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2014-04-27 07:25:40 PM
Welcome to the "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" discussion thread and drinking game!

"Sisters "of the Sun
Season 1, Episode 8
The episode explores the violent cosmic phenomenon of supernovas, which on average occur once per galaxy per century or one billion times per year in the observable universe. The episode pays homage to the discoveries of two female astronomers, Cecilia Payne (voiced by Kirsten Dunst) and Annie Jump Cannon (voiced by Marlee Matlin), and the obstacles faced by female scientists, especially those working in the early 20th century. Payne discovered the chemical composition of stars and that they consist largely of Hydrogen. Cannon developed the first catalog the spectral characteristics of stars.[1] The episode's title refers to the scientific contributions of the female scientists featured in the episode as well as how their discoveries helped advance our knowledge of the composition of stars.

Tonight's rules:

Neil says:

Billion(s) - big sip
Billions and billions - finish your drink
Star(s) - sip
Cosmos - sip
Sun - sip
 
2014-04-27 07:36:37 PM
Stupid Arizona/Pacific time. :(
 
2014-04-27 07:37:59 PM
I love the show.

But I do have a criticism question.  Why use the animation to portray events that occurred in modern times?  For example last week; the story of the guy who discovered the age of the earth by examining lead atoms in rocks (and subsequently led to the elimination of lead in gasoline).  Couldnt some actual footage have been used instead?
 
2014-04-27 07:39:29 PM

Frederick: I love the show.

But I do have a criticism question.  Why use the animation to portray events that occurred in modern times?  For example last week; the story of the guy who discovered the age of the earth by examining lead atoms in rocks (and subsequently led to the elimination of lead in gasoline).  Couldnt some actual footage have been used instead?


Production cost, I imagine. The Sagan version had actual vignettes in historical places and full costume.
 
2014-04-27 07:58:21 PM

crypticsatellite: Annie Jump Cannon (voiced by Marlee Matlin)


Two things don't make sense. One, why are they getting a deaf woman to do voice-overs? (Yes, I know she can speak and if I'm not mistaken, read lips as well. But, come on!) And two, isn't it kind of defeating the purpose of the show to be killing brain cells with a drinking game while watching something that's supposed to be educational?
 
2014-04-27 07:59:11 PM

Frederick: I love the show.

But I do have a criticism question.  Why use the animation to portray events that occurred in modern times?  For example last week; the story of the guy who discovered the age of the earth by examining lead atoms in rocks (and subsequently led to the elimination of lead in gasoline).  Couldnt some actual footage have been used instead?


I'll speculate it's the budget for the show and the fact that actual footage of the guy wasn't around from back then. The original project that had nothing to do with lead wasn't exactly the sort of thing that made headlines, and by the time the issue had gone to leaded gasoline, you'd be looking at pre-80s quality 480p VHS recordings or 60s-quality "put a film camera in front of a flickering TV" at best.

I'm about to duck out for a few hours and miss the whole thread because the last time I tried, the livestream was kill halfway through the episode, and I still had to wait until it aired in my time zone, but did anyone solve the easter egg from last week?

i.imgur.com

(image pops to full resolution of ciphertext from last week's episode)

To Whom It May Concern:

I kaue belyis asldouykja ih Dr. Joaisha aoiyc
yo anj ahncing ao ahas hayets an nas alidh I uidbd
as isn ans anslj hise npasince ajdn ro uoua noinx. I
sisa dunnit.

Jo une as huys cnaohn adn I sn ye ned nall nar fafo
ud nas alcn ns nadpuwnan ns mxowa dn asnsx neasasd.
Us oa maspohtn nchapc has nemd naxonc nda a olfn shne.
Ut'd si noly nad ttamer forebe I liww eb skaed surensn
dna I strut evah ni snad wndf nommina a lasnran I an
noigg ns eb asmmarrahed nea ns enaskea lese noccedtd
asnd fluandnfa. Hud and nos snas hgr uet. Bd nde bad-
ubuna ns od hfddis byysbaely nsjding. Bd Eoasu ns noc-
nisuhd nsas Mr. Bhus Mr. Liwduyg nads I haosihd heat
use curyer nrey sill ne badhf kjsch lahdsuy ausshesna.

I lash ndkjsd nrt beeg  assy hunsi akjsdn nosethe
jad neeh chinved pasnd nrg aoijs fouasn is = 1000
fullnsd.

Robert A. Kehoe, M.D.,
Director, Kettering Institute
University of Cincinnati.

A frequency graph that shows 75 "s", 48 "d", 31 "h".... and so on, even if I farked up and misinterpted some of the letters, sure doesn't look like a random distribution of letters to me.  Anyways, it'll give you something to do during commercials.
 
2014-04-27 08:07:17 PM

crypticsatellite: Welcome to the "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" discussion thread and drinking game!

"Sisters "of the Sun
Season 1, Episode 8
The episode explores the violent cosmic phenomenon of supernovas, which on average occur once per galaxy per century or one billion times per year in the observable universe. The episode pays homage to the discoveries of two female astronomers, Cecilia Payne (voiced by Kirsten Dunst) and Annie Jump Cannon (voiced by Marlee Matlin), and the obstacles faced by female scientists, especially those working in the early 20th century. Payne discovered the chemical composition of stars and that they consist largely of Hydrogen. Cannon developed the first catalog the spectral characteristics of stars.[1] The episode's title refers to the scientific contributions of the female scientists featured in the episode as well as how their discoveries helped advance our knowledge of the composition of stars.

Tonight's rules:

Neil says:

Billion(s) - big sip
Billions and billions - finish your drink
Star(s) - sip
Cosmos - sip
Sun - sip


How about "Sagan" = finish the drink of the person to your right
 
2014-04-27 08:15:22 PM
Better get my drinks lined up. Only 45 minutes to go. SQUEEE
 
2014-04-27 08:25:50 PM
I'm gonna drink every time NDT makes a disparaging remark about what someone else thinks.

/I'm still drunk from the first episode
 
2014-04-27 08:31:59 PM

InterruptingQuirk: I'm gonna drink every time NDT makes a disparaging remark about what someone else thinks.

/I'm still drunk from the first episode


That's not drunk. That's Down's Syndrome.
 
2014-04-27 08:35:19 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Frederick: I love the show.

But I do have a criticism question.  Why use the animation to portray events that occurred in modern times?  For example last week; the story of the guy who discovered the age of the earth by examining lead atoms in rocks (and subsequently led to the elimination of lead in gasoline).  Couldnt some actual footage have been used instead?

Production cost, I imagine. The Sagan version had actual vignettes in historical places and full costume.


And they were, in the main, cheesy and awful, and the low point in an otherwise wonderful show. I'm delighted they've gone the animation route this time.
 
2014-04-27 08:35:28 PM
If anyone with Netflix hasn't seen Tyson's "The Inexplicable Universe" series, they should watch it. It's basically a series of lectures with minimal production values (there are some post production visual aids scattered throughout but it's less "edutainment" than the current iteration of Cosmos).
 
2014-04-27 08:37:51 PM
That last episode was awesome.  It's time for science to stop assuming that they don't have to make any arguments other than the research that is published. It's time for science to go on the offensive.

I loved how they directly refuted young earthers.  With all the "religion in schools, anti vaccine, anti climate science, anti truth" stuff going on, science has to launch a major counter mission.  The survival of our species is at stake.
 
2014-04-27 08:41:18 PM
"Millions and billions and bbUUUURRAAAPPPPPPP"
 
2014-04-27 08:41:21 PM
Every time he snarks off at creationists: go to the 7-Eleven and buy another case of Leinenkugel. Drink.
 
2014-04-27 08:49:38 PM
Missed watching the last few live and reading these threads.

Now I'm not so busy, time to sit back and relax with the rest of you geeks :D
 
2014-04-27 08:50:45 PM

InterruptingQuirk: I'm gonna drink every time NDT makes a disparaging remark about what someone else thinks.

/I'm still drunk from the first episode


Why are you watching if you are a science denying fundy?  If you aren't, why post that comment?

Some guy who thinks he knows the age of the earth by researching the bible should have disparaging remarks made about him.

Do you really think that an opinion based on nothing but scripture is as good as an opinion based on observation and research"?
 
2014-04-27 08:51:30 PM
I wish I could share my pre-show celebrations with Carl.
 
2014-04-27 08:51:34 PM

Pokey.Clyde: crypticsatellite: Annie Jump Cannon (voiced by Marlee Matlin)

Two things don't make sense. One, why are they getting a deaf woman to do voice-overs? (Yes, I know she can speak and if I'm not mistaken, read lips as well. But, come on!) And two, isn't it kind of defeating the purpose of the show to be killing brain cells with a drinking game while watching something that's supposed to be educational?


Because Annie Jump Cannon was deaf.
 
2014-04-27 08:51:58 PM

HenryFnord: InterruptingQuirk: I'm gonna drink every time NDT makes a disparaging remark about what someone else thinks.

/I'm still drunk from the first episode

That's not drunk. That's Down's Syndrome.


And in return I get a disparaging remark about trisomy 21.
 
2014-04-27 08:56:49 PM

rbuzby: InterruptingQuirk: I'm gonna drink every time NDT makes a disparaging remark about what someone else thinks.

/I'm still drunk from the first episode

Why are you watching if you are a science denying fundy?  If you aren't, why post that comment?

Some guy who thinks he knows the age of the earth by researching the bible should have disparaging remarks made about him.

Do you really think that an opinion based on nothing but scripture is as good as an opinion based on observation and research"?



Because I don't care for the attitude. It's rude and counterproductive to the portion of the audience most in need of education. Also, assuming they won't listen is just as disparaging as the remarks against them. My beliefs are not relevant here, and stating such will probably elicit an assumption of what I believe, all I am speaking to is the patronizing attitude with the disparaging remarks. How much did the kid with the dunce hat on learn while sitting in the corner as the other kids stuck their chewing gum inside the pages of his books as 'he won't use them anyway'.
 
2014-04-27 08:57:56 PM
I hope he mentions this little known fact

static5.quoteswave.com
 
2014-04-27 08:58:40 PM
Oh, be a fun giant; kick me!
 
2014-04-27 08:58:53 PM

Fark Angelic Choir: Every time he snarks off at creationists


Classy.

The fact he sunk to their level and stayed there has made me lose respect for him.
 
2014-04-27 08:59:41 PM
scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-04-27 08:59:43 PM

InterruptingQuirk: rbuzby: InterruptingQuirk: I'm gonna drink every time NDT makes a disparaging remark about what someone else thinks.

/I'm still drunk from the first episode

Why are you watching if you are a science denying fundy?  If you aren't, why post that comment?

Some guy who thinks he knows the age of the earth by researching the bible should have disparaging remarks made about him.

Do you really think that an opinion based on nothing but scripture is as good as an opinion based on observation and research"?


Because I don't care for the attitude. It's rude and counterproductive to the portion of the audience most in need of education. Also, assuming they won't listen is just as disparaging as the remarks against them. My beliefs are not relevant here, and stating such will probably elicit an assumption of what I believe, all I am speaking to is the patronizing attitude with the disparaging remarks. How much did the kid with the dunce hat on learn while sitting in the corner as the other kids stuck their chewing gum inside the pages of his books as 'he won't use them anyway'.


I haven't found the tone of the show's comments againt anti-science to be disparaging. I've found them to be about as respectful as they could be while still being uncompromising. Sure, I can imagine that many of the hyper religious will find them insulting anyway, but the only way to offend NO-ONE is to never bring it up. By doing it the way they have, I think they will reach some, and the ones they offend will never see reason anyway.
 
2014-04-27 08:59:53 PM

Twilight Farkle: Frederick: I love the show.

But I do have a criticism question.  Why use the animation to portray events that occurred in modern times?  For example last week; the story of the guy who discovered the age of the earth by examining lead atoms in rocks (and subsequently led to the elimination of lead in gasoline).  Couldnt some actual footage have been used instead?

I'll speculate it's the budget for the show and the fact that actual footage of the guy wasn't around from back then. The original project that had nothing to do with lead wasn't exactly the sort of thing that made headlines, and by the time the issue had gone to leaded gasoline, you'd be looking at pre-80s quality 480p VHS recordings or 60s-quality "put a film camera in front of a flickering TV" at best.

I'm about to duck out for a few hours and miss the whole thread because the last time I tried, the livestream was kill halfway through the episode, and I still had to wait until it aired in my time zone, but did anyone solve the easter egg from last week?

[i.imgur.com image 850x531]

(image pops to full resolution of ciphertext from last week's episode)

To Whom It May Concern:

I kaue belyis asldouykja ih Dr. Joaisha aoiyc
yo anj ahncing ao ahas hayets an nas alidh I uidbd
as isn ans anslj hise npasince ajdn ro uoua noinx. I
sisa dunnit.

Jo une as huys cnaohn adn I sn ye ned nall nar fafo
ud nas alcn ns nadpuwnan ns mxowa dn asnsx neasasd.
Us oa maspohtn nchapc has nemd naxonc nda a olfn shne.
Ut'd si noly nad ttamer forebe I liww eb skaed surensn
dna I strut evah ni snad wndf nommina a lasnran I an
noigg ns eb asmmarrahed nea ns enaskea lese noccedtd
asnd fluandnfa. Hud and nos snas hgr uet. Bd nde bad-
ubuna ns od hfddis byysbaely nsjding. Bd Eoasu ns noc-
nisuhd nsas Mr. Bhus Mr. Liwduyg nads I haosihd heat
use curyer nrey sill ne badhf kjsch lahdsuy ausshesna.

I lash ndkjsd nrt beeg  assy hunsi akjsdn nosethe
jad neeh chinved pasnd nrg aoijs fouasn is = 1000
fullnsd.

Robert A. Kehoe, M ...


I doubt it's anything.  Or at least not a simple replacement cipher.  That "I" starts to paragraphs on its own indicate that it is either "I" or "A," but the same later appears later in "ni" and the only two-letter word ending in "i" or "a" that could possibly fit in a normal letter would be "pi."

/Also, women be sciencing tonight.  About time.
 
2014-04-27 09:00:40 PM
Hey, there's my home!
 
2014-04-27 09:01:14 PM
SCIENCE!!!!!!
 
2014-04-27 09:01:30 PM

Pokey.Clyde: killing brain cells with a drinking game


"SMART"
 
2014-04-27 09:01:49 PM
I live in the middle of a city, you can see about 5 stars. I don't think I've ever seen the full glory of the Milky Way with my own eyes.

I'll have to remedy that soon.
 
2014-04-27 09:02:08 PM
Hey guys, no spoilers, k? Thx, bye.
 
2014-04-27 09:02:42 PM
I got back from camping JUST in time...and Neil was right....no light pollution = Diamond dust on black velvet!!
 
2014-04-27 09:02:57 PM
First 10 seconds 2 sips (stars said twice).  I don't know how long I'll be able to hold up.
 
2014-04-27 09:03:08 PM
already drunik, billions and billions ... yeah Tequila Cuervo baby!!!!
 
2014-04-27 09:03:25 PM
Praise science!
 
2014-04-27 09:03:29 PM
WE LOST THE STARS!
 
2014-04-27 09:03:44 PM
Yay humans.
 
2014-04-27 09:04:28 PM
Is Neil sitting next to Devil's Tower? I used to make that out of my mashed potatoes when I was in school.
 
2014-04-27 09:04:44 PM
Pleedees?

Playadees,no?
 
2014-04-27 09:05:55 PM
I do love me some Samhain
 
2014-04-27 09:06:17 PM
OH shiat BEARS
 
2014-04-27 09:06:19 PM
We can dance if we want to
we can leave our camp behind
 
2014-04-27 09:06:41 PM
I love this story. I tell it in classes I teach about astronomy.

Frederick: But I do have a criticism question. Why use the animation to portray events that occurred in modern times? For example last week; the story of the guy who discovered the age of the earth by examining lead atoms in rocks (and subsequently led to the elimination of lead in gasoline). Couldnt some actual footage have been used instead?


Animation DominationTM
 
2014-04-27 09:06:57 PM
This is important. This means something.
 
2014-04-27 09:07:03 PM
The bears are after their periods!!!
 
2014-04-27 09:07:22 PM
Uh-oh, Devils Tower! Play the 5 tones!
 
2014-04-27 09:07:26 PM
But do the bears shiat in the woods?
 
2014-04-27 09:07:38 PM
That's some nice neck!!
 
2014-04-27 09:08:12 PM
heh Orion the creeper
 
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