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(Slate)   "Dear Prudence, we're from the deep south and we complained because our child's teacher forced prayer on the classroom, and we got it to stop. Now, everyone in town hates us. What should we do?"   (slate.com) divider line 186
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2014-04-27 07:59:27 PM  
rewind2846: ...or maybe the lunchtime fish sandwiches for Catholics at the end of the week?

My public elementary school always served fish to everyone on Fridays.

Admittedly, that was in the late 70s, early 80s...
 
2014-04-27 08:06:58 PM  
How dare these people stand up for the Constitution? Everyone knows an elementary school teacher outranks the Bill of Rights! That's why Mrs Turner in third grade quartered troops in my home.
 
2014-04-27 08:13:12 PM  

flucto: The Prudie stuff has always been fake, but wow.


I knew someone was going to say this before I even clicked into the thread. Why do so many farkers like to dismiss all Prudie submissions as fake? No doubt there's a few fake submissions every here and there, but most sound plausible. You're like kids shouting "fake" at real videos on youtube.
 
2014-04-27 08:18:29 PM  

theflatline: jst3p: theflatline: It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.

I lived in rural Florida. It isn't as if the stereotype is completely undeserved.

But you can go to any rural area in any state, and find rednecks and ignorance.


Absolutely true, even where I am now (California), the most libby lib liberalest of liberal states. Those rednecks are part of how Prop 8 got passed.

Thing is that in some states, like the one I was born in (North Carolina, Mecklenburg county), the rednecks aren't just in the rural areas. They're much easier to find, and prop up the stereotype nicely.
 
2014-04-27 08:21:38 PM  
Should have pushed for termination of the teacher, if the teacher existed that is.
 
2014-04-27 08:22:05 PM  
Its like walking your dog.  You'll never be able to explain to a dog why it can't chase that squirrel off into the woods, so there's just a rule, dog always stays next to me.  That concept is simple enough for the dog to understand.  The people who are trying to lead prayers in school are incapable of understanding why it is inappropriate.  The arguments have been made, ad nauseam, and if they're still putting prayer in schools at this point they aren't going to be convinced otherwise.

So I guess I agree with the advice.  If they step outside the law, make a complaint.  If they follow the law, even if it is only due to the complaints, nothing is gained by antagonizing them over it.  They will never understand why they are wrong anymore than your dog will understand why it can't chase the squirrel, but as long as they go through the correct motions when required it doesn't matter what they think.
 
2014-04-27 08:44:02 PM  
I find it difficult to believe there is forced prayer in a public school in the US.
 
2014-04-27 08:56:30 PM  

Thunderpipes: No, it is because liberals, like most people on this board as an example, are intolerant, smarmy crybabies who like fat chicks.


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Funniest part is, you say you hate "intolerant" conservatives, yet you hate everyone who does not think exactly like you, and bash them whenever you can.

Yeah.  Example:  "intolerant, smarmy crybabies who like fat chicks"...oh, wait.  That was some wingnut.

You wingnuts are always whining about Them Liberals who think they're so much smarter than you.  Then you go off and say something stupid.

You even make stuff up to justify your hate.


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2014-04-27 08:58:09 PM  
Just the south, or the deep south???

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2014-04-27 09:39:19 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.


I say this with all kindness. Fark you assholes.
 
2014-04-27 09:52:53 PM  

varmitydog: Fake article is fake. They do not allow you to pray in schools in the south. Not in Wewahitchka, Florida. Not in Bear Creek, Alabama. Not in Crenshaw, Mississippi. Not in Eatonton, Georgia. Nowhere. The minute that somebody does, there is always somebody doing a Sam Kenison routine "ooooh, ooooh, oooooh" and calling the goddamned national news media, who immediately send some reporter down there to stir up some outrage. You have all seen these stories, so why would you believe this nonsense?

Some sh*tbird Slate writer dissed the south with a fake story and the Fark anti-south battalion is out in full force about how stupid the southerners are, and how terrible it is down here.

/Ain't stupid enough to fall for an obvious fake story like y'all though.


In high school, we had a principal who would come into classes and read bible stories.
 
2014-04-27 09:53:22 PM  
2nd letter: "Perhaps the family in the first letter wishes they were the ones residing among godless communists."

Heh. Prudence hates them, too.
 
2014-04-27 09:58:25 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: varmitydog: Fake article is fake. They do not allow you to pray in schools in the south. Not in Wewahitchka, Florida. Not in Bear Creek, Alabama. Not in Crenshaw, Mississippi. Not in Eatonton, Georgia. Nowhere. The minute that somebody does, there is always somebody doing a Sam Kenison routine "ooooh, ooooh, oooooh" and calling the goddamned national news media, who immediately send some reporter down there to stir up some outrage. You have all seen these stories, so why would you believe this nonsense?

Some sh*tbird Slate writer dissed the south with a fake story and the Fark anti-south battalion is out in full force about how stupid the southerners are, and how terrible it is down here.

/Ain't stupid enough to fall for an obvious fake story like y'all though.

In high school, we had a principal who would come into classes and read bible stories.


In elementary school we couldn't dress up for Halloween because our principal thought it was a satanic holiday.

My civics teacher in high school also claimed that we were allies with Israel because you don't fark with god.

I'm sure I'll remember more as I think, but I'd rather mot remember grade school.
 
2014-04-27 10:23:09 PM  
These people need to just let it go. They did the right thing: teacher-led prayer is illegal in public school and the principal responded appropriately by ensuring it was stopped. Now its over and they need to drop it and move on. If someone confronts them about it, the discussion needn't center on their religious beliefs or lack thereof. The answer is simply that the teacher-led prayer was illegal. They don't need to respond in any other way or discuss their beliefs or anyone else's.
 
2014-04-27 10:28:08 PM  
Someone should make all the Muslims read this thread.
Especially before they move to rural Ameruca and try to instill prayer call in schools.
For boys, of course.
because females are unclean, and shouldn't have education.

or.. is that the Republicans?
 
2014-04-27 10:33:12 PM  

vudukungfu: Someone should make all the Muslims read this thread.
Especially before they move to rural Ameruca and try to instill prayer call in schools.
For boys, of course.
because females are unclean, and shouldn't have education.

or.. is that the Republicans?


The Republicans are unclean and shouldn't have education?
 
2014-04-27 10:36:37 PM  

FuzedBox: flucto: The Prudie stuff has always been fake, but wow.

I knew someone was going to say this before I even clicked into the thread. Why do so many farkers like to dismiss all Prudie submissions as fake? No doubt there's a few fake submissions every here and there, but most sound plausible. You're like kids shouting "fake" at real videos on youtube.


As a notorious TFer mentioned above, Prudie is the Major Leagues of Anon DIT. When you get her to bite you're BS-ing with the all-stars. If that doesn't make sense  to you drop $5 and hang out in TFD for a while. Or save your sanity and just trust me.
 
2014-04-27 10:42:39 PM  

iron de havilland: zamboni: JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.

Yeah, and those uppity dark people should've moved to someplace less hostile.

I can't believe these atheist kids wanted to stop the good religious folk from praying in their churches and their homes and pretty much anywhere else they wanted to. It's really unreasonable to set aside about 30 hours a week out of 168 to learn useful things. Children can only pray in their own heads. No, I say... God, and I mean the Judeo-Christian God God of Abraham, as if there were any other, doesn't believe you unless you pray all the time, out loud, and proud. You hear me! All.The.Time!!!

/Yeah, I know.

Pedantic fix, but necessary. Muslims also worship Elohim; the Arabic cognate being Allah.


Well yes, obviously. Thank you for your help... Mr. Helper, but I was channeling a Christian. A century ago, had I thrown in the "Judeo" part, I might have been chased out of town. Perhaps in a few centuries will be discussing the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Hindu-Buddhist-Taoist God once they have to start circling the wagons.
 
2014-04-27 10:49:47 PM  

Frederick: I find it difficult to believe there is forced prayer in a public school in the US.


Well, I'm not at all surprised since, obviously, you worship Satan.
 
2014-04-27 10:54:14 PM  

zamboni: obviously, you worship Satan.


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2014-04-27 11:36:16 PM  
Karma is how the weak justify their inaction.
 
2014-04-28 12:18:59 AM  

Linux_Yes: There is only one solution to The South: get the f*ck out and don't come back.


there is no other solution.  they are ignorant, broke, wrapped up with a dead man who they claim is coming back to life, and proud of it.  you can't fix that.


Just the South, eh?
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2014-04-28 02:30:33 AM  
What does the bible say about the issue?

Matthew 6:6 - "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

I love to use Their  words to prove My point...
 
2014-04-28 04:28:53 AM  

Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.


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William T. Sherman wasn't enough?
 
2014-04-28 05:10:13 AM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.


Compromise? They were having school-led prayers in a public school. That's illegal and it discriminates not just against atheists but any other religion or even any different denomination of Christianity. It's an authority figure endorsing one specific faith in front of children who are supposed to look to them for guidance.

That's straight up indoctrination, and while it may be common, it certainly isn't right. The community isn't allowed to violate the constitution just because most of them agree on it.
 
2014-04-28 09:18:59 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Our child reported the praying stopped immediately with no explanation. My husband and I think the teacher should have told the students why she shouldn't have led them in prayer. He wants to press this issue, while I feel as long as we let our child know what's right and wrong, we should let this go and accept this is part of where we live. Our child will be in this school for several more years. We did tell a few acquaintances about this and they said "people like us" were ruining the community of faith. Sometimes, I feel like I'm being a coward not standing up for religious tolerance.


"Wait wait wait, you stopped us from breaking the law?  You asshole!"
 
2014-04-28 09:26:42 AM  

ennuie: The community isn't allowed to violate the constitution just because most of them agree on it.


The Constitution is HUGE in these places as long as its basically just the 2nd Amendment.  When you start actually applying the damn thing they're all up-in-arms because they have absolutely no useful knowledge on the subject.
 
2014-04-28 09:40:34 AM  
Also the woman whose Husband moved them to China is such a snot.  "I don't work, and he's advanced his career at an unheard of pace, but I don't like it here.  I'm thinking of fleeing the country with our children."

fark you, you're absolutely awful.  You're living in one of the biggest most interesting cities in the world and your husband is a rockstar at what he does in a still relatively difficult economy.  Your kids are getting a lot of really cool experiences you probably wouldn't otherwise have, and he's probably on track to making sure their future is secure.

Also her advice is such crap.  "He's established himself now he can come home."  He's established himself as the one in charge of basically Chinese Operations in his company.  I'm sure he CAN come home, but its going to be a huge step down for him and he'll probably have to wait a long-ass-time to have that kind of opportunity again.  If he ever does.
 
2014-04-28 10:34:38 AM  
Yeah, it's hard dealing with neanderthal idiots.
 
2014-04-28 10:50:38 AM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.

So, would you say he is Jew-ish?
 
2014-04-28 10:55:00 AM  
I have less confidence this Prudence is real than the one where a guy was conflicted because his wife wanted him to sleep with her three hot sisters.
 
2014-04-28 02:51:20 PM  

CivicMindedFive: I have less confidence this Prudence is real than the one where a guy was conflicted because his wife wanted him to sleep with her three hot sisters.



That's fine, but what happened to Damon Fowler was far worse, and is documented fact. A high school kid was disowned and thrown out of the house by his parents because he challenged the illegal prayer planned for his high school graduation ceremony. He had to move in with his sister in Texas, but that was probably a good thing, because Bastrop Louisiana sounds like the sort of place that it's best to escape from at the first possible opportunity.
 
2014-04-28 03:11:40 PM  

acohn: Linux_Yes: There is only one solution to The South: get the f*ck out and don't come back.


there is no other solution.  they are ignorant, broke, wrapped up with a dead man who they claim is coming back to life, and proud of it.  you can't fix that.

Just the South, eh?
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well, ok.  but the South is the Mecca of Stupid in 'murica.  without the bible thumpin' South to sustain the GOP (vote wise) the GOP would go away.  i should have been more precise.
 
2014-04-28 03:30:03 PM  

Momzilla59: What does the bible say about the issue?

Matthew 6:6 - "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

I love to use Their  words to prove My point...


I know, right? Especially when you forgive them for they know not what they do. They HATE that.
 
2014-04-28 05:55:05 PM  
Where the fark do these people supposedly live? BFE? I grew up in the literal heart of Dixie and we never had a teacher lead the class in prayer. After 9/11 they instituted a "moment of silence" where people were obviously supposed to pray, but no one ever stood in front of the class and recited a Bible verse.
 
2014-04-28 08:41:21 PM  

theflatline: FizixJunkee: studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.

I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?

Despite what you might think, us Jews have been all over the south for a very long time.  And in Alabama since the mid 1700s.  The U of Alabama has Judaic studies program.  Hell, Dothan has a synagogue.

While Alabama is not perfect, it is not the seventh level of hell either.

You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.


I'm from Alabama. I would not go back if you doubled or tripled my salary. The Baptists prayed at us every morning in high school. It was bullshiat then, and I'm sure it's worse now. If you aren't Baptist outside of Birmingham, you are well and truly farked.
 
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