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(Rome News-Tribune)   If you had three days after Georgia's "guns in bars" bill was signed for the first fatal shooting in a bar, come on up and collect your prize   (northwestgeorgianews.com) divider line 55
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2014-04-27 08:27:24 PM
8 votes:
www.mindhuestudio.com
2014-04-27 07:08:12 PM
6 votes:

Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.


Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.
2014-04-27 08:16:11 PM
5 votes:
Everyone sure loves their murder tools. Gotta have one with me at every moment, just in case there's a murder to be done.
2014-04-27 06:55:20 PM
5 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns


Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.
2014-04-27 08:16:50 PM
4 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.


The number of repeat offenders pretty much disproves that.
2014-04-27 06:39:55 PM
4 votes:
For the record, you have always been able to carry a gun into a bar in Pennsylvania. No blood in the streets.

I think people make a big deal about this because as a rule alcohol and guns do not mix. On the face of it that would be a reasonable conclusion. However, the only people allowed to carry guns in Pennsylvania have permits, and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns. I suspect that's the trend everywhere.

In the end it all cancels out.
2014-04-27 07:34:00 PM
3 votes:

Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.


How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-27 06:21:51 PM
3 votes:
The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.
2014-04-27 06:20:35 PM
3 votes:
Has the law even gone into effect yet?
2014-04-27 10:43:10 PM
2 votes:

Pokey.Clyde: EvilEgg: My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Kind of defeats the purpose of concealed carry, doesn't it?

/didn't think that one all the way through, did you?


I'm 100% against concealed carry. They should be visible. After all, isn't the wet dream wank fantasy that you'll use the gun to save the day instead of shoot yourself in the ass? Might as well make it visible so everyone knows you're a total badass, amirite????
2014-04-27 08:56:17 PM
2 votes:

redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not a hell of a lot more.  I would like to see what the failure rate is for people that take the course to get the CHL.  If it is under 10% then they are just wasting everybody's time and they cancel the requirement.

What are the CCW application requirements in your state?

Dont be a felon.

oh and...no, thats all.

Unless you live in an constitutional carry state, you're missing a few things there.

Its a "shall issue" state.

Then you're missing still missing a few steps there.

Sorry I misunderstood "application" for "sign up for course".  Its a two day "dont take your gun here, here or there and 20 min at the range.  If you qualify with a revolver you can only carry a revolver if you qualify with an semi-automatic you can carry either.

You have to submit fingerprints along with undergoing a background check as well. That's what I was getting at.

Even if it isn't difficult, it's far more time consuming and more effort than favorited!ing down $50 at a gun show.


Perhaps i'm a little jaded but the state has my dd214 on file, they issued me a license plate that has a purple heart on it and yet they want me to sit and listen to some farkwad ex cop lecture me on firearms safety and personal responsibility then require me to pay to be fingerprinted (when my fingerprints, palm prints, photo and DNA are already on file with the feds.
2014-04-27 08:37:31 PM
2 votes:
I own guns and I like them but I'm not a fanatic. Like, I have no need for an assault weapon -- which isn't cheap to fire. I don't hunt so I don't require an over priced, precision cannon.

In my drinking days, I would bet bucks that at any given night, in any of the many bars I frequented, if you shook down the patrons, you'd find at least two guns. (I took one away from a drunk friend of mine, whisked it out of the bar, unloaded it and locked it in the car.)

Almost every Friday night, someone shot someone else in a bar. Especially in the many Country bars we had at the time. Even I was smart enough while drunk to not carry a gun into a bar. Booze tends to wipe out common sense and make folks quick to anger, which means that gun comes out a lot faster and they don't think of the consequences.

It's illegal in my state to carry a gun into a bar. It's illegal to carry a loaded gun on your person without a permit. Discharging a weapon in a residential area is illegal. You may carry a gun in your car, so long as it is like in the glove box and unloaded. It must take you three steps to get the gun and shoot it. You must also notify any police officer who stops you if you have a gun in the car.

Making it legal for folks to carry a weapon in a bar is just asking for a jump in the death toll. I've met a whole lot of folks in bars who I wouldn't trust with a rubber knife, let alone a loaded gun.
2014-04-27 08:36:54 PM
2 votes:

Bullseyed: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Liberals never let facts get in the way of their fascism.

If the law had been in effect, a good guy could have stopped him.


You're dealing with hoplophobics.  They're irrational by their very nature.
2014-04-27 08:32:26 PM
2 votes:
This is a picture of the club.

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

People don't always obey signs or laws.
2014-04-27 08:23:31 PM
2 votes:
Chicago.

That is all.
2014-04-27 08:23:00 PM
2 votes:

DubtodaIll: EvilEgg: Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Why would you call the cops if you saw someone peacefully going about their business with a holstered gun?


Because he is an idiot.
2014-04-27 07:50:50 PM
2 votes:

EvilEgg: Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.


As the law does not take effect until July 1, 2014, any non law-enforcement individual who carries a firearm into a bar is carrying illegally.

After July 1, 2014, management of such establishments may choose to enact a prohibition on carrying firearms on the premises, to eliminate any ambiguity.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Your proposal is unreasonable.
2014-04-27 07:47:41 PM
2 votes:

EvilEgg: My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.


Kind of defeats the purpose of concealed carry, doesn't it?

/didn't think that one all the way through, did you?
2014-04-27 07:23:35 PM
2 votes:

ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.


Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.
2014-04-28 04:44:56 PM
1 votes:

Bullseyed: Liberals never let facts get in the way of their fascism.


Liberal fascism? What the fark does that even mean?
2014-04-28 03:34:04 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: I didn't say anything that wasn't true. It's not my fault some moron can't read the thread before posting.


You most certainly did. $50 at a gun show most definitely does not get you a CCW permit.
2014-04-28 10:30:12 AM
1 votes:

theprinceofwands: No hyperbole whatsoever. In fact, there are a number of militias that have included this in their 'bright line' statements.


There is never going to be "another" armed revolution in the United States. Never. No matter how much the gun nuts masturbate to the thought of some sort of an uprising against their own government, it is not going to happen, no matter what the government does.

Enjoy your guns, I enjoy mine. But don't pretend that you're preparing for some day when you and your buddies have to take up arms against the United States military. So have another Budweiser, go to the range and pray that someone breaks into your house so you get to legally shoot a real person like a good gun nut. Because the revolution isn't happening.
2014-04-28 08:46:15 AM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: well: in a thorough manner

regulate: to make rules or laws that control (something)

militia: generally is an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular, full-time military personnel.


Altogether now:

Make thorough rules or laws that control a fighting force that is composed of citizens subject of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation.


c1.staticflickr.com

He doesn't use citations
He takes things out of context
He is easily confused by late 17th century sentence structure and syntax
He thinks a militia is the same thing as an army
He still doesn't understand what "regulated" means in this context
2014-04-28 02:30:28 AM
1 votes:
If concealed-carry is what requires the strong background checks (in some jurisdictions), why isn't open carry more legal?

I'm weird, since I'm in favor of relaxed gun laws in some ways and tighter laws in other ways. Needing a license to own a gun seems like mostly a good idea to me, but other laws like allowing guns in bars is just dumb.
2014-04-28 12:00:53 AM
1 votes:
Haven't read the comments, but I just want to say Rome, GA represent!

Glad we could make Fark.

/wish it wasn't for a shooting
2014-04-27 10:16:22 PM
1 votes:

theprinceofwands: HawgWild: theprinceofwands: Freedom to not be forced to purchase insurance or pay a fine.
Freedom to speak and/or assemble peacefully (without undue burden at least).
Freedom from unwarranted search & seizure.
Freedom from unjust detention without speedy trial.

That's a tax. Supreme Court says so. And I think we still have the 1st and 4th Amendments, as well as habeas corpus.

So ... yeah, no.

The supreme court also said we had to return slaves, separate but equal was ok, japanese internment was acceptable, corporations are people with unlimited political funding options, etc. Just because the court says something doesn't actually make it true...merely accepted.

We have empty amendments - ask anyone in Gitmo, ask the people having their data mined, etc, etc, etc.

So, yeah, yes.

I'm not saying we're nazi germany (YET), but neither do we retain the freedoms we once held. Period. Any attempt to suggest otherwise is ignorance, or intentional evil.


Holy crap, dude. The government boogey man ain't out to get you.
2014-04-27 10:11:20 PM
1 votes:

ronaprhys: DC doesn't really qualify as that's drug-related or gang-related crime. Those other places have their own issues. Specifically called out was a change in the rate of firearm-related problems when the laws were relaxed.


So the goalposts got moved because drug or gang related crime doesn't count.

And the second part of my previous response: A rise in gun death and injuries in areas where large percentages of the population have access to firearms, a statistic directly derived from making it easier to acquire firearms.

I don't support a ban. I think confiscation is an implausible idea that dumb people wank to. I'm saying that projectile launchers capable of ending a human life, either through malice or negligence, are under-regulated for the potential harm one could do with it. I also believe responsible, intelligent gun owners are the majority (like any hobby group - the 10% asstard demographic gets undue attention relative to their size).

Cars, alcohol, weaponry, and especially drugs need a serious re-evaluation on policy goals.
2014-04-27 10:07:26 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.


Well the bigger story is the last club at this location had its license pulled for violence, some clubs just have issues and LEGAL guns have never been the issue.
2014-04-27 09:48:05 PM
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.


It depends on the state, there are a couple states that'll basically just hand 'em to you.

However, GA's CCP has reciprocity with TX (in both directions, I think), so I can guarantee you that they require the 8-hour legal course + conflict resolution training (literally police refresher training in most cases) and the range-based proficiency demonstration at minimum.

Also, it's most likely still illegal to carry while  intoxicated, I don't think there's a state in the union where that's not a felony, frequently one harsh enough to carry jail time.


theprinceofwands: Well for me it's a big pain in the butt to have to disarm every time I walk into someplace 21 and over. It can create panic when people see me pulling the gun out in the parking lot. It opens me to having it stolen if my vehicle is broken into. It creates an opportunity for an accident (like an accidental discharge).


Look, I have some degree of sympathy with your annoyance, but you really have to understand that that's all that it is... annoyance.  Handle the gun properly, in this case by removing it from the holster before exiting the vehicle and stowing it somewhere that it isn't visible, and don't ever draw it with your dumbass finger on the farking trigger in any situation you're not actually trying to shoot something, and literally none of that is any kind of real hazard at all.

I've disarmed hundreds of times outside no-CC areas (I work in one) and never once have I even come close to being careless enough that any of those things were a possibility.  If there's any non-negligible chance of accidental discharge when you disarm, especially, you're bad enough at handling the weapon that you're a danger to yourself and others just from having it and should probably stop carrying altogether.

That is not hyperbole or a joke: if there is some potential for a negligent discharge to occur in the course of pulling your piece out of a holster and sticking it into a concealed auto compartment (or I suppose seat holder) then you  should not be in the possession of a firearm.

// If you seriously got to the age where you can possess a CCP without once doing something stupid or dangerously clumsy in the "barely avoided injury" sense... then you're a damned liar, of course you have.  And thus you understand damned well why the gun should not go into the bar.  Even if you're not inebriated you're someone else's drunken stumble plus some bad luck from a hole in the proprietor's nice bar stools.
2014-04-27 09:42:13 PM
1 votes:

theprinceofwands: Flappyhead: theprinceofwands: bojon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.

No requirements for insurance can be held lawful/constitutional. Attempts to require it would result in immediate, total revolution.

Suuuuure it would.  Turn down the hyperbole dial a little.

No hyperbole whatsoever. In fact, there are a number of militias that have included this in their 'bright line' statements.


The "cold, dead hands" crowd are a bunch of phonies. If the government passed a law banning guns tomorrow there would be a very small number of holdouts. Acting tough is easy to do in the absence of any realistic chance that they will be put to the test. Put them to that test and they'll fold.
2014-04-27 09:35:11 PM
1 votes:

DarkVader: theorellior: [www.mindhuestudio.com image 600x337]

Cute.

But no.

You see, both guns and abortion are rights, neither should be subject to stupid restrictions.


YOU!  are absolutely correct.
2014-04-27 09:26:03 PM
1 votes:

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: EnderX: HawgWild: Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...
LaurenAguilera: Oh yay. This sh*t again.

SPOONS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

WHAAAAAARGARBL MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT WAJALFJLEFJJF

All we are asking for is the same enforcement they have with the 1st Amendment. Let us carry our weapons and if we use them incorrectly after the fact THEN hold us accountable.

So... you want to be considered a militia but you don't want to be well-regulated you say?


Since 'well-regulated' means only 'practiced', I don't see how that applies.
2014-04-27 09:12:38 PM
1 votes:
As this happened at "  3:15 a.m. at the Chevy Club, 3365 Cave Spring Road, officials stated earlier. The Chevy Club was formerly known as the Cadillac Club."  and that no reason for the shooting, or who did what in that bar it's a little early to make assumptions.
It's quite possible the dead guy was the aggressor,and one of the others in the bar put him down.

Should wait for more info before making a fool of yourself over this incident...

2014-04-27 09:05:58 PM
1 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: ronaprhys: Relax the laws and people will die everywhere.

No, relax the laws and it increases the probability (however small) that a farktard with more itchy trigger finger than sense will get a gun he or she would not otherwise have qualified for and use it to commit violence (intentional or unintentional violence)


Except that it doesn't happen to any statistically significant amount.  Ever.

Simple fact is that you're wrong.  Completely and utterly.  In fact, firearm crimes tend to decline or, at worst, stay constant.
2014-04-27 09:03:47 PM
1 votes:

bojon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.


No requirements for insurance can be held lawful/constitutional. Attempts to require it would result in immediate, total revolution.
2014-04-27 09:00:07 PM
1 votes:

theprinceofwands: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not everywhere. In fact, In many states you don't even need to go through a permit process, and when you do it often requires nothing beyond forking over a few bucks and waiting on the basic background check. Some do require more, but not always.


We're talking about GA here.  Because it's a new thing.  Therefore, the media will concentrate on this because they're lazy shiatbags.

The simple fact is that when firearm restrictions are relaxed in the US, the streets never run red with blood. This stands in stark contrast to what idiots predict and clamor about.  Every Single Time it happens.  Relax the laws and people will die everywhere.

The fact that it never happens doesn't prevent idiots from spouting the same tired BS.
2014-04-27 08:50:47 PM
1 votes:
It's OK that he's dead because he was going to drive home drunk from the bar the 6.5 miles to his home.
The gunman was just saving the busload of pregnant nuns and orphans on US 27

/amidoingitright
2014-04-27 08:48:55 PM
1 votes:
i have to ask, what do CCW holders hope to accomplish with a law like this?

Not even figuring in the intoxication factor, bars are often crowded, it's loud, it's dark, sometimes there's pushing and shoving. If they were suddenly faced with the "bad guy with a gun" scenario they get excited over, it seems they'd be more likely to shoot someone who had nothing to do with it. FFS, even Old West Saloons didn't want firearms inside.

It's the same reason guns in movie theaters is a horrible idea.
2014-04-27 08:44:42 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.


Not that it matters, if the bar owners put up a sign that says "no guns allowed hee-ya" then it's illegal to carry one in, and possibly on, the property.

Say, a sign like this one that's in front of the bar in TFA:

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

"Foster was shot and killed earlier this morning during an incident that happened at 3:15 a.m "

Pretty sure bars close at 0200 per state law.
2014-04-27 08:43:47 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Dimensio: redmid17: phalamir: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who willinglygives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

The number of repeat offenders pretty much disproves that.

Let me fix that for OP. The states that release statistics on CCW arrests (TX, NC, MI, FL) off the top of my head show an arrest rate a small fraction of that for the general population. DUI was the most common arrest. Violent crime is pretty much negligible.

I have been infromed by the Violence Policy Center that actual crime data regarding concealed weapons permit holders cannot be reasonably assessed because the National Rifle Association has worked to block states from releasing lists of the names and addresses of concealed weapons permit holders to anyone who asks.

However, the organization estimate that concealed weapons permit holders is much higher than claimed.

A political organization estimates the data that doesn't agree with their policy goals actually does agree with their policy goals and blames a rival political organization?

Ya don't say?


I am certain that the maths employed by the Violence Policy Center to arrive at their estimates are just as credible and as fact-based as the maths employed by conservative organizations who question the reported number of healthcare exchange sign-ups.
2014-04-27 08:40:04 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: redmid17: phalamir: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who willinglygives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

The number of repeat offenders pretty much disproves that.

Let me fix that for OP. The states that release statistics on CCW arrests (TX, NC, MI, FL) off the top of my head show an arrest rate a small fraction of that for the general population. DUI was the most common arrest. Violent crime is pretty much negligible.

I have been infromed by the Violence Policy Center that actual crime data regarding concealed weapons permit holders cannot be reasonably assessed because the National Rifle Association has worked to block states from releasing lists of the names and addresses of concealed weapons permit holders to anyone who asks.

However, the organization estimate that concealed weapons permit holders is much higher than claimed.


A political organization estimates the data that doesn't agree with their policy goals actually does agree with their policy goals and blames a rival political organization?

Ya don't say?
2014-04-27 08:37:01 PM
1 votes:

redmid17: thisisarepeat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not a hell of a lot more.  I would like to see what the failure rate is for people that take the course to get the CHL.  If it is under 10% then they are just wasting everybody's time and they cancel the requirement.

What are the CCW application requirements in your state?


Dont be a felon.

oh and...no, thats all.
2014-04-27 08:33:58 PM
1 votes:

Pokey.Clyde: EvilEgg: My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Kind of defeats the purpose of concealed carry, doesn't it?

/didn't think that one all the way through, did you?


It's a way people who really don't like the idea of a particular right have to pretend that they're allowing it. Kind of like, "You have the right to free speech, so we've designated that fenced-in area way over there as the place for you to exercise it."
2014-04-27 08:30:57 PM
1 votes:

soseussme: What a tragic turn of events, but really, who is psychic and could predict anything like this?

Still, what an unfortunate coincidence. Probably not enough people know about the law yet, or there would have been other responsible gun owners carrying there to shoot him to prevent any violence.


As has already been stated: the change in law is not effective until July 1, 2014.
2014-04-27 08:30:22 PM
1 votes:

phalamir: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who willinglygives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

The number of repeat offenders pretty much disproves that.


Let me fix that for OP. The states that release statistics on CCW arrests (TX, NC, MI, FL) off the top of my head show an arrest rate a small fraction of that for the general population. DUI was the most common arrest. Violent crime is pretty much negligible.
2014-04-27 08:27:27 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: EvilEgg [TotalFark]

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.
How does anyone know the laptop a guy is carrying is legally owned by him our not? We should call the cops on anyone with a laptop even if that would be harrasing a "possibly" law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to pin all their receipts to their jacket.


You should have gone with cars.  Cars kill more people and that's important in these arguments.
2014-04-27 08:23:09 PM
1 votes:
EvilEgg [TotalFark]

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

How does anyone know the laptop a guy is carrying is legally owned by him our not? We should call the cops on anyone with a laptop even if that would be harrasing a "possibly" law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to pin all their receipts to their jacket.
2014-04-27 08:23:01 PM
1 votes:
What a tragic turn of events, but really, who is psychic and could predict anything like this?

Still, what an unfortunate coincidence. Probably not enough people know about the law yet, or there would have been other responsible gun owners carrying there to shoot him to prevent any violence.
2014-04-27 08:22:58 PM
1 votes:
The Chevy Club was formerly known as the Cadillac Club.

*snert*
2014-04-27 08:20:08 PM
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Mugato [TotalFark]

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Why is it not at all surprising that the guy that supports the government restricting the First also hates the Second.

// Also not surprised you lie about the facts. A carry permit has nothing to do with gun-shows.
2014-04-27 08:18:42 PM
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fusillade762 [TotalFark]

Has the law even gone into effect yet?

Subby is a typical ignorant. you can already legally carry in a bar in GA. Has been legal to do so for years.

The headline should be "Years after GA allows guns in bars, 1 person out of the hundreds libtards predicted got shot."

Same bullshiat as claiming 1 record high temp "proves" global warming.
2014-04-27 08:16:40 PM
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Pokey.Clyde: EvilEgg: My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Kind of defeats the purpose of concealed carry, doesn't it?

/didn't think that one all the way through, did you?


Defeat the pupose of CCW? Kinda the point.

So who didn't think that through, now?
2014-04-27 08:16:38 PM
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EvilEgg: Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.


Why would you call the cops if you saw someone peacefully going about their business with a holstered gun?
2014-04-27 07:20:47 PM
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Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.


I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.
2014-04-27 07:16:42 PM
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Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.


Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.
 
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