 AM
Wow.... I'm actually amazed he got fired.
 
2014-04-28 06:35:27 AM
Officer's not realizing they are being recorded these days always reminds me of this Steve Martin bit...
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"And not once did anyone ever say 'Socrates, hemlock is poison.'"
 
2014-04-28 06:47:47 AM
The victim has a punchable face. The officer showed a lot of restraint by simply holding him by the neck.

Case dismissed.
 
2014-04-28 06:49:28 AM
mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2014-04-28 07:10:20 AM
With the obvious exception of the choking, I'm having a hard time finding any problems with this story. And the sheriff is looking to buy body cameras? +1 for him.

/is he a lesbian by any chance?
 
2014-04-28 07:11:45 AM
800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.
 
2014-04-28 07:14:44 AM
It's a start.
 
2014-04-28 07:15:05 AM
Police, bringing one of their own to justice?

What kind of trick is this?
 
2014-04-28 07:18:56 AM
That's BS. Any of you would have done the same in his shoes.
 
2014-04-28 07:20:02 AM

lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.


Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?
 
2014-04-28 07:21:54 AM

ransack.: That's BS. Any of you would have done the same in his shoes.


I absolutely know I would.

But then, I'm smart enough to know that means I shouldn't be a cop.

/I'd be taking bribes in 20 minutes. Dealing with the public all day? Awww hell naw.
 
2014-04-28 07:21:58 AM

ransack.: That's BS. Any of you would have done the same in his shoes.


5/10

Nice, but just a little too obvious.
 
2014-04-28 07:22:14 AM
Good on the leadership in that department. Police should be friends with the community, not the oppressors of it.

But still, that victim had a terribly punchable face.
 
2014-04-28 07:22:42 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The victim has a punchable face.


Yes but that face was  white. The answer we're loking for is white.We're sorry, but he loses the game and goes home without any prizes.
 
2014-04-28 07:23:11 AM

FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?


Documenting it is the first step to preventing it.  How can you act on something when you do not know or am not sure what is happening?  Not sure what ground there is to try and pick at the statement above.
 
2014-04-28 07:26:24 AM
Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in. They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room. Always remember, the cops work for US and the Office of Professional Standards is fully tax payer funded. You literary own the cops. Don't let them forget that for a second. When they do, fire them outright. Have no mercy on them what so ever.
 
2014-04-28 07:27:06 AM
I don't buy it.  Cops are known liars, crooks, thieves and thugs.

I'm going with this is just a lie.
 
2014-04-28 07:29:10 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The victim has a punchable face. The officer showed a lot of restraint by simply holding him by the neck.

Case dismissed.


Yeah, that was clearly a smirking punchable face...  But after so many years on the force, if you can't tell the difference between chokable and punchable, then firing is warranted.
 
2014-04-28 07:29:26 AM
With a puss like that, I'm betting that's not the first guy / woman / child / pet he's brutally worked over.
 
2014-04-28 07:30:06 AM
Why would a cop photograph a choking man? Shouldn't he just help him?
 
2014-04-28 07:31:01 AM

captcaveman: You literary own the cops.


You literally don't. The Government owns the cops.

You FIGURATIVELY own it, and thus cops, but it's literally not yours.
 
2014-04-28 07:31:13 AM
This isn't that big of a surprise to me.  I've heard a lot of stories about cozy relationships between local law enforcement and the Major Universities.  If this had just been some random party that had not involved UT, I doubt anything would have happened to this cop.
 
2014-04-28 07:32:01 AM

captcaveman: Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in. They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room. Always remember, the cops work for US and the Office of Professional Standards is fully tax payer funded, and traffic tickets, and redlight cameras, and property forfeiture, and.. and.. . You literary own the cops. Don't let them forget that for a second. When they do, fire them outright. Have no mercy on them what so ever.

 
2014-04-28 07:32:16 AM
Oh bullshiat. This is just a PR move. Officer needledick will be given his job back with back pay and compensation for mental distress after a weeks re-training.

And the two brave officers who allowed this restrained this terrorist during the incident will be promoted.

/I'm gonna bet $10 on it...
 
2014-04-28 07:32:37 AM

ChubbyTiger: With the obvious exception of the choking, I'm having a hard time finding any problems with this story. And the sheriff is looking to buy body cameras? +1 for him.

/is he a lesbian by any chance?


Its an election year and the GOP primary race for Sheriff is hotly contested this year. Plus Im sure whomever wins GOP primary will have a Token DNC challenger in the Fall.
 
2014-04-28 07:33:46 AM

Major Ethanolic: Why would a cop photograph a choking man? Shouldn't he just help him?


Well, that's why he got fired, right? We're not paying cops to stand around taking polaroids of people clearly needing medical assistance.

/DRTFA
 
2014-04-28 07:34:00 AM

Xanlexian: I don't buy it.  Cops are known liars, crooks, thieves and thugs.

I'm going with this is just a lie.


True, but this got substantial media play and something had to be done.

I was subby on the last thread about this and the info and pics came from the DM - it did not make local papers immediately.
 
2014-04-28 07:35:36 AM
Good.

Sh*t like this only makes other officers' jobs harder.

When I was doing security, there were cops that I dreaded be called onto the scene if we needed them for an ejection. Luckily, our crew often worked out at a gym where a lot of the local cops trained, and we talked a lot, and those officers were slowly weeded out from calls to the club, because we weren't dicks about it, but most cops just want to get through a night without any real trouble. They have to be ready for it, but no one really wants that sh*t. Dealing with the public, and not at their best, that does wear on folks. I quit doing security, because people just suck when they're in public sometimes, and the first New Year that I DIDN'T have to talk to the police or an EMT, that was amazing. Doing that every day? With a big ass target on my ass? No, thank you.

I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.
 
2014-04-28 07:38:24 AM

captcaveman: You literary own the cops.


Engrish, muthaf*cka, do you speak it??
 
2014-04-28 07:41:50 AM

hubiestubert: I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.


So you're saying it's just a few bad apples?

Your story seems to imply there are only a few good apples.
 
2014-04-28 07:43:42 AM

hubiestubert: Good.

Sh*t like this only makes other officers' jobs harder.

When I was doing security, there were cops that I dreaded be called onto the scene if we needed them for an ejection. Luckily, our crew often worked out at a gym where a lot of the local cops trained, and we talked a lot, and those officers were slowly weeded out from calls to the club, because we weren't dicks about it, but most cops just want to get through a night without any real trouble. They have to be ready for it, but no one really wants that sh*t. Dealing with the public, and not at their best, that does wear on folks. I quit doing security, because people just suck when they're in public sometimes, and the first New Year that I DIDN'T have to talk to the police or an EMT, that was amazing. Doing that every day? With a big ass target on my ass? No, thank you.

I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.


It's got to be frustrating as hell sometimes but there is no excuse for what they did. It looked as if it were a standard routine and the 2 officers holding the guy should be charged as well.
 
2014-04-28 07:44:17 AM
Oldiron_79: ... and the GOP primary race for Sheriff...

And, as I've recently learned, the Sheriff is the only person with real power in parts of the US.
 
2014-04-28 07:46:00 AM

hubiestubert: Sh*t like this only makes other officers' jobs harder.


What? No it doesn't. All the other officers had to do was stand there and hold the guy while the choking officer did all the hard work.
 
2014-04-28 07:46:42 AM
I watched the video yesterday. That (former) officer had such a dead look on his face while he did it. He enjoyed it way too much. I wonder if there have been a series of "accidents" on his watch. It deserves a look.
 
2014-04-28 07:48:12 AM
But he looks like such a wonderful guy!

www.gannett-cdn.com
 
2014-04-28 07:49:17 AM
Dont worry, the police union will get him his job back (with back pay) in a few short weeks.

Worked for the cop in Philly that was caught on camera punching a woman in the face. He got fired, but the union got a review board to do a frame by frame investigation of the film (Zapruder style) and they concluded that he didnt punch her in the face; he was slapping the drink out of her hand and as she stepped BACKWARDS, she tripped on a can on the ground and fell FORWARDS into his closed fist. Job reinstated with full back pay.
 
2014-04-28 07:49:59 AM

grinding_journalist: So you're saying it's just a few bad apples?

Your story seems to imply there are only a few good apples.


Well, the solutions from public debate seems to be pay them a lot more (like wall street execs) and let them self-regulate and have strict standardized testing for arrestees.
 
2014-04-28 07:50:44 AM

SomeoneDumb: Oldiron_79: ... and the GOP primary race for Sheriff...

And, as I've recently learned, the Sheriff is the only person with real power in parts of the US.


What do you mean by this? So if the city or state cops show up I should just tell them to fark off cause they're not in a sheriff's car?
 
2014-04-28 07:51:47 AM

ransack.: That's BS. Any of you would have done the same in his shoes.


You're right, if I was the sheriff I would have fired his ass too.
 
2014-04-28 07:57:13 AM

Oldiron_79: ChubbyTiger: With the obvious exception of the choking, I'm having a hard time finding any problems with this story. And the sheriff is looking to buy body cameras? +1 for him.

/is he a lesbian by any chance?

Its an election year and the GOP primary race for Sheriff is hotly contested this year. Plus Im sure whomever wins GOP primary will have a Token DNC challenger in the Fall.


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2014-04-28 07:57:28 AM

doglover: captcaveman: You literary own the cops.

You literally don't. The Government owns the cops.

You FIGURATIVELY own it, and thus cops, but it's literally not yours.



But hypothetically, metaphorically, it is!

So there.
 
2014-04-28 07:58:34 AM
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He looks familiar.
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.
 
2014-04-28 08:00:21 AM
"In my 34 years of law enforcement experience, excessive force has never been tolerated on film or video."
 
2014-04-28 08:01:33 AM

grinding_journalist: hubiestubert: I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.

So you're saying it's just a few bad apples?

Your story seems to imply there are only a few good apples.


In the barrel of apples, one bad apple is the start.  Soon, all the apples are rotten.
 
2014-04-28 08:02:00 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Police, bringing one of their own to justice?

What kind of trick is this?



The kid made a donation right before the party.
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2014-04-28 08:03:31 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 225x300]

He looks familiar.
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.


I remember him in happier days...
allthingsclassicfilm.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-28 08:03:56 AM

JoieD'Zen: Xanlexian: I don't buy it.  Cops are known liars, crooks, thieves and thugs.

I'm going with this is just a lie.

True, but this got substantial media play and something had to be done.

I was subby on the last thread about this and the info and pics came from the DM - it did not make local papers immediately.


A freelance journalist took the photo.
 
2014-04-28 08:06:10 AM

Xanlexian: I don't buy it.  Cops are known liars, crooks, thieves and thugs.

I'm going with this is just a lie.


This is not inconsistent. The bad cop made the mistakes of attacking a white affluent kid AND getting caught on video.

This is not a case of the other cops being awesome. This is a case of them thowing a fellow cop under the bus to protect themselves and their department.

They did the right thing, but let's not get carried away and assume they did it BECAUSE it was the right thing. Prior evidence leans against this being the motivation. I assume it was self-preservation for the bad cop's management.
 
2014-04-28 08:06:15 AM

Dick Gozinya: Dont worry, the police union will get him his job back (with back pay) in a few short weeks.

Worked for the cop in Philly that was caught on camera punching a woman in the face. He got fired, but the union got a review board to do a frame by frame investigation of the film (Zapruder style) and they concluded that he didnt punch her in the face; he was slapping the drink out of her hand and as she stepped BACKWARDS, she tripped on a can on the ground and fell FORWARDS into his closed fist. Job reinstated with full back pay.


So she hit the cop with her face? She should get at least 3 months.
 
2014-04-28 08:08:01 AM
I just came to biatch about the auto-load video.
 
2014-04-28 08:10:21 AM
Must have a shiatty union rep there.
 
2014-04-28 08:10:52 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 225x300]

He looks familiar.
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[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x332]


Now I know where I've seen that face before.



I think you're confused. This is who you're thinking of:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-28 08:11:03 AM

JoieD'Zen: hubiestubert: Good.

Sh*t like this only makes other officers' jobs harder.

When I was doing security, there were cops that I dreaded be called onto the scene if we needed them for an ejection. Luckily, our crew often worked out at a gym where a lot of the local cops trained, and we talked a lot, and those officers were slowly weeded out from calls to the club, because we weren't dicks about it, but most cops just want to get through a night without any real trouble. They have to be ready for it, but no one really wants that sh*t. Dealing with the public, and not at their best, that does wear on folks. I quit doing security, because people just suck when they're in public sometimes, and the first New Year that I DIDN'T have to talk to the police or an EMT, that was amazing. Doing that every day? With a big ass target on my ass? No, thank you.

I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.

It's got to be frustrating as hell sometimes but there is no excuse for what they did. It looked as if it were a standard routine and the 2 officers holding the guy should be charged as well.


It's not an excuse. We have to hold our officers to a high standard. For their sakes as well as for the safety of the public.

I've worked with plenty of good officers--more than the asshats with control issues and attitude or just simple corrupt laziness--and their jobs are made even harder when people expect the cops to be asshats.

Nobody likes being stopped in traffic. No one likes to see the cops roll in on a noise call. How cops deal with trivial calls, that affects how they're treated on more serious ones. You KNOW that the cops are going to roll in when you're acting a fool, and treat you with a modicum of dignity and respect, that makes their job easier, and your night better. It also makes you more likely to call them in when things get sketchy, and that trust is important. This thread is an illustration of this point. How many folks are saying, in general, that cops are just thugs? That's an impression made by sh*tty policing.

In my area, it's a toss up. Greenfield, Mass isn't exactly a hotbed of crime. The crime we DO have, it ranges from crappy domestic violence calls, break ins, to some fairly BIG heroin and meth busts, and yes, the occasional loud party and bar fight. Most of our cops know their neighborhood--it's not a big town--and because they're in the town, and they know folks personally, they aren't hard chargers. Talking with folks to find out what the Hells is going on, helping the homeless and the odd drunk home, that makes for folks' impressions that the cops aren't there just to be dickheads. They deal with enough baseheads that it can turn ugly very fast if you screw with them. But it's a toss up. Nothing calls, loud neighbors, to pissed off rural drug labs with jacked up pale ass gangster wannabes. Lately, we've had a rash of bank robberies, and late night hold ups at convenience stores, so there's a lot more patrols, and that has the cops a bit on edge--and these are not the norm, so if and when these cats get caught, things will likely return to a slower pace.
 
2014-04-28 08:11:32 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Police, bringing one of their own to justice?

What kind of trick is this?


It's called "the sheriff's election has already started". Early voting apparently started.
 
2014-04-28 08:11:45 AM
Well at least know we know that The Big Boss Man really didn't die, he just retired from the WWE and has been living as a cop in Knoxville this whole time.
 
2014-04-28 08:12:24 AM

grinding_journalist: hubiestubert: I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.

So you're saying it's just a few bad apples?

Your story seems to imply there are only a few good apples.


In that video, there were three bad apples but only a third of them were removed from the force.
 
2014-04-28 08:13:34 AM
Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-04-28 08:14:52 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The victim has a punchable face. The officer showed a lot of restraint by simply holding him by the neck.

Case dismissed.


The victim is probably smirking because he's thinking about all the money he's going to get from the brutality lawsuit he's going to bring.

The fact the cop got fired makes it a slam dunk. But, damn, his face is punchable.
 
2014-04-28 08:17:01 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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Hail Hydra!
 
2014-04-28 08:18:18 AM
Good.
 
2014-04-28 08:20:22 AM
what about the police that were behind the choke-ee, holding the kid?  Are they not implicit in this as well?  wtf is THAT about?

Would be GREAT if the force did a review of his past actions as well as firing him.  You know, to clear the air a bit.

Is the fired cop married?  I'd worry about his wife then, she's likely to take a beat-down real soon.
 
2014-04-28 08:21:30 AM
I know the cop was wrong. I am not defending him. But, this IS a pretty slappable face.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
hej
2014-04-28 08:21:36 AM
"Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.
 
2014-04-28 08:22:39 AM

deffuse: Wow.... I'm actually amazed he got fired.


Honestly, in a lot of these cases the asshole ends up fired eventually. It's a long standing tradition with police departments to wait until the media finds a new bone to chew on in an attempt to not air dirty laundry.

I personally hate the policy, since the bad news is already out there. Banishing the justice-being-done aspect to a blurb on page six just gives the impression that nothing was ever done. But most of the higher ups feel that a public firing and shaming would be an admission of guilt on behalf of the department as a whole or something.

It's good to see this kind of done in full light of day for a change.
 
2014-04-28 08:24:54 AM

captcaveman: They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

OMG Im trying to work here.. can you stop.
 
2014-04-28 08:28:08 AM

doglover: captcaveman: You literary own the cops.

You literally don't. The Government owns the cops.

You FIGURATIVELY own it, and thus cops, but it's literally not yours.


Fight the good fight. Oxford might no longer have your back, but I do.
 
2014-04-28 08:31:49 AM
Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.
 
2014-04-28 08:35:27 AM
This would never have happened in Jersey, even with a video tape.  It takes years to get a cop fired, and in the few cases it's actually happened, they end up collecting pensions, and/or being hired in some other gov job.  I'm gonna guess this cop will remain "fired" until the media attention stops and will be reinstated by this department, or hired by another department.
 
2014-04-28 08:35:44 AM

NormallyTechnos: Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.


I think you vastly over estimate the power and/or motivation of the police union.
 
2014-04-28 08:36:45 AM
Coincidentally, it's election time in Knox County.
 
2014-04-28 08:39:20 AM

PreMortem: "The investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General's Office to determine any further action."

Strangulation= aggravated assault= 3-6 years. But it's a cop we're talking about, so I'm actually surprised he got fired.


Came in to say this. Glad to see it said in the Boobies.
 
2014-04-28 08:42:50 AM

hej: "Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.


I have a feeling that charge is going to be dismissed real soon.
 
2014-04-28 08:43:11 AM

MycroftHolmes: FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?

Documenting it is the first step to preventing it.  How can you act on something when you do not know or am not sure what is happening?  Not sure what ground there is to try and pick at the statement above.


I remember reading a Fark thread a few months ago about police cruiser cameras having a giant tampering rate. I'm sure body-worn cameras will suffer the same fate.
 
2014-04-28 08:45:15 AM

ransack.: That's BS. Any of you would have done the same in his shoes.


What size are his shoes? They'd probably be too small for me, so I'd probably be massaging my feet in the squad car.
 
2014-04-28 08:51:23 AM

ghare: ransack.: That's BS. Any of you would have done the same in his shoes.

I absolutely know I would.

But then, I'm smart enough to know that means I shouldn't be a cop.


This is exactly right. +1.

/ My father once pointed out that he could never be a Coast Guard rescue diver, because the first time someone put his life in danger by ignoring posted warnings to stay off the water that day, he wasn't entirely sure he would be able to resist the urge to hold that person's head under.

// Some people are square pegs trying to fit into round jobs.
 
2014-04-28 09:03:11 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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Not that I in anyway condone the actions of these cops, but the perp's not handcuffed at that point....
 
2014-04-28 09:03:47 AM
I hope he is charged and found guilty so he also loses his 2nd Amendment rights and right to vote for tea party asshats.
 
2014-04-28 09:04:26 AM

hej: "Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.


Resisting arrest has become a 'catch-all' charge now. It's like the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in hockey: you think the player did something wrong, but cant classify it as tripping or roughing or cross-checking, etc. So, you charge them with unsportsmanlike conduct and toss them in the box.

Unfortunately, it's being overused for just about anything today when a cop wants to be a dick and detain you for no reason. They tell you that you're under arrest (for no reason) and when you ask what the charge is, they immediately slap you with resisting and claim that is why you are being detained. Then they use that time to trump up a charge against you to justify the original arrest.
 
2014-04-28 09:05:22 AM

I'm an Egyptian!: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 225x300]

He looks familiar.
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.


I think you're confused. This is who you're thinking of:

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img.fark.net

( well, without the hair...)
 
2014-04-28 09:11:24 AM

The Loaf: SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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Not that I in anyway condone the actions of these cops, but the perp's not handcuffed at that point....


He was handcuffed, they were switching cuffs because he was going into a van and the cop who cuffed him was getting "his" cuffs back.

If you look at all the pictrues it appears that after he was cuffed again the cop decided to apply more pressure and that is whent he guy collapses to his knees.
 
2014-04-28 09:11:46 AM
Wow that was fast!  Salute to Know County SO for getting rid of him so quickly.  Also, been around since '92.  Possibly a string of incidents and enough was enough.
 
2014-04-28 09:14:37 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: I'm an Egyptian!: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 225x300]

He looks familiar.
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.


I think you're confused. This is who you're thinking of:

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( well, without the hair...)


Gotta disagree. Personality-wise, I would imagine spot on, but Rabban actually has a neck. Looking at the potato-like way his head and neck smoothly join, I hafta say he's definitely 1/2 Sontaran on his father's side.
 
2014-04-28 09:25:18 AM
Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?
 
2014-04-28 09:27:28 AM

SpectroBoy: I know the cop was wrong. I am not defending him. But, this IS a pretty slappable face.

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He's smiling because now all of his tuition is paid, and then some.
 
2014-04-28 09:29:54 AM
Hollywood couldn't have picked a more vile looking character to play that role.
 
2014-04-28 09:32:03 AM
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2014-04-28 09:34:22 AM

Explodo: SpectroBoy: I know the cop was wrong. I am not defending him. But, this IS a pretty slappable face.

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He's smiling because now all of his tuition is paid, and then some.


QFT
 
2014-04-28 09:35:15 AM
I could wish the two cops holding the suspect had made different choices, but they were in a situation and busy switching restraints on a suspect. For all we know, the first thing they did after their shift was talk to their boss about the cop that did the choking, "Hey, this guy really pulled an obnoxious stunt out there."

Okay, I don't really think there's a snowball's chance in hell that the other two reported it, but I wouldn't have thought there was a chance in hell this guy would be fired, either.If they reported it, it would make sense why they got some action short of termination.
 
2014-04-28 09:38:00 AM

April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?


Because after they do that if any of those good cops ever make a radio call requesting backup the department may just experience a strange department wide radio malfunction.
 
2014-04-28 09:42:09 AM
I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?
 
2014-04-28 09:47:07 AM
A-hole pig got off lightly.


If a citizen physically attacks another citizen it is called "felony assault"


Why then do we not hold our officers to the same standard?
 
2014-04-28 09:48:31 AM

captcaveman

Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in.

They'll just disable the cameras with no repercussions.

They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room.

Stacey Koon, Laurence Powell, Timothy Wind, Theodore Briseno, etc... all disagree with you.
 
2014-04-28 09:54:17 AM
captcaveman: Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in. They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room. Always remember, the cops work for US and the Office of Professional Standards is fully tax payer funded, and traffic tickets, and redlight cameras, and property forfeiture, and.. and.. . You literary own the cops. Don't let them forget that for a second. When they do, fire them outright. Have no mercy on them what so ever.

Oh aren't you precious. Go up to a cop and tell him "You work for me". Get back to us in a month when he stops laughing at you.
 
2014-04-28 09:54:28 AM

April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?


You know, there was a time we'd take a guy like you out back and beat you with a hose; now you got your Goddamn unions.
 
2014-04-28 09:54:29 AM
All the whining about the cops "bullying" the drunks fails to recognize that 800 drunk college kids is about one idiot getting froggy from being a full-blown riot with cop cars turned over and set on fire. This doesn't just happen a lot on college campuses, it almost ALWAYS happens. It also doesn't look like that old, fat cop is choking the kid, just holding him by the neck (probably with his thumbs on pain pressure points, so if the kid starts to be a problem, he can control him with just a little squeeze).

There's nothing good about a block party with hundreds of drunk teenagers and kids in their early '20s milling about drunk on the street. You want to have a party for 30-40 people, fine; but 800? That's just a riot waiting to happen.
 
2014-04-28 09:55:24 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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They announced demotions for the other officers in the first article.  If that is suppose to mean something, I don't know.
 
2014-04-28 09:55:34 AM

craigdamage: A-hole pig got off lightly.


If a citizen physically attacks another citizen it is called "felony assault"


Why then do we not hold our officers to the same standard?


Hopefully more will come.

FTA: A statement from Sheriff J.J. Jones said the investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General's Office to determine any further action.
 
2014-04-28 09:59:50 AM

lack of warmth: SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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They announced demotions for the other officers in the first article.  If that is suppose to mean something, I don't know.


Reread. They commented on the fact that five officers got demoted for a previous stunt. They weren't talking about Larry and Moe.
 
2014-04-28 10:03:50 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


If I'm the sheriff, all 3 are canned and referred for criminal charges.
 
2014-04-28 10:05:10 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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How do you choke somebody by pinching the sides of their neck? It look like he's applying a pain suppression hold to force the little prick to put his hands behind his back.
 
2014-04-28 10:05:57 AM

danielscissorhands: But he looks like such a wonderful guy!

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OFFICER FIRED FOR CHOKING KID

"Obviously.  Just look at that asshole."

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HERO COP SAVES ORPHANS FROM HOUSE FIRE, GOES BACK FOR PUPPY

"Really?  He looks like an asshole who chokes people."


/Yeah, that picture thing doesn't always work the way they say it does.
 
2014-04-28 10:07:23 AM

FullMetalPanda: Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?


Actually it's doesn't work out quite how you would think. Most investigations that use recordings exonerate the cop of the accusation that has been leveled. It also creates a self-reinforcing situation where the cop will be better behaved simply because they their being recorded. It's not much different than having a camera pointed at a cashier. Force is used less often and complaints of excessive force by citizens also reduce:

http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2014/01/police-departments-m in nesota-focus-body-cameras

Once in a while of course they show the cop did something that the should not have done. Than you get situations like where 7 cop cars all mysteriously lost their recordings out in California a while back. The key to recordings is to make sure they can't be disabled and they aren't stored locally.

Give credit to the sheriff for acting right away to try restore public confidence and not simply reassigning the rogue cop. He also referred the rogue cop for possible criminal charges to an outside agency.
 
2014-04-28 10:07:56 AM

lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.


Funny, often when there's a complaint against police where they control the recording device, it malfunctions.
 
2014-04-28 10:08:41 AM
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2014-04-28 10:08:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Good on the leadership in that department. Police should be friends with the community, not the oppressors of it.

But still, that victim had a terribly punchable face.


I haven't even seen your face and you're terribly punchable.
 
2014-04-28 10:08:46 AM
On a silly note.  The article I commented on at the link, is no longer the linked article.  I think they got a little whiny when I asked who "HE" was in their flashback to 2011 where a group of officers pulled over a group of teenagers in a car and had them run around a bat "He" had in his car.
 
2014-04-28 10:09:50 AM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.

If I'm the sheriff, all 3 are canned and referred for criminal charges.


And you'd be a single-term sheriff.
 
2014-04-28 10:10:50 AM

Shadowknight: NormallyTechnos: Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.

I think you vastly over estimate the power and/or motivation of the police union.


Indeed. I've been a union fire fighter in the Northeast for 6 years. I've seen 5 cops and two fire fighters fired during that time. It happens, it just doesn't always make it to the news.

I also think people are vastly overestimating the liklihood that the Knox County, Tennessee Sheriff's Office is a union shop. I don't know for certain one way or another, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that any organization in that part of the country is unionized.
 
2014-04-28 10:22:57 AM

Fissile: This would never have happened in Jersey, even with a video tape.  It takes years to get a cop fired, and in the few cases it's actually happened, they end up collecting pensions, and/or being hired in some other gov job.  I'm gonna guess this cop will remain "fired" until the media attention stops and will be reinstated by this department, or hired by another department.


I know a guy that worked on a a legal team responsible for labor disputes for a city in NJ.  He actually worked on cases where a number of cops got fired for various things, so it happens and it didn't always take years.  Of course, by the time he got the case, whatever happened was so egregious that it couldn't be handled any other way.

It's pretty complicated to fire a civil servce employee.  Most people think of it as the way it is at your regular "at will" job, where you screw up and can be a memory in two weeks. For a variety of reasons, that's not true of these types of jobs.  You have to go to a labor board, which may or may not be sympathetic.  The members of the board also have their own political agendas and personal conflicts that might come into play. You also have to present a solid case, which takes a great deal of work to put together.

It's also about what can be proven, so I can't stress enough the need for more video at the street level.  In this case, if there had been no photos of the cop choking the guy, any labor case would probably get dismissed.  As it stands right now, it's much easier to fire cops for things that can be readily documented like incorrectly using their sick days, taking iffy second jobs, or abusing disability -- things that arguably aren't direct indicators of police brutality.

Of course, no matter how bad the cop was, the union would always put up a defense to the labor board.  They only stood to gain by trying.  The worst thing that could happen is that the case would be dismissed. Beat up a guy?  Take a bribe?  Threaten the lawyers at the table?  Lose your badge?  Lose your gun?

The one thing that really tended to get cops removed quickly was if they had been ordered not to wear their badge and uniform during the dispute, but did anyway.  For some reason that was like an automatic "see ya."  Apparently it was some sort of crime (along the lines of "impersonating a cop" ironically), so suddenly the city would have much more leverage in the case.
 
2014-04-28 10:24:32 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Police, bringing one of their own to justice?

What kind of trick is this?


Justice is a pretty strong word.  If I did this to somebody at work and it was caught on camera, I wouldn't just lose me job. I'd be in jail and I'd be sued (and rightly so).  Let's see what happens to this guy before we call it justice.
 
2014-04-28 10:26:29 AM
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2014-04-28 10:27:23 AM

lizyrd: Shadowknight: NormallyTechnos: Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.

I think you vastly over estimate the power and/or motivation of the police union.

Indeed. I've been a union fire fighter in the Northeast for 6 years. I've seen 5 cops and two fire fighters fired during that time. It happens, it just doesn't always make it to the news.

I also think people are vastly overestimating the liklihood that the Knox County, Tennessee Sheriff's Office is a union shop. I don't know for certain one way or another, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that any organization in that part of the country is unionized.


Frankly I'd be amazed if they weren't unionized. Every single non-federal law enforcement agency I've ever heard of is unionized. The one exception, which was the only result I could find with a cursory search, is Camden PD, which closed shop and switched jurisdiction to the non-union Camden County police, who unionized almost as soon as they hit their recruitment quota.
 
2014-04-28 10:27:52 AM

James Rieper: It's also about what can be proven, so I can't stress enough the need for more video at the street level. In this case, if there had been no photos of the cop choking the guy, any labor case would probably get dismissed.


Funny, we seem to convict people for crimes all the time wihtout video.

It shouldn't be any more difficult for cops, unless they habitually lie to protect their own...
 
2014-04-28 10:30:10 AM
lizyrd:   I also think people are vastly overestimating the liklihood that the Knox County, Tennessee Sheriff's Office is a union shop. I don't know for certain one way or another, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that any organization in that part of the country is unionized.

I agree.  First thing I thought was that if this was a union cop, he'd be on paid vacation right now waiting for it to blow over.  And no matter what the evidence, the union would somehow say it was justifiable and that the officer did what he should have in the situation.  Take, for example, the recent case of Green Bay officer Derek Wicklund, who's police union says it is "justifiable, legal and lawful" to beat the shiat out of a guy for "refusing to follow simple directions."
 
2014-04-28 10:31:20 AM
Good for that department. But I have to say, when Tennessee is setting examples for how to handle police brutality, isn't that a sign of the apocalypse?
 
2014-04-28 10:33:33 AM

Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?


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2014-04-28 10:33:43 AM

Private_Citizen: Good for that department. But I have to say, when Tennessee is setting examples for how to handle police brutality, isn't that a sign of the apocalypse?


Are you kidding? They choked a perfectly good white boy.
 
2014-04-28 10:35:33 AM

optimistic_cynic: Private_Citizen: Good for that department. But I have to say, when Tennessee is setting examples for how to handle police brutality, isn't that a sign of the apocalypse?

Are you kidding? They choked a perfectly good white boy.


Well, did you really expect them to find a black boy in Knox County Tennessee?
 
2014-04-28 10:36:06 AM

Private_Citizen: optimistic_cynic: Private_Citizen: Good for that department. But I have to say, when Tennessee is setting examples for how to handle police brutality, isn't that a sign of the apocalypse?

Are you kidding? They choked a perfectly good white boy.

Well, did you really expect them to find a black boy in Knox County Tennessee?


Good point, good point.
 
2014-04-28 10:37:21 AM

FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?


Not at all.  I can't say it works everywhere, of course, but the cameras prevent misbehavior and unnecessary escalations from both parties.

Believe it or not, many people are dicks to cops and assume the worst about them all the time, and many of these cops politely stand there, take it, and then do whatever it was they were there to do.  We want to identify these cops just as much as we want to identify the bad ones, because then we can have calm, level-headed individuals with a sense of community in positions of power, and not have to deal with entire departments of Yosemite-farking-Sam.

If there's no goodwill between cops and their communities, cameras make sense for everyone.  If there's no distrust between cops and their communities, cameras would probably make it worse, not better.
 
2014-04-28 10:41:23 AM

BeesNuts: If there's no distrust between cops and their communities, cameras would probably make it worse, not better


I can't envision a single realistic scenario where a police officer having a camera would make a normal person act worse to cops.
 
2014-04-28 10:44:07 AM

Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?


newspaper.li

In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.
 
2014-04-28 10:45:27 AM

Dick Gozinya: hej: "Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.

Resisting arrest has become a 'catch-all' charge now. It's like the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in hockey: you think the player did something wrong, but cant classify it as tripping or roughing or cross-checking, etc. So, you charge them with unsportsmanlike conduct and toss them in the box.

Unfortunately, it's being overused for just about anything today when a cop wants to be a dick and detain you for no reason. They tell you that you're under arrest (for no reason) and when you ask what the charge is, they immediately slap you with resisting and claim that is why you are being detained. Then they use that time to trump up a charge against you to justify the original arrest.


Meh, it's worse than that.  If they just want a charge, it's a DC, contempt of cop.  If they want to beat you up a little, they have to charge you with resisting arrest to justify the bruises and subsequent medical attention you may or may not receive upon arrival at the jail.
 
2014-04-28 10:46:12 AM

LazyMedia: All the whining about the cops "bullying" the drunks fails to recognize that 800 drunk college kids is about one idiot getting froggy from being a full-blown riot with cop cars turned over and set on fire. This doesn't just happen a lot on college campuses, it almost ALWAYS happens. It also doesn't look like that old, fat cop is choking the kid, just holding him by the neck (probably with his thumbs on pain pressure points, so if the kid starts to be a problem, he can control him with just a little squeeze).

There's nothing good about a block party with hundreds of drunk teenagers and kids in their early '20s milling about drunk on the street. You want to have a party for 30-40 people, fine; but 800? That's just a riot waiting to happen.


This is one of the better trolls I've seen here in a while. Nice job.
 
2014-04-28 10:46:13 AM

liam76: BeesNuts: If there's no distrust between cops and their communities, cameras would probably make it worse, not better

I can't envision a single realistic scenario where a police officer having a camera would make a normal person act worse to cops.


Attention whore performance artist?

/oh, you said Normal Person. Nevermind.
 
2014-04-28 10:48:01 AM

liam76: BeesNuts: If there's no distrust between cops and their communities, cameras would probably make it worse, not better

I can't envision a single realistic scenario where a police officer having a camera would make a normal person act worse to cops.


Some folks don't like to be filmed, and wouldn't understand why their local cop, who they've known for years, is suddenly acting all cold and clinical.

They wouldn't act worse.  It would just cause friction where previously there was none.  Don't squander trust like that, and don't fix what ain't broke, is all I'm saying.
 
2014-04-28 10:49:56 AM

yukichigai: Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?

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In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.


Frankly I agree. Disorderly conduct covers everything that public intoxication should.
 
2014-04-28 10:50:33 AM

LazyMedia: SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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How do you choke somebody by pinching the sides of their neck? It look like he's applying a pain suppression hold to force the little prick to put his hands behind his back.


Compressing the carotid arteries.

Losta johns like to do that to their biatches during sex. Cute.
 
2014-04-28 10:51:43 AM

BeesNuts: liam76: BeesNuts: If there's no distrust between cops and their communities, cameras would probably make it worse, not better

I can't envision a single realistic scenario where a police officer having a camera would make a normal person act worse to cops.

Some folks don't like to be filmed, and wouldn't understand why their local cop, who they've known for years, is suddenly acting all cold and clinical.

They wouldn't act worse.  It would just cause friction where previously there was none.  Don't squander trust like that, and don't fix what ain't broke, is all I'm saying.


Also it's one step closer to an England-type nightmare scenario where all public space is constantly under video surveillance and I don't like being videotaped and I would be too anxious to go outside sober
 
2014-04-28 10:51:58 AM

redmid17: yukichigai: Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?

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In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.

Frankly I agree. Disorderly conduct covers everything that public intoxication should.


Laws that forbid you behave like a human are such a waste of time and effort.
Nannys Rule!
 
2014-04-28 10:54:54 AM

captcaveman: Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in. They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room. Always remember, the cops work for US and the Office of Professional Standards is fully tax payer funded. You literary own the cops. Don't let them forget that for a second. When they do, fire them outright. Have no mercy on them what so ever.


Turn your volume down, please.

kthanxbye
 
2014-04-28 10:55:29 AM

yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.


No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.
 
2014-04-28 10:55:47 AM

ransack.: BeesNuts: liam76: BeesNuts: If there's no distrust between cops and their communities, cameras would probably make it worse, not better

I can't envision a single realistic scenario where a police officer having a camera would make a normal person act worse to cops.

Some folks don't like to be filmed, and wouldn't understand why their local cop, who they've known for years, is suddenly acting all cold and clinical.

They wouldn't act worse.  It would just cause friction where previously there was none.  Don't squander trust like that, and don't fix what ain't broke, is all I'm saying.

Also it's one step closer to an England-type nightmare scenario where all public space is constantly under video surveillance and I don't like being videotaped and I would be too anxious to go outside sober


Cameras are getting everywhere. The cops are losing the shade of secret they form by shouldering together. This is good.
Pull yer pants up, close the door on yer anxiety closet and carry on. You'll get used to it.
If this chance to get our Fascist Pigs under control fails,,,

Sterner measures will not be nice.
 
2014-04-28 10:57:54 AM

yukichigai: Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.


In California you aren't "drunk in public" until you get in other people's way:

(1) are unable to exercise care for your safety or the safety of others, OR
(2) interfere with, obstruct, or prevent others from using streets, sidewalks, or other "public ways."


Really, anything more stringent than that would mean they'd have to round up all the homeless people...
 
2014-04-28 10:58:10 AM

peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.


Well, this here is my surprised all to hell face   %-)

Is this a good spot to mention that this is not typical behavior of humans intoxicated on marijuana?
 
2014-04-28 10:58:48 AM

liam76: James Rieper: It's also about what can be proven, so I can't stress enough the need for more video at the street level. In this case, if there had been no photos of the cop choking the guy, any labor case would probably get dismissed.

Funny, we seem to convict people for crimes all the time wihtout video.

It shouldn't be any more difficult for cops, unless they habitually lie to protect their own...


I agree, but that's not a result of just cops lying.  If you were permitted to walk into any holding cell in America and asked if the cops abused anyone, betcha a dollar that all the hands would go up.  Did all of them get abused?  Probably not, but this is the backdrop against which you have to prove actual police misconduct.

Video is a good tool to get through at least some of that.
 
2014-04-28 10:59:34 AM

doglover: captcaveman: You literary own the cops.

You literally don't. The Government owns the cops.

You FIGURATIVELY own it, and thus cops, but it's literally not yours.


www.soundonsight.org
 
2014-04-28 11:00:21 AM

peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.


You sound teetotaller.
 
2014-04-28 11:00:40 AM

yukichigai: Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?

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In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.


my brother got in trouble a few years back cause he was walking home form a bar after having a few beers and some cop stopped him a few blocks away and nailed him cause he blew to high or something.
 
2014-04-28 11:02:09 AM

redmid17: yukichigai: Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?

[newspaper.li image 310x452]

In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.

Frankly I agree. Disorderly conduct covers everything that public intoxication should.


Ayup.  That's exactly how it goes down in this state.  Cops can and will still pull rowdy drunks off the street, but the charge is Disorderly Conduct (or whatever the city/county equivalent is), not Public Intoxication.  Hell, if there's someone who is falling down drunk the cops can still take them to the drunk tank, they just can't charge them or fine them and they have to let them go when they're sober.

Really, just about any dumb thing you do that would get you arrested in another state for Public Intox will get you arrested in Nevada for DC.  The difference is our state has built-in protection from assholes like that Texas Alcohol Control Board guy writing people up in the bar for Public Intox.
 
2014-04-28 11:02:38 AM

peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.


Then charge them for whatever they are doing that is illegal not because they might at some point, maybe, be dangerous.
 
2014-04-28 11:02:42 AM
they just need to do that a few hundred thousand more times across the country.
 
2014-04-28 11:03:43 AM
He didnt get fired for choking the kid. He got fired for not following protocol.

You're supposed to yell, "stop resisting," when committing battery. Every rookie cop knows this. This guy was clearley getting lazy.
 
2014-04-28 11:03:54 AM

peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.


Exactly. If I'd been arrested for 'drunk in public' every time I came across a cop while I was drunk, I'd have to take the black ...

/but I'm usually a happy drunk
//usually
 
2014-04-28 11:04:27 AM

Private_Citizen: Well, did you really expect them to find a black boy in Knox County Tennessee?


Given that Knox County is around 9% black, only a little behind the 12% national average, it wouldn't be that hard.
 
2014-04-28 11:06:30 AM

ransack.: BeesNuts: liam76: BeesNuts: If there's no distrust between cops and their communities, cameras would probably make it worse, not better

I can't envision a single realistic scenario where a police officer having a camera would make a normal person act worse to cops.

Some folks don't like to be filmed, and wouldn't understand why their local cop, who they've known for years, is suddenly acting all cold and clinical.

They wouldn't act worse.  It would just cause friction where previously there was none.  Don't squander trust like that, and don't fix what ain't broke, is all I'm saying.

Also it's one step closer to an England-type nightmare scenario where all public space is constantly under video surveillance and I don't like being videotaped and I would be too anxious to go outside sober


People like this, for example.
 
2014-04-28 11:06:48 AM
Don't forget to charge the bastard with Possession of a Firearm During the Commission of a Crime as well.
 
2014-04-28 11:11:16 AM

peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.


Uhm, no, that's what Disorderly Conduct is for.

I'm having a lot of trouble pulling up a link, but go read up on the history of Prohibition sometime.  Most public intoxication laws were either enacted before Prohibition or came just after it was lifted, sometimes in fear-driven emergency sessions of the appropriate legislative body.  They absolutely are a holdover from the days when people thought alcohol was the devil.  Regardless of how they are enforced, the laws themselves in most places still classify merely being "obviously drunk" in a public place as a crime.

GRCooper: Exactly. If I'd been arrested for 'drunk in public' every time I came across a cop while I was drunk, I'd have to take the black ...


See above. :P
 
2014-04-28 11:17:06 AM
Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"
 
2014-04-28 11:19:47 AM

browntimmy: LazyMedia: All the whining about the cops "bullying" the drunks fails to recognize that 800 drunk college kids is about one idiot getting froggy from being a full-blown riot with cop cars turned over and set on fire. This doesn't just happen a lot on college campuses, it almost ALWAYS happens. It also doesn't look like that old, fat cop is choking the kid, just holding him by the neck (probably with his thumbs on pain pressure points, so if the kid starts to be a problem, he can control him with just a little squeeze).

There's nothing good about a block party with hundreds of drunk teenagers and kids in their early '20s milling about drunk on the street. You want to have a party for 30-40 people, fine; but 800? That's just a riot waiting to happen.

This is one of the better trolls I've seen here in a while. Nice job.


I'm dead serious. Here's what I'm talking about. College kids are fine in small groups, but you get a bunch of drunken, 20-something dudebros out on the street, you really want to have the water cannons ready. It's not that the individuals are planning to cause trouble, it's just that big crowds (especially big, drunken crowds) have a different psychology, most of it bad. Here's the science.
 
2014-04-28 11:20:14 AM
The new anchor is farking hot!
 
2014-04-28 11:21:32 AM

jumac: yukichigai: Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?

[newspaper.li image 310x452]

In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.

my brother got in trouble a few years back cause he was walking home form a bar after having a few beers and some cop stopped him a few blocks away and nailed him cause he blew to high or something.


Why would he have blown at all?

I can't imagine any reason to consent to an alcohol test of any kind while walking.
 
2014-04-28 11:21:39 AM

jumac: yukichigai: Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?

[newspaper.li image 310x452]

In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.

my brother got in trouble a few years back cause he was walking home form a bar after having a few beers and some cop stopped him a few blocks away and nailed him cause he blew to high or something.


Probably used too much teeth.
 
2014-04-28 11:24:26 AM

gweilo8888: Private_Citizen: Well, did you really expect them to find a black boy in Knox County Tennessee?

Given that Knox County is around 9% black, only a little behind the 12% national average, it wouldn't be that hard.


Knoxville is 17 percent black, but the UT student body is 7 percent, and most of the residents in the Fort Sanders neighborhood are UT students.
 
2014-04-28 11:24:39 AM
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The only thing he missed was jabbing him in the eyes and stomping him on the foot...yight yight! Whoobooboobooboo!
 
2014-04-28 11:27:24 AM

April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?


Because the "good ones" just make themselves targets at that point.
 
2014-04-28 11:27:51 AM

EdNortonsTwin: The new anchor is farking hot!


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-28 11:30:20 AM
It's a start. What about the police who sat there and watched it happen?
 
2014-04-28 11:30:33 AM

grinding_journalist: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.

If I'm the sheriff, all 3 are canned and referred for criminal charges.

And you'd be a single-term sheriff.


They should all be single term sheiffs
 
2014-04-28 11:31:46 AM

Iworkformsn: It's a start. What about the police who sat there and watched it happen?


They got reimbursed.
 
2014-04-28 11:35:51 AM
Police departments would fair a lot better to the public if these egregious acts of violence where properly taken care of and officers dismissed.

But no. They have to protect the people in the force that give them a bad name. Apparently cops are less intelligent than I thought.
 
2014-04-28 11:42:52 AM

peterthx: yukichigai:  It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.


redmid17: yukichigai: Egoy3k: Disorderly conduct covers everything that public intoxication should.


as previously stated...
 
2014-04-28 11:44:51 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: They should all be single term sheiffs


Definitely- I feel like any elected official shouldn't be allowed to serve more than one term in any office, at any level of government. Before anyone bemoans elected officials in that sense lacking experience, experience in this context definitely means "knowledge of the system sufficient to utilize your position for personal gain".
 
2014-04-28 11:50:32 AM

grinding_journalist: teenage mutant ninja rapist: They should all be single term sheiffs

Definitely- I feel like any elected official shouldn't be allowed to serve more than one term in any office, at any level of government. Before anyone bemoans elected officials in that sense lacking experience, experience in this context definitely means "knowledge of the system sufficient to utilize your position for personal gain".


Who would spend the time and effort to get elected to a mediocre-paying job that guaranteed they'd be unemployed in four years and didn't let them get friendly with any businesses to line up a future job? Only financially independent power-hungry muscleheads would pursue the position of sheriff in that case.
 
2014-04-28 11:51:06 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?

Because the "good ones" just make themselves targets at that point.


Same reason "good priests" don't out the pederasts.
The culture has been reduced to it's own worst nightmare.
 
2014-04-28 11:53:14 AM

grinding_journalist: teenage mutant ninja rapist: They should all be single term sheiffs

Definitely- I feel like any elected official shouldn't be allowed to serve more than one term in any office, at any level of government. Before anyone bemoans elected officials in that sense lacking experience, experience in this context definitely means "knowledge of the system sufficient to utilize your position for personal gain".


media.npr.org

 
2014-04-28 11:55:26 AM

snocone: teenage mutant ninja rapist: April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?

Because the "good ones" just make themselves targets at that point.

Same reason "good priests" don't out the pederasts.
The culture has been reduced to it's own worst nightmare.


www.wearysloth.com

 
2014-04-28 11:55:58 AM

grinding_journalist: teenage mutant ninja rapist: They should all be single term sheiffs

Definitely- I feel like any elected official shouldn't be allowed to serve more than one term in any office, at any level of government. Before anyone bemoans elected officials in that sense lacking experience, experience in this context definitely means "knowledge of the system sufficient to utilize your position for personal gain".


This is not a smart statement.  There are some hints that there may be an underlying logic, but the idea proposed would have horrible consequences
 
2014-04-28 12:01:48 PM

snocone: LazyMedia: SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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How do you choke somebody by pinching the sides of their neck? It look like he's applying a pain suppression hold to force the little prick to put his hands behind his back.

Compressing the carotid arteries.

Losta johns like to do that to their biatches during sex. Cute.


Many years ago in Portland the police got into some mischief using that hold and making tshirts glorifying the event.http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-4184-1985.html
 
2014-04-28 12:02:19 PM

lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"


None of which justifies choking someone unconscious. At most you include the statements as a basis for additional charges, cops really like it when you run your mouth. It's all evidence.
 
2014-04-28 12:03:33 PM

MycroftHolmes: jumac: yukichigai: Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?

[newspaper.li image 310x452]

In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.

my brother got in trouble a few years back cause he was walking home form a bar after having a few beers and some cop stopped him a few blocks away and nailed him cause he blew to high or something.

Probably used too much teeth.


lol
 
2014-04-28 12:17:48 PM

April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?


That's why we don't trust them.

/Because, y'know...they don't  because they apparently don't care.
 
2014-04-28 12:18:40 PM

socoloco: Police departments would fair a lot better to the public if these egregious acts of violence where properly taken care of and officers dismissed.

But no. They have to protect the people in the force that give them a bad name. Apparently cops are less intelligent than I thought.


Are you hammered or just trying out this "trolling" thing for the first time?
 
2014-04-28 12:20:30 PM

ransack.: Who would spend the time and effort to get elected to a mediocre-paying job that guaranteed they'd be unemployed in four years and didn't let them get friendly with any businesses to line up a future job? Only financially independent power-hungry muscleheads would pursue the position of sheriff in that case.


I don't see why it'd have to be like this. Maybe a cop gets enough support locally and does a stint as a sheriff; he's liked enough that he gets bumped to alderman or councilman, or decides "elected life" isn't for him and goes back to a supervisory, non-elected position within the police force? Why does it have to be Sheriff->unemployment? I just suggested that they not be allowed to retain their current post.

The fact that the very notion of a drastic change to the system like this is reacted to with such vehement abhorrence, even if it isn't perfect, is part of the problem with the current system's entrenchment. What do you suggest to avoid miniature fiefdoms being set up within the legal confines of governance by entrenched elected officials? If your strategy is "don't vote for them", I hope you realize that ACTUALLY means "throw tons of money at the other guy's campaign to make sure nobody else votes for him either".
 
2014-04-28 12:20:40 PM

lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"



Even if this is EXACTLY what the drunk said cops ARE NOT allowed to beat you up or choke you out because you hurt their widdle feewings.
 
2014-04-28 12:32:21 PM

jumac: yukichigai: Egoy3k: I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?

[newspaper.li image 310x452]

In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

I'm happy to say Nevada not only has no Public Intox laws, there's actually a state law that says "it is illegal for any jurisdiction within Nevada to make public intoxication illegal".  No, seriously.  It was of course the finest law bought and paid for by the casinos, but it's still a good law to have.  We're the only one that has it as far as I know.  Plenty of states don't make public intoxication a crime, but more should take the "and none of you cities/counties can either" approach.

my brother got in trouble a few years back cause he was walking home form a bar after having a few beers and some cop stopped him a few blocks away and nailed him cause he blew to high or something.


Tell him to aim South of the belly button.
 
2014-04-28 12:32:47 PM

NormallyTechnos: Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.


If I'm not mistaken, don't sheriff deputies around the country serve at the pleasure of the sheriff? I know around here they do. They have to 're-apply' for their jobs every time a new sheriff is elected. 99% of the time, they are retained, because it's a biatch to get new officers. But, sheriffs are allowed to can the whole department when they come in for any reason they wish.
 
2014-04-28 12:33:18 PM

NormallyTechnos: Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.


I'd like to say you're wrong. But I see where you're going with this.
 
2014-04-28 12:33:27 PM

SpectroBoy: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"


Even if this is EXACTLY what the drunk said cops ARE NOT allowed to beat you up or choke you out because you hurt their widdle feewings.


If you said that to a cop in front of me and he suddenly choked you into unconsciousness, I would laugh and high-five the Officer, but just a hospital-type zero-contact air-five and not actually touch his glove because that would be assault on an Officer and I ain't tryin to be provokin' a chokin'.
 
2014-04-28 12:34:32 PM

MycroftHolmes: FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?

Documenting it is the first step to preventing it.  How can you act on something when you do not know or am not sure what is happening?  Not sure what ground there is to try and pick at the statement above.


Actually it is better than that.  First, the cameras actually change behavior... if you know you are being watched, you act differently.  Second, the bulk of almost any crime is made of repeat offenders.  Cultural issues like police brutality are doubly so.  You don't need to prevent them from committing the first offense... you need to catch them afterwards so they don't commit  the second, third, fourth, etc.
 
2014-04-28 12:36:34 PM

LazyMedia: gweilo8888: Private_Citizen: Well, did you really expect them to find a black boy in Knox County Tennessee?

Given that Knox County is around 9% black, only a little behind the 12% national average, it wouldn't be that hard.

Knoxville is 17 percent black, but the UT student body is 7 percent, and most of the residents in the Fort Sanders neighborhood are UT students.


Did he say Knoxville / Fort Sanders, or did he say Knox County?

/difficulty: the quote with him saying Knox County is in the first line of this post
 
2014-04-28 12:38:39 PM

PreMortem: "The investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General's Office to determine any further action."

Strangulation= aggravated assault= 3-6 years. But it's a cop we're talking about, so I'm actually surprised he got fired.

This former cop has the looks of an animal torturer.


so now we need a followup with the DA
arrest the ex-cop and charge him with aggravated assault and attempted murder
plea him down to the lesser charge ... he will be out in 3
skinnier and looser
 
2014-04-28 12:40:37 PM

lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"


Doesn't matter.  Case in point, the video of the Norwegian cops handling a drunk citizen.  The citizen was verbally abusive but the cops laughed it off and told him how stupid he was being.  Tension was defused and nobody got strangled.  Why can't our cops have 1/4 of the class of these guys?
 
2014-04-28 12:44:04 PM

SomeAmerican: Doesn't matter.  Case in point, the video of the Norwegian cops handling a drunk citizen.  The citizen was verbally abusive but the cops laughed it off and told him how stupid he was being.  Tension was defused and nobody got strangled.  Why can't our cops have 1/4 of the class of these guys?


You sound like you are disrespecting cops. You looking for a chokin'?
 
2014-04-28 12:47:40 PM
Not to worry I hear LAPD is hiring.
 
2014-04-28 12:48:02 PM
 
2014-04-28 12:49:34 PM

SomeAmerican: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"

Doesn't matter.  Case in point, the video of the Norwegian cops handling a drunk citizen.  The citizen was verbally abusive but the cops laughed it off and told him how stupid he was being.  Tension was defused and nobody got strangled.  Why can't our cops have 1/4 of the class of these guys?


To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defence, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.


N O R W A Y     S U C K S
 
2014-04-28 12:56:54 PM
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2014-04-28 01:02:03 PM

ransack.: To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defence, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.


Canada has pretty much the same rules.  There has to be a justification for gun ownership, and transport laws are very strict.  "Concealed carry" doesn't really exist unless you are law enforcement, and even then I'm not entirely sure they can conceal it.

My dad had an old service revolver from an airport security job.  It was a pain in the butt every time we moved because we had to register with local police (when we changed provinces) and have a permit to carry the thing outside of the trunk of your car (ie pack it in checked luggage).http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/hist/con-eng.htm
 
2014-04-28 01:02:53 PM
 
2014-04-28 01:06:35 PM
I'm gonna assume anyone supporting this cop has some sort of auto erotic asphyxiation fetish
 
2014-04-28 01:07:05 PM

ransack.: SomeAmerican: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"

Doesn't matter.  Case in point, the video of the Norwegian cops handling a drunk citizen.  The citizen was verbally abusive but the cops laughed it off and told him how stupid he was being.  Tension was defused and nobody got strangled.  Why can't our cops have 1/4 of the class of these guys?

To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defence, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.


What does Norway's position on gun control have to do with the relationship between their cops and their fellow citizens, and why we couldn't try for that relationship here in America?

I suppose you could argue that American cops instinctively and aggressively overreact because any one they come in contact with could be armed.  If you keep losing coworkers to bullets, you start to think and act like you are in a war zone.  But but I'd hardly say that supports the conclusion that Norway sucks.
 
2014-04-28 01:08:01 PM
Who's managing the pool for "days until the police union forces them to be rehire him with backpay"? I want to put money on... 90 days.
 
2014-04-28 01:10:21 PM

SomeAmerican: ransack.: SomeAmerican: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"

Doesn't matter.  Case in point, the video of the Norwegian cops handling a drunk citizen.  The citizen was verbally abusive but the cops laughed it off and told him how stupid he was being.  Tension was defused and nobody got strangled.  Why can't our cops have 1/4 of the class of these guys?

To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defence, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.

What does Norway's position on gun control have to do with the relationship between their cops and their fellow citizens, and why we couldn't try for that relationship here in America?

I suppose you could argue that American cops instinctively and aggressively overreact because any one they come in contact with could be armed.  If you keep losing coworkers to bullets, you start to think and act like you are in a war zone.  But but I'd hardly say that supports the conclusion that Norway sucks.


I smell a Norwegian
 
2014-04-28 01:11:28 PM
grinding_journalist - Definitely- I feel like any elected official shouldn't be allowed to serve more than one term in any office, at any level of government.

Exactly! I have been saying this for over 20 years, and everyone just ignores me. They refuse to see how career politicians game the system for their own gains. They refuse to see how career governmental employees rigged the system so that they are the only ones who can make any sense of it so they have to be the ones to hold the position. The whole thing has been rigged so these vultures can show they have to be kept in office. Our ability to represent ourselves should not be a convoluted mess of contradictory laws and confusing rules. They did this as job security. No one should hold more than one term of anything. The whole point of 'government by, of, and for the people' is that all the people should have a hand in how things go. We do not have that now, despite what some high ranking official might tell you.
 
2014-04-28 01:12:08 PM

PreMortem: Strangulation= aggravated assault= 3-6 years. But it's a cop we're talking about, so I'm actually surprised he got fired.


My theory is that you have good departments and you have bad departments.  Good departments correct and/or get rid of potentially bad cops before they reach the news*, so events are extremely rare.  Bad departments shelter and encourage bad cops even after they kill people.

That's why you can have two departments of approximately equal size and serving about the same demographic where one will have no wrongful death suits and the other will be settling a dozen a year.

Consider Sheriff Joe Arpaio, lots of lawsuits regarding his behavior, it'll take time when he's replaced for the department to recover.

FullMetalPanda: Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?


Strangely enough incidents of abuse tend to drop like a rock when the cameras are present - Officers are forced to always be on their best behavior, and when the people who they interact with know about the camera, they tend to be better behaved as well.

It also helps if 'my camera broke' earns a reprimand for not taking care of your camera.

*And it's surprising that this made more than regional news.
 
2014-04-28 01:13:56 PM
I think something is wrong with how we are training our police officers these days.

Police Academies seem to teach a "us against the world" philosophy.   Every interaction with the public is a potential life or death situation for the officer.

The safety of the officer is of paramount priority.   Forcing people to do everything the officer says, in the manner and timeline of the officer is a required skilling.   Pain compliance is the new buzzword.   Once upon a time, we called that torture.

I don't know what the right answer is, because Officer safety is important, but I refuse to agree that training officers that every interaction with the public has the same risk of death is the correct way to do it.

It makes our officers Paranoid, their suspicion and paranoia affects the behaviour of the person they are dealing with.   It tends to make the person nervous and jumpy.   That nervousness makes the Officer even more paranoid and suspicious.    "Why are you acting so nervous, that is suspicious, what are you trying to hide.  Kneel down on the ground with your hands behind your head so I feel safe now".
 
2014-04-28 01:18:43 PM

ransack.: SpectroBoy: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"


Even if this is EXACTLY what the drunk said cops ARE NOT allowed to beat you up or choke you out because you hurt their widdle feewings.

If you said that to a cop in front of me and he suddenly choked you into unconsciousness, I would laugh and high-five the Officer, but just a hospital-type zero-contact air-five and not actually touch his glove because that would be assault on an Officer and I ain't tryin to be provokin' a chokin'.


There are always some unfortunate facts in any case, and video doesn't necessarily convey all of it.  Still, I'd tend to fall on the side of "don't choke/shoot/taze me, bro", but with an ear to other circumstances.  If Officer No-Neck is pretty much exemplary saving this one incident, then there's a circumstance.  If party-teen was getting spitty and/or bitey, well, there's another circumstance.  Passing judgement on either without having more back story than a blurry video, well, there's a circumstance too I guess.  Even as a bar bouncer, actually latching any sort of submission hold onto an unruly drunk is always a bad idea - but sometimes circumstances dictate.

/though the fact they shiat-canned Officer No-Neck so fast is probably a good indicator of a not-so-exemplary record.
 
2014-04-28 01:21:19 PM

payattention: grinding_journalist - Definitely- I feel like any elected official shouldn't be allowed to serve more than one term in any office, at any level of government.

Exactly! I have been saying this for over 20 years, and everyone just ignores me. They refuse to see how career politicians game the system for their own gains. They refuse to see how career governmental employees rigged the system so that they are the only ones who can make any sense of it so they have to be the ones to hold the position. The whole thing has been rigged so these vultures can show they have to be kept in office. Our ability to represent ourselves should not be a convoluted mess of contradictory laws and confusing rules. They did this as job security. No one should hold more than one term of anything. The whole point of 'government by, of, and for the people' is that all the people should have a hand in how things go. We do not have that now, despite what some high ranking official might tell you.


Nobody would ever run for public office in that case. Public officials have to be very careful about their private relationships, who they're seen with in public, they can't own certain stocks or invest in certain fields, and the pay isn't that great, relatively. Nobody competent would ever run for the office of Sheriff if it wasn't a career itself. It pays like $120k/yr and you have to watch what you do 24/7 and there is so much responsibility, not to mention that you have to fund a campaign and quit your current job just to even maybe get it. Nobody who would actually be good for the community would ever run for Sheriff.
If the elections are truly fair and free, there shouldn't ever be a need for term limits anywhere. I do think that the infinite terms of the Supreme Court Justices works though for some idiosyncratic reason. It's somehow always good for a company to have at least one old cranky coot around who for some reason can't be fired and remembers what it was like when your parents were kids and you have to just stand there and listen when he talks and there's no arguing because he's so old. I'm on drugs.
 
2014-04-28 01:28:06 PM

SomeAmerican: I suppose you could argue that American cops instinctively and aggressively overreact because any one they come in contact with could be armed. If you keep losing coworkers to bullets, you start to think and act like you are in a war zone. But but I'd hardly say that supports the conclusion that Norway sucks.


I'd argue that NOT being a dick reduces the chances of being shot.

Consider that most cases of bad interactions with cops involve BOTH being a dick, then they get into a contest of who can be the biggest dick, which the authority figure normally 'wins'.

Use proper de-escalation techniques(IE don't be a dick) and you defuse the opposite side as well.  The result is a lot less violence is needed.
 
2014-04-28 01:33:33 PM

Julie Cochrane: I could wish the two cops holding the suspect had made different choices, but they were in a situation and busy switching restraints on a suspect. For all we know, the first thing they did after their shift was talk to their boss about the cop that did the choking, "Hey, this guy really pulled an obnoxious stunt out there."


You see, this is the point.

If cops came across two civilians, one choking the other, would they have 'talked to their boss' later about it, or would they have arrested the choker immediately?

I would certainly hope that they would arrest the choker... so why didn't they do so this time? Because the choker was a cop. They let someone get away with committing assault and battery, right in front of them.

And that's WRONG.
 
2014-04-28 01:35:28 PM
Bravo to the police department.  Way to man up for once (or twice, it looks like).

I know I know they're not ALL like that.
 
2014-04-28 01:37:10 PM

ongbok: April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?

Because after they do that if any of those good cops ever make a radio call requesting backup the department may just experience a strange department wide radio malfunction.


But, IF THE BAD COPS ARE THE MINORITY, that won't matter much- the Good cops WILL respond.

That scenario (Good cops fearing that no one will help them) ONLY applies if all or most of the other cops are BAD. But we're assured that bad cops are the minority, so....
 
2014-04-28 01:41:18 PM
Dude was charged with PD and resisting a choking.
 
2014-04-28 01:45:34 PM
I once passed out after two days of drinking crankshine at an epic barn party and woke up in a field 3/4 of a mile from the nearest house or road with a .22 cal pistol and a .44mag six-shooter, both empty and fouled, hardcore duct-taped into my left and right fists, respectively. There was a helicopter nearby, my head hurt, I chewed off the duct tape and crawled into a pipe directing a creek under county road 450N and fumbled out a cigarette, lit it, smoked half of it, and then fell asleep for 18 more hours.

I'm not sure what happened to everyone else, only one of my friends was at that party and he made an early getaway. I'm glad I didn't get jailed.

I did get c. diff in an open sore on my ankle (allegedly from the "poo pipe") though and they wanted to saw off my foot but I said NO. Just like I told my dentist when he wanted to take out my wisdom teeth! And no diggity, I got both my feet and 32 teeth today!
 
2014-04-28 01:46:04 PM

thamike: danielscissorhands: But he looks like such a wonderful guy!

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 300x400]



OFFICER FIRED FOR CHOKING KID

"Obviously.  Just look at that asshole."



HERO COP SAVES ORPHANS FROM HOUSE FIRE, GOES BACK FOR PUPPY

"Really?  He looks like an asshole who chokes people."


/Yeah, that picture thing doesn't always work the way they say it does.


Are you suggesting that it is not possible to determine that he's an a**hole from the photograph? If so, I respectfully disagree.
 
2014-04-28 01:52:13 PM

SomeAmerican: ransack.: SomeAmerican: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"

Doesn't matter.  Case in point, the video of the Norwegian cops handling a drunk citizen.  The citizen was verbally abusive but the cops laughed it off and told him how stupid he was being.  Tension was defused and nobody got strangled.  Why can't our cops have 1/4 of the class of these guys?

To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defence, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.

What does Norway's position on gun control have to do with the relationship between their cops and their fellow citizens, and why we couldn't try for that relationship here in America?

I suppose you could argue that American cops instinctively and aggressively overreact because any one they come in contact with could be armed.  If you keep losing coworkers to bullets, you start to think and act like you are in a war zone.  But but I'd hardly say that supports the conclusion that Norway sucks.


Norway sucking is a completely unrelated fact. But it is known.
 
2014-04-28 01:53:24 PM

ransack.: I once passed out after two days of drinking crankshine at an epic barn party and woke up in a field 3/4 of a mile from the nearest house or road with a .22 cal pistol and a .44mag six-shooter, both empty and fouled, hardcore duct-taped into my left and right fists, respectively. There was a helicopter nearby, my head hurt, I chewed off the duct tape and crawled into a pipe directing a creek under county road 450N and fumbled out a cigarette, lit it, smoked half of it, and then fell asleep for 18 more hours.

I'm not sure what happened to everyone else, only one of my friends was at that party and he made an early getaway. I'm glad I didn't get jailed.

I did get c. diff in an open sore on my ankle (allegedly from the "poo pipe") though and they wanted to saw off my foot but I said NO. Just like I told my dentist when he wanted to take out my wisdom teeth! And no diggity, I got both my feet and 32 teeth today!


How did you get a road armed with two empty guns duct taped to your hand?
 
2014-04-28 02:11:21 PM

yukichigai: peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.

Uhm, no, that's what Disorderly Conduct is for.


Falling/walking into things and cracking your skull is disorderly conduct?

In any case, people usually arrested for Public Intoxication are those acting the fool, pissing on things, etc.
 
2014-04-28 02:17:40 PM

peterthx: yukichigai: peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.

Uhm, no, that's what Disorderly Conduct is for.

Falling/walking into things and cracking your skull is disorderly conduct?

In any case, people usually arrested for Public Intoxication are those acting the fool, pissing on things, etc.


That's disorderly conduct. Falling or walking into things? Cracking your skull? Toss 'em in the drunk tank for a few hours if they don't need medical attention without an arrest. If they do need medical attention, take them to the hospital.

This isn't rocket surgery.

Asking yourself, "is anything productive going to come out of arresting this person?" should be all that's needed.
 
2014-04-28 02:27:44 PM

SomeAmerican: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"

Doesn't matter.  Case in point, the video of the Norwegian cops handling a drunk citizen.  The citizen was verbally abusive but the cops laughed it off and told him how stupid he was being.  Tension was defused and nobody got strangled.  Why can't our cops have 1/4 of the class of these guys?


Here's the thing, cops defusing situations gracefully happen all the time, thousands of times a day across hundreds of cities.  But that doesn't make the news.
 
2014-04-28 02:31:10 PM

redmid17: peterthx: yukichigai: peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.

Uhm, no, that's what Disorderly Conduct is for.

Falling/walking into things and cracking your skull is disorderly conduct?

In any case, people usually arrested for Public Intoxication are those acting the fool, pissing on things, etc.

That's disorderly conduct. Falling or walking into things? Cracking your skull? Toss 'em in the drunk tank for a few hours if they don't need medical attention without an arrest. If they do need medical attention, take them to the hospital.

This isn't rocket surgery.

Asking yourself, "is anything productive going to come out of arresting this person?" should be all that's needed.


You honestly expect each individual cop to be able to objectively ask that question of themselves and everyone they encounter, all day long? Answering that question (retroactively) is the whole purpose of the judicial branch.
 
2014-04-28 02:46:18 PM

ransack.: redmid17: peterthx: yukichigai: peterthx: yukichigai: In all seriousness though Public Intox laws need to go the way of the dodo.  They're a holdover from the days of Prohibition and are the last gasp of the Prohibitionists to keep alcohol illegal somehow.

No it isn't. It's because drunks have the habit of acting like complete assholes in public and are often a danger to themselves and others.

Uhm, no, that's what Disorderly Conduct is for.

Falling/walking into things and cracking your skull is disorderly conduct?

In any case, people usually arrested for Public Intoxication are those acting the fool, pissing on things, etc.

That's disorderly conduct. Falling or walking into things? Cracking your skull? Toss 'em in the drunk tank for a few hours if they don't need medical attention without an arrest. If they do need medical attention, take them to the hospital.

This isn't rocket surgery.

Asking yourself, "is anything productive going to come out of arresting this person?" should be all that's needed.

You honestly expect each individual cop to be able to objectively ask that question of themselves and everyone they encounter, all day long? Answering that question (retroactively) is the whole purpose of the judicial branch.


I'd expect anyone who can breath to answer that question objectively. Arresting someone passed out drunk in a yard is a dumb idea. Getting them to the hospital should and is the more important objective.

Do you really think it's necessary or useful for the already swamped court system to deal with a bunch of bullshiat that could have been taken care by someone who's smart enough to be talk to look before they cross the street.
 
2014-04-28 02:47:07 PM

FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?


Sounds to me like this cop boss wants prevention and, barring that (because having been a cop for 37 years, he knows that some cops will be assholes regardless), evidence he can hand over to the attorney general without begging the public for it.

Not all cops are utter dickbags. I know several who aren't. Sadly, the ones that are make the good ones look just as guilty and just as bad as the jackbooted thugs. Maybe this guy is sick of that and wants the thugs out of his department and off the force in general. Stranger things have happened.
 
2014-04-28 02:50:34 PM
He's just going to find another job.
 
2014-04-28 02:58:16 PM

FullMetalPanda: Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?


They're making a slildeshow for the holiday party.
 
2014-04-28 03:06:59 PM

SpectroBoy: lymond01: Why audio is important. This could have been the scenario:

"You muthafarkin' pigs. You're worthless sacks of lard!"
"Yes yes. So we've heard."
"I'm gonna come back and cap all you pigs. Soon as my dad gets me out..."
"Kid, you need to be quiet."
"I'm gonna grab my dad's shotty and hunt you down, your family..."
"Oh fer Christ's sake will someone shut this drunk kid up before he goes from a night in lockup to 20 years..."
"Yah. I bet you have kids too. I'll shoot their little heads right....gack! Gurgle!"


Even if this is EXACTLY what the drunk said cops ARE NOT allowed to beat you up or choke you out because you hurt their widdle feewings.


Did you read the second to last line? It wasn't about hurting their feelings, the hypothetical was about preventing little Johnny from a 20 year sentence for terroristic threats to officers (made when drunk, not meant in any way, and said when he had no farking idea what he was saying because he was three sheets to the wind).

Does it justify a choking? Nope. That's a felony assault if I understand it correctly. But if little Johnny saw and heard the tape when sober and realized he could be facing a decent sentence for what he said, do you think the odds are high that he'd press charges? If I was little Johnny, I'd call it a wash, ask if the charges against me could be dropped in exchange for dropping charges against the officers and go on my merry way in that hypothetical situation. People get charged with shiat they do when drunk or high every day, and in the hypothetical posed above that we're commenting on, the kid would and could be responsible for his stupidity. Knocking him out would have been doing him a favor--though I sincerely doubt that's what occurred, since officers have been disciplined over it so quickly.
 
2014-04-28 03:18:46 PM
I went on facebook and thanked Sheriff J.J. I thanked a cop. Me. One of the most rabid pot legalization proponents on the face of the Earth. I thanked a cop because this kind of story is so rare. How long did it take New Mexico to charge those cops that executed a homeless guy? Someone is killed at my county Sheriff jail practically once a month -- all accidents and suicides of course, strangely committed using confiscated belts. We are in a police state and it is getting worse. Don't let the legalization of pot in two states fool you, there will be a backlash and it will be violent. That's why this story is so shocking, so unusual and so outstanding it deserves attention. To that end we should also thank the Sheriff who has done what so many other sheriffs are too criminal, corrupt or evil.

/ absolutely stunned
 
2014-04-28 03:39:26 PM

CrazyCurt: I went on facebook and thanked Sheriff J.J. I thanked a cop. Me. One of the most rabid pot legalization proponents on the face of the Earth. I thanked a cop because this kind of story is so rare. How long did it take New Mexico to charge those cops that executed a homeless guy? Someone is killed at my county Sheriff jail practically once a month -- all accidents and suicides of course, strangely committed using confiscated belts. We are in a police state and it is getting worse. Don't let the legalization of pot in two states fool you, there will be a backlash and it will be violent. That's why this story is so shocking, so unusual and so outstanding it deserves attention. To that end we should also thank the Sheriff who has done what so many other sheriffs are too criminal, corrupt or evil.

/ absolutely stunned


Who the fark was that kid anyway?
'Cause that is onlyist thing I can imagine happened here.
 
2014-04-28 03:40:33 PM

studebaker hoch: He's just going to find another job.


Maybe. The act of firing him is admission of guilt. The kid just got a free pass to sue the crap out of him and press charges.
 
2014-04-28 03:40:37 PM

studebaker hoch: He's just going to find another job.


Not from under this bus.
This is just the first chapter.
 
2014-04-28 03:42:08 PM

nyseattitude: studebaker hoch: He's just going to find another job.

Maybe. The act of firing him is admission of guilt. The kid just got a free pass to sue the crap out of him and press charges.


The real gold is the cops holding him that failed to do their "Protect" part of "Servicing".
This is a target rich environment.
 
2014-04-28 03:55:47 PM

April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?


Because, you see, cops HAVE to stick together.  They are a band of brothers.  Brothers in arms.  Their jobs are statistically almost as dangerous as those of fishermen and pizza drivers, dontchaknow.  Why do you hate freedom?
 
2014-04-28 03:59:14 PM

danielscissorhands: Are you suggesting that it is not possible to determine that he's an a**hole from the photograph? If so, I respectfully disagree.


How many times does it take you to reread my post and understand that that's the opposite of the joke I was making?
I'll give you a moment.

 If it's more than three, I respectfully call you a drunkard and a charlatan.


Also, the word's "asshole."
 
2014-04-28 04:02:13 PM

CrazyCurt: I went on facebook and thanked Sheriff J.J. I thanked a cop. Me. One of the most rabid pot legalization proponents on the face of the Earth. I thanked a cop because this kind of story is so rare. How long did it take New Mexico to charge those cops that executed a homeless guy? Someone is killed at my county Sheriff jail practically once a month -- all accidents and suicides of course, strangely committed using confiscated belts. We are in a police state and it is getting worse. Don't let the legalization of pot in two states fool you, there will be a backlash and it will be violent. That's why this story is so shocking, so unusual and so outstanding it deserves attention. To that end we should also thank the Sheriff who has done what so many other sheriffs are too criminal, corrupt or evil.

/ absolutely stunned


Blargharghbl with Froot Chunx.
 
2014-04-28 04:06:31 PM

nyseattitude: studebaker hoch: He's just going to find another job.

Maybe. The act of firing him is admission of guilt. The kid just got a free pass to sue the crap out of him and press charges.


I look forward to other people stepping up to tell about their own experiences with this guy.
 
2014-04-28 04:13:41 PM
The cop looks like Bobby Hill.
 
2014-04-28 05:53:35 PM
And, again, we see that action was taken against the cop not when he actually committed the offense, even though it was observed by other cops, but only when pictures of the offense were published in a public forum.

It's not just the "rare" bad cop that's part of the problem - it's the rest of the assholes that see this and just shrug their shoulders because, hey, he's a cop.

I'm glad he was fired, eventually, for committing aggravated assault. When cops like him are fired before photos of their crimes reach the newspapers, because the combination of occupational integrity and internal auditing ensures that cops like him don't last long, I'll be one of the first in line to cheer.

For now, though, I'm just awaiting the inevitable wrongful termination lawsuit, the tacit support of this asshole by his cop buddies, and the harassment of the kid's family.
 
2014-04-28 06:42:49 PM
Would be nice of some of those anonymous anonymous internet guys gave this fat loser "the business".  Like they did to that guy who claimed he knew the names of all the anonymous people.
 
2014-04-28 07:25:08 PM

redmid17: lizyrd: Shadowknight: NormallyTechnos: Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.

I think you vastly over estimate the power and/or motivation of the police union.

Indeed. I've been a union fire fighter in the Northeast for 6 years. I've seen 5 cops and two fire fighters fired during that time. It happens, it just doesn't always make it to the news.

I also think people are vastly overestimating the liklihood that the Knox County, Tennessee Sheriff's Office is a union shop. I don't know for certain one way or another, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that any organization in that part of the country is unionized.

Frankly I'd be amazed if they weren't unionized. Every single non-federal law enforcement agency I've ever heard of is unionized. The one exception, which was the only result I could find with a cursory search, is Camden PD, which closed shop and switched jurisdiction to the non-union Camden County police, who unionized almost as soon as they hit their recruitment quota.


You have to remember that the Police and Fire Unions can't, by law, organize a strike. They are effectively neutered in bargaining power. Most of what they do is help set up retirement funds, provide lawyers, providing aid to laid off or injured officers, and things like that.

This does include defending against unwarranted firing, but you'd be fooling yourself if you thought they want to touch this guy with a ten foot pole.

When I joined the PD 13 years ago, the first day we were filing out paperwork they told us "We can't strike anyway, so it's kind of a waste of money to join." Over half the Academy class opted out.

My dad was a lifelong Union man (UAW Local #699), and would have killed himself and me if I hadn't. But it kind of shoes you how much power they actually have.
 
2014-04-28 07:25:40 PM

PreMortem: "The investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General's Office to determine any further action."

Strangulation= aggravated assault= 3-6 years. But it's a cop we're talking about, so I'm actually surprised he got fired.

This former cop has the looks of an animal torturer.


It should be attempted murder. And by the looks of the 'officer' in question I would guess it's not his first.
 
2014-04-28 07:26:47 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The victim has a punchable face. The officer showed a lot of restraint by simply holding him by the neck.

Case dismissed.


Is that an attempt at humor or genuine dickheadedness?
 
2014-04-28 07:30:03 PM

FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?


There's always a risk of this happening. Psychopaths are attracted to occupations where they can wield power over others so the police force is always going to be over represented with them. Also applied to politicians, teachers, the military and the clergy.
 
2014-04-28 07:31:15 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Good on the leadership in that department. Police should be friends with the community, not the oppressors of it.

But still, that victim had a terribly punchable face.


OK, I take back my dickhead remark.
 
2014-04-29 12:56:21 AM

thamike: danielscissorhands: Are you suggesting that it is not possible to determine that he's an a**hole from the photograph? If so, I respectfully disagree.

How many times does it take you to reread my post and understand that that's the opposite of the joke I was making?
I'll give you a moment.

 If it's more than three, I respectfully call you a drunkard and a charlatan.


Also, the word's "asshole."


I got it in 7 tries!

I didn't know you could get swear words past the Fark filter. Impressive.
 
2014-04-29 09:11:39 AM
wow, what a douche
glad he's getting the shaft

hate powertripping fatties
 
2014-04-29 09:44:43 AM

natas6.0: hate powertripping fatties


cdn.visualnews.com
 
2014-04-29 10:35:39 AM

thamike: natas6.0: hate powertripping fatties

[cdn.visualnews.com image 600x355]


I have been in the same plane as Richard.
He is a trip all by himself.
 
2014-04-29 10:59:22 AM
Notice nothing is being done to the multiple officers that held him while he abused this compliant prisoner?

Notice the dozens of officers all watched this violent thug attack this kid and did nothing to stop him

Because he was just 1 bad apple in a department full of good apples.
 
2014-04-29 11:37:17 AM

OnlyM3: Notice nothing is being done to the multiple officers that held him while he abused this compliant prisoner?

Notice the dozens of officers all watched this violent thug attack this kid and did nothing to stop him

Because he was just 1 bad apple in a department full of good apples.


I know SOP when I see it.
 
2014-04-29 11:37:55 AM

OnlyM3: Notice nothing is being done to the multiple officers that held him while he abused this compliant prisoner?

Notice the dozens of officers all watched this violent thug attack this kid and did nothing to stop him

Because he was just 1 bad apple in a department full of good apples.


According to various novels and random blogs, nobody messes with the chief, or in this case Sheriff.
 
2014-04-29 11:38:29 AM
That bastard cop has all the rest of the Nancy Boys playing cop in the exact same grip of fear.
 
2014-04-29 11:53:45 AM

FormlessOne: even though it was observed by other cops,


Going by the image, they were concentrating on the dudes back changing handcuffs, not paying attention to him.

Also, I've heard of cops being disciplined, even fired, when no video evidence was available, but it's logical enough that video evidence generally makes doing so easier.  For good or bad you need enough evidence to build a solid case.
 
2014-04-29 12:26:03 PM
Oh noes, I can't spell on my phone! Hahahahah!! Like anything we say here matters that much!  LOL!
 
2014-04-29 12:36:59 PM

captcaveman: Oh noes, I can't spell on my phone! Hahahahah!! Like anything we say here matters that much!  LOL!


Doing okay there, fella?
 
2014-04-29 01:41:32 PM

thamike: captcaveman: Oh noes, I can't spell on my phone! Hahahahah!! Like anything we say here matters that much!  LOL!

Doing okay there, fella?


I'm super, thanks ThaMike for asking!  A lot of the time I'm reading Fark on my phone to make me laugh in the morning. BTW: I still stand by what I said. We own the cops and all the ground forces. We outnumber them millions to one. Just park all over the road near the stations. They have to drive on the road too. Can't get out? They don't have an air strip in their back yard to move troops to any location. Just by working together as a community of car drivers we can immobilize ground moving forces in seconds. Do you know how powerful you are in large groups of cars? Just putting that out there.
 
2014-04-29 02:35:10 PM

captcaveman: thamike: captcaveman: Oh noes, I can't spell on my phone! Hahahahah!! Like anything we say here matters that much!  LOL!

Doing okay there, fella?

I'm super, thanks ThaMike for asking!  A lot of the time I'm reading Fark on my phone to make me laugh in the morning. BTW: I still stand by what I said. We own the cops and all the ground forces. We outnumber them millions to one. Just park all over the road near the stations. They have to drive on the road too. Can't get out? They don't have an air strip in their back yard to move troops to any location. Just by working together as a community of car drivers we can immobilize ground moving forces in seconds. Do you know how powerful you are in large groups of cars? Just putting that out there.


Doing okay there, fella?
 
2014-04-29 03:15:53 PM

captcaveman: thamike: captcaveman: Oh noes, I can't spell on my phone! Hahahahah!! Like anything we say here matters that much!  LOL!

Doing okay there, fella?

I'm super, thanks ThaMike for asking!  A lot of the time I'm reading Fark on my phone to make me laugh in the morning. BTW: I still stand by what I said. We own the cops and all the ground forces. We outnumber them millions to one. Just park all over the road near the stations. They have to drive on the road too. Can't get out? They don't have an air strip in their back yard to move troops to any location. Just by working together as a community of car drivers we can immobilize ground moving forces in seconds. Do you know how powerful you are in large groups of cars? Just putting that out there.


meet you there bud.  4pm friday.  I'll totes come.
 
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