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2014-04-27 09:00:06 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Adolf Oliver Nipples: For the record, you have always been able to carry a gun into a bar in Pennsylvania. No blood in the streets.

I think people make a big deal about this because as a rule alcohol and guns do not mix. On the face of it that would be a reasonable conclusion. However, the only people allowed to carry guns in Pennsylvania have permits, and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns. I suspect that's the trend everywhere.

In the end it all cancels out.

So I guess you missed this thread from two days ago:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/25/bride-30-killed-21-year-old-nie ce -during-wedding-party-police-say/?cmpid=sem_fkfn


If she didn't have a CCW permit it doesn't change my point even one iota.
 
2014-04-27 09:00:07 PM

theprinceofwands: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not everywhere. In fact, In many states you don't even need to go through a permit process, and when you do it often requires nothing beyond forking over a few bucks and waiting on the basic background check. Some do require more, but not always.


We're talking about GA here.  Because it's a new thing.  Therefore, the media will concentrate on this because they're lazy shiatbags.

The simple fact is that when firearm restrictions are relaxed in the US, the streets never run red with blood. This stands in stark contrast to what idiots predict and clamor about.  Every Single Time it happens.  Relax the laws and people will die everywhere.

The fact that it never happens doesn't prevent idiots from spouting the same tired BS.
 
2014-04-27 09:01:40 PM
Texas has a law making it a felony for anyone, even a CCP holder, to carry a gun into a bar.

It is one of the few laws in this State which make sense.
 
2014-04-27 09:01:46 PM

EnderX: HawgWild: Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...
LaurenAguilera: Oh yay. This sh*t again.

SPOONS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

WHAAAAAARGARBL MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT WAJALFJLEFJJF

All we are asking for is the same enforcement they have with the 1st Amendment. Let us carry our weapons and if we use them incorrectly after the fact THEN hold us accountable.


So... you want to be considered a militia but you don't want to be well-regulated you say?
 
2014-04-27 09:02:11 PM

HawgWild: Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...


Some, but not necessarily.

1. Our violence is WAY down, possibly even lower than comparable areas.
2. The vast majority (up to 75%, depending on study used) of our violence is criminal on criminal events.
3. The single greatest likely causal factor in violence is poverty - specifically without social safety net. This is the primary reason other developed nations (most of which are socialized) frequently have lower overall crime/violence rates.
4. Regardless of our level of violence, we really don't have nearly as much freedom as we like to pretend (and it continues to decline).
 
2014-04-27 09:02:51 PM

KidneyStone: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Not that it matters, if the bar owners put up a sign that says "no guns allowed hee-ya" then it's illegal to carry one in, and possibly on, the property.

Say, a sign like this one that's in front of the bar in TFA:



"Foster was shot and killed earlier this morning during an incident that happened at 3:15 a.m "

Pretty sure bars close at 0200 per state law.


Last call time is county to county in Georgia.
 
2014-04-27 09:02:54 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Adolf Oliver Nipples: For the record, you have always been able to carry a gun into a bar in Pennsylvania. No blood in the streets.

I think people make a big deal about this because as a rule alcohol and guns do not mix. On the face of it that would be a reasonable conclusion. However, the only people allowed to carry guns in Pennsylvania have permits, and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns. I suspect that's the trend everywhere.

In the end it all cancels out.

So I guess you missed this thread from two days ago:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/25/bride-30-killed-21-year-old-nie ce -during-wedding-party-police-say/?cmpid=sem_fkfn

If she didn't have a CCW permit it doesn't change my point even one iota.


Even if she did, it doesn't obviate the fact that CCW/CPL holders, as a group, don't commit firearm crimes to any statistically significant amount.  Anecdote isn't the plural of data.
 
2014-04-27 09:03:43 PM

thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not a hell of a lot more.  I would like to see what the failure rate is for people that take the course to get the CHL.  If it is under 10% then they are just wasting everybody's time and they cancel the requirement.

What are the CCW application requirements in your state?

Dont be a felon.

oh and...no, thats all.

Unless you live in an constitutional carry state, you're missing a few things there.

Its a "shall issue" state.

Then you're missing still missing a few steps there.

Sorry I misunderstood "application" for "sign up for course".  Its a two day "dont take your gun here, here or there and 20 min at the range.  If you qualify with a revolver you can only carry a revolver if you qualify with an semi-automatic you can carry either.

You have to submit fingerprints along with undergoing a background check as well. That's what I was getting at.

Even if it isn't difficult, it's far more time consuming and more effort than favorited!ing down $50 at a gun show.

Perhaps i'm a little jaded but the state has my dd214 on file, they issued me a license plate that has a purple heart on it and yet they want me to sit and listen to some farkwad ex cop lecture me on firearms safety and personal responsibility then require me to pay to be fingerprinted (when my fingerprints, palm prints, photo and DNA are already on file with the feds.


That's a fair point. I could see an exception for honorably discharged soldiers being given a pass for a class as long as they pass the background check clean.
 
2014-04-27 09:03:47 PM

bojon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.


No requirements for insurance can be held lawful/constitutional. Attempts to require it would result in immediate, total revolution.
 
2014-04-27 09:03:57 PM

ronaprhys: Relax the laws and people will die everywhere.


No, relax the laws and it increases the probability (however small) that a farktard with more itchy trigger finger than sense will get a gun he or she would not otherwise have qualified for and use it to commit violence (intentional or unintentional violence)
 
2014-04-27 09:03:59 PM

Dimensio: doglover: Dimensio: redmid17: phalamir: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who willinglygives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

The number of repeat offenders pretty much disproves that.

Let me fix that for OP. The states that release statistics on CCW arrests (TX, NC, MI, FL) off the top of my head show an arrest rate a small fraction of that for the general population. DUI was the most common arrest. Violent crime is pretty much negligible.

I have been infromed by the Violence Policy Center that actual crime data regarding concealed weapons permit holders cannot be reasonably assessed because the National Rifle Association has worked to block states from releasing lists of the names and addresses of concealed weapons permit holders to anyone who asks.

However, the organization estimate that concealed weapons permit holders is much higher than claimed.

A political organization estimates the data that doesn't agree with their policy goals actually does agree with their policy goals and blames a rival political organization?

Ya don't say?

I am certain that the maths employed by the Violence Policy Center to arrive at their estimates are just as credible and as fact-based as the maths employed by conservative organizations who question the reported number of healthcare exchange sign-ups.


As am I, to wit they're both full of shiat because research costs money, and political researchers tend to arrive at statistics that support their patrons' causes. Never has a group like MADD done a study where sober teenage girls with a cell phone are found to be more dangerous behind the wheel than drunk race car drivers.

But actuaries who have no skin in the political game have crunched the numbers objectively. And consequently insurance rates reflect actual risk more accurately than political "estimations"
 
2014-04-27 09:04:41 PM

LaurenAguilera: EnderX: HawgWild: Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...
LaurenAguilera: Oh yay. This sh*t again.

SPOONS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

WHAAAAAARGARBL MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT WAJALFJLEFJJF

All we are asking for is the same enforcement they have with the 1st Amendment. Let us carry our weapons and if we use them incorrectly after the fact THEN hold us accountable.

I suppose the problem with that is, if you've used it incorrectly to, say, harm someone else... that's a pretty sh*tty deal. I don't really care either way, I had enough of guns and things in the military. I don't like seeing horrible things in the news that could have been prevented with maybe a mental health check, or a background check.


Had your fill did you, Lauren?
 
2014-04-27 09:05:58 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: ronaprhys: Relax the laws and people will die everywhere.

No, relax the laws and it increases the probability (however small) that a farktard with more itchy trigger finger than sense will get a gun he or she would not otherwise have qualified for and use it to commit violence (intentional or unintentional violence)


Except that it doesn't happen to any statistically significant amount.  Ever.

Simple fact is that you're wrong.  Completely and utterly.  In fact, firearm crimes tend to decline or, at worst, stay constant.
 
2014-04-27 09:06:49 PM

theorellior: [www.mindhuestudio.com image 600x337]


Hey, that kinda sounds like...  Oh, nevermind.  I like the graphic though.
 
2014-04-27 09:07:40 PM

theprinceofwands: bojon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.

No requirements for insurance can be held lawful/constitutional. Attempts to require it would result in immediate, total revolution.


You mean like obamacare?
Yes...his BS is unconstitutional too.
 
2014-04-27 09:08:25 PM

redmid17: phalamir: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who willinglygives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

The number of repeat offenders pretty much disproves that.

Let me fix that for OP. The states that release statistics on CCW arrests (TX, NC, MI, FL) off the top of my head show an arrest rate a small fraction of that for the general population. DUI was the most common arrest. Violent crime is pretty much negligible.


In fact several studies have showed that the rates of incident with permit holders is lower even than the rates for law enforcement personnel. Meaning there is no statistical support for restrictions on permit obtaining citizens that aren't first applied to the police.
 
2014-04-27 09:08:35 PM

thisisarepeat: LaurenAguilera: EnderX: HawgWild: Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...
LaurenAguilera: Oh yay. This sh*t again.

SPOONS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

WHAAAAAARGARBL MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT WAJALFJLEFJJF

All we are asking for is the same enforcement they have with the 1st Amendment. Let us carry our weapons and if we use them incorrectly after the fact THEN hold us accountable.

I suppose the problem with that is, if you've used it incorrectly to, say, harm someone else... that's a pretty sh*tty deal. I don't really care either way, I had enough of guns and things in the military. I don't like seeing horrible things in the news that could have been prevented with maybe a mental health check, or a background check.

Had your fill did you, Lauren?


Sure did, yo. Sure did. I still like the smell of gun oil, but no thanks for the actual guns. Didn't you get enough of them?
 
2014-04-27 09:12:06 PM

ronaprhys: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: ronaprhys: Relax the laws and people will die everywhere.

No, relax the laws and it increases the probability (however small) that a farktard with more itchy trigger finger than sense will get a gun he or she would not otherwise have qualified for and use it to commit violence (intentional or unintentional violence)

Except that it doesn't happen to any statistically significant amount.  Ever.

Simple fact is that you're wrong.  Completely and utterly.  In fact, firearm crimes tend to decline or, at worst, stay constant.


I never said crime. I said violence. There is a huge difference.

Intentional violence is taking the same hypothetical farktard mentioned above, putting him in a situation that causes him to discharge the weapon voluntarily - like shooting an immediate threat.

Unintentional violence is the farktard leaving the gun loaded and easily available where a toddler finds it.

A proper vetting process with safety training, target proficiency, proof of insurance, and preferably a mental health evaluation helps minimize that aspect of the problem.
 
2014-04-27 09:12:25 PM
It was Georgia. To be fair, he did look at him crossways.

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2014-04-27 09:12:37 PM

redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not a hell of a lot more.  I would like to see what the failure rate is for people that take the course to get the CHL.  If it is under 10% then they are just wasting everybody's time and they cancel the requirement.

What are the CCW application requirements in your state?

Dont be a felon.

oh and...no, thats all.

Unless you live in an constitutional carry state, you're missing a few things there.

Its a "shall issue" state.

Then you're missing still missing a few steps there.

Sorry I misunderstood "application" for "sign up for course".  Its a two day "dont take your gun here, here or there and 20 min at the range.  If you qualify with a revolver you can only carry a revolver if you qualify with an semi-automatic you can carry either.

You have to submit fingerprints along with undergoing a background check as well. That's what I was getting at.

Even if it isn't difficult, it's far more time consuming and more effort than favorited!ing down $50 at a gun show.

Perhaps i'm a little jaded but the state has my dd214 on file, they issued me a license plate that has a purple heart on it and yet they want me to sit and listen to some farkwad ex cop lecture me on firearms safety and personal responsibility then require me to pay to be fingerprinted (when my fingerprints, palm prints, photo and DNA are already on file with the feds.

That's a fair point. I could see an exception for honorably discharged soldiers being given a pass for a class as long as they pass the background check clean.


Well i wouldn't say it was necessarily clean... but they are all misdemeanors and none of them are violent,  this likes the devil weed.  Ahhem! I mean I have been in possession of medical grade marijuana I use to treat my PTSD in a state that would rather I just be labenzomized or suffer rather than smoking some pot.
 
2014-04-27 09:12:38 PM
As this happened at "  3:15 a.m. at the Chevy Club, 3365 Cave Spring Road, officials stated earlier. The Chevy Club was formerly known as the Cadillac Club."  and that no reason for the shooting, or who did what in that bar it's a little early to make assumptions.
It's quite possible the dead guy was the aggressor,and one of the others in the bar put him down.

Should wait for more info before making a fool of yourself over this incident...

 
2014-04-27 09:13:05 PM

theprinceofwands: bojon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.

No requirements for insurance can be held lawful/constitutional. Attempts to require it would result in immediate, total revolution.


Suuuuure it would.  Turn down the hyperbole dial a little.
 
2014-04-27 09:13:58 PM
Finally had some time to read this article.  So, if what I can read is correct, this shooting had absolutely nothing to do with the enacting of new legislation or CCW permits.  Yet, somehow, subby thinks their related and idiot mods decided to greenlight in an obvious attempt to gain clicks and revenue.

Sweet.
 
2014-04-27 09:15:23 PM

Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.


Dang.  What gun shows are you going to?  That'd be awesome to pick up hardware for that cheap.
 
2014-04-27 09:16:32 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I never said crime. I said violence. There is a huge difference.

Intentional violence is taking the same hypothetical farktard mentioned above, putting him in a situation that causes him to discharge the weapon voluntarily - like shooting an immediate threat.

Unintentional violence is the farktard leaving the gun loaded and easily available where a toddler finds it.

A proper vetting process with safety training, target proficiency, proof of insurance, and preferably a mental health evaluation helps minimize that aspect of the problem.


So, you attempt to limit your failed argument to something that's also failed? Prove that relaxing firearm laws actually leads to an increase in firearm violence.  Do so with actual facts and statistics.  Show a clear trend, not cherry picked anecdotes or logic that's been disproven by actual history.
 
2014-04-27 09:16:51 PM

theorellior: [www.mindhuestudio.com image 600x337]


Everytown for Rampant BS supports this message.
 
2014-04-27 09:16:52 PM

LaurenAguilera: thisisarepeat: LaurenAguilera: EnderX: HawgWild: Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...
LaurenAguilera: Oh yay. This sh*t again.

SPOONS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

WHAAAAAARGARBL MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT WAJALFJLEFJJF

All we are asking for is the same enforcement they have with the 1st Amendment. Let us carry our weapons and if we use them incorrectly after the fact THEN hold us accountable.

I suppose the problem with that is, if you've used it incorrectly to, say, harm someone else... that's a pretty sh*tty deal. I don't really care either way, I had enough of guns and things in the military. I don't like seeing horrible things in the news that could have been prevented with maybe a mental health check, or a background check.

Had your fill did you, Lauren?

Sure did, yo. Sure did. I still like the smell of gun oil, but no thanks for the actual guns. Didn't you get enough of them?


Different world, I can leave my firearms in the safe when I take a shiat.
 
2014-04-27 09:17:30 PM

redmid17: thisisarepeat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not a hell of a lot more.  I would like to see what the failure rate is for people that take the course to get the CHL.  If it is under 10% then they are just wasting everybody's time and they cancel the requirement.

What are the CCW application requirements in your state?


I realize you aren't asking me, but as an example:

WA state

be 21+ years of age
be a us citizen, or have an AFC
provide picture id and submit to fingerprinting (2 sets)
pay $52.50
not have lost the right to firearms by being a felon, or under court ordered surrender of firearms
not have an outstanding arrest warrant, be out on bond/bail for a felony charge, or have certain types of restraining orders in effect against you
(the last two items are determined by a basic criminal background check)
 
2014-04-27 09:18:35 PM
But yes, I was VERY relieved when I handed over that M4 for the last time.   I would like to have it back though.  For what the Army paid for it that is, not what they cost now.
 
2014-04-27 09:18:37 PM

theprinceofwands: 4. Regardless of our level of violence, we really don't have nearly as much freedom as we like to pretend (and it continues to decline).


Name a freedom you don't have anymore.
 
2014-04-27 09:19:42 PM
I like the writer's last name.  That's awesome.
 
2014-04-27 09:20:29 PM
thisisarepeat:

Different world, I can leave my firearms in the safe when I take a shiat.

Haha, true. Very true.
 
2014-04-27 09:20:45 PM

HawgWild: theprinceofwands: 4. Regardless of our level of violence, we really don't have nearly as much freedom as we like to pretend (and it continues to decline).

Name a freedom you don't have anymore.


Freedom from unreasonable surveillance.  Surveillance without a warrant.  Driving with a beer in hand (I'm over 40. It was legal when I was a kid).
 
2014-04-27 09:20:57 PM

thisisarepeat: redmid17: thisisarepeat: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not a hell of a lot more.  I would like to see what the failure rate is for people that take the course to get the CHL.  If it is under 10% then they are just wasting everybody's time and they cancel the requirement.

What are the CCW application requirements in your state?

Dont be a felon.

oh and...no, thats all.


PA, not philadelphia?
 
2014-04-27 09:23:13 PM

stoli n coke: i have to ask, what do CCW holders hope to accomplish with a law like this?

Not even figuring in the intoxication factor, bars are often crowded, it's loud, it's dark, sometimes there's pushing and shoving. If they were suddenly faced with the "bad guy with a gun" scenario they get excited over, it seems they'd be more likely to shoot someone who had nothing to do with it. FFS, even Old West Saloons didn't want firearms inside.

It's the same reason guns in movie theaters is a horrible idea.


Well for me it's a big pain in the butt to have to disarm every time I walk into someplace 21 and over. It can create panic when people see me pulling the gun out in the parking lot. It opens me to having it stolen if my vehicle is broken into. It creates an opportunity for an accident (like an accidental discharge).

Further, none of what you say has any factual, statistical backing. There are almost no accidental shootings from permit holders. A few, certainly, but its very VERY rare. It's simply not a reasonable issue. What's more, there have almost never been any significant events from lawful carry of any kind, only the rare random accident. Nearly all crime is, and always has been, from criminals intent on committing the crimes.
 
2014-04-27 09:23:14 PM

ronaprhys: Finally had some time to read this article



This is fark... why would you do that?
 
2014-04-27 09:23:20 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: For the record, you have always been able to carry a gun into a bar in Pennsylvania. No blood in the streets.


So what exactly are you implying about Georgians?
 
2014-04-27 09:23:37 PM

The Iron duke: As this happened at "  3:15 a.m. at the Chevy Club, 3365 Cave Spring Road, officials stated earlier. The Chevy Club was formerly known as the Cadillac Club."  and that no reason for the shooting, or who did what in that bar it's a little early to make assumptions.
It's quite possible the dead guy was the aggressor,and one of the others in the bar put him down.Should wait for more info before making a fool of yourself over this incident...


GORDON: Did the dude who got shot have it coming?  A lot of people in the world are figuratively begging to be shot, don't you think?

No! The shooter got kicked out of the club and was pissed off about it, so he got a gun (probably from his car) and went back in and started shooting randomly. The victim who died - who had just moved down here from PA a couple of weeks ago - was an innocent bystander, shot in the back of the head, fell with his hands still in his jeans pockets..........

/victim was my daughter's girlfriend's cousin.....the family is devastated.......



There was more information given earlier.  The dead guy was an innocent bystander and not the aggressor.  I'd also suggest looking for more info before making assumptions as well.  Saves a bit of headache.
 
2014-04-27 09:23:57 PM

Flappyhead: theprinceofwands: bojon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.

No requirements for insurance can be held lawful/constitutional. Attempts to require it would result in immediate, total revolution.

Suuuuure it would.  Turn down the hyperbole dial a little.


When Ogungrabberma  comes after the right a nationwide series of hi-tech hot air balloons will provide all the support the uprising needs. You fail to consider the idea that Smith & Wesson have developed a Mega Man (or Men) type robot series to effectively spot, reprogram and balloonify any invisible drone tanks Lockheed has made available to our heroic men and women in the US military. This is why the 2nd amendment is the only important amendment. It's the only one subtly authorizing software data banks that will subvert control of the power companies and allow the US Alliance for Freedom to weaponize the nation's reserves of McDonald's arches, Wal*Mart floral departments and Starbucks drive-thrus.
 
2014-04-27 09:24:52 PM
So is this the thread where libtards try to prove that guns r bad, mmmmkay?
 
2014-04-27 09:25:11 PM

way south: ronaprhys: Finally had some time to read this article


This is fark... why would you do that?


Boredom?  I'm watching two hockey teams I don't care about and had nothing better to do at the time.
 
2014-04-27 09:25:22 PM
Then there's this guy.

I'm sure the NRA would just love to put him in their commercials.
 
2014-04-27 09:26:03 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: EnderX: HawgWild: Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...
LaurenAguilera: Oh yay. This sh*t again.

SPOONS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

WHAAAAAARGARBL MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT WAJALFJLEFJJF

All we are asking for is the same enforcement they have with the 1st Amendment. Let us carry our weapons and if we use them incorrectly after the fact THEN hold us accountable.

So... you want to be considered a militia but you don't want to be well-regulated you say?


Since 'well-regulated' means only 'practiced', I don't see how that applies.
 
2014-04-27 09:26:25 PM

GORDON: Did the dude who got shot have it coming?  A lot of people in the world are figuratively begging to be shot, don't you think?


just looking at his FB page I'd have to say yeah he probably had it coming.

I wonder about the other 3 injured though.

3am in a bar is no place to be any way.
 
2014-04-27 09:27:26 PM

digistil: Adolf Oliver Nipples: For the record, you have always been able to carry a gun into a bar in Pennsylvania. No blood in the streets.

So what exactly are you implying about Georgians?


I'm implying that unless Georgia's citizens are barbarians the trend should hold there as well were that to be legalized, which refutes trollmitter's headline.
 
2014-04-27 09:27:27 PM

bojon: insurance


You can actually get that now.  Insurance that gives you legal coverage if you have to use a gun in self defense.  Decently priced too.  Like Drivers Legal Plan for truckers.

Of course most of the time when people have used that line it's an excuse to strip peoples ability to exercise their civil rights.
 
2014-04-27 09:27:41 PM

Hobodeluxe: GORDON: Did the dude who got shot have it coming?  A lot of people in the world are figuratively begging to be shot, don't you think?

just looking at his FB page I'd have to say yeah he probably had it coming.

I wonder about the other 3 injured though.

3am in a bar is no place to be any way.


Horseshiat.  3am and in a bar is winning.

Dick.
 
2014-04-27 09:28:24 PM

Hobodeluxe: GORDON: Did the dude who got shot have it coming?  A lot of people in the world are figuratively begging to be shot, don't you think?

just looking at his FB page I'd have to say yeah he probably had it coming.

I wonder about the other 3 injured though.

3am in a bar is no place to be any way.


Sez the guy who's probably never worked swing shift.
 
2014-04-27 09:29:53 PM

ronaprhys: Hobodeluxe: GORDON: Did the dude who got shot have it coming?  A lot of people in the world are figuratively begging to be shot, don't you think?

just looking at his FB page I'd have to say yeah he probably had it coming.

I wonder about the other 3 injured though.

3am in a bar is no place to be any way.

Horseshiat.  3am and in a bar is winning.

Dick.


nah in Ga. that's closing time. If you're still there that means you are a loser. or work there. but that's redundant.
 
2014-04-27 09:30:01 PM

trekkiecougar: GORDON: Did the dude who got shot have it coming?  A lot of people in the world are figuratively begging to be shot, don't you think?

No! The shooter got kicked out of the club and was pissed off about it, so he got a gun (probably from his car) and went back in and started shooting randomly. The victim who died - who had just moved down here from PA a couple of weeks ago - was an innocent bystander, shot in the back of the head, fell with his hands still in his jeans pockets..........

/victim was my daughter's girlfriend's cousin.....the family is devastated.......


Repeating this for those who want to blame the victim.....
 
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