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2014-04-28 08:08:01 AM
I just came to biatch about the auto-load video.
 
2014-04-28 08:10:21 AM
Must have a shiatty union rep there.
 
2014-04-28 08:10:52 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 225x300]

He looks familiar.
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.



I think you're confused. This is who you're thinking of:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-28 08:11:03 AM

JoieD'Zen: hubiestubert: Good.

Sh*t like this only makes other officers' jobs harder.

When I was doing security, there were cops that I dreaded be called onto the scene if we needed them for an ejection. Luckily, our crew often worked out at a gym where a lot of the local cops trained, and we talked a lot, and those officers were slowly weeded out from calls to the club, because we weren't dicks about it, but most cops just want to get through a night without any real trouble. They have to be ready for it, but no one really wants that sh*t. Dealing with the public, and not at their best, that does wear on folks. I quit doing security, because people just suck when they're in public sometimes, and the first New Year that I DIDN'T have to talk to the police or an EMT, that was amazing. Doing that every day? With a big ass target on my ass? No, thank you.

I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.

It's got to be frustrating as hell sometimes but there is no excuse for what they did. It looked as if it were a standard routine and the 2 officers holding the guy should be charged as well.


It's not an excuse. We have to hold our officers to a high standard. For their sakes as well as for the safety of the public.

I've worked with plenty of good officers--more than the asshats with control issues and attitude or just simple corrupt laziness--and their jobs are made even harder when people expect the cops to be asshats.

Nobody likes being stopped in traffic. No one likes to see the cops roll in on a noise call. How cops deal with trivial calls, that affects how they're treated on more serious ones. You KNOW that the cops are going to roll in when you're acting a fool, and treat you with a modicum of dignity and respect, that makes their job easier, and your night better. It also makes you more likely to call them in when things get sketchy, and that trust is important. This thread is an illustration of this point. How many folks are saying, in general, that cops are just thugs? That's an impression made by sh*tty policing.

In my area, it's a toss up. Greenfield, Mass isn't exactly a hotbed of crime. The crime we DO have, it ranges from crappy domestic violence calls, break ins, to some fairly BIG heroin and meth busts, and yes, the occasional loud party and bar fight. Most of our cops know their neighborhood--it's not a big town--and because they're in the town, and they know folks personally, they aren't hard chargers. Talking with folks to find out what the Hells is going on, helping the homeless and the odd drunk home, that makes for folks' impressions that the cops aren't there just to be dickheads. They deal with enough baseheads that it can turn ugly very fast if you screw with them. But it's a toss up. Nothing calls, loud neighbors, to pissed off rural drug labs with jacked up pale ass gangster wannabes. Lately, we've had a rash of bank robberies, and late night hold ups at convenience stores, so there's a lot more patrols, and that has the cops a bit on edge--and these are not the norm, so if and when these cats get caught, things will likely return to a slower pace.
 
2014-04-28 08:11:32 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Police, bringing one of their own to justice?

What kind of trick is this?


It's called "the sheriff's election has already started". Early voting apparently started.
 
2014-04-28 08:11:45 AM
Well at least know we know that The Big Boss Man really didn't die, he just retired from the WWE and has been living as a cop in Knoxville this whole time.
 
2014-04-28 08:12:24 AM

grinding_journalist: hubiestubert: I have a lot of respect for the police in general. It's a hard job, most of the folks within our police forces are decent and it only takes a few incidents to tarnish the rest of the force, and make everyone's life harder for it. Good on them for this, and hopefully it will be a wake up call for the rest.

So you're saying it's just a few bad apples?

Your story seems to imply there are only a few good apples.


In that video, there were three bad apples but only a third of them were removed from the force.
 
2014-04-28 08:13:34 AM
Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-04-28 08:14:52 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The victim has a punchable face. The officer showed a lot of restraint by simply holding him by the neck.

Case dismissed.


The victim is probably smirking because he's thinking about all the money he's going to get from the brutality lawsuit he's going to bring.

The fact the cop got fired makes it a slam dunk. But, damn, his face is punchable.
 
2014-04-28 08:17:01 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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Hail Hydra!
 
2014-04-28 08:18:18 AM
Good.
 
2014-04-28 08:20:22 AM
what about the police that were behind the choke-ee, holding the kid?  Are they not implicit in this as well?  wtf is THAT about?

Would be GREAT if the force did a review of his past actions as well as firing him.  You know, to clear the air a bit.

Is the fired cop married?  I'd worry about his wife then, she's likely to take a beat-down real soon.
 
2014-04-28 08:21:30 AM
I know the cop was wrong. I am not defending him. But, this IS a pretty slappable face.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
hej
2014-04-28 08:21:36 AM
"Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.
 
2014-04-28 08:22:39 AM

deffuse: Wow.... I'm actually amazed he got fired.


Honestly, in a lot of these cases the asshole ends up fired eventually. It's a long standing tradition with police departments to wait until the media finds a new bone to chew on in an attempt to not air dirty laundry.

I personally hate the policy, since the bad news is already out there. Banishing the justice-being-done aspect to a blurb on page six just gives the impression that nothing was ever done. But most of the higher ups feel that a public firing and shaming would be an admission of guilt on behalf of the department as a whole or something.

It's good to see this kind of done in full light of day for a change.
 
2014-04-28 08:24:54 AM

captcaveman: They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

OMG Im trying to work here.. can you stop.
 
2014-04-28 08:28:08 AM

doglover: captcaveman: You literary own the cops.

You literally don't. The Government owns the cops.

You FIGURATIVELY own it, and thus cops, but it's literally not yours.


Fight the good fight. Oxford might no longer have your back, but I do.
 
2014-04-28 08:31:49 AM
Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.
 
2014-04-28 08:35:27 AM
This would never have happened in Jersey, even with a video tape.  It takes years to get a cop fired, and in the few cases it's actually happened, they end up collecting pensions, and/or being hired in some other gov job.  I'm gonna guess this cop will remain "fired" until the media attention stops and will be reinstated by this department, or hired by another department.
 
2014-04-28 08:35:44 AM

NormallyTechnos: Fire him now, then refuse to put up a defense to the union arbitration and suit afterwards..

Sheriff looks good, and after his reelection the cop will be back on payroll with back pay.


I think you vastly over estimate the power and/or motivation of the police union.
 
2014-04-28 08:36:45 AM
Coincidentally, it's election time in Knox County.
 
2014-04-28 08:39:20 AM

PreMortem: "The investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General's Office to determine any further action."

Strangulation= aggravated assault= 3-6 years. But it's a cop we're talking about, so I'm actually surprised he got fired.


Came in to say this. Glad to see it said in the Boobies.
 
2014-04-28 08:42:50 AM

hej: "Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.


I have a feeling that charge is going to be dismissed real soon.
 
2014-04-28 08:43:11 AM

MycroftHolmes: FullMetalPanda: lucksi: 800 people party? Jeez

"This incident provides a perfect example of why we are in the process of purchasing officer worn body cameras (video and audio recordings) so incidents like this will be fully documented."

Not that is a statement where police gets my respect. We need more of that.

Umm, so they expect this to keep happening and they just want to document it instead of prevent it?

Documenting it is the first step to preventing it.  How can you act on something when you do not know or am not sure what is happening?  Not sure what ground there is to try and pick at the statement above.


I remember reading a Fark thread a few months ago about police cruiser cameras having a giant tampering rate. I'm sure body-worn cameras will suffer the same fate.
 
2014-04-28 08:45:15 AM

ransack.: That's BS. Any of you would have done the same in his shoes.


What size are his shoes? They'd probably be too small for me, so I'd probably be massaging my feet in the squad car.
 
2014-04-28 08:51:23 AM

ghare: ransack.: That's BS. Any of you would have done the same in his shoes.

I absolutely know I would.

But then, I'm smart enough to know that means I shouldn't be a cop.


This is exactly right. +1.

/ My father once pointed out that he could never be a Coast Guard rescue diver, because the first time someone put his life in danger by ignoring posted warnings to stay off the water that day, he wasn't entirely sure he would be able to resist the urge to hold that person's head under.

// Some people are square pegs trying to fit into round jobs.
 
2014-04-28 09:03:11 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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Not that I in anyway condone the actions of these cops, but the perp's not handcuffed at that point....
 
2014-04-28 09:03:47 AM
I hope he is charged and found guilty so he also loses his 2nd Amendment rights and right to vote for tea party asshats.
 
2014-04-28 09:04:26 AM

hej: "Authorities identified the man seen being taken into custody in the photos as 21-year-old Jarod Dotson. He was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest."

Of course he was.


Resisting arrest has become a 'catch-all' charge now. It's like the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in hockey: you think the player did something wrong, but cant classify it as tripping or roughing or cross-checking, etc. So, you charge them with unsportsmanlike conduct and toss them in the box.

Unfortunately, it's being overused for just about anything today when a cop wants to be a dick and detain you for no reason. They tell you that you're under arrest (for no reason) and when you ask what the charge is, they immediately slap you with resisting and claim that is why you are being detained. Then they use that time to trump up a charge against you to justify the original arrest.
 
2014-04-28 09:05:22 AM

I'm an Egyptian!: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 225x300]

He looks familiar.
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.


I think you're confused. This is who you're thinking of:

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( well, without the hair...)
 
2014-04-28 09:11:24 AM

The Loaf: SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


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Not that I in anyway condone the actions of these cops, but the perp's not handcuffed at that point....


He was handcuffed, they were switching cuffs because he was going into a van and the cop who cuffed him was getting "his" cuffs back.

If you look at all the pictrues it appears that after he was cuffed again the cop decided to apply more pressure and that is whent he guy collapses to his knees.
 
2014-04-28 09:11:46 AM
Wow that was fast!  Salute to Know County SO for getting rid of him so quickly.  Also, been around since '92.  Possibly a string of incidents and enough was enough.
 
2014-04-28 09:14:37 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: I'm an Egyptian!: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 225x300]

He looks familiar.
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Now I know where I've seen that face before.


I think you're confused. This is who you're thinking of:

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( well, without the hair...)


Gotta disagree. Personality-wise, I would imagine spot on, but Rabban actually has a neck. Looking at the potato-like way his head and neck smoothly join, I hafta say he's definitely 1/2 Sontaran on his father's side.
 
2014-04-28 09:25:18 AM
Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?
 
2014-04-28 09:27:28 AM

SpectroBoy: I know the cop was wrong. I am not defending him. But, this IS a pretty slappable face.

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He's smiling because now all of his tuition is paid, and then some.
 
2014-04-28 09:29:54 AM
Hollywood couldn't have picked a more vile looking character to play that role.
 
2014-04-28 09:32:03 AM
img.fark.net   i48.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-28 09:34:22 AM

Explodo: SpectroBoy: I know the cop was wrong. I am not defending him. But, this IS a pretty slappable face.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x380]

He's smiling because now all of his tuition is paid, and then some.


QFT
 
2014-04-28 09:35:15 AM
I could wish the two cops holding the suspect had made different choices, but they were in a situation and busy switching restraints on a suspect. For all we know, the first thing they did after their shift was talk to their boss about the cop that did the choking, "Hey, this guy really pulled an obnoxious stunt out there."

Okay, I don't really think there's a snowball's chance in hell that the other two reported it, but I wouldn't have thought there was a chance in hell this guy would be fired, either.If they reported it, it would make sense why they got some action short of termination.
 
2014-04-28 09:38:00 AM

April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?


Because after they do that if any of those good cops ever make a radio call requesting backup the department may just experience a strange department wide radio malfunction.
 
2014-04-28 09:42:09 AM
I never understand the arrests in these situations.  Kids have a loud party, cops break it up, kids get charged with public intoxication.  Well they wouldn't be out in public unless you broke up their party now would they?  I mean I can completely understand breaking up the party but unless you have them on drug possession or supplying alcohol to a minor or something how can you possibly arrest someone for being drunk in public right after you forced them to go out in public?
 
2014-04-28 09:47:07 AM
A-hole pig got off lightly.


If a citizen physically attacks another citizen it is called "felony assault"


Why then do we not hold our officers to the same standard?
 
2014-04-28 09:48:31 AM

captcaveman

Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in.

They'll just disable the cameras with no repercussions.

They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room.

Stacey Koon, Laurence Powell, Timothy Wind, Theodore Briseno, etc... all disagree with you.
 
2014-04-28 09:54:17 AM
captcaveman: Control the cops with ease just by having multiple videos of any event they are involved in. They cannot lie to the monitor in a court room. Always remember, the cops work for US and the Office of Professional Standards is fully tax payer funded, and traffic tickets, and redlight cameras, and property forfeiture, and.. and.. . You literary own the cops. Don't let them forget that for a second. When they do, fire them outright. Have no mercy on them what so ever.

Oh aren't you precious. Go up to a cop and tell him "You work for me". Get back to us in a month when he stops laughing at you.
 
2014-04-28 09:54:28 AM

April Bond: Being a girl maybe I don't know the mentality.  But why don't the good cops, if there are only a few bad apples, take the few bad ones out back and "explain" that they are messing it up for the rest of us?


You know, there was a time we'd take a guy like you out back and beat you with a hose; now you got your Goddamn unions.
 
2014-04-28 09:54:29 AM
All the whining about the cops "bullying" the drunks fails to recognize that 800 drunk college kids is about one idiot getting froggy from being a full-blown riot with cop cars turned over and set on fire. This doesn't just happen a lot on college campuses, it almost ALWAYS happens. It also doesn't look like that old, fat cop is choking the kid, just holding him by the neck (probably with his thumbs on pain pressure points, so if the kid starts to be a problem, he can control him with just a little squeeze).

There's nothing good about a block party with hundreds of drunk teenagers and kids in their early '20s milling about drunk on the street. You want to have a party for 30-40 people, fine; but 800? That's just a riot waiting to happen.
 
2014-04-28 09:55:24 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x422]


They announced demotions for the other officers in the first article.  If that is suppose to mean something, I don't know.
 
2014-04-28 09:55:34 AM

craigdamage: A-hole pig got off lightly.


If a citizen physically attacks another citizen it is called "felony assault"


Why then do we not hold our officers to the same standard?


Hopefully more will come.

FTA: A statement from Sheriff J.J. Jones said the investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General's Office to determine any further action.
 
2014-04-28 09:59:50 AM

lack of warmth: SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x422]

They announced demotions for the other officers in the first article.  If that is suppose to mean something, I don't know.


Reread. They commented on the fact that five officers got demoted for a previous stunt. They weren't talking about Larry and Moe.
 
2014-04-28 10:03:50 AM

SpectroBoy: Let's not gloss over the fact that NONE of the other cops are stopping him. Two of them are holding the HANDCUFFED suspect while the third cop is choking him.


If I'm the sheriff, all 3 are canned and referred for criminal charges.
 
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