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(Topeka Capital-Journal)   Kansas governor's confidants establish pay-to-play system: Hire them to lobby, and your bill gets passed or you secure a lucrative contract. Fellow Republicans who refuse to go along are cut off from funding and thrown from office   (cjonline.com ) divider line
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2014-04-27 11:21:41 AM  
Wait... you mean eliminating the business income tax wasn't enough?

You people make me smile.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-27 11:41:15 AM  
The news is that it's being investigated.  The fact that things work that way isn't new.
 
2014-04-27 11:58:45 AM  
Remember folks. . .your vote matters
 
2014-04-27 01:18:01 PM  

vpb: The news is that it's being investigated.  The fact that things work that way isn't new.


Came here to say the same thing. Wonder how ol' Sam will exact revenge on the FBI?
 
2014-04-27 01:23:45 PM  
Kansas... making Texas look sophisticated since 2011
 
2014-04-27 01:44:59 PM  
None of this is exactly surprising.
 
2014-04-27 02:25:52 PM  
Cronyism in government?  Say it isn't so!
 
2014-04-27 02:45:24 PM  
It's really amazing how fast Kansas fell down the derp hole.
 
2014-04-27 03:15:35 PM  
This is the crappy government you get when the majority of voters are perpetually frightened of everything.
 
2014-04-27 03:24:18 PM  

Mentat: It's really amazing how fast Kansas fell down the derp hole.


Corruption is corruption. Democratic or Republican.
Derp is just the flavor of this corruption.
 
2014-04-27 03:28:36 PM  
I'd also like to point out that according to supreme court ruling, this is not corruption.

See, cause corruption is NEVER subtle or go through a few hoops.
 
2014-04-27 03:29:42 PM  
What's wrong with that? Money is speech, so this is just a manner of persuasion.
 
2014-04-27 04:03:09 PM  

Mentat: It's really amazing how fast Kansas fell down the derp hole.


Missouri is trying to join them but Jay Nixon is pretty much the only person keeping us from joining Kansas in the derp hole.
 
2014-04-27 04:04:09 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Wait... you mean eliminating the business income tax wasn't enough?


You can only poach so many jobs from the Missouri side of KC...
 
2014-04-27 04:05:35 PM  
should i be outraged at fartbongoloid yet?
 
2014-04-27 04:14:48 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Wait... you mean eliminating the business income tax wasn't enough?

You people make me smile.


Apple will be moving their headquarters from Palo Alto ANY day now. You just watch.

/burn this administration to the ground
 
2014-04-27 04:16:36 PM  
But remember - it is the democrats, and ONLY the democrats, who are corrupt!
 
2014-04-27 04:18:29 PM  
So, not only does a percentage of the money meant to provide health care to poor people now go to corporate profits, but another percentage must go to lobbying firms owned by the governor's confidantes in order for a company to be awarded a contract.

Tell me again how this is a better way of doing things than the old system of just paying the poor people's doctor bills.
 
2014-04-27 04:25:38 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: But remember - it is the democrats, and ONLY the democrats, who are corrupt!


I see you read the comment section too.
 
2014-04-27 04:27:15 PM  
Hmm, interesting story. Lets see how it plays on FOX "News".

lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-04-27 04:28:27 PM  
I will gladly be vaporized in a mercy nuking of Kansas if it means Governor Brownback also bites the dust.
 
2014-04-27 04:37:21 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Mentat: It's really amazing how fast Kansas fell down the derp hole.

Corruption is corruption. Democratic or Republican.
Derp is just the flavor of this corruption.


True, but let's not pretend that this isn't a microcosm of how Republican voters actually want to see the world run, i.e. the rich buying influence and power to lord over the poor.
 
2014-04-27 04:47:38 PM  
Everyone's decrying the "big money in politics", but isn't that the capitalist way? Success is determined by how many dollars you control? And don't successful people by definition have better ideas? Even the dudes that wrote the Constitution decided that a man must be moderately successful (by owning land) in order to exercise the franchise, right?

There has to be a more fair way of doing things, but I don't know what it is. Our representatives only have so much time to entertain and develop new ideas; how should we decide who is able to meet with them to discuss these ideas? The insurance companies in TFA are all pretty big Kansas companies, and by virtue of the fact they are all wholly in Kansas, they should expect some type of dialogue with elected representatives whose salaries are paid by the tax revenue their companies pay. It is not unreasonable for a corporation like this to meet with its state government.

By that same token, though, it should not be unreasonable to expect Ms. Effie M. Povertyline of Topeka, a widower who works a crappy job for barely above minimum wage to be able to explain her perspective on Medicaid for herself and her child to her own elected representative. But of course Miss Povertyline doesn't have the money to pay a lobbyist to get her time with the governor. And the problem is that Ms. Povertyline also believes the President is Kenyan and wants to talk about outlawing Mexicans and would spend half the time trying to figure out which of the suits behind the governor are actually lizard people.

So what's the answer? How should our elected representatives determine who they should spend their time with? Lobbying firms put ideas and proposals into clear and coherent statements in a manner that the politician in question usually can understand far better than the hodgepodge of things they get from most people. So, the politician learns to rely on lobbying firms as a better use of his time than trying to decipher emails from constituents that start FW: FW: FW:. The lobbying firms charge for this service, and the better lobbying firms charge more. The idea behind lobbying is not necessarily a bad idea, but it's now moved to a ridiculous extreme.

In other words, I understand where lobbying comes from, I'm not entirely opposed to the concept itself, but where we are now is ridiculous. What are some other ideas for better managing access to people entrusted with government power?
 
2014-04-27 04:49:06 PM  
Another accomplishment Brownback will be able to claim is Kansas getting its own FARK Tag
 
2014-04-27 04:54:46 PM  
Kansas governor's confidants establish pay-to-play system: Hire them to lobby, and your bill gets passed or you secure a lucrative contract. Fellow Republicans who refuse to go along are cut off from funding and thrown from office

Change Republican to Democrat and spice it up with a little gun-running, and you've got the same setup as California.
 
2014-04-27 04:58:57 PM  

jjorsett: Kansas governor's confidants establish pay-to-play system: Hire them to lobby, and your bill gets passed or you secure a lucrative contract. Fellow Republicans who refuse to go along are cut off from funding and thrown from office

Change Republican to Democrat and spice it up with a little gun-running, and you've got the same setup as California.


I'll believe that when republicans start calling the Kansas gov a slime.
 
2014-04-27 05:08:57 PM  

jayhawk88: NewportBarGuy: Wait... you mean eliminating the business income tax wasn't enough?

You people make me smile.

Apple will be moving their headquarters from Palo Alto ANY day now. You just watch.

/burn this administration to the ground


No, no. We need the Kansas Experiment, to know if these kind of economic ideas work. Can you run a state with no money? This is an important question.
 
2014-04-27 05:31:34 PM  
In 1980, BR, (before Ronnie) there were ~1500 lobbyists in D.C.   now there are over 12,000.


its a win win!   unless you are a voter, of course.  Let Freedom ring!
 
2014-04-27 05:31:41 PM  

The Name: Darth_Lukecash: Mentat: It's really amazing how fast Kansas fell down the derp hole.

Corruption is corruption. Democratic or Republican.
Derp is just the flavor of this corruption.

True, but let's not pretend that this isn't a microcosm of how Republican voters actually want to see the world run, i.e. the rich buying influence and power to lord over the poor.




No, I don't think that the average republican voters want that form of corruption. I think some actually see that the rich person earned that right to power. But most would like their government to be fair.
 
2014-04-27 05:33:37 PM  
Both a Republican and a Democrat will steal The People's hot stove.

except the Republican will wear gloves.
 
2014-04-27 06:08:11 PM  

jjorsett: Kansas governor's confidants establish pay-to-play system: Hire them to lobby, and your bill gets passed or you secure a lucrative contract. Fellow Republicans who refuse to go along are cut off from funding and thrown from office

Change Republican to Democrat and spice it up with a little gun-running, and you've got the same setup as California.


Or throw in shaking down charities and you've got Illinois!
 
2014-04-27 06:10:56 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: jayhawk88: NewportBarGuy: Wait... you mean eliminating the business income tax wasn't enough?

You people make me smile.

Apple will be moving their headquarters from Palo Alto ANY day now. You just watch.

/burn this administration to the ground

No, no. We need the Kansas Experiment, to know if these kind of economic ideas work. Can you run a state with no money? This is an important question.


Doesn't matter.  We've got a ton of proof that most Republican economic policies (like, say, trickle-down economics) do not work and never, ever will - not even in the most idealized world.  It hasn't stopped them from pushing the ideas.
 
2014-04-27 06:30:19 PM  

jjorsett: Kansas governor's confidants establish pay-to-play system: Hire them to lobby, and your bill gets passed or you secure a lucrative contract. Fellow Republicans who refuse to go along are cut off from funding and thrown from office

Change Republican to Democrat and spice it up with a little gun-running, and you've got the same setup as California.


And that makes it ok to you. Good to know your stance on this is that its a fine and dandy thing to do when conservatives do it.
 
2014-04-27 06:52:43 PM  
This is the jack-booted tyranny of a police state run amok, crushing the will of those who honorably served the public to strike out on their own and take their chances in the private sector. It's a disgusting display of overzealous witch-hunting that's meant to punish those interested in exercising their inalienable rights to speech and commerce in the pursuit of happiness and the security of their posterity. This is the McCarthyism of our time.
 
2014-04-27 06:52:45 PM  

IMDWalrus: rumpelstiltskin: jayhawk88: NewportBarGuy: Wait... you mean eliminating the business income tax wasn't enough?

You people make me smile.

Apple will be moving their headquarters from Palo Alto ANY day now. You just watch.

/burn this administration to the ground

No, no. We need the Kansas Experiment, to know if these kind of economic ideas work. Can you run a state with no money? This is an important question.

Doesn't matter.  We've got a ton of proof that most Republican economic policies (like, say, trickle-down economics) do not work and never, ever will - not even in the most idealized world.  It hasn't stopped them from pushing the ideas.


Right, but most of the rubes in flyover country still aren't convinced -thus the need for the Kansas Experiment.
 
2014-04-27 06:57:24 PM  

The Name: IMDWalrus: rumpelstiltskin: jayhawk88: NewportBarGuy: Wait... you mean eliminating the business income tax wasn't enough?

You people make me smile.

Apple will be moving their headquarters from Palo Alto ANY day now. You just watch.

/burn this administration to the ground

No, no. We need the Kansas Experiment, to know if these kind of economic ideas work. Can you run a state with no money? This is an important question.

Doesn't matter.  We've got a ton of proof that most Republican economic policies (like, say, trickle-down economics) do not work and never, ever will - not even in the most idealized world.  It hasn't stopped them from pushing the ideas.

Right, but most of the rubes in flyover country still aren't convinced -thus the need for the Kansas Experiment.


Even if the Kansas Experiment fails, they'll just blame it on Liberals anyways. They never take personal responsibility for their own failures.
 
2014-04-27 07:00:11 PM  

ox45tallboy: And the problem is that Ms. Povertyline also believes the President is Kenyan and wants to talk about outlawing Mexicans and would spend half the time trying to figure out which of the suits behind the governor are actually lizard people.


Yup.  And Ms. Povertyline can go fark herself.
 
2014-04-27 07:00:16 PM  

Solid State Vittles: vpb: The news is that it's being investigated.  The fact that things work that way isn't new.

Came here to say the same thing. Wonder how ol' Sam will exact revenge on the FBI?


Would be awesome if people made deals for shorter sentencing and it put sam in prison
LOL

/why yes, I LOVE having two of my governors in prison.
 
2014-04-27 07:03:11 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I'd also like to point out that according to supreme court ruling, this is not corruption.

See, cause corruption is NEVER subtle or go through a few hoops.


Came in here for this.  I'm actually surprised that any investigation is actually being continued after that ruling.  There's simply no way to convict any of these people of any wrong doing.
 
2014-04-27 07:46:01 PM  
Have we got that Nuke in orbit in position yet?
 
2014-04-27 07:52:41 PM  
Newbs and lightweights... Who did the state hire for their obamacare www site and how much did it cost? And how much will the repairs and new site cost? And which Ins Co's get that bizziness? I should have been a lobbyist!!! $1.00 = 1 vote!
 
2014-04-27 07:56:19 PM  

Swampmaster: Newbs and lightweights... Who did the state hire for their obamacare www site and how much did it cost? And how much will the repairs and new site cost? And which Ins Co's get that bizziness? I should have been a lobbyist!!! $1.00 = 1 vote!


I dunno, who?

And that is Obama's fault? Not the governor of Kansas?

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-27 09:01:55 PM  
What is there to investigate?  This is now considered free speech thanks to the Supreme Court.
 
2014-04-27 09:09:38 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: No, I don't think that the average republican voters want that form of corruption. I think some actually see that the rich person earned that right to power. But most would like their government to be fair.


Well, they way they're going about it is the same as beating the shiat out of someone in the hopes that they become your friend.
 
2014-04-27 10:01:09 PM  
Maybe things will go well for the people of Kansas, and Brownback can be cellmates with Rod Blagojevich in federal PMITA prison.
Now that I think of it, that would make a pretty good sitcom.
 
2014-04-27 10:39:18 PM  

Serious Black: I will gladly be vaporized in a mercy nuking of Kansas if it means Governor Brownback also bites the dust.


Second. Though you really could just take out Topeka and everything west of it to get the same effect.
 
2014-04-28 12:19:36 AM  

The Name: Yup.  And Ms. Povertyline can go fark herself.


Okay, say Ms. Averagevoter actually does want to talk about Medicaid, and her ideas aren't completely insane. How do we make sure she gets to talk to the governor while Ms. Povertyline get shuttled away to see some intern? Who should be in charge of those kind of decisions? And who should pay for it?
 
2014-04-28 03:36:12 AM  
Kansas, the state brought to you by...
www.alec.org
 
2014-04-28 06:36:16 AM  

ox45tallboy: Everyone's decrying the "big money in politics", but isn't that the capitalist way?


No, it's the corporate welfare weasel's way.

Capitalism, ideally, is regulated by government only to assure a sufficient level of responsibility to the community/nation...and no further.

What we have too much of now (above and beyond what I mentioned) is regulation aimed at creating barriers to entry, an artificial lack of competition, and "oversight" that targets the businesses who don't feel like playing the politicians' game.

Anyway, isn't it adorable to see the flyover states figuring out how the governments of New Jersey, New York, Illinois, California, Texas and Florida have been playing it for decades?
 
2014-04-28 06:52:07 AM  

Gulper Eel: ox45tallboy: Everyone's decrying the "big money in politics", but isn't that the capitalist way?

No, it's the corporate welfare weasel's way.

Capitalism, ideally, is regulated by government only to assure a sufficient level of responsibility to the community/nation...and no further.

What we have too much of now (above and beyond what I mentioned) is regulation aimed at creating barriers to entry, an artificial lack of competition, and "oversight" that targets the businesses who don't feel like playing the politicians' game.

Anyway, isn't it adorable to see the flyover states figuring out how the governments of New Jersey, New York, Illinois, California, Texas and Florida have been playing it for decades?


We agree that things shouldn't work this way. How should we do it differently?
 
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