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(The Times of India)   Microsoft: In keeping with our business model, we have decided to heavily invest in tech no one wants. Therefore we are pursuing the 'affordable phone' market, and our first model is called the "Zunique"   (timesofindia.indiatimes.com ) divider line
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2014-04-27 01:31:50 PM  
Its like Derelicte from Zoolander.
 
2014-04-27 02:41:47 PM  
Subby, do you suppose people in India might be interested in an affordable phone? You know, the billion of them
 
2014-04-27 02:41:55 PM  
An affordable mobile phone is "tech no one wants"?

Spoiled child-subby isn't aware of how most people on Earth live. Sad.
 
2014-04-27 02:46:19 PM  
I think there was a student named Zunique in our school when I taught in Phoenix.
 
2014-04-27 02:48:59 PM  
Microsoft is pretty much cleaning up the low-end smartphone market already with the Lumia 520. That thing has some  greatbang-for-buck.
 
2014-04-27 02:54:37 PM  

Robin Hoodie: Subby, do you suppose people in India might be interested in an affordable phone? You know, the billion of them


Sure they're interested.  Which is why there are already almost a billion mobile phone accounts in India and at least a quarter-billion smartphones.  A lot of them basic Android gadgets already in the $99/Rs5000 range.

The question isn't "will India want cheap smartphones?", it's "umm... you know they already have had them for years?".  Like Microsoft discovering the Internet in 1997.
 
2014-04-27 02:57:46 PM  

Lawnchair: Robin Hoodie: Subby, do you suppose people in India might be interested in an affordable phone? You know, the billion of them

Sure they're interested.  Which is why there are already almost a billion mobile phone accounts in India and at least a quarter-billion smartphones.  A lot of them basic Android gadgets already in the $99/Rs5000 range.

The question isn't "will India want cheap smartphones?", it's "umm... you know they already have had them for years?".  Like Microsoft discovering the Internet in 1997.


It's really handy, all the calls to the Microsoft help desk will be at local rates.
 
2014-04-27 03:01:48 PM  
Bundle it with whatsapp and Microsoft we'll make more money than subby's mom on a hot summer's evening.
 
2014-04-27 03:08:34 PM  
I think they are targetting the emerging markets with this.  It's a good idea.
 
2014-04-27 03:23:05 PM  
pricing conversions
5000 Indian Rupee equals
82.455 US Dollar
 and
7000 Indian Rupee equals
115.437 US Dollar


/from google
 
2014-04-27 03:42:38 PM  
I know Microsoft wants to cash in on the emerging markets.  And that is good.  But... I'd like to see them excite me.  Microsoft at the moment has released products that are about as exciting as paint or light bulbs.  Yes, there are some neat features in modern paint technology, but nothing that makes me want to run out and buy some unless I need something replaced.
 
2014-04-27 03:45:55 PM  
What I want is a smaller form factor. My work forced me to ditch my beloved Nokia for a Nexus, which sits on my desk 24/7(I don't even bother to take it home anymore) where I already have a goddamn PC and a landline. Who can be bothered to schlep a goddamn brick around at all times?
 
2014-04-27 03:52:52 PM  

AcademGreen: I know Microsoft wants to cash in on the emerging markets.  And that is good.  But... I'd like to see them excite me.  Microsoft at the moment has released products that are about as exciting as paint or light bulbs.  Yes, there are some neat features in modern paint technology, but nothing that makes me want to run out and buy some unless I need something replaced.


Here, we're talking about Microsoft Mobile, which is basically the Nokia phone division. You mileage may vary, but putting out a 41 MP camera phone created a huge amount of buzz in the phone world, so it was considered a pretty exciting release.
 
2014-04-27 03:53:46 PM  

whither_apophis: Lawnchair: Robin Hoodie: Subby, do you suppose people in India might be interested in an affordable phone? You know, the billion of them

Sure they're interested.  Which is why there are already almost a billion mobile phone accounts in India and at least a quarter-billion smartphones.  A lot of them basic Android gadgets already in the $99/Rs5000 range.

The question isn't "will India want cheap smartphones?", it's "umm... you know they already have had them for years?".  Like Microsoft discovering the Internet in 1997.

It's really handy, all the calls to the Microsoft help desk will be at local rates.


I have yet to come across a Windows Phone user that has had any problems.  They all seem to like their phones.  I just ordered the Nokia 1520, and I am looking forward to trying one.
 
2014-04-27 04:17:46 PM  
Say what you want about the zune, it was actually a decent little player. They just shouldn't have expected to take on the ipod in pure volume...
 
2014-04-27 05:02:10 PM  

Robin Hoodie: Subby, do you suppose people in India might be interested in an affordable phone? You know, the billion of them


Even if a tenth of a percent was interested, that's still a lot of money.
 
2014-04-27 05:13:25 PM  
I don't know why everyone bashes the Windows Phone. I love mine! It is the perfect size to shim up the old table I have in my den with a short leg.
 
2014-04-27 05:14:30 PM  
What would make me finally interested in a smartphone isn't the up front purchase cost or which OS its got (I don't like any of the companies behind them), its the freakin monthly fees.  Those fees are ridiculous, I refuse to pay close to a hundred dollars a month for one of these, even fifty dollars a month is too much.  If Microsoft wants to really upset the market and shift the winds they need to get into bed with a few providers and seriously chip away at the upkeep costs of these devices.  That would stand out, that would open up new areas of the existing market and anyone who's smart with their money will understand the benefits.
 
2014-04-27 05:20:47 PM  

Somaticasual: Say what you want about the zune, it was actually a decent little player. They just shouldn't have expected to take on the ipod in pure volume...


It's funny, the people I know who actually owned Zunes were downright fanatical about them...they couldn't penetrate Apple's stronghold on the market, I guess.

I'm actually considering a Windows phone because my ancient GalaxyS has one foot in the grave and one on a banana peel. The tile interface sucks on desktops, but is tailor made for a phone. Do any Farkers own a Windows phone, what has been your experience(s)?
 
2014-04-27 05:28:00 PM  

BumpInTheNight: What would make me finally interested in a smartphone isn't the up front purchase cost or which OS its got (I don't like any of the companies behind them), its the freakin monthly fees.  Those fees are ridiculous, I refuse to pay close to a hundred dollars a month for one of these, even fifty dollars a month is too much.  If Microsoft wants to really upset the market and shift the winds they need to get into bed with a few providers and seriously chip away at the upkeep costs of these devices.  That would stand out, that would open up new areas of the existing market and anyone who's smart with their money will understand the benefits.


Strongest THIS there is.
 
2014-04-27 05:28:54 PM  

AcademGreen: I know Microsoft wants to cash in on the emerging markets.  And that is good.  But... I'd like to see them excite me.  Microsoft at the moment has released products that are about as exciting as paint or light bulbs.  Yes, there are some neat features in modern paint technology, but nothing that makes me want to run out and buy some unless I need something replaced.


There is much to be said for the things that just work without hype or excitement.  It means they're not fixing things until they're broken.

/looking at you Facebook
 
2014-04-27 05:32:12 PM  

PortsmouthFarker: Microsoft is pretty much cleaning up the low-end smartphone market already with the Lumia 520. That thing has some  greatbang-for-buck.


"Low-end smartphone"? I thought the biggest cost with smart phones was the data plan. Something like $700 / year. How do you go low-end with any smart phone?
 
2014-04-27 05:33:05 PM  

BumpInTheNight: What would make me finally interested in a smartphone isn't the up front purchase cost or which OS its got (I don't like any of the companies behind them), its the freakin monthly fees. Those fees are ridiculous, I refuse to pay close to a hundred dollars a month for one of these


The contract is the problem, not the phone. Buy a phone off contract.

Last year I bought a very nice unlocked Android phone for $200 on eBay. I pay per minute & text & MB. It's been $15 to $50/month depending on my usage.

I've saved $100s compared to my previous AT&T contract @ $89/month.
 
2014-04-27 05:44:10 PM  

nytmare: PortsmouthFarker: Microsoft is pretty much cleaning up the low-end smartphone market already with the Lumia 520. That thing has some  greatbang-for-buck.

"Low-end smartphone"? I thought the biggest cost with smart phones was the data plan. Something like $700 / year. How do you go low-end with any smart phone?


In the UK at least:

http://giffgaff.com/goodybags/12pound-goodybag

£12 a month for unlimited data and texts

That plus one of these for £89:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-Lumia-Free-Windows-Smartphone/dp/B00BM 24 PMY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398634964&sr=8-1&keywords=lumia+520

Total those together, amortise the cost of the phone over the year, do a rough currency conversion, that's about $370 for a year of service including phone.
 
2014-04-27 05:46:50 PM  

jaytkay: BumpInTheNight: What would make me finally interested in a smartphone isn't the up front purchase cost or which OS its got (I don't like any of the companies behind them), its the freakin monthly fees. Those fees are ridiculous, I refuse to pay close to a hundred dollars a month for one of these

The contract is the problem, not the phone. Buy a phone off contract.

Last year I bought a very nice unlocked Android phone for $200 on eBay. I pay per minute & text & MB. It's been $15 to $50/month depending on my usage.

I've saved $100s compared to my previous AT&T contract @ $89/month.


I agree, in these parts (eastern Canada) there's no reasonable phone plans like that, if microsoft wants to sell me their phone they need to attack this vector and open up some cheaper plan options.  So I stick to my sad little flip phone and a pay-as-you-go plan that costs me around $60/year.
 
2014-04-27 06:02:18 PM  
It's probably a good strategy. Windows Nokias are  alreadyoutselling Apple in a number of smaller developing markets.
 
2014-04-27 06:20:59 PM  

nytmare: PortsmouthFarker: Microsoft is pretty much cleaning up the low-end smartphone market already with the Lumia 520. That thing has some  greatbang-for-buck.

"Low-end smartphone"? I thought the biggest cost with smart phones was the data plan. Something like $700 / year. How do you go low-end with any smart phone?


Go with someone like Straight Talk where you can get unlimited calls, texts, and data for $45 per month.
 
2014-04-27 06:32:44 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Go with someone like Straight Talk where you can get unlimited calls, texts, and data for $45 per month.


Straight talk is a Walmart product in case that matters to you.
 
2014-04-27 07:00:31 PM  
Has Microsoft (not the toilet tissue company) ever made something that is cheaper in the long run?
Just asking....
 
2014-04-27 07:26:44 PM  

oh_please: It's funny, the people I know who actually owned Zunes were downright fanatical about them...they couldn't penetrate Apple's stronghold on the market, I guess.


My Zune. Better sound quality. Better software (iTunes blows donkey nuts). Better interface. FM and digital HD FM. Plays MP3 with no funky conversion. WiFi for internet. Plays HD movies. Better construction.

i.telegraph.co.uk

From my cold dead hands.
 
2014-04-27 08:50:41 PM  

iaazathot: I have yet to come across a Windows Phone user that has had any problems.


I love how Microsoft has their tablets and phones inserted in shows like Elementary and Castle. They always show someone using using the "cool" tile interface, but it comes off looking like they're swatting at the thing multiple times, like a cat with a laser pointer, just to show a picture.
 
2014-04-27 08:54:18 PM  

oh_please: Do any Farkers own a Windows phone, what has been your experience(s)?


I have a red Lumia 920, like this:

phonetradersinc.com

I absolutely love it. It's a great phone. And the best thing about it is the OS - Even better now that I cheated and used the developer preview to get Windows Phone 8.1 loaded up on it with Cortana.

I owned a Galaxy, and I'm surrounded by iPhones. I'm familiar with the competition. And I tell you that using WP is nothing like using those phones. They're primitive phone OSes in comparison. Windows Phone feels... alive, somehow. Snappy, slick... it's very cool to use.

Its chief weakness is in Apps. It's lacking in some key areas. It has all the social stuff everybody wants, but it's still lagging with some important banking apps and such. Fortunately, there's been a surge in the last six months or so and the gap is closing.

I'll admit my opinion is biased. I don't like Apple and I don't trust Google, so your mileage may vary. But I've never had a better experience with a smartphone than my windows phone.
 
2014-04-27 09:21:31 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: oh_please: Do any Farkers own a Windows phone, what has been your experience(s)?

I have a red Lumia 920, like this:

[phonetradersinc.com image 482x464]

I absolutely love it. It's a great phone. And the best thing about it is the OS - Even better now that I cheated and used the developer preview to get Windows Phone 8.1 loaded up on it with Cortana.

I owned a Galaxy, and I'm surrounded by iPhones. I'm familiar with the competition. And I tell you that using WP is nothing like using those phones. They're primitive phone OSes in comparison. Windows Phone feels... alive, somehow. Snappy, slick... it's very cool to use.

Its chief weakness is in Apps. It's lacking in some key areas. It has all the social stuff everybody wants, but it's still lagging with some important banking apps and such. Fortunately, there's been a surge in the last six months or so and the gap is closing.

I'll admit my opinion is biased. I don't like Apple and I don't trust Google, so your mileage may vary. But I've never had a better experience with a smartphone than my windows phone.


^This
I have the Samsung Ativ S which is basically an S3 with windows on it.  I have had it about a year and a half almost with zero issues except the lack of some major apps.  The banking one being the most glaring omission but the screen is big enough in landscape to do it right on the web anyways.
 
2014-04-27 10:31:06 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: oh_please: Do any Farkers own a Windows phone, what has been your experience(s)?

I have a red Lumia 920, like this:

[phonetradersinc.com image 482x464]

I absolutely love it. It's a great phone. And the best thing about it is the OS - Even better now that I cheated and used the developer preview to get Windows Phone 8.1 loaded up on it with Cortana.

I owned a Galaxy, and I'm surrounded by iPhones. I'm familiar with the competition. And I tell you that using WP is nothing like using those phones. They're primitive phone OSes in comparison. Windows Phone feels... alive, somehow. Snappy, slick... it's very cool to use.

Its chief weakness is in Apps. It's lacking in some key areas. It has all the social stuff everybody wants, but it's still lagging with some important banking apps and such. Fortunately, there's been a surge in the last six months or so and the gap is closing.

I'll admit my opinion is biased. I don't like Apple and I don't trust Google, so your mileage may vary. But I've never had a better experience with a smartphone than my windows phone.


I have the exact same phone, same colour.

I mostly concur with what Pip is saying, but I'd add a few things:

- Any gaming or heavy internet usage (e.g.: YouTube videos) will drain the battery quickly. It's gotten slightly better with each software update, but you'll still need to charge before the end of the day.
- The Nokia Drive and Maps apps that come with all Nokia Windows phones aren't as good as Google Maps. They'll also drain the battery pretty quick.
- Internet Explorer kind of sucks (although you probably didn't need me to tell you that). Fortunately, there are lots of great browser alternatives in the store.
- I miss having a physical keyboard, but that's a personal preference more than anything else.

Apart from that, it's really great. If you've never had a smartphone before, it's very easy to pick up- things like the People hub just make good sense. I imagine that's why Microsoft is so interested in markets like India.
 
2014-04-27 10:56:00 PM  

drewogatory: What I want is a smaller form factor.


FWIW, shrinking chips while maintaining top performance and stability is both extremely difficult and very expensive. It's not like you see any pocket-sized flagship Android smart phones either.
 
2014-04-27 11:22:57 PM  

macdaddy357: I don't know why everyone bashes the Windows Phone. I love mine! It is the perfect size to shim up the old table I have in my den with a short leg.


You have to realize that %99 of the win bashers have never even used a windows phone. Basically just more passengers on the apple/android band wagon.
 
2014-04-28 05:30:42 AM  
Thanks for the flashback
 
2014-04-28 09:25:40 AM  

iaazathot: I have yet to come across a Windows Phone user that has had any problems. They all seem to like their phones. I just ordered the Nokia 1520, and I am looking forward to trying one.


I'm on my second Windows phone. I had a Samsung Focus for about two years, and just upgraded to a Lumia 920. I love the OS.

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: - Internet Explorer kind of sucks (although you probably didn't need me to tell you that). Fortunately, there are lots of great browser alternatives in the store.


Any recommendation here? I'd kind of like my browser to have a proper back (and forward) button.
 
2014-04-28 10:43:25 AM  

rewind2846: Plays MP3 with no funky conversion


What media player didn't do this?
 
2014-04-28 10:48:20 AM  
"Nobody" wants an affordable phone? How weird.

rewind2846: My Zune. Better sound quality. Better software (iTunes blows donkey nuts). Better interface. FM and digital HD FM. Plays MP3 with no funky conversion. WiFi for internet. Plays HD movies. Better construction.


Yeah, I've met a few people who say that their Zune beats all. I, for one, would LOVE to get something that would let me get rid of iTunes(For anyone who wants a better cross-platform music manager, I recommend one called Clementine, BTW), and would keep me from buying any more iPods. As much as I hate Apple, I have to say that they really DID create the best Mp3 player affordable. Unfortunately, the Zune came and went so fast nobody could react in time... It seems like for the most part it was getting decent feedback, too.

macdaddy357: I don't know why everyone bashes the Windows Phone. I love mine! It is the perfect size to shim up the old table I have in my den with a short leg.


I've heard good things about the Windows phone. People just join the 'Bash Windows' parade... They seem to forget that Microsoft has made some great OSs over the years, and instead think that everything has been Win Me and Vista for MS's entire existence. Like I said, I've heard that the Windows phone is pretty nice, I just know that the Win 8 setup on a regular computer is just shiat. On a mobile device, it would be a great interface.
 
2014-04-28 11:23:09 AM  

hitmanric: macdaddy357: I don't know why everyone bashes the Windows Phone. I love mine! It is the perfect size to shim up the old table I have in my den with a short leg.

You have to realize that %99 of the win bashers have never even used a windows phone. Basically just more passengers on the apple/android band wagon.


That's okay. 99% of the people who bashed the Newton didn't even use an Apple machine.

/my lawn
 
2014-04-28 11:48:51 AM  

oh_please: Somaticasual: Say what you want about the zune, it was actually a decent little player. They just shouldn't have expected to take on the ipod in pure volume...

It's funny, the people I know who actually owned Zunes were downright fanatical about them...they couldn't penetrate Apple's stronghold on the market, I guess.

I'm actually considering a Windows phone because my ancient GalaxyS has one foot in the grave and one on a banana peel. The tile interface sucks on desktops, but is tailor made for a phone. Do any Farkers own a Windows phone, what has been your experience(s)?


Yes. I've had a 710 for a few years now. I WANT to replace it with a more modern phone, but I just haven't found the need. I think the interface is simple and intuitive. The phone has never failed me.
 
2014-04-28 12:09:20 PM  

jaytkay: BumpInTheNight: What would make me finally interested in a smartphone isn't the up front purchase cost or which OS its got (I don't like any of the companies behind them), its the freakin monthly fees. Those fees are ridiculous, I refuse to pay close to a hundred dollars a month for one of these

The contract is the problem, not the phone. Buy a phone off contract.

Last year I bought a very nice unlocked Android phone for $200 on eBay. I pay per minute & text & MB. It's been $15 to $50/month depending on my usage.

I've saved $100s compared to my previous AT&T contract @ $89/month.


What do you pay per minute/text/mb?  I pay almost $200 for two phones now.  I have ran 2k minutes on my phone before though.  Data  I don't use much, it seems like you hit a hard limit on minutes though where they totally fark you because they figure you are using it for business purposes.

Anyways I could see this being hugely popular even in the US.  Everyone remember those shiat Nokia phones everyone had back in the 90's with all the replaceable covers?  Do that again with a smart phone.  Get a phone down to $50 and sell the voice/data/texts on prepaid cards (at a reasonable cost) and you'd own that entire market.
 
2014-04-28 12:13:44 PM  

Mikey1969: "Nobody" wants an affordable phone? How weird.

rewind2846: My Zune. Better sound quality. Better software (iTunes blows donkey nuts). Better interface. FM and digital HD FM. Plays MP3 with no funky conversion. WiFi for internet. Plays HD movies. Better construction.

Yeah, I've met a few people who say that their Zune beats all. I, for one, would LOVE to get something that would let me get rid of iTunes(For anyone who wants a better cross-platform music manager, I recommend one called Clementine, BTW), and would keep me from buying any more iPods. As much as I hate Apple, I have to say that they really DID create the best Mp3 player affordable. Unfortunately, the Zune came and went so fast nobody could react in time... It seems like for the most part it was getting decent feedback, too.

macdaddy357: I don't know why everyone bashes the Windows Phone. I love mine! It is the perfect size to shim up the old table I have in my den with a short leg.

I've heard good things about the Windows phone. People just join the 'Bash Windows' parade... They seem to forget that Microsoft has made some great OSs over the years, and instead think that everything has been Win Me and Vista for MS's entire existence. Like I said, I've heard that the Windows phone is pretty nice, I just know that the Win 8 setup on a regular computer is just shiat. On a mobile device, it would be a great interface.


In fairness, they have been trying to make a good mobile OS since the late 90's and have failed several times.  A lot of us only buy phones every few years or more.  If you've had only a few smart phones in your life and one of them was on windows mobile/ce the first thing you think when someone mentioned windows phones is 'oh fark I AM NOT FALLING FOR THAT AGAIN'
 
2014-04-28 01:06:04 PM  

NateAsbestos: rewind2846: Plays MP3 with no funky conversion

What media player didn't do this?


iPods.
 
2014-04-28 01:40:03 PM  
Makes sense though.

The high end phone market is slowing down and you have all these new markets to expand into with low cost platforms.

Me, I'm still waiting for the 3 bezel phone that has a seamless hinge in the middle,

A 6in phone in a 3in form factor please.
 
2014-04-28 04:10:20 PM  

oh_please: Somaticasual: Say what you want about the zune, it was actually a decent little player. They just shouldn't have expected to take on the ipod in pure volume...

It's funny, the people I know who actually owned Zunes were downright fanatical about them...they couldn't penetrate Apple's stronghold on the market, I guess.

I'm actually considering a Windows phone because my ancient GalaxyS has one foot in the grave and one on a banana peel. The tile interface sucks on desktops, but is tailor made for a phone. Do any Farkers own a Windows phone, what has been your experience(s)?


Coming from someone who has owned all the major smartphone OS brands (currently have S4):

The only problem I had with my Windows phone was the "app wasteland" and/or the waiting for an app to come out for windows phone 6 months later than on the Android and Apple.  I still think it was the best phone for music lovers, especially those (like me) who consume music from different sources: ripped used cd's, MP3s from Amazon and Google, etc and want to control their library/share it in their home. (iTunes is good, but it wants total control.  Android (my current OS) allows you to do the same things as Windows phone, but it just isn't quite as seamless.)

I also liked the "live tiles" aspect which is really just the same as the widgets functionality as on android.  But windows dictates the look and feel a bit more, so it is cleaner.  iOS is seriously lacking in the "glance and go" department, which is a must have for me in a modern smartphone OS.
 
2014-04-28 04:21:09 PM  

PortsmouthFarker: nytmare: PortsmouthFarker: Microsoft is pretty much cleaning up the low-end smartphone market already with the Lumia 520. That thing has some  greatbang-for-buck.

"Low-end smartphone"? I thought the biggest cost with smart phones was the data plan. Something like $700 / year. How do you go low-end with any smart phone?

In the UK at least:

http://giffgaff.com/goodybags/12pound-goodybag

£12 a month for unlimited data and texts

That plus one of these for £89:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-Lumia-Free-Windows-Smartphone/dp/B00BM 24 PMY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398634964&sr=8-1&keywords=lumia+520

Total those together, amortise the cost of the phone over the year, do a rough currency conversion, that's about $370 for a year of service including phone.


The closest we get here in the States is Republic Wireless.

They are Android only at the moment. A Moto G is $150 with no contract. Moto X for $300.

Then service goes as low as five bucks a month for unlimited talk and text and data, but only over WiFi. Ten bucks a month gets you unlimited talk and text over cell towers but data still only WiFi, or $25 for unlimited talk, text, and 3G data over the towers. $40 gets you unlimited talk, text, and 4G from the towers.
 
2014-04-28 04:49:52 PM  

Bullseyed: NateAsbestos: rewind2846: Plays MP3 with no funky conversion

What media player didn't do this?

iPods.


I've had my 5th generation for years and it has never converted anything. I must be doing something wrong.
 
2014-04-28 05:04:33 PM  
Must be a black phone with a name like that.
 
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