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(Slate)   "Dear Prudence, we're from the deep south and we complained because our child's teacher forced prayer on the classroom, and we got it to stop. Now, everyone in town hates us. What should we do?"   (slate.com) divider line 186
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2014-04-27 03:16:23 PM
Knowing the atheist activists I do, I'm sure these people are the type who can't go to the grocery store without imagining their Constitutional rights are being violated.

TLDR: everyone would probably hate them regardless of this school prayer thing.
 
2014-04-27 03:17:25 PM
Mabey they should pray to god and see what it says.
 
2014-04-27 03:18:01 PM

PreMortem: There are still schools forcing prayer? Jezus.


We're in Atlanta.  Teachers here still talk about Jesus in class, church events still get promoted at school, and the school requires all students to recite the pledge of allegiance---the come-lately version that includes the words, "under God".  This is at a supposedly great school that people move into the neighborhood to attend.

It's hard to believe all this is happening in a big city in 2014.

/they scheduled picture day on Ash Wednesday.  That's how retarded they are.
 
2014-04-27 03:18:27 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: GodHatesTrolls.jpg


It will always amuse me how "conservatives" are so ignorant about the Constitution they constantly bleat about following.

And by "amuse" I mean "disgust and amaze".
 
2014-04-27 03:19:32 PM
As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.
 
2014-04-27 03:21:02 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If they were smart (and this were a real situation), they should have said their child was Muslim, and pressed for a Muslim prayer to be added to the morning school ritual.

That would have fixed things just as well, and they wouldn't have come off like ZOMG DEY BANNDED PRAYER!



Or prayer two or three times during the school day (5 prayers total in a 24 hour period, right)?  That would be awesome.
 
2014-04-27 03:22:05 PM

Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists people.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.

 
2014-04-27 03:23:54 PM

studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.


I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?
 
2014-04-27 03:25:39 PM
Come to Fark and whine about it. You'll get tons of support.
 
2014-04-27 03:31:32 PM
I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.
 
2014-04-27 03:32:10 PM

FizixJunkee: PreMortem: There are still schools forcing prayer? Jezus.

We're in Atlanta.  Teachers here still talk about Jesus in class, church events still get promoted at school, and the school requires all students to recite the pledge of allegiance---the come-lately version that includes the words, "under God".  This is at a supposedly great school that people move into the neighborhood to attend.

It's hard to believe all this is happening in a big city in 2014.

/they scheduled picture day on Ash Wednesday.  That's how retarded they are.


On the plus side, one can be excused from the Pledge based on religious grounds....
 
2014-04-27 03:32:43 PM

FizixJunkee: studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.

I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?


Despite what you might think, us Jews have been all over the south for a very long time.  And in Alabama since the mid 1700s.  The U of Alabama has Judaic studies program.  Hell, Dothan has a synagogue.

While Alabama is not perfect, it is not the seventh level of hell either.

You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.
 
2014-04-27 03:32:46 PM

KidneyStone: Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.

I'm an atheist and I'm sick of the more vocal ones.

I live in Georgia and I couldn't care less if people pray. Some organizations I'm in hold a prayer before meetings and other events and it doesn't bother me a bit. I stand with them and remain silent while still being respectful of their faith.

Which is all I ask of them to do concerning my utter lack of religious faith. And for the most part I get exactly that.

Once in a while I get the "don't worry, sometime you'll find the Truth" and I nod and smile. I understand they believe in the whole "being saved" deal and they're actually wishing me well.


like you. Even though I wouldn't wish your moniker on anyone.
 
2014-04-27 03:34:01 PM
This is my favourite part: "We did tell a few acquaintances about this and they said "people like us" were ruining the community of faith. Sometimes, I feel like I'm being a coward not standing up for religious tolerance".

Just tell your kid that some people pray and believe in a God and that God provides for them, so they pray to thank God for the meal etc. Then tell your kid what you believe and how she should respect other people's beliefs as long as no one gets hurt.
 
2014-04-27 03:35:03 PM

macross87: FizixJunkee: PreMortem: There are still schools forcing prayer? Jezus.

We're in Atlanta.  Teachers here still talk about Jesus in class, church events still get promoted at school, and the school requires all students to recite the pledge of allegiance---the come-lately version that includes the words, "under God".  This is at a supposedly great school that people move into the neighborhood to attend.

It's hard to believe all this is happening in a big city in 2014.

/they scheduled picture day on Ash Wednesday.  That's how retarded they are.

On the plus side, one can be excused from the Pledge based on religious grounds....



Our 6 year old daughter says she doesn't want to say it, but that she'd get in trouble if she didn't (she didn't elucidate what "in trouble" actually means).  I told her that she's not required to say it at all, but if she wants to participate, she can skip the "under God" part, or she can just pretend to recite it.
 
2014-04-27 03:35:19 PM

Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.


What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.
 
2014-04-27 03:36:13 PM

theflatline: You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.



I'm Jewish and I live in Atlanta, dude. I do have some idea of what it's like to be Jewish in the South.
 
2014-04-27 03:36:27 PM
Did Prudence we moved to place and everyone here isn't exactly just like us, so we managed to force our way onto the masses and now we're surprised they didn't want we wanted.   Should we have used our brains and considered our environment and our options before we shiat the bed we have to sleep in for the next few years?

Sometimes being right turns out wrong.
 
2014-04-27 03:36:59 PM

FizixJunkee: studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.

I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?


As a matter of fact I can. During the '80s I was a manufacturer's rep for a menswear line. My territory was Alabama & Mississippi. I was one of the few Gentiles in the industry, and that included both buyers and sellers. They use to tease me with the nickname of the Irish Hebe.
 
2014-04-27 03:38:15 PM

theflatline: It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.


I lived in rural Florida. It isn't as if the stereotype is completely undeserved.
 
2014-04-27 03:41:46 PM

Coco LaFemme: Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.

What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.


It was that entire Gettysburg Address thing that set the tone for reconciliation.  Had it been me, I would have said, "Four score and 7 years ago, we entered into a union with primitive tards.  Now we're in a position to get rid of those tards once and for all."
 
2014-04-27 03:43:19 PM

Bedstead Polisher: This is my favourite part: "We did tell a few acquaintances about this and they said "people like us" were ruining the community of faith. Sometimes, I feel like I'm being a coward not standing up for religious tolerance".

Just tell your kid that some people pray and believe in a God and that God provides for them, so they pray to thank God for the meal etc. Then tell your kid what you believe and how she should respect other people's beliefs as long as no one gets hurt.


Pretty much this...
Personal beliefs aside, assuming there is a conscious entity in this universe which really did create all life-bearing things by whatever means (like an errant comet here, just the right distribution of gas giants and rocky bodies there) then even if it's processed junk made with 100% non-natural means... That entity  stillprovided the planet, which allowed sentient, very clever life to evolve; so in a roundabout sort of way that McPlasticBurger  is provided by that entity.

If you don't choose to believe stuff like that, then it should be totally fine; no need to be a total douche about it and if anyone attacks them for not believing, then they are the smaller person.

/keep your beliefs off of me
//DO NOT WANT!
///I keep my stuff to myself!
 
2014-04-27 03:44:38 PM

anniesmom: As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.


Funny AND smart!

/mobile, only way I can vote
 
2014-04-27 03:45:21 PM
The problem with most atheists isn't that they don't believe in God. It's that they'll believe in some other damn fool thing in God's place.

\Oh you're perfectly rational. That's cute. How did you come across your inhuman genes?
 
2014-04-27 03:46:01 PM

jst3p: theflatline: It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.

I lived in rural Florida. It isn't as if the stereotype is completely undeserved.


But you can go to any rural area in any state, and find rednecks and ignorance.
 
2014-04-27 03:47:53 PM

Fissile: Coco LaFemme: Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.

What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.

It was that entire Gettysburg Address thing that set the tone for reconciliation.  Had it been me, I would have said, "Four score and 7 years ago, we entered into a union with primitive tards.  Now we're in a position to get rid of those tards once and for all."


Yes, how dare a man act Presidential while in the midst of a horrific, hellish conflict, the likes of which the country had never seen before.  He totally should have gone to that cemetery dedication and whipped his dick out, acting like Rambo on one too many steroid shots.  That absolutely would have helped.  Totally.  *thumbs up*
 
2014-04-27 03:50:12 PM

FizixJunkee: theflatline: You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.


I'm Jewish and I live in Atlanta, dude. I do have some idea of what it's like to be Jewish in the South.


I lived in Atlanta, and even my stereo-typical sephardic jewish looks(big nose, bald, short) I never experienced any antisemitism.   Nor in New Orleans, Mobile, or here in Florida where I am  now.

The only time anyone has inquired about my religion or ethnicity was in Phliadelphia, DC, New York and San Francisco.

Evidently in California if you speak Spanish you are Mexican, In Philly you are Puerto Rican, and DC and New York people are just nosy.
 
2014-04-27 03:52:51 PM
"I, an outsider, moved into a close-knit traditional community, disrupted one of their core values, and they didn't seem pleased."

It doesn't matter if you're in the Deep South, Borneo, Zimbabwe, or the furthest end of the world; this is just a fundamental rule of human societies. How do these people not know that?
 
2014-04-27 03:53:00 PM

Coco LaFemme: Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.

What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.


I think that was sarcasm. Lincoln was interested in reconciliation, which would've been a good thing. Johnson was interested in punishment, which led to decades and more of resentment. The assassination of Lincoln was one of the worst things that could've happened to the south.

(In case you didn't grasp the reference to Germany... which obviously you didn't.)

Homework assignment. Compare and contrast the German response to the terms after WWI vs. those after WWII. Which yielded a superior long term result?
 
2014-04-27 03:54:14 PM

Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.


Unless I was paid an awful lot of money, I wouldn't move to the Derp South

/ from what I hear from a co-worker, Charleston, SC is OK...
 
2014-04-27 03:55:56 PM

theflatline: jst3p: theflatline: It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.

I lived in rural Florida. It isn't as if the stereotype is completely undeserved.

But you can go to any rural area in any state, and find rednecks and ignorance.


The south has a special blend in their "ignorant redneck stew". I think they use double portions of bible and racism.
 
2014-04-27 03:56:32 PM

Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.




Atheist aren't the ones with huge ass crosses on their buildings, scream this is a Christian country, and demand everyone believe as they do. T

If the teacher doesn't explain to the class, then they will tell lies and blame this family for ruining their community.

You want religion go to church. You want education go to school.

Mathew 6:5"Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward.
 
2014-04-27 03:57:29 PM

GilRuiz1: "I, an outsider, moved into a close-knit traditional community, disrupted one of their core values, and they didn't seem pleased."

It doesn't matter if you're in the Deep South, Borneo, Zimbabwe, or the furthest end of the world; this is just a fundamental rule of human societies. How do these people not know that?


Yeah, I would have just told my kid not to pray if he didn't want to. Sure there is principal involved but there is often a price to pay for being "that guy". I don't know if I would or wouldn't be willing to pay that price but I wouldn't put my kid in the middle of it.
 
2014-04-27 04:02:08 PM
Dear Unconstitutional,
 You've won the battle, now it's time to win the war. You should throw a party. Decorate with upside down crosses and flaming pentagrams. Serve sacrificial blood and hey have a cookout  and use the meat from the sacrifice. Finally you should take a crap right in the middle of the Mayor's front steps

 This plan will make you and yours the talk of the town
 
2014-04-27 04:02:23 PM

GilRuiz1: It doesn't matter if you're in the Deep South, Borneo, Zimbabwe, or the furthest end of the world; this is just a fundamental rule of human societies. How do these people not know that?


Breaking the law is a core value?
 
2014-04-27 04:06:09 PM

cynicalminion: "dear prudence, i don't think i like you anymore... you used to watch me shave, now all you do is stare at the floor..."


Dude, you need a grip on your man to man relationship
 
2014-04-27 04:10:05 PM
Find a big municipal project that the whole town can get behind like an upgrade to the arena or something, and then wiccans to crowd fund it.
 
2014-04-27 04:12:22 PM

dfenstrate: The problem with most atheists isn't that they don't believe in God. It's that they'll believe in some other damn fool thing in God's place.

\Oh you're perfectly rational. That's cute. How did you come across your inhuman genes?


Yeah man, those silly atheists believing things like the moon causes the tides.  Everyone knows they're caused by God flushing the toilet.
 
2014-04-27 04:13:36 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If they were smart (and this were a real situation), they should have said their child was Muslim, and pressed for a Muslim prayer to be added to the morning school ritual.

That would have fixed things just as well, and they wouldn't have come off like ZOMG DEY BANNDED PRAYER!


True story: when I was a kid they had either Catholic or Protestant religion classes.  I asked my mom which we were and she told me we were Muslim (we weren't).  They made me stay in the classroom and do arithmetic problems.  Mom was always being hilarious like that.
 
2014-04-27 04:13:52 PM

theflatline: FizixJunkee: studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.

I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?

Despite what you might think, us Jews have been all over the south for a very long time.  And in Alabama since the mid 1700s.  The U of Alabama has Judaic studies program.  Hell, Dothan has a synagogue.

While Alabama is not perfect, it is not the seventh level of hell either.

You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.


Southerner here! There is a lady we treat as an aunt (we even put "Miss" in front of her name!) who is Jewish. Her family lived in a small Southern town and owned a lace shop. She was highly respected. My grandmother even thinks she might really be saved because she is such a good woman. They lived close to each other as her father was the mayor of the town.

My closest friends were Jewish in high school. I had more problems than the Jews because I am Mormon (my grandmother wasn't BTW, she came from one of those "old families"). Even when my mother was young, they rarely prayed in school and she is from a small town. One class that did would allow the one Jewish boy to say a Jewish prayer in front of the class on occasion.

The South isn't what it is like in the movies. We don't go lynchin' on the weekends, etc.

The "being a good American" line smells of bull.
 
2014-04-27 04:23:33 PM
DRTFA (this is Fark after all)

What should you do?  Try not being anti-religious bigots in a religious town for starters
 
2014-04-27 04:28:49 PM

Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.



dafuq
 
2014-04-27 04:32:40 PM

Ontos: "ZOMG!  We publicly took a really unpopular position that we knew would piss off all the locals and now we're unpopular and the locals are pissed off!!  What can we do?  Who could have ever seen this coming?"


The nerve of some people!  Can you imagine?  Wanting the school to abide by the Constitution!!  Outrageous!!
 
2014-04-27 04:33:48 PM
Try growing the fark upand obeying the law of the united farking states.
 
2014-04-27 04:34:40 PM

Tyee: Did Prudence we moved to place and everyone here isn't exactly just like us, so we managed to force our way onto the masses and now we're surprised they didn't want we wanted. Should we have used our brains and considered our environment and our options before we shiat the bed we have to sleep in for the next few years?


No, they should shut up and just let Constitutional violations continue.  To insist that the school abide by the Constitution is un-American!
 
2014-04-27 04:41:08 PM

lindalouwho: anniesmom: As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.

Funny AND smart!

/mobile, only way I can vote


:)  I've heard this for a long time. It's usually the first thing that pops into my head whenever anyone brings this subject up.
 It's short and to the point.
 
2014-04-27 04:43:41 PM

KidneyStone: Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.

I'm an atheist and I'm sick of the more vocal ones.

I live in Georgia and I couldn't care less if people pray. Some organizations I'm in hold a prayer before meetings and other events and it doesn't bother me a bit. I stand with them and remain silent while still being respectful of their faith.

Which is all I ask of them to do concerning my utter lack of religious faith. And for the most part I get exactly that.

Once in a while I get the "don't worry, sometime you'll find the Truth" and I nod and smile. I understand they believe in the whole "being saved" deal and they're actually wishing me well.


Nope, too tolerant.

/goodonya
 
2014-04-27 04:45:29 PM
Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.
 
2014-04-27 04:54:18 PM

Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.


That's because some of the public preachers moved to Williamsburg. Bastards couldn't leave us students alone. And the rest of them went to Texas.
 
2014-04-27 04:55:12 PM

Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.


And as we all know, strangers pretending to be nice to you is way more important than anything else.

/Lived in VT for a few years.  Would much rather deal with rude honest people than "nice" dishonest people.
//Also, if most of the people you dealt with in VT were rude to you, odds are it was because you were being a flaming douche-nozzle about something.  They're friendly enough people if you're being friendly, but they've got no patience for assholes.
 
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