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(Rome News-Tribune)   If you had three days after Georgia's "guns in bars" bill was signed for the first fatal shooting in a bar, come on up and collect your prize   (northwestgeorgianews.com) divider line 355
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2014-04-27 06:20:35 PM  
Has the law even gone into effect yet?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-27 06:21:51 PM  
The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.
 
2014-04-27 06:39:55 PM  
For the record, you have always been able to carry a gun into a bar in Pennsylvania. No blood in the streets.

I think people make a big deal about this because as a rule alcohol and guns do not mix. On the face of it that would be a reasonable conclusion. However, the only people allowed to carry guns in Pennsylvania have permits, and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns. I suspect that's the trend everywhere.

In the end it all cancels out.
 
2014-04-27 06:55:20 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns


Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.
 
2014-04-27 06:57:01 PM  
So the moral of the story is always be home by ten?
 
2014-04-27 07:08:12 PM  

Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.


Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.
 
2014-04-27 07:10:46 PM  
Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...
 
2014-04-27 07:16:42 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.


Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.
 
2014-04-27 07:20:47 PM  

Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.


I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.
 
2014-04-27 07:23:35 PM  

ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.


Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.
 
2014-04-27 07:30:53 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.


Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.
 
2014-04-27 07:34:00 PM  

Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.


How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.
 
2014-04-27 07:39:50 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.


It depends on the state.  Some states have unrestricted carry (no permit or application required).  The Shall-Issue states have some sort of licensing requirement.  It can be as simple as filling out a form, up to a minimum number of hours of a certified gun safety course.  There was a stink where some people were getting reciprocity CCW permits in one state, where it was something like you only had to watch an online safety video (which could be fast-forwarded) and that was it.

May-Issue states you have to demonstrate to your local local enforcement agency why you need a permit (hazardous job, crazy stalker ex, etc.)
 
2014-04-27 07:47:41 PM  

EvilEgg: My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.


Kind of defeats the purpose of concealed carry, doesn't it?

/didn't think that one all the way through, did you?
 
2014-04-27 07:50:50 PM  

EvilEgg: Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.


As the law does not take effect until July 1, 2014, any non law-enforcement individual who carries a firearm into a bar is carrying illegally.

After July 1, 2014, management of such establishments may choose to enact a prohibition on carrying firearms on the premises, to eliminate any ambiguity.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Your proposal is unreasonable.
 
2014-04-27 08:14:45 PM  
Did the dude who got shot have it coming?  A lot of people in the world are figuratively begging to be shot, don't you think?
 
2014-04-27 08:16:11 PM  
Everyone sure loves their murder tools. Gotta have one with me at every moment, just in case there's a murder to be done.
 
2014-04-27 08:16:31 PM  
Oh, this is gonna be GOOOOOOD.
 
2014-04-27 08:16:38 PM  

EvilEgg: Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.


Why would you call the cops if you saw someone peacefully going about their business with a holstered gun?
 
2014-04-27 08:16:40 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: EvilEgg: My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Kind of defeats the purpose of concealed carry, doesn't it?

/didn't think that one all the way through, did you?


Defeat the pupose of CCW? Kinda the point.

So who didn't think that through, now?
 
2014-04-27 08:16:50 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.


The number of repeat offenders pretty much disproves that.
 
2014-04-27 08:18:34 PM  
Oh yay. This sh*t again.

SPOONS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

WHAAAAAARGARBL MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT WAJALFJLEFJJF
 
2014-04-27 08:18:42 PM  
fusillade762 [TotalFark]

Has the law even gone into effect yet?

Subby is a typical ignorant. you can already legally carry in a bar in GA. Has been legal to do so for years.

The headline should be "Years after GA allows guns in bars, 1 person out of the hundreds libtards predicted got shot."

Same bullshiat as claiming 1 record high temp "proves" global warming.
 
2014-04-27 08:19:41 PM  

HawgWild: Violence is the price we pay for our freedom ...


They died FREE of jack-booted oppressive gun laws.

Are you a communist?
 
2014-04-27 08:20:08 PM  
Mugato [TotalFark]

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Why is it not at all surprising that the guy that supports the government restricting the First also hates the Second.

// Also not surprised you lie about the facts. A carry permit has nothing to do with gun-shows.
 
2014-04-27 08:20:23 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: For the record, you have always been able to carry a gun into a bar in Pennsylvania. No blood in the streets.

I think people make a big deal about this because as a rule alcohol and guns do not mix. On the face of it that would be a reasonable conclusion. However, the only people allowed to carry guns in Pennsylvania have permits, and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns. I suspect that's the trend everywhere.

In the end it all cancels out.


Plus most of the bans covered restaraunts in general. Not just bars. Plus its still illegal to carry while drinking in most places.
 
2014-04-27 08:21:18 PM  

bojon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.


For what purpose?
 
2014-04-27 08:21:33 PM  

"The Chevy Club was formerly known as the Cadillac Club. "


Just by those names I can tell that is one classy bar. Is it located near the Pinto Packy?

 
2014-04-27 08:22:38 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: EvilEgg: My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Kind of defeats the purpose of concealed carry, doesn't it?

/didn't think that one all the way through, did you?


Also probably wouldn't be too hard to fake one well enough for most people.
 
2014-04-27 08:22:58 PM  
The Chevy Club was formerly known as the Cadillac Club.

*snert*
 
2014-04-27 08:23:00 PM  

DubtodaIll: EvilEgg: Dimensio: ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.

Facts are not important when evaluating public safety policy.

/Whether the shooter had a valid concealed weapons permit is also irrelevant.

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

Why would you call the cops if you saw someone peacefully going about their business with a holstered gun?


Because he is an idiot.
 
2014-04-27 08:23:01 PM  
What a tragic turn of events, but really, who is psychic and could predict anything like this?

Still, what an unfortunate coincidence. Probably not enough people know about the law yet, or there would have been other responsible gun owners carrying there to shoot him to prevent any violence.
 
2014-04-27 08:23:09 PM  
EvilEgg [TotalFark]

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.

How does anyone know the laptop a guy is carrying is legally owned by him our not? We should call the cops on anyone with a laptop even if that would be harrasing a "possibly" law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to pin all their receipts to their jacket.
 
2014-04-27 08:23:31 PM  
Chicago.

That is all.
 
2014-04-27 08:23:34 PM  
.... aaaaand, they're off !!
 
2014-04-27 08:23:57 PM  

OnlyM3: EvilEgg [TotalFark]

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.
How does anyone know the laptop a guy is carrying is legally owned by him our not? We should call the cops on anyone with a laptop even if that would be harrasing a "possibly" law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to pin all their receipts to their jacket.


A laptop is hardly a deadly weapon that is frequently used in crime...
 
2014-04-27 08:25:17 PM  

mschwenk: bojon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who gives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

Add in a 50K insurance policy to be on the safe side.

For what purpose?


I was advised that I will be sued and to be prepared.
 
2014-04-27 08:26:06 PM  
This is the first time someone has ever been shot in a 'bar'.
 
2014-04-27 08:27:24 PM  
www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2014-04-27 08:27:27 PM  

OnlyM3: EvilEgg [TotalFark]

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.
How does anyone know the laptop a guy is carrying is legally owned by him our not? We should call the cops on anyone with a laptop even if that would be harrasing a "possibly" law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to pin all their receipts to their jacket.


You should have gone with cars.  Cars kill more people and that's important in these arguments.
 
2014-04-27 08:27:40 PM  
Even if the law had gone into effect already and the guy had a carry permit, it's all moot unless there wasn't a single fatal shooting in a bar prior to the law's enactment.
 
2014-04-27 08:27:59 PM  

LaurenAguilera: OnlyM3: EvilEgg [TotalFark]

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.
How does anyone know the laptop a guy is carrying is legally owned by him our not? We should call the cops on anyone with a laptop even if that would be harrasing a "possibly" law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to pin all their receipts to their jacket.

A laptop is hardly a deadly weapon that is frequently used in crime...


You'd be surprised at what is used as a deadly weapon to commit a crime.
 
2014-04-27 08:29:34 PM  

mschwenk: LaurenAguilera: OnlyM3: EvilEgg [TotalFark]

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.
How does anyone know the laptop a guy is carrying is legally owned by him our not? We should call the cops on anyone with a laptop even if that would be harrasing a "possibly" law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to pin all their receipts to their jacket.

A laptop is hardly a deadly weapon that is frequently used in crime...

You'd be surprised at what is used as a deadly weapon to commit a crime.


The important word was "frequently," buddy
 
2014-04-27 08:29:42 PM  

baorao: The Chevy Club was formerly known as the Cadillac Club.

*snert*


25.media.tumblr.com

"Hi! I'm Chevy Club and you're not."
 
2014-04-27 08:30:22 PM  

phalamir: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.

Not really. I had to take a class for a couple hours, not have a felony on my record, I guess the same training as any cop has to take.

I had to give fingerprints, photographs, and references (which they check), and undergo a NICS check. Someone who willinglygives the police everything they need to identify them in the event of a crime isn't likely to commit any.

The number of repeat offenders pretty much disproves that.


Let me fix that for OP. The states that release statistics on CCW arrests (TX, NC, MI, FL) off the top of my head show an arrest rate a small fraction of that for the general population. DUI was the most common arrest. Violent crime is pretty much negligible.
 
2014-04-27 08:30:57 PM  

soseussme: What a tragic turn of events, but really, who is psychic and could predict anything like this?

Still, what an unfortunate coincidence. Probably not enough people know about the law yet, or there would have been other responsible gun owners carrying there to shoot him to prevent any violence.


As has already been stated: the change in law is not effective until July 1, 2014.
 
2014-04-27 08:31:37 PM  

LaurenAguilera: mschwenk: LaurenAguilera: OnlyM3: EvilEgg [TotalFark]

How does anyone in the bar know whether the guy is carrying legally or illegally? Until someone gets shot that is. Before if you saw a guy with a gun you call the cops, now you can't, because that would be harassment of a possibly law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to wear their permits like badges.
How does anyone know the laptop a guy is carrying is legally owned by him our not? We should call the cops on anyone with a laptop even if that would be harrasing a "possibly" law abiding citizen.

My solution is they have to pin all their receipts to their jacket.

A laptop is hardly a deadly weapon that is frequently used in crime...

You'd be surprised at what is used as a deadly weapon to commit a crime.

The important word was "frequently," buddy


And you would still be surprised.
 
2014-04-27 08:32:26 PM  
This is a picture of the club.

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

People don't always obey signs or laws.
 
2014-04-27 08:32:37 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Mugato: Adolf Oliver Nipples: and statistics have shown that permit holders are far less likely than the general population to commit violent crimes with guns

Yeah, giving $50 to some guy at a gun show makes you a responsible gun owner.

Getting a CCW permit is a lot more than forking $50 over to someone at a gun show.


Not a hell of a lot more.  I would like to see what the failure rate is for people that take the course to get the CHL.  If it is under 10% then they are just wasting everybody's time and they cancel the requirement.
 
2014-04-27 08:32:48 PM  

ZAZ: The law goes into effect July 1, according to CNN.


Liberals never let facts get in the way of their fascism.

If the law had been in effect, a good guy could have stopped him.
 
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