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2014-04-27 07:36:49 PM  
dok9874
They're "balking" against restrictive registration laws by NOT registering. I don't live anywhere near New York or Connecticut but even the casual observer should have taken note of the news reports (clearly you haven't). From openly burning registration forms (NY) to not bothering to register the estimated large numbers of high capacity mags in CT. It's hard to take your comments seriously when you're not even paying attention to reality and hard facts that are easily found with a modicum of google skills. And Sandy Hook was a pretty damn big news story for you not to have any idea how many kids were slaughtered, other than you're just not paying attention, not that you have "different sources" than I do.


Regarding the unregistered guns in NYC, or the unregistered large capacity mags in CT, they don't have to. But if they get caught it is their ass. I have heard this "the law is the law" line from people with authoritarian lines of thought. But it never applies to restrictive gun laws.

Doing a google search for '"balking" against restrictive registration laws' failed me. It is entirely possible we choose different sources of news.

Regarding Sandy Hook, I know what that is. I am making a slightly subtle point.

We probably won't agree on much, so I respect your opinion, and we don't communicate terribly well.
 
2014-04-27 07:40:38 PM  

Oblio13: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The NRA is the lobbying arm for the firearms manufacturing industry...


The NRA's tax records are public, you can Google them. Only about 1.3% of their income is from firearm-related companies. Membership dues are by far their largest source of income.

Perhaps you are thinking of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which actually is an industry trade group.


You're giving him too much credit.
 
2014-04-27 07:41:32 PM  
Meh.  Gun rights are probably not going anywhere for the foreseeable future.  That being the case, I think we clearly need to reinforce the responsibilities that buttress the right to bear arms, meaning doing better at prosecuting people who commit crimes with guns and make threats with guns.

The folks at Bunkerville, for instance, went out of their way to use their guns to break the law and threaten public safety.  No one who went down there should ever see the outside of a prison cell again.  And if you're a gun owner who supported those chucklefarks, congratulations, you are officially no longer a "good guy with a gun."
 
2014-04-27 07:42:19 PM  

NewportBarGuy: If you are a gun-owner with an IQ over 65... Why are you a member of the NRA?


I'm a gun owner with an IQ of, like, at least 80. I'm not a member of the NRA. Just FYI.

/Bad subby. I see you trollin'/I'm hatin'
 
2014-04-27 07:51:27 PM  

Bob Robert: jshine: NewportBarGuy: If you are a gun-owner with an IQ over 65... Why are you a member of the NRA?

Because the ACLU will fight for any and all of the rest of the Bill of Rights, but they choose to ignore the 2nd Amendment?  Therefore, the NRA is required in order to fill in the gap and provide a well-rounded defense of all of our individual rights.

They don't ignore it. They understand the proper definition and intent. They are what you call educated and with no skin in the game like all the gun supporters who feel they are constantly under threat.


Stop lying.
 
2014-04-27 07:52:41 PM  
What a coincidence, I just came from Tombstone AZ where everyone carries open, almost.

Best sight I saw all day was a little emo girl:  pierced face, tattoos all over----single-action hogleg  hanging off her hip, she was soooooooooooooooooooooooo cute!
 
2014-04-27 07:55:44 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: NewportBarGuy: If you are a gun-owner with an IQ over 65... Why are you a member of the NRA?

It entitles you to free entry into gun shows where you can handle weapons and get an erection.


You know they make a pill for that now, right?

/Who are you, Sledge  Hammer?
www.imfdb.org
 
2014-04-27 07:55:48 PM  

Bob Robert: thisisarepeat: SCOTUS has defined the second amendment. Nobody has to speculate about it any longer.

Because no court has ever changed the meaning or removed a previous courts ruling in the history of America.


The framers of the constitution even considered it an individual right.
 
2014-04-27 08:00:16 PM  

Dimensio: violentsalvation: NewportBarGuy: If you are a gun-owner with an IQ over 65... Why are you a member of the NRA?

Because despite the chucklefarks they have as the public face, the NRA actually fights for gun rights that elected goofballs like this would take away

We do not ridicule lawmakers with absolutely no understanding of how the Internet works who attempt to regulate electronic communication and copyright.

We do not insult lawmakers with no scientific training who are put on science and technology committees.

We do not suggest that lawmakers who are demonstrably ignorant of womens' reproductive health issues have no credibility when authoring laws regulating access to abortion and birth control.

For what reason, then, do gun nuts become extremely upset when legislators who are demonstrably ignorant of fundamental firearms technology propose sweeping bans on firearms?


We do all those things every day around here. All the things you listed are the very bedrock of the wacky, wacky politics tab.
 
2014-04-27 08:00:17 PM  

olddinosaur: a little emo girl: pierced face, tattoos all over----single-action hogleg hanging off her hip, she was soooooooooooooooooooooooo cute!


drawception.com
 
2014-04-27 08:00:53 PM  

olddinosaur: What a coincidence, I just came from Tombstone AZ where everyone carries open, almost.

Best sight I saw all day was a little emo girl:  pierced face, tattoos all over----single-action hogleg  hanging off her hip, she was soooooooooooooooooooooooo cute!


Tombstone...

That reminds me of the Kurt Russel flick where he played Doc Holiday, the ace gunslinger sherrif known for banning private gun ownership wherever he was sherrif.

Also, is emo still a thing? Or is it kind of like a Pokemon evolution thing where emo is the rite of passage before adult onset hipsterism?
 
2014-04-27 08:01:27 PM  

Bob Robert: Next week's Tom Sawyer: The AOPA will vehemently opposes new aviation regulations if they pose additional costs to pilots or owners. Like the NRA, they know the death of their sport will come gradually with government making flying ever more difficult and expensive.

Government is making flying expensive with too many regulations? You are trying hard for best derp in this thread of derps. Here I thought it was regional airlines paying poverty wages so executives and wall st can see all the gains. Or the high cost of fuel. But nah, both sides are bad libertarians have decided once again that government is ruining another sector of the economy all by itself.


What does that have to do with private pilots and AOPA?
 
2014-04-27 08:04:15 PM  

Bob Robert: Next week's Tom Sawyer: LOL. An accusation of derp without even knowing what I was talking about. Here's a clue: the AOPA has nothing to do with regional airlines. They are an advocate for general aviation. And yes, regulation presents a significant burden to general aviation.

So making the profession of pilot completely unrealistic unless you can finance the 50k or more required for all the proper ratings has nothing to do with the number of people who want to get their license and ratings? I know exactly what you're talking about, you blame "over regulation" but have no clue what you are talking about. Thanks for making this debate quick and easy though. Usually the uneducated will run in circles and throw out more insults before just repeating their talking point phrase like it means something without facts.


He isn't talking about professional pilots.

The FAA has many draconian policies and requirements that are no longer useful in modern flying.
 
2014-04-27 08:05:12 PM  

udhq: Meh.  Gun rights are probably not going anywhere for the foreseeable future.  That being the case, I think we clearly need to reinforce the responsibilities that buttress the right to bear arms, meaning doing better at prosecuting people who commit crimes with guns and make threats with guns.

The folks at Bunkerville, for instance, went out of their way to use their guns to break the law and threaten public safety.  No one who went down there should ever see the outside of a prison cell again.  And if you're a gun owner who supported those chucklefarks, congratulations, you are officially no longer a "good guy with a gun."


I don't have a dog in that fight, I view ranchers as some of the wors't offenders of tax evasion in the 1%.  It pisses me off that they pay less property tax on their million acres because it is zoned agricultural than I do on my 120 acres of swamp that generates zero income for me and I have to pay $140 for a license every time I harvest one of the animals that were raised on that land.  But was he just out of the blue billed $1,000,000 for grazing fees or did it add up over time?

Also those farkers should be required to build fences and underpasses for their cows or they should have to pay ME when one of their farking black angus cows gets in the way of my truck at 12:00 am as opposed to the other way around.
 
2014-04-27 08:07:18 PM  
Liberty lovers will quit being activist and litigious when fascists stop being control-freak scofflaws.

ALL fundamental liberties need to be defended vigorously, at all times, because control freaks are never appeased, never sated, no matter how much petty interference they're able to indulge in in other people's lives, they always want more.

Rabid libertarians are also functionally destructive of civil society--or would be if we did what they wanted. Since their ideology makes them cooperate like a herd of cats in a bird sanctuary, they're not generally a threat.

Control freaks need to be opposed, constantly, because they tend to get organized. Throughout recorded history, when regular people get complacent, Kiplings "Little Tin Gods" take over and do unto others, good and hard.
 
2014-04-27 08:08:05 PM  

DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.


Did you know you can kill people with your bare hands? Scary shiat.
 
2014-04-27 08:14:42 PM  

DeArmondVI: olddinosaur: What a coincidence, I just came from Tombstone AZ where everyone carries open, almost.

Best sight I saw all day was a little emo girl:  pierced face, tattoos all over----single-action hogleg  hanging off her hip, she was soooooooooooooooooooooooo cute!

Tombstone...

That reminds me of the Kurt Russel flick where he played Doc Holiday, the ace gunslinger sherrif known for banning private gun ownership wherever he was sherrif.

Also, is emo still a thing? Or is it kind of like a Pokemon evolution thing where emo is the rite of passage before adult onset hipsterism?


8/10 if trolling. If serious, you might want to rewatch that movie.
 
2014-04-27 08:15:02 PM  

Next week's Tom Sawyer: Bob Robert: Next week's Tom Sawyer: Bob Robert: Next week's Tom Sawyer: LOL. Snip...snip


Wow. This thread sure veered off course. All I meant to highlight with my aviation analogy was how these gun threads always devolve into some idiotic volley between diametrically opposed camps, allowing no quarter for middle ground whatsoever. Bob Robert ran things completely off the rails.

Re: AOPA ~ Point taken. I'm a long-time member and there are times when I find their knee-jerk response to new regs or fees unwarranted. For the most part, I perceive is that AOPA stakes out a negotiating position that favors a reduction cumbersome rules and prohibitive fees for the little guy, but there are times when a new rule only impacts regular corporate users of congested airspace and facilities, and doesn't sound unfair to me, considering the services provided for these high end users. The cost to develop and maintain approach systems and long runways should be shared among those that demand them, private or commercial. In contrast, the NRA champions absolute opposition to any restrictions whatsoever, fearing that minor compromise means death of the 2nd Amendment and citizen gun ownership. I think there's plenty of room to impose a few guidelines when a positive overall societal benefit is indicated.
I let my FOID expire in the early eighties, and haven't found a need for a gun since, yet I feel no need to deny others the opportunity to hunt, shoot for sport, or collect guns as many guns as they please. I just feel gun owners should accept a similar level of accountability for their firearms as is imposed on the rest of society to register their vehicles, radio transmitters, dogs, watercraft or exotic plants.
 
2014-04-27 08:15:08 PM  

lewismarktwo: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

Did you know you can kill people with your bare hands? Scary shiat.


Or with a heavy book. Or bookshelf. Or many other items in the bookstore.

I know a few people who use knives at work. They have to open carry because to do otherwise would be unlawful.
 
2014-04-27 08:18:04 PM  

lewismarktwo: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

Did you know you can kill people with your bare hands? Scary shiat.


I learned how to do that by watching "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm."

I don't advertise my lethal expertise when out and about, however (in order to avoid being treated differently due to my ultra-lethality).

Nonetheless, I'll make sure to arise to the cause whenever it may be required.
 
2014-04-27 08:32:37 PM  

PapaChester: I'll never understand gun people. They (you) are sick people. Gun enthusiasts make bronies look normal.


I'll never understand anti-gun nuts. They (you) are sick people. Anti-gunners make psychopaths look normal.

//that about right?
 
2014-04-27 08:33:46 PM  

NewportBarGuy: If you are a gun-owner with an IQ over 65... Why are you a member of the NRA?


I'm a gun owner, with an IQ well over twice that, and am a life member of the NRA, as is my wife.  So, what's your point?
 
2014-04-27 08:41:41 PM  

HowiPepper: NewportBarGuy: If you are a gun-owner with an IQ over 65... Why are you a member of the NRA?

I'm a gun owner, with an IQ well over twice that, and am a life member of the NRA, as is my wife.  So, what's your point?


Y'all ain't too bright.
 
2014-04-27 08:48:48 PM  

anuran: Poor trigger discipline on the pic of the smokin' bride


But other than that, sign me up!

/shudder
//thick Midwest gal with a Marlboro-scented hooha?
///Don't mind if I don't
 
2014-04-27 09:25:45 PM  

DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.


So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.
 
2014-04-27 09:34:09 PM  
Article says everyone was white and middle aged. Funny you never hear who's killing each other over sneakers in the news.
 
2014-04-27 10:03:52 PM  
Submitter is a tard and has some sort of issue with NPR.  I actually read the article.  There was nothing in it that gave me the impression that NPR finds a gun show to be a terrifying place.  Contrary to the belief of a certain subset of the population NPR is not especially liberally biased.  The article was straight forward reporting.  If anything it humanized the faceless "gun nuts" that some other news sources try to get everyone scared about.  While it might seem like a pointless bit of writing to anyone familiar with gun shows, it is an interesting article for those of us not in the habit of attending them.
 
2014-04-27 10:14:45 PM  

John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.


It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.
 
2014-04-27 10:18:09 PM  

John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.


When I traveled through Arizona and New Mexico last week---both open carry States---I saw many people doing open carry--- but I also saw a lot of stores with NO GUNS signs out front.

When I lived in Arizona from 1965--67, I was warmed very bluntly: You have a right to carry, and other people have a right to order you not to, on their property; if someone orders you not to carry on his premises, you better leave IMMEDIATELY, say "Yes sir, right away, sir!" and you better be moving as you say it.  One single word of back--sass, or a single second of lag time, could easily get you blasted--- and it would be your own damn fault.

What you Farkers fail to realize is, if you have a right to carry----everyone has the same rights as you, and if you won't take any lip off them, they won't take any off you either.

The law works, coming and going.
 
2014-04-27 10:28:15 PM  

Julie Cochrane: Liberty lovers will quit being activist and litigious when fascists stop being control-freak scofflaws.

ALL fundamental liberties need to be defended vigorously, at all times, because control freaks are never appeased, never sated, no matter how much petty interference they're able to indulge in in other people's lives, they always want more.

Rabid libertarians are also functionally destructive of civil society--or would be if we did what they wanted. Since their ideology makes them cooperate like a herd of cats in a bird sanctuary, they're not generally a threat.

Control freaks need to be opposed, constantly, because they tend to get organized. Throughout recorded history, when regular people get complacent, Kiplings "Little Tin Gods" take over and do unto others, good and hard.


That is a good post, but you need to bear in mind what Yevgeny Yevtushenko once said: "Evil people stick together even when they hate one another; good people are always found one at a time,"

Power freaks and control freaks always form teams, and hierarchies; they cling to power, and expand gradually; usually they are very personable and ready with a sincere--sounding reply: "---it's only for your own good!"
 
2014-04-27 10:37:07 PM  

olddinosaur: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

When I traveled through Arizona and New Mexico last week---both open carry States---I saw many people doing open carry--- but I also saw a lot of stores with NO GUNS signs out front.

When I lived in Arizona from 1965--67, I was warmed very bluntly: You have a right to carry, and other people have a right to order you not to, on their property; if someone orders you not to carry on his premises, you better leave IMMEDIATELY, say "Yes sir, right away, sir!" and you better be moving as you say it.  One single word of back--sass, or a single second of lag time, could easily get you blasted--- and it would be your own damn fault.

What you Farkers fail to realize is, if you have a right to carry----everyone has the same rights as you, and if you won't take any lip off them, they won't take any off you either.

The law works, coming and going.


I'm ok with that. A business should have every right to manage its atmosphere as it sees fit. My point is that people who think they are perfectly safe in a business with 'no guns zone' signs are idiots.
 
2014-04-27 11:03:24 PM  

DeArmondVI: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.


Sounds like the sign isn't working.
 
2014-04-27 11:13:27 PM  

pedrop357: DeArmondVI: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.

Sounds like the sign isn't working.


They never do.I know the phrase I bolded was sarcastic. but think it through, antis. Given 2 choices, where is a bad guy gonna go?
 
2014-04-27 11:19:57 PM  

John Buck 41: pedrop357: DeArmondVI: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.

Sounds like the sign isn't working.

They never do.I know the phrase I bolded was sarcastic. but think it through, antis. Given 2 choices, where is a bad guy gonna go?


Going further, if such a sign worked, why stop there?  Why spend a bunch of money on exit scanners, surveillance, etc. when simply putting up "No Shoplifting" signs would work just as well for 1/100th the price?
 
2014-04-27 11:28:55 PM  

pedrop357: John Buck 41: pedrop357: DeArmondVI: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.

Sounds like the sign isn't working.

They never do.I know the phrase I bolded was sarcastic. but think it through, antis. Given 2 choices, where is a bad guy gonna go?

Going further, if such a sign worked, why stop there?  Why spend a bunch of money on exit scanners, surveillance, etc. when simply putting up "No Shoplifting" signs would work just as well for 1/100th the price?


Because the largest source of shoplifting is employees and it behooves the the employer to have access to those videos in case they need to prove cause for termination, though stealing is hardly the only reason to do so.
 
2014-04-27 11:40:58 PM  

Deep Contact: Article says everyone was white and middle aged. Funny you never hear who's killing each other over sneakers in the news.



Ok, I think you're trying to argue that young black men kill each other over shoes, and that's NOT reported on, which is patently false, so much so that 'killing over sneakers' has become a dog whistle for black on black crime... but if you're trying to say that 'white and middle aged' men never commit gun crimes?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/16/justice/florida-loud-music-trial/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting /
http://beverly-mtgreenwood.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/unneig hb orly-feud-turns-deadly-as-cop-shoots-elderly-man-and-woman
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/04/26/police-man-shoots-woman-at -n atomas-home-then-turns-gun-on-himself/
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/lincoln-county-authorities-inv es tigate-report-shoo/nfhMN/
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/25336541/deputies-man-dead-after-sh oo ting-in-central
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/28/scott-roeder-abortion-d oc tor-killer

You've got some homework to do.
 
2014-04-27 11:46:01 PM  
pedrop357: going further, if such a sign worked, why stop there?  Why spend a bunch of money on exit scanners, surveillance, etc. when simply putting up "No Shoplifting" signs would work just as well for 1/100th the price?

The sign 'works' because it allows the business owner to enforce a posted rule, should the need arise. Shoplifting is already a crime, open carry is not, but a business owner is allowed to establish rules for their business, provided they are not discriminatory against a protected class. If there was no sign, someone carrying open in the store would rightfully be able to refuse to leave, or sue the store owner for infringing on their constitutional rights, which could definitely lead to bigger problems for everyone involved.


/you knew that, didn't you?
//I feel soiled...
 
2014-04-27 11:50:16 PM  

Brainsick: Deep Contact: Article says everyone was white and middle aged. Funny you never hear who's killing each other over sneakers in the news.


Ok, I think you're trying to argue that young black men kill each other over shoes, and that's NOT reported on, which is patently false, so much so that 'killing over sneakers' has become a dog whistle for black on black crime... but if you're trying to say that 'white and middle aged' men never commit gun crimes?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/16/justice/florida-loud-music-trial/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting /
http://beverly-mtgreenwood.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/unneig hb orly-feud-turns-deadly-as-cop-shoots-elderly-man-and-woman
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/04/26/police-man-shoots-woman-at -n atomas-home-then-turns-gun-on-himself/
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/lincoln-county-authorities-inv es tigate-report-shoo/nfhMN/
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/25336541/deputies-man-dead-after-sh oo ting-in-central
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/28/scott-roeder-abortion-d oc tor-killer

You've got some homework to do.


Yeah, one or two psychos a week compared to a half-dozen murders every week in Chicago alone.  Bulletproof case you've got there, bro.
 
2014-04-28 12:04:29 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Yeah, one or two psychos a week compared to a half-dozen murders every week in Chicago alone.  Bulletproof case you've got there, bro.


It's pretty good proof that white, middle-aged men DO commit gun crimes. Why, what did you think my 'case' was about?
 
2014-04-28 12:06:36 AM  
thugrepor
 
2014-04-28 12:07:41 AM  
thugreport.com
 
2014-04-28 12:16:35 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Bob Robert: It makes people feel powerful and special that they have the lives of others in their hands. Also smarter conservatives love to feel oppressed and under threat, example:

I don't feel oppressed. I'm not even one of those "the 2nd protects the 1st" sorts. I'm even reasonable about regulation. But in my lifetime I've seen enough to know that without people pushing back we'd have total bans. Gun-control people weren't always coy about their endgame. It's only been in the last 15-20 years that they learned to be coy about it so they could make incremental progress.


They're not particularly coy these days either.  They're almost like those poker players who constantly and sloppily let the cards lean forward so that everyone else can see their hands.
 
2014-04-28 01:10:54 AM  
Michael Bloomberg has committed $50M to an anti-gun campaign patterned after the NRA, yet the NRA is just a bunch of low IQ mouth breathers who couldn't find their ass with both hands.  What is the level of stupidity of someone willing to imitate someone that supposedly so dumb?
 
2014-04-28 01:36:15 AM  

steklo: [img.fark.net image 332x500][img.fark.net image 640x850][img.fark.net image 275x400]


Just a FYI, I'm sure the one in the bikini is holding a BB gun, Crossman 760 to be specific.
And it's not just the knees I'm concerned about, it is the sharpness of everything else as well...
 
2014-04-28 01:52:13 AM  

SCUBA_Archer: Michael Bloomberg has committed $50M to an anti-gun campaign patterned after the NRA, yet the NRA is just a bunch of low IQ mouth breathers who couldn't find their ass with both hands.  What is the level of stupidity of someone willing to imitate someone that supposedly so dumb?


I don't think anyone is claiming that the NRA leadership is a bunch of mouth breathers, just the majority of the dues-paying members; besides,  Bloomberg is a posturing crybaby by any metric. Finally, it doesn't help either side's case when the exchange of dialogue looks like this:

Pointing to his work on gun safety, obesity and smoking cessation, (Bloomberg) said with a grin: "I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I'm not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. It's not even close."

Rallying his troops, NRA Executive Director Chris Cox, speaking at the group's annual meeting in Indianapolis on Friday, said Bloomberg wants to "take away our guns."
 "He thinks he can buy the hearts and minds of America," Cox said, according to Fox 59. "I believe that God gave us this freedom and he's not going to let Michael Bloomberg take it away. Not now. Not ever."

So, both sides are smug, sneering, and believe 'God' is on their side. This should end well...

/Oy vey!
 
2014-04-28 02:28:42 AM  

redmid17: pedrop357: John Buck 41: pedrop357: DeArmondVI: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.

Sounds like the sign isn't working.

They never do.I know the phrase I bolded was sarcastic. but think it through, antis. Given 2 choices, where is a bad guy gonna go?

Going further, if such a sign worked, why stop there?  Why spend a bunch of money on exit scanners, surveillance, etc. when simply putting up "No Shoplifting" signs would work just as well for 1/100th the price?

Because the largest source of shoplifting is employees and it behooves the the employer to have access to those videos in case they need to prove cause for termination, though stealing is hardly the only reason to do so.


Popular fiction.  Most shoplifting is not done by employees. It's done by walk in customers.  Employees that DO shoplift do it a lot tho so they account for a large percentage if you carve it up by individual.

/hello, I'd like to return this very small and very expensive item for store credit because I lost my receipt.
 
2014-04-28 03:02:07 AM  

lewismarktwo: redmid17: pedrop357: John Buck 41: pedrop357: DeArmondVI: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.

Sounds like the sign isn't working.

They never do.I know the phrase I bolded was sarcastic. but think it through, antis. Given 2 choices, where is a bad guy gonna go?

Going further, if such a sign worked, why stop there?  Why spend a bunch of money on exit scanners, surveillance, etc. when simply putting up "No Shoplifting" signs would work just as well for 1/100th the price?

Because the largest source of shoplifting is employees and it behooves the the employer to have access to those videos in case they need to prove cause for termination, though stealing is hardly the only reason to do so.

Popular fiction.  Most shoplifting is not done by employees. It's done by walk in customers.  Employees that DO shoplift do it a lot tho so they account for a large percentage if you carve it up by individual.

/hello, I'd like to return this very small and very expensive item for store credit because I lost my receipt.


http://www.nrf.com/modules.php?name=News&op=viewlive&sp_id=1136

"According to the preliminary survey findings, the majority of retail shrinkage last year was due to employee theft, at $16.2 billion, accounting for 43.7 percent of total losses. "
 
2014-04-28 03:08:44 AM  

redmid17: lewismarktwo: redmid17: pedrop357: John Buck 41: pedrop357: DeArmondVI: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.

Sounds like the sign isn't working.

They never do.I know the phrase I bolded was sarcastic. but think it through, antis. Given 2 choices, where is a bad guy gonna go?

Going further, if such a sign worked, why stop there?  Why spend a bunch of money on exit scanners, surveillance, etc. when simply putting up "No Shoplifting" signs would work just as well for 1/100th the price?

Because the largest source of shoplifting is employees and it behooves the the employer to have access to those videos in case they need to prove cause for termination, though stealing is hardly the only reason to do so.

Popular fiction.  Most shoplifting is not done by employees. It's done by walk in customers.  Employees that DO shoplift do it a lot tho so they account for a large percentage if you carve it up by individual.

/hello, I'd like to return this very small and very expensive item for store credit because I lost my receipt.

http://www.nrf.com/modules.php?name=News&op=viewlive&sp_id=1136

"According to the preliminary survey findings, the majority of retail shrinkage last year was due to employee thef ...


43.7% is a majority? Nobody tell Mitt Romney!
 
2014-04-28 03:19:16 AM  

Brainsick: redmid17: lewismarktwo: redmid17: pedrop357: John Buck 41: pedrop357: DeArmondVI: John Buck 41: DeArmondVI: csb: I manage at a used bookstore that, for many years, had a no guns allowed sign posted up. However, after the gun crowd became even more belligerant than usual after that guy mowed down an entire 1st grade classroom we took the damn thing down.

Cut to: last week some yahoo showed up doing the whole open carry thing along with a giant knife strapped to his leg.

After multiple complaints about said yahoo, the sign went back up again.

I guess I just don't understand the need/desire to be able to kill someone while browsing some used books.

So, you work in a place with a 'No guns allowed' signs on premises. I'm sure that must be VERY comforting.

It's tough at times, I must concede. Bad guys with guns come in at least twice a day and pilfer our registers and assualt our customers.

Sounds like the sign isn't working.

They never do.I know the phrase I bolded was sarcastic. but think it through, antis. Given 2 choices, where is a bad guy gonna go?

Going further, if such a sign worked, why stop there?  Why spend a bunch of money on exit scanners, surveillance, etc. when simply putting up "No Shoplifting" signs would work just as well for 1/100th the price?

Because the largest source of shoplifting is employees and it behooves the the employer to have access to those videos in case they need to prove cause for termination, though stealing is hardly the only reason to do so.

Popular fiction.  Most shoplifting is not done by employees. It's done by walk in customers.  Employees that DO shoplift do it a lot tho so they account for a large percentage if you carve it up by individual.

/hello, I'd like to return this very small and very expensive item for store credit because I lost my receipt.

http://www.nrf.com/modules.php?name=News&op=viewlive&sp_id=1136

"According to the preliminary survey findings, the majority of retail shrinkage last year was due to emp ...


Their words, not mine, but a plurality is called a relative majority for a reason.
 
2014-04-28 04:03:00 AM  

redmid17: Their words, not mine


-Scroll up-

redmid17: Because the largest source of shoplifting is employees


Riiiiight....'largest source' and 'majority' are two different things.
1.bp.blogspot.com
That article doesn't prove what you think it does, anyway:

NRF's recently released Organized Retail Crime survey found that 95 percent of retailers have been a victim of organized retail crime over the last 12 months.

The National Retail Security Survey is an annual survey of loss prevention executives that benchmarks retail shrinkage and operational information about how retailers are combating losses


It's not even a 1 to 1 survey, it's a survey of the executives of loss prevention companies, who 'definitely' don't have a motive to claim losses are going up

/I will concede the 'majority' of theft in that case is a correct phrasing
//though your single sentence quote didn't give that background
 
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