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(Slate)   "Dear Prudence, we're from the deep south and we complained because our child's teacher forced prayer on the classroom, and we got it to stop. Now, everyone in town hates us. What should we do?"   (slate.com ) divider line
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2014-04-27 10:03:21 AM  
Fertilizer, Torco RC Nitro Methane and a few Ryder trucks.  Costs a few bucks up front, but it will take care of your problem.
 
2014-04-27 10:09:55 AM  
Our child reported the praying stopped immediately with no explanation. My husband and I think the teacher should have told the students why she shouldn't have led them in prayer. He wants to press this issue, while I feel as long as we let our child know what's right and wrong, we should let this go and accept this is part of where we live. Our child will be in this school for several more years. We did tell a few acquaintances about this and they said "people like us" were ruining the community of faith. Sometimes, I feel like I'm being a coward not standing up for religious tolerance.

We got what we wanted and so far nothing else has happened.  What do we do?!
 
2014-04-27 10:14:35 AM  
Actually, I agree with Prudy's advice but if this were me, Id have a hard time putting up with the very religious.
 
2014-04-27 10:37:56 AM  
Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.
 
2014-04-27 10:53:08 AM  
The Prudie stuff has always been fake, but wow.
 
2014-04-27 10:56:29 AM  
Didn't we already discuss this column, or was that in a red light thread?

Anyway the thing I can't believe in this column is that there aren't any sexual deviants or just plain wierdo's listed in it.
 
2014-04-27 11:12:21 AM  
There are still schools forcing prayer? Jezus.
 
2014-04-27 11:13:37 AM  

Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.


Yep.
 
2014-04-27 11:16:36 AM  

BizarreMan: Didn't we already discuss this column, or was that in a red light thread?


That one was redlit.

flucto: The Prudie stuff has always been fake, but wow.


I consider it to be the major leagues of AnonDIT.
 
2014-04-27 11:18:43 AM  

Shostie: I consider it to be the major leagues of AnonDIT.


Keep training man. You'll get the call up soon I KNOW IT
 
2014-04-27 11:31:38 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.


Yeah, and those uppity dark people should've moved to someplace less hostile.

I can't believe these atheist kids wanted to stop the good religious folk from praying in their churches and their homes and pretty much anywhere else they wanted to. It's really unreasonable to set aside about 30 hours a week out of 168 to learn useful things. Children can only pray in their own heads. No, I say... God, and I mean the Judeo-Christian God, as if there were any other, doesn't believe you unless you pray all the time, out loud, and proud. You hear me! All.The.Time!!!

/Yeah, I know.
 
2014-04-27 11:50:44 AM  

K3rmy: Fertilizer, Torco RC Nitro Methane and a few Ryder trucks.  Costs a few bucks up front, but it will take care of your problem.


Making soap can solve a lot of problems. Might be a little bit extreme, but problem solved.

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2014-04-27 11:51:26 AM  
You should move to a civilized state
 
2014-04-27 11:58:28 AM  
That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.
 
2014-04-27 12:21:57 PM  

make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.


Yes it is.  Which is why she didn't want to

 He wants to press this issue, while I feel as long as we let our child know what's right and wrong, we should let this go and accept this is part of where we live.

So, the husband wanted to press the issue, the letter writer did not.

All this assumes that these letters aren't made up by "Prudie"
 
2014-04-27 12:26:18 PM  

make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.


They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.
 
2014-04-27 12:28:37 PM  

zamboni: JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.

Yeah, and those uppity dark people should've moved to someplace less hostile.

I can't believe these atheist kids wanted to stop the good religious folk from praying in their churches and their homes and pretty much anywhere else they wanted to. It's really unreasonable to set aside about 30 hours a week out of 168 to learn useful things. Children can only pray in their own heads. No, I say... God, and I mean the Judeo-Christian God, as if there were any other, doesn't believe you unless you pray all the time, out loud, and proud. You hear me! All.The.Time!!!

/Yeah, I know.


this
 
2014-04-27 12:55:43 PM  
Prudence was correct in how she answered the issue.

Beating a dead horse won't make it go faster, dude.
 
2014-04-27 01:04:32 PM  
Anyone want to join me on prayer that they find peace?
 
2014-04-27 01:33:43 PM  
If they were smart (and this were a real situation), they should have said their child was Muslim, and pressed for a Muslim prayer to be added to the morning school ritual.

That would have fixed things just as well, and they wouldn't have come off like ZOMG DEY BANNDED PRAYER!
 
2014-04-27 02:18:51 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: If they were smart (and this were a real situation), they should have said their child was Muslim, and pressed for a Muslim prayer to be added to the morning school ritual.

That would have fixed things just as well, and they wouldn't have come off like ZOMG DEY BANNDED PRAYER!


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2014-04-27 02:23:13 PM  
"dear prudence, i don't think i like you anymore... you used to watch me shave, now all you do is stare at the floor..."
 
2014-04-27 02:30:00 PM  
Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.
 
2014-04-27 02:30:35 PM  
But if the kids can't pray in school, where on earth can they possibly go to pray?
 
2014-04-27 02:30:40 PM  
Firebomb the town. Problem solved (and not just for your family).
 
2014-04-27 02:30:59 PM  
"ZOMG!  We publicly took a really unpopular position that we knew would piss off all the locals and now we're unpopular and the locals are pissed off!!  What can we do?  Who could have ever seen this coming?"
 
2014-04-27 02:33:23 PM  

AirForceVet: Prudence was correct in how she answered the issue.

Beating a dead horse won't make it go faster, dude.


Then you clearly have to hit it harder. I've played enough Left 4 Dead to know that zombies can move when they want to.
 
2014-04-27 02:36:17 PM  
Eh...there's a Monday morning prayer meeting for teachers where I interned. I freaking loved it because it meant the copy room was free.
 
2014-04-27 02:39:52 PM  
My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.
 
2014-04-27 02:40:09 PM  
Like most of what gets submitted to Prudence, I'm gonna call fake.

While kids say the darndest things, I call shenanigans on "I thought I was being a good American"
 
2014-04-27 02:40:59 PM  
Dear Liberal Douchebag

Move
 
2014-04-27 02:41:48 PM  
Dear Prudence,

How can I make money off an MFA?
 
2014-04-27 02:43:09 PM  
i.imgur.com

Because what's the point of winning if people don't know you've won?

Where's the curtain calls?  Where's the bowing?  Where's the NOTERIETY?  Yes, you've won, but you need to TELL people you've won.

This is why looters and bank robbers go on Facebook, pose with their loot  and say "Yo look at dis!"
 
2014-04-27 02:44:12 PM  
Kill yourself
 
2014-04-27 02:45:21 PM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.


Indeed. Shut up and join the lynch mob like all of the other white people. Who cares if it is technically illegal, our community lynches blacks and you can love it or get the hell out.
 
2014-04-27 02:48:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
I threw a $10!
See that $10?  *I* threw that.
 
2014-04-27 02:53:26 PM  
Who are these backwards farks?
For Christsakes, we never prayed in school back in the 60's!
 
2014-04-27 02:57:59 PM  
Poor kid. Once she's made as the designated Heathen, she's Bully-Bait.

Maybe she should transfer to a "Historically Black" college...
 
2014-04-27 02:58:52 PM  

loki see loki do: Who are these backwards farks?
For Christsakes, we never prayed in school back in the 60's!


I know, though I do remember getting some flak in high school/college age for bowing my head, closing my eyes and saying a 5-second prayer in my head, over my lunch.

I know religious people can be pushy, just like basically anyone else.

If this isn't made up, then they threw away whatever positive karma they gained for reminding people that prayer doesn't belong in non-religious classrooms when they wrote to and advice column going "waah, now nobody likes us!!"

Adapt to your current situation, make what friends you can in that community, stick it out to let some of the fallout blow over or just farking MOVE.
 
2014-04-27 02:58:58 PM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.


^^^^^^THIS^^^^
 
2014-04-27 03:00:46 PM  
Don't stop there.  Start walking around with your dick hanging out of your pants.   Whenever you see one of the people who hates you, stop and do windmills.  Offer them souvenir photos.
 
2014-04-27 03:01:31 PM  

Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.


I'm an atheist and I'm sick of the more vocal ones.

I live in Georgia and I couldn't care less if people pray. Some organizations I'm in hold a prayer before meetings and other events and it doesn't bother me a bit. I stand with them and remain silent while still being respectful of their faith.

Which is all I ask of them to do concerning my utter lack of religious faith. And for the most part I get exactly that.

Once in a while I get the "don't worry, sometime you'll find the Truth" and I nod and smile. I understand they believe in the whole "being saved" deal and they're actually wishing me well.
 
2014-04-27 03:01:48 PM  

rebelyell2006: Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.

Indeed. Shut up and join the lynch mob like all of the other white people. Who cares if it is technically illegal, our community lynches blacks and you can love it or get the hell out.


tommcfarlin.com
 
2014-04-27 03:03:06 PM  
Move.
 
2014-04-27 03:03:52 PM  

rebelyell2006: Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.

Indeed. Shut up and join the lynch mob like all of the other white people. Who cares if it is technically illegal, our community lynches blacks and you can love it or get the hell out.


?????

I find it vaguely interesting that your mind went there first, especially for no reason.  If you feel strongly that prayer should not be in school, and you argue to have it removed, you have to do so with the understanding that people aren't going to like you for it.  It makes absolutely no sense to get pissed off about it, because you had to see it coming.  My comment about compromise had to do with the idea that if you remind your child that other people praying doesn't affect them in any way, shape, form, or size, and it can't hurt them, what's the problem with letting them do it?  Praying is not illegal, unlike your retarded example of lynching people, which is.

Put the crack pipe down, Sparkles.
 
2014-04-27 03:06:22 PM  
Run from your problems.  Works for most farkers.
 
2014-04-27 03:10:26 PM  

Coco LaFemme: rebelyell2006: Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.

Indeed. Shut up and join the lynch mob like all of the other white people. Who cares if it is technically illegal, our community lynches blacks and you can love it or get the hell out.

?????

I find it vaguely interesting that your mind went there first, especially for no reason.  If you feel strongly that prayer should not be in school, and you argue to have it removed, you have to do so with the understanding that people aren't going to like you for it.  It makes absolutely no sense to get pissed off about it, because you had to see it coming.  My comment about compromise had to do with the idea that if you remind your child that other people praying doesn't affect them in any way, shape, form, or size, and it can't hurt them, what's the problem with letting them do it?  Praying is not illegal, unlike your retarded example of lynching people, which is.

Put the crack pipe down, Sparkles.


Forcing kids to pray in a public school is illegal.
 
2014-04-27 03:12:33 PM  

dantheman195: Dear Liberal Douchebag

Move


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2014-04-27 03:13:04 PM  
Why anybody with any brains at all would move to the Deep South when there are any other choices at all is beyond me.

You know, such as the Congo, where people are much more civilized and enlightened.
 
2014-04-27 03:15:07 PM  

Coco LaFemme: rebelyell2006: Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.

Indeed. Shut up and join the lynch mob like all of the other white people. Who cares if it is technically illegal, our community lynches blacks and you can love it or get the hell out.

?????

I find it vaguely interesting that your mind went there first, especially for no reason.  If you feel strongly that prayer should not be in school, and you argue to have it removed, you have to do so with the understanding that people aren't going to like you for it.  It makes absolutely no sense to get pissed off about it, because you had to see it coming.  My comment about compromise had to do with the idea that if you remind your child that other people praying doesn't affect them in any way, shape, form, or size, and it can't hurt them, what's the problem with letting them do it?  Praying is not illegal, unlike your retarded example of lynching people, which is.

Put the crack pipe down, Sparkles.


A teacher leading prayer is illegal, which is what happened in the article.  Students, like people praying at lunch or whatever, can pray as much as they like.  The reason teacher led prayer is illegal is because of their role in the school.  While the reply was rather extreme, the challenge to that community's status quo was merited in that situation.  A teacher has a position of power over the students, teacher led prayer is not on par with individual prayer.
 
2014-04-27 03:16:23 PM  
Knowing the atheist activists I do, I'm sure these people are the type who can't go to the grocery store without imagining their Constitutional rights are being violated.

TLDR: everyone would probably hate them regardless of this school prayer thing.
 
2014-04-27 03:17:25 PM  
Mabey they should pray to god and see what it says.
 
2014-04-27 03:18:01 PM  

PreMortem: There are still schools forcing prayer? Jezus.


We're in Atlanta.  Teachers here still talk about Jesus in class, church events still get promoted at school, and the school requires all students to recite the pledge of allegiance---the come-lately version that includes the words, "under God".  This is at a supposedly great school that people move into the neighborhood to attend.

It's hard to believe all this is happening in a big city in 2014.

/they scheduled picture day on Ash Wednesday.  That's how retarded they are.
 
2014-04-27 03:18:27 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: GodHatesTrolls.jpg


It will always amuse me how "conservatives" are so ignorant about the Constitution they constantly bleat about following.

And by "amuse" I mean "disgust and amaze".
 
2014-04-27 03:19:32 PM  
As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.
 
2014-04-27 03:21:02 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: If they were smart (and this were a real situation), they should have said their child was Muslim, and pressed for a Muslim prayer to be added to the morning school ritual.

That would have fixed things just as well, and they wouldn't have come off like ZOMG DEY BANNDED PRAYER!



Or prayer two or three times during the school day (5 prayers total in a 24 hour period, right)?  That would be awesome.
 
2014-04-27 03:22:05 PM  

Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists people.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.

 
2014-04-27 03:23:54 PM  

studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.


I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?
 
2014-04-27 03:25:39 PM  
Come to Fark and whine about it. You'll get tons of support.
 
2014-04-27 03:31:32 PM  
I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.
 
2014-04-27 03:32:43 PM  

FizixJunkee: studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.

I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?


Despite what you might think, us Jews have been all over the south for a very long time.  And in Alabama since the mid 1700s.  The U of Alabama has Judaic studies program.  Hell, Dothan has a synagogue.

While Alabama is not perfect, it is not the seventh level of hell either.

You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.
 
2014-04-27 03:32:46 PM  

KidneyStone: Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.

I'm an atheist and I'm sick of the more vocal ones.

I live in Georgia and I couldn't care less if people pray. Some organizations I'm in hold a prayer before meetings and other events and it doesn't bother me a bit. I stand with them and remain silent while still being respectful of their faith.

Which is all I ask of them to do concerning my utter lack of religious faith. And for the most part I get exactly that.

Once in a while I get the "don't worry, sometime you'll find the Truth" and I nod and smile. I understand they believe in the whole "being saved" deal and they're actually wishing me well.


like you. Even though I wouldn't wish your moniker on anyone.
 
2014-04-27 03:34:01 PM  
This is my favourite part: "We did tell a few acquaintances about this and they said "people like us" were ruining the community of faith. Sometimes, I feel like I'm being a coward not standing up for religious tolerance".

Just tell your kid that some people pray and believe in a God and that God provides for them, so they pray to thank God for the meal etc. Then tell your kid what you believe and how she should respect other people's beliefs as long as no one gets hurt.
 
2014-04-27 03:35:03 PM  

macross87: FizixJunkee: PreMortem: There are still schools forcing prayer? Jezus.

We're in Atlanta.  Teachers here still talk about Jesus in class, church events still get promoted at school, and the school requires all students to recite the pledge of allegiance---the come-lately version that includes the words, "under God".  This is at a supposedly great school that people move into the neighborhood to attend.

It's hard to believe all this is happening in a big city in 2014.

/they scheduled picture day on Ash Wednesday.  That's how retarded they are.

On the plus side, one can be excused from the Pledge based on religious grounds....



Our 6 year old daughter says she doesn't want to say it, but that she'd get in trouble if she didn't (she didn't elucidate what "in trouble" actually means).  I told her that she's not required to say it at all, but if she wants to participate, she can skip the "under God" part, or she can just pretend to recite it.
 
2014-04-27 03:35:19 PM  

Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.


What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.
 
2014-04-27 03:36:13 PM  

theflatline: You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.



I'm Jewish and I live in Atlanta, dude. I do have some idea of what it's like to be Jewish in the South.
 
2014-04-27 03:36:27 PM  
Did Prudence we moved to place and everyone here isn't exactly just like us, so we managed to force our way onto the masses and now we're surprised they didn't want we wanted.   Should we have used our brains and considered our environment and our options before we shiat the bed we have to sleep in for the next few years?

Sometimes being right turns out wrong.
 
2014-04-27 03:36:59 PM  

FizixJunkee: studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.

I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?


As a matter of fact I can. During the '80s I was a manufacturer's rep for a menswear line. My territory was Alabama & Mississippi. I was one of the few Gentiles in the industry, and that included both buyers and sellers. They use to tease me with the nickname of the Irish Hebe.
 
2014-04-27 03:38:15 PM  

theflatline: It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.


I lived in rural Florida. It isn't as if the stereotype is completely undeserved.
 
2014-04-27 03:41:46 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.

What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.


It was that entire Gettysburg Address thing that set the tone for reconciliation.  Had it been me, I would have said, "Four score and 7 years ago, we entered into a union with primitive tards.  Now we're in a position to get rid of those tards once and for all."
 
2014-04-27 03:43:19 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: This is my favourite part: "We did tell a few acquaintances about this and they said "people like us" were ruining the community of faith. Sometimes, I feel like I'm being a coward not standing up for religious tolerance".

Just tell your kid that some people pray and believe in a God and that God provides for them, so they pray to thank God for the meal etc. Then tell your kid what you believe and how she should respect other people's beliefs as long as no one gets hurt.


Pretty much this...
Personal beliefs aside, assuming there is a conscious entity in this universe which really did create all life-bearing things by whatever means (like an errant comet here, just the right distribution of gas giants and rocky bodies there) then even if it's processed junk made with 100% non-natural means... That entity  stillprovided the planet, which allowed sentient, very clever life to evolve; so in a roundabout sort of way that McPlasticBurger  is provided by that entity.

If you don't choose to believe stuff like that, then it should be totally fine; no need to be a total douche about it and if anyone attacks them for not believing, then they are the smaller person.

/keep your beliefs off of me
//DO NOT WANT!
///I keep my stuff to myself!
 
2014-04-27 03:44:38 PM  

anniesmom: As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.


Funny AND smart!

/mobile, only way I can vote
 
2014-04-27 03:45:21 PM  
The problem with most atheists isn't that they don't believe in God. It's that they'll believe in some other damn fool thing in God's place.

\Oh you're perfectly rational. That's cute. How did you come across your inhuman genes?
 
2014-04-27 03:46:01 PM  

jst3p: theflatline: It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.

I lived in rural Florida. It isn't as if the stereotype is completely undeserved.


But you can go to any rural area in any state, and find rednecks and ignorance.
 
2014-04-27 03:47:53 PM  

Fissile: Coco LaFemme: Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.

What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.

It was that entire Gettysburg Address thing that set the tone for reconciliation.  Had it been me, I would have said, "Four score and 7 years ago, we entered into a union with primitive tards.  Now we're in a position to get rid of those tards once and for all."


Yes, how dare a man act Presidential while in the midst of a horrific, hellish conflict, the likes of which the country had never seen before.  He totally should have gone to that cemetery dedication and whipped his dick out, acting like Rambo on one too many steroid shots.  That absolutely would have helped.  Totally.  *thumbs up*
 
2014-04-27 03:50:12 PM  

FizixJunkee: theflatline: You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.


I'm Jewish and I live in Atlanta, dude. I do have some idea of what it's like to be Jewish in the South.


I lived in Atlanta, and even my stereo-typical sephardic jewish looks(big nose, bald, short) I never experienced any antisemitism.   Nor in New Orleans, Mobile, or here in Florida where I am  now.

The only time anyone has inquired about my religion or ethnicity was in Phliadelphia, DC, New York and San Francisco.

Evidently in California if you speak Spanish you are Mexican, In Philly you are Puerto Rican, and DC and New York people are just nosy.
 
2014-04-27 03:52:51 PM  
"I, an outsider, moved into a close-knit traditional community, disrupted one of their core values, and they didn't seem pleased."

It doesn't matter if you're in the Deep South, Borneo, Zimbabwe, or the furthest end of the world; this is just a fundamental rule of human societies. How do these people not know that?
 
2014-04-27 03:53:00 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.

What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.


I think that was sarcasm. Lincoln was interested in reconciliation, which would've been a good thing. Johnson was interested in punishment, which led to decades and more of resentment. The assassination of Lincoln was one of the worst things that could've happened to the south.

(In case you didn't grasp the reference to Germany... which obviously you didn't.)

Homework assignment. Compare and contrast the German response to the terms after WWI vs. those after WWII. Which yielded a superior long term result?
 
2014-04-27 03:54:14 PM  

Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.


Unless I was paid an awful lot of money, I wouldn't move to the Derp South

/ from what I hear from a co-worker, Charleston, SC is OK...
 
2014-04-27 03:55:56 PM  

theflatline: jst3p: theflatline: It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.

I lived in rural Florida. It isn't as if the stereotype is completely undeserved.

But you can go to any rural area in any state, and find rednecks and ignorance.


The south has a special blend in their "ignorant redneck stew". I think they use double portions of bible and racism.
 
2014-04-27 03:56:32 PM  

Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.




Atheist aren't the ones with huge ass crosses on their buildings, scream this is a Christian country, and demand everyone believe as they do. T

If the teacher doesn't explain to the class, then they will tell lies and blame this family for ruining their community.

You want religion go to church. You want education go to school.

Mathew 6:5"Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward.
 
2014-04-27 03:57:29 PM  

GilRuiz1: "I, an outsider, moved into a close-knit traditional community, disrupted one of their core values, and they didn't seem pleased."

It doesn't matter if you're in the Deep South, Borneo, Zimbabwe, or the furthest end of the world; this is just a fundamental rule of human societies. How do these people not know that?


Yeah, I would have just told my kid not to pray if he didn't want to. Sure there is principal involved but there is often a price to pay for being "that guy". I don't know if I would or wouldn't be willing to pay that price but I wouldn't put my kid in the middle of it.
 
2014-04-27 04:02:08 PM  
Dear Unconstitutional,
 You've won the battle, now it's time to win the war. You should throw a party. Decorate with upside down crosses and flaming pentagrams. Serve sacrificial blood and hey have a cookout  and use the meat from the sacrifice. Finally you should take a crap right in the middle of the Mayor's front steps

 This plan will make you and yours the talk of the town
 
2014-04-27 04:06:09 PM  

cynicalminion: "dear prudence, i don't think i like you anymore... you used to watch me shave, now all you do is stare at the floor..."


Dude, you need a grip on your man to man relationship
 
2014-04-27 04:10:05 PM  
Find a big municipal project that the whole town can get behind like an upgrade to the arena or something, and then wiccans to crowd fund it.
 
2014-04-27 04:12:22 PM  

dfenstrate: The problem with most atheists isn't that they don't believe in God. It's that they'll believe in some other damn fool thing in God's place.

\Oh you're perfectly rational. That's cute. How did you come across your inhuman genes?


Yeah man, those silly atheists believing things like the moon causes the tides.  Everyone knows they're caused by God flushing the toilet.
 
2014-04-27 04:13:36 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: If they were smart (and this were a real situation), they should have said their child was Muslim, and pressed for a Muslim prayer to be added to the morning school ritual.

That would have fixed things just as well, and they wouldn't have come off like ZOMG DEY BANNDED PRAYER!


True story: when I was a kid they had either Catholic or Protestant religion classes.  I asked my mom which we were and she told me we were Muslim (we weren't).  They made me stay in the classroom and do arithmetic problems.  Mom was always being hilarious like that.
 
2014-04-27 04:13:52 PM  

theflatline: FizixJunkee: studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.

I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?

Despite what you might think, us Jews have been all over the south for a very long time.  And in Alabama since the mid 1700s.  The U of Alabama has Judaic studies program.  Hell, Dothan has a synagogue.

While Alabama is not perfect, it is not the seventh level of hell either.

You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.


Southerner here! There is a lady we treat as an aunt (we even put "Miss" in front of her name!) who is Jewish. Her family lived in a small Southern town and owned a lace shop. She was highly respected. My grandmother even thinks she might really be saved because she is such a good woman. They lived close to each other as her father was the mayor of the town.

My closest friends were Jewish in high school. I had more problems than the Jews because I am Mormon (my grandmother wasn't BTW, she came from one of those "old families"). Even when my mother was young, they rarely prayed in school and she is from a small town. One class that did would allow the one Jewish boy to say a Jewish prayer in front of the class on occasion.

The South isn't what it is like in the movies. We don't go lynchin' on the weekends, etc.

The "being a good American" line smells of bull.
 
2014-04-27 04:23:33 PM  
DRTFA (this is Fark after all)

What should you do?  Try not being anti-religious bigots in a religious town for starters
 
2014-04-27 04:28:49 PM  

Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.



dafuq
 
2014-04-27 04:32:40 PM  

Ontos: "ZOMG!  We publicly took a really unpopular position that we knew would piss off all the locals and now we're unpopular and the locals are pissed off!!  What can we do?  Who could have ever seen this coming?"


The nerve of some people!  Can you imagine?  Wanting the school to abide by the Constitution!!  Outrageous!!
 
2014-04-27 04:33:48 PM  
Try growing the fark upand obeying the law of the united farking states.
 
2014-04-27 04:34:40 PM  

Tyee: Did Prudence we moved to place and everyone here isn't exactly just like us, so we managed to force our way onto the masses and now we're surprised they didn't want we wanted. Should we have used our brains and considered our environment and our options before we shiat the bed we have to sleep in for the next few years?


No, they should shut up and just let Constitutional violations continue.  To insist that the school abide by the Constitution is un-American!
 
2014-04-27 04:41:08 PM  

lindalouwho: anniesmom: As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.

Funny AND smart!

/mobile, only way I can vote


:)  I've heard this for a long time. It's usually the first thing that pops into my head whenever anyone brings this subject up.
 It's short and to the point.
 
2014-04-27 04:43:41 PM  

KidneyStone: Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.

I'm an atheist and I'm sick of the more vocal ones.

I live in Georgia and I couldn't care less if people pray. Some organizations I'm in hold a prayer before meetings and other events and it doesn't bother me a bit. I stand with them and remain silent while still being respectful of their faith.

Which is all I ask of them to do concerning my utter lack of religious faith. And for the most part I get exactly that.

Once in a while I get the "don't worry, sometime you'll find the Truth" and I nod and smile. I understand they believe in the whole "being saved" deal and they're actually wishing me well.


Nope, too tolerant.

/goodonya
 
2014-04-27 04:45:29 PM  
Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.
 
2014-04-27 04:54:18 PM  

Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.


That's because some of the public preachers moved to Williamsburg. Bastards couldn't leave us students alone. And the rest of them went to Texas.
 
2014-04-27 04:55:12 PM  

Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.


And as we all know, strangers pretending to be nice to you is way more important than anything else.

/Lived in VT for a few years.  Would much rather deal with rude honest people than "nice" dishonest people.
//Also, if most of the people you dealt with in VT were rude to you, odds are it was because you were being a flaming douche-nozzle about something.  They're friendly enough people if you're being friendly, but they've got no patience for assholes.
 
2014-04-27 04:56:33 PM  

Thunderpipes: contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching.


My friends who grew up in the South tell a different story.  You'll forgive me if I believe them and not some LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! dude on FARK
 
2014-04-27 04:57:16 PM  

Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.


You don't really believe that no one who practices a religion is also a liberal, do you?
 
2014-04-27 04:59:36 PM  
Hey, remember Damon Fowler?

Damon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer...

...Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community. He's become the center of what he terms a "shiatstorm": he has been harassed, vilified, targeted with insults and name-calling and hateful remarks. He's been told t he's the Devil. He's been told, "Go cry to your mommy... oh, wait. You can't." (A reference to him being disowned by his parents.) He's been told that he's only doing this to get attention. A student's public prayer at a pre-graduation "Class Night" event was turned into an opportunity for the school and community to gang up on Fowler and publicly close ranks against him -- teachers as well as students. (Here's video). And people seen defending him have been targeted as well.
 
2014-04-27 04:59:48 PM  

lindalouwho: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

You don't really believe that no one who practices a religion is also a liberal, do you?


To be fair, socialism and Christianity are perfect fits. Perhaps Thunderboy is a douche conservative because he is a nihilist.
 
2014-04-27 04:59:52 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

And as we all know, strangers pretending to be nice to you is way more important than anything else.

/Lived in VT for a few years.  Would much rather deal with rude honest people than "nice" dishonest people.
//Also, if most of the people you dealt with in VT were rude to you, odds are it was because you were being a flaming douche-nozzle about something.  They're friendly enough people if you're being friendly, but they've got no patience for assholes.


Well, all that's important is that you've found an explanation (or explanations) which agree(s) with your preconceptions. So you have that going for you. Which is nice.
 
2014-04-27 05:01:30 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

And as we all know, strangers pretending to be nice to you is way more important than anything else.

/Lived in VT for a few years.  Would much rather deal with rude honest people than "nice" dishonest people.
//Also, if most of the people you dealt with in VT were rude to you, odds are it was because you were being a flaming douche-nozzle about something.  They're friendly enough people if you're being friendly, but they've got no patience for assholes.


No, it is because liberals, like most people on this board as an example, are intolerant, smarmy crybabies who like fat chicks.

Funniest part is, you say you hate "intolerant" conservatives, yet you hate everyone who does not think exactly like you, and bash them whenever you can. You even make stuff up to justify your hate. Double standards, how they work? You are liars, and simply bad people inside. Good thing is, your overlords in office are showing their colors, screwing things up so badly, the backlash might educate some people as to your real spirit.
 
2014-04-27 05:01:32 PM  

Repo Man: Hey, remember Damon Fowler?

Damon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer...

...Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community. He's become the center of what he terms a "shiatstorm": he has been harassed, vilified, targeted with insults and name-calling and hateful remarks. He's been told t he's the Devil. He's been told, "Go cry to your mommy... oh, wait. You can't." (A reference to him being disowned by his parents.) He's been told that he's only doing this to get attention. A student's public prayer at a pre-graduation "Class Night" event was turned into an opportunity for the school and community to gang up on Fowler and publicly close ranks against him -- teachers as well as students. (Here's video). And people seen defending him have been targeted as well.


Good
 
2014-04-27 05:02:23 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

And as we all know, strangers pretending to be nice to you is way more important than anything else.

/Lived in VT for a few years.  Would much rather deal with rude honest people than "nice" dishonest people.
//Also, if most of the people you dealt with in VT were rude to you, odds are it was because you were being a flaming douche-nozzle about something.  They're friendly enough people if you're being friendly, but they've got no patience for assholes.


How do you know what they truly think? Do you just not want to believe they're nice, or can you read minds?

Because I need someone for a market research project.
 
2014-04-27 05:02:51 PM  

Repo Man: Hey, remember Damon Fowler?

Damon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer...

...Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community. He's become the center of what he terms a "shiatstorm": he has been harassed, vilified, targeted with insults and name-calling and hateful remarks. He's been told t he's the Devil. He's been told, "Go cry to your mommy... oh, wait. You can't." (A reference to him being disowned by his parents.) He's been told that he's only doing this to get attention. A student's public prayer at a pre-graduation "Class Night" event was turned into an opportunity for the school and community to gang up on Fowler and publicly close ranks against him -- teachers as well as students. (Here's video). And people seen defending him have been targeted as well.


Yeah, but that's 20 times nicer than what people in VT would have said to him!
 
2014-04-27 05:05:23 PM  

rebelyell2006: lindalouwho: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

You don't really believe that no one who practices a religion is also a liberal, do you?

To be fair, socialism and Christianity are perfect fits. Perhaps Thunderboy is a douche conservative because he is a nihilist.


Communism, too. And everything else I personally like! It's a treasure trove of personal vindication.
 
2014-04-27 05:08:02 PM  

Wangiss: rebelyell2006: lindalouwho: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

You don't really believe that no one who practices a religion is also a liberal, do you?

To be fair, socialism and Christianity are perfect fits. Perhaps Thunderboy is a douche conservative because he is a nihilist.

Communism, too. And everything else I personally like! It's a treasure trove of personal vindication.


Ah, yes. Both Sides Are Bad So Vote Republican Baptist, amirite?
 
2014-04-27 05:11:22 PM  

rebelyell2006: Wangiss: rebelyell2006: lindalouwho: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

You don't really believe that no one who practices a religion is also a liberal, do you?

To be fair, socialism and Christianity are perfect fits. Perhaps Thunderboy is a douche conservative because he is a nihilist.

Communism, too. And everything else I personally like! It's a treasure trove of personal vindication.

Ah, yes. Both Sides Are Bad So Vote Republican Baptist, amirite?


Yes! Everything you say is right and I must be a Republican Baptist! This is my favorite game!

/Not a Protestant
//Not a Catholic, either!
///Not a Republican or even a conservative

Pre-judging is AMAAAAAZING!
 
2014-04-27 05:14:15 PM  

WTFDYW: Repo Man: Hey, remember Damon Fowler?

Damon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer...

...Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community. He's become the center of what he terms a "shiatstorm": he has been harassed, vilified, targeted with insults and name-calling and hateful remarks. He's been told t he's the Devil. He's been told, "Go cry to your mommy... oh, wait. You can't." (A reference to him being disowned by his parents.) He's been told that he's only doing this to get attention. A student's public prayer at a pre-graduation "Class Night" event was turned into an opportunity for the school and community to gang up on Fowler and publicly close ranks against him -- teachers as well as students. (Here's video). And people seen defending him have been targeted as well.

Good




Fark you.
 
2014-04-27 05:14:53 PM  

Thunderpipes: No, it is because liberals, like most people on this board as an example, are intolerant, smarmy crybabies who like fat chicks.


Thank you for that example proper, tolerant behavior.
 
2014-04-27 05:20:54 PM  

Cpl.D: GilRuiz1: It doesn't matter if you're in the Deep South, Borneo, Zimbabwe, or the furthest end of the world; this is just a fundamental rule of human societies. How do these people not know that?

Breaking the law is a core value?


Yep, if they're still praying in public school classrooms, then they do need to change. And someone has to get the ball rolling if that's ever going to happen.
 
2014-04-27 05:21:10 PM  

Wangiss: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

And as we all know, strangers pretending to be nice to you is way more important than anything else.

/Lived in VT for a few years.  Would much rather deal with rude honest people than "nice" dishonest people.
//Also, if most of the people you dealt with in VT were rude to you, odds are it was because you were being a flaming douche-nozzle about something.  They're friendly enough people if you're being friendly, but they've got no patience for assholes.

How do you know what they truly think? Do you just not want to believe they're nice, or can you read minds?

Because I need someone for a market research project.


While I have not spent much time in VA, I have lived in rural Texas, and spent some time in fairly rural (and conservative) areas of Georgia and Florida.  Nearly every person I made acquaintances with in those places had a habit of being very nice and polite to just about anyone and everyone to their faces, then biatching about a number of them behind their backs.  It was like listening to high school girls.  "OMG, Skylar is such a farking slut.  I heard that she was caught behind the auditorium giving Jimmy-Wayne a....Oh, Hi Skylar!  You look fabulous today!  Did you color your hair?"

Conservatives get their undies in a wad over the idea of the "sneering liberal" because they would rather be lied to nicely than deal with blunt honesty.  To a conservative how something is presented is exponentially more important than what is being presented.  You can tell a conservative that they're a subhuman piece of shiat that's not worthy to lick the bottom of your shoes, and if you do it nicely they'll think you're a good person.  Tell them that you think they're a good person, but be rude about it, and they'll hate you for it.  Conservatives have the emotional maturity of a Labrador retriever.
 
2014-04-27 05:25:37 PM  

Wangiss: rebelyell2006: Wangiss: rebelyell2006: lindalouwho: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

You don't really believe that no one who practices a religion is also a liberal, do you?

To be fair, socialism and Christianity are perfect fits. Perhaps Thunderboy is a douche conservative because he is a nihilist.

Communism, too. And everything else I personally like! It's a treasure trove of personal vindication.

Ah, yes. Both Sides Are Bad So Vote Republican Baptist, amirite?

Yes! Everything you say is right and I must be a Republican Baptist! This is my favorite game!

/Not a Protestant
//Not a Catholic, either!
///Not a Republican or even a conservative

Pre-judging is AMAAAAAZING!


You can be whatever you want to be online, Mormon, Scientologist, obese Inuit transvestite, etc. You're still an insufferable consev... err, insufferable libertarian.
 
2014-04-27 05:28:47 PM  

zamboni: Coco LaFemme: Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.

What exactly are you biatching about?  Andrew Johnson was the President during Reconstruction, so if anything, the lack of a boot up the ass of the Confederacy should come down on his head, not Lincoln's.

I think that was sarcasm. Lincoln was interested in reconciliation, which would've been a good thing. Johnson was interested in punishment, which led to decades and more of resentment. The assassination of Lincoln was one of the worst things that could've happened to the south.

(In case you didn't grasp the reference to Germany... which obviously you didn't.)

Homework assignment. Compare and contrast the German response to the terms after WWI vs. those after WWII. Which yielded a superior long term result?


Sarcasm isn't any fun if you have to explain it.  Jeez.
 
2014-04-27 05:30:13 PM  

Repo Man: WTFDYW: Repo Man: Hey, remember Damon Fowler?

Damon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer...

...Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community. He's become the center of what he terms a "shiatstorm": he has been harassed, vilified, targeted with insults and name-calling and hateful remarks. He's been told t he's the Devil. He's been told, "Go cry to your mommy... oh, wait. You can't." (A reference to him being disowned by his parents.) He's been told that he's only doing this to get attention. A student's public prayer at a pre-graduation "Class Night" event was turned into an opportunity for the school and community to gang up on Fowler and publicly close ranks against him -- teachers as well as students. (Here's video). And people seen defending him have been targeted as well.

Good

Fark you.


Dawwwwwww
 
2014-04-27 05:47:57 PM  
There is only one solution to The South: get the f*ck out and don't come back.


there is no other solution.  they are ignorant, broke, wrapped up with a dead man who they claim is coming back to life, and proud of it.  you can't fix that.
 
2014-04-27 05:48:16 PM  
If I'm getting flak about something like this based on blind faith, I usually find it incredibly easy to turn the guilt trip around by replying with blind patriotism.

I mean, Jesus is great and all, and obviously everyone should pray (in private, as the bible demands), but the constitution explicitly demands that the federal and state governments not endorse or attempt to establish a state religion.  You know who else endorsed a single religion as a compatible institution with the state?  The USSR (with the Orthodox faith).  Are you some kind of communist?  Why are you trying to undermine the greatest nation on earth?  You're just going to abandon the rights your fathers and grandfathers fought and died mired in blood-filled ditches to secure?  Just gonna let it all slip away down the drain like some sort of weak-willed pussy?

You traitorous bastard.  Your ancestors are ashamed of you, trying to shiat all over the words of the founders.  Do you spend your weekends waiting at the airport to spit on returning veterans, too?  Oh, you're one of those traitorous dipshiats that want to defile the graves of brave soldiers that gave their lives for their country just because they were Jewish or Muslim, don't you?  Your kind of anti-American crusade against the troops make me sick.  How could you be against the troops?  Jesus Christ, get away from me before some of your unclean cowardice rubs off!

My Grandfather didn't fly a bomber through clouds of deadly chaff, each mission with a survival rate below half, just to have some anti-american wuss wipe his ass with the constitution.  You should be ashamed.

// I made a parent cry with this schtick once.  I'd say it actually works about 80% of the time, since anyone stupid enough to genuinely believe prayer in schools is anything but an abomination is pretty well-conditioned to respond to this kind of goalpost-shifting harangue.

// Yeah, I may have spent a lot of time around (and learned rhetoric from, initially) a certain type of preacher when I was a kid.  It's amazing how well the style maps to other forms of pointless bullshiat.
 
2014-04-27 05:49:57 PM  

Lsherm: make me some tea: That was a dick move to press the issue after it had been resolved.

They haven't yet, but that's in keeping with the mentality of some atheists.  They aren't comfortable unless all attention is on them, all the time.  It's like they're mentally ill.


That's hilarious coming from someone who believes in made-up nonsense (religion).
 
2014-04-27 05:55:29 PM  

zamboni: JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.

Yeah, and those uppity dark people should've moved to someplace less hostile.

I can't believe these atheist kids wanted to stop the good religious folk from praying in their churches and their homes and pretty much anywhere else they wanted to. It's really unreasonable to set aside about 30 hours a week out of 168 to learn useful things. Children can only pray in their own heads. No, I say... God, and I mean the Judeo-Christian God, as if there were any other, doesn't believe you unless you pray all the time, out loud, and proud. You hear me! All.The.Time!!!

/Yeah, I know.


I'm always bemused by 'pray hard' requests. Your god requires the sincerest of begging? Or better yet -- 'keep praying!' What? You think he forgot already? Omnipotent, my ass.
 
2014-04-27 05:58:05 PM  

rebelyell2006: Wangiss: rebelyell2006: Wangiss: rebelyell2006: lindalouwho: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

You don't really believe that no one who practices a religion is also a liberal, do you?

To be fair, socialism and Christianity are perfect fits. Perhaps Thunderboy is a douche conservative because he is a nihilist.

Communism, too. And everything else I personally like! It's a treasure trove of personal vindication.

Ah, yes. Both Sides Are Bad So Vote Republican Baptist, amirite?

Yes! Everything you say is right and I must be a Republican Baptist! This is my favorite game!

/Not a Protestant
//Not a Catholic, either!
///Not a Republican or even a conservative

Pre-judging is AMAAAAAZING!

You can be whatever you want to be online, Mormon, Scientologist, obese Inuit transvestite, etc. You're still an insufferable consev... err, insufferable libertarian.


I'm not a libertarian, either. What are you trying to accomplish by guessing, anyway? Do people need to fit into specific approved categories for you?
 
2014-04-27 06:02:28 PM  

Fissile: Sarcasm isn't any fun if you have to explain it. Jeez.


Well... somtimes ya gotta... elsewise, they ain't gonna learn nuthin'.

/spelling and grammar errors intentional
 
2014-04-27 06:03:20 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Wangiss: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Thunderpipes: Hahaha, stuck up biatch saying they are wrong for not "being tolerant of your lack of religion", yet she bashes them because of their religion. This is why liberals suck. Two standards for everything.

Just moved from VT to a rural VA town. People say prayers here at town meetings and school function. I think religion is dumb. But you know what? People here are 20 times as nice as they are in stuck up liberal VT. And contrary to what the moron Farkers say, they don't walk around the streets recruiting and preaching. Just better people than liberals.

And as we all know, strangers pretending to be nice to you is way more important than anything else.

/Lived in VT for a few years.  Would much rather deal with rude honest people than "nice" dishonest people.
//Also, if most of the people you dealt with in VT were rude to you, odds are it was because you were being a flaming douche-nozzle about something.  They're friendly enough people if you're being friendly, but they've got no patience for assholes.

How do you know what they truly think? Do you just not want to believe they're nice, or can you read minds?

Because I need someone for a market research project.

While I have not spent much time in VA, I have lived in rural Texas, and spent some time in fairly rural (and conservative) areas of Georgia and Florida.  Nearly every person I made acquaintances with in those places had a habit of being very nice and polite to just about anyone and everyone to their faces, then biatching about a number of them behind their backs.  It was like listening to high school girls.  "OMG, Skylar is such a farking slut.  I heard that she was caught behind the auditorium giving Jimmy-Wayne a....Oh, Hi Skylar!  You look fabulous today!  Did you color your hair?"

Conservatives get their undies in a wad over the idea of the "sneering liberal" because they would rather be lied to nicely than deal with blunt honesty.  To a conservative how something is presented is exponentially more important than what is being presented.  You can tell a conservative that they're a subhuman piece of shiat that's not worthy to lick the bottom of your shoes, and if you do it nicely they'll think you're a good person.  Tell them that you think they're a good person, but be rude about it, and they'll hate you for it.  Conservatives have the emotional maturity of a Labrador retriever.


No, that's a trait of shallow people and they live on every side of every fence. It wouldn't take but a moment to recall that behavior from individuals you don't like who happen to be in some group you do like. It's just easier to see if someone is already a foe in some sense or another. I've heard conservatives say this about liberals, too, and they were no less wrong to do so m
 
2014-04-27 06:07:15 PM  

zamboni: JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.

Yeah, and those uppity dark people should've moved to someplace less hostile.

I can't believe these atheist kids wanted to stop the good religious folk from praying in their churches and their homes and pretty much anywhere else they wanted to. It's really unreasonable to set aside about 30 hours a week out of 168 to learn useful things. Children can only pray in their own heads. No, I say... God, and I mean the Judeo-Christian God God of Abraham, as if there were any other, doesn't believe you unless you pray all the time, out loud, and proud. You hear me! All.The.Time!!!

/Yeah, I know.


Pedantic fix, but necessary. Muslims also worship Elohim; the Arabic cognate being Allah.
 
2014-04-27 06:13:46 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rccD1EWenio

Hopefully this plays as they move on to the next southern town they're not wanted in.
 
2014-04-27 06:16:38 PM  

gaslight: Find a big municipal project that the whole town can get behind like an upgrade to the arena or something, and then wiccans to crowd fund it.


www.visitscotland.com
I like where this is going...
 
2014-04-27 06:18:32 PM  

Wangiss: No, that's a trait of shallow people and they live on every side of every fence. It wouldn't take but a moment to recall that behavior from individuals you don't like who happen to be in some group you do like. It's just easier to see if someone is already a foe in some sense or another. I've heard conservatives say this about liberals, too, and they were no less wrong to do so m


Except that if you look at what conservatives complain about with liberals, the majority of it boils down to "they're not nice!"  "Sneering", "smug", "elitist", biatching about how a liberal is not being "tolerant" if they're rude.  Even when a liberal is saying something they agree with, conservatives have a pissy fit about how the liberals are saying it.  Conservatives really are like dogs...the tone of what's being said is what they're paying attention to, not the content.  Spend some time reading comments on Brietbart, American Thinker, Conservapedia, or other conservative sites and you'll see that almost every time they biatch about something a liberal has said, there will be some mention of how it was said.  It's rarely, "liberal X said this and I don't agree with that" it's "sneering elitist liberal X haughtily said this while looking down from their ivory tower."

On the other hand, when liberals biatch about things that conservatives say, they're biatching about the content.  No liberals give a shiat how polite or rude Cliven Bundy was when he was telling everyone what he knew about "The Negro", or whether or not Todd Aiken was being nice in the way he talked about rape.  It's an easily observable phenomenon in the realm of political discussion, so I'm not sure why you're bothering to argue the point.
 
2014-04-27 06:27:16 PM  
Oh, okay. They're sub-human. Cool. Nice to know you're not everything they accuse you of.
 
2014-04-27 06:27:22 PM  

FizixJunkee: Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?


My heart goes out to her.  I'm in Birmingham, but have developed a nice "blue bubble" of non-derp friends.  If your friend is anywhere near B-ham, tell your friend to look up the clubs on meetup.com, she'll find like-minded folks.
 
2014-04-27 06:27:50 PM  
Fake article is fake. They do not allow you to pray in schools in the south. Not in Wewahitchka, Florida. Not in Bear Creek, Alabama. Not in Crenshaw, Mississippi. Not in Eatonton, Georgia. Nowhere. The minute that somebody does, there is always somebody doing a Sam Kenison routine "ooooh, ooooh, oooooh" and calling the goddamned national news media, who immediately send some reporter down there to stir up some outrage. You have all seen these stories, so why would you believe this nonsense?

Some sh*tbird Slate writer dissed the south with a fake story and the Fark anti-south battalion is out in full force about how stupid the southerners are, and how terrible it is down here.

/Ain't stupid enough to fall for an obvious fake story like y'all though.
 
2014-04-27 06:29:09 PM  
"No, when I said black people are like dogs, I didn't mean..."

Are you entirely sure you're not just bigoted?
 
2014-04-27 06:29:48 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Wangiss: No, that's a trait of shallow people and they live on every side of every fence. It wouldn't take but a moment to recall that behavior from individuals you don't like who happen to be in some group you do like. It's just easier to see if someone is already a foe in some sense or another. I've heard conservatives say this about liberals, too, and they were no less wrong to do so m

Except that if you look at what conservatives complain about with liberals, the majority of it boils down to "they're not nice!"  "Sneering", "smug", "elitist", biatching about how a liberal is not being "tolerant" if they're rude.  Even when a liberal is saying something they agree with, conservatives have a pissy fit about how the liberals are saying it.  Conservatives really are like dogs...the tone of what's being said is what they're paying attention to, not the content.  Spend some time reading comments on Brietbart, American Thinker, Conservapedia, or other conservative sites and you'll see that almost every time they biatch about something a liberal has said, there will be some mention of how it was said.  It's rarely, "liberal X said this and I don't agree with that" it's "sneering elitist liberal X haughtily said this while looking down from their ivory tower."

On the other hand, when liberals biatch about things that conservatives say, they're biatching about the content.  No liberals give a shiat how polite or rude Cliven Bundy was when he was telling everyone what he knew about "The Negro", or whether or not Todd Aiken was being nice in the way he talked about rape.  It's an easily observable phenomenon in the realm of political discussion, so I'm not sure why you're bothering to argue the point.


TLDR:
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Fixed for accuracy
 
2014-04-27 06:35:11 PM  

Wangiss: Oh, okay. They're sub-human. Cool. Nice to know you're not everything they accuse you of.


Of course I'm everything they accuse me of...rude, irreverent, disrespectful of things and people they think I should worship.  The thing is, I don't pretend otherwise.  I don't lie about who and what I am and then act like that makes me morally superior.  Honesty is the moral choice, not politeness.

Wangiss: "No, when I said black people are like dogs, I didn't mean..."

Are you entirely sure you're not just bigoted?


Funny you would make the jump to race when no one has mentioned race previously in this thread.  Unless you think "conservative" is a race?
 
2014-04-27 06:35:35 PM  
Ask yourself, "How broad is my brush? If the answer is" 100,000,000 people" you may be painting too broadly.
 
2014-04-27 06:37:45 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Wangiss: Oh, okay. They're sub-human. Cool. Nice to know you're not everything they accuse you of.

Of course I'm everything they accuse me of...rude, irreverent, disrespectful of things and people they think I should worship.  The thing is, I don't pretend otherwise.  I don't lie about who and what I am and then act like that makes me morally superior.  Honesty is the moral choice, not politeness.

Wangiss: "No, when I said black people are like dogs, I didn't mean..."

Are you entirely sure you're not just bigoted?

Funny you would make the jump to race when no one has mentioned race previously in this thread.  Unless you think "conservative" is a race?


Bigotry isn't racism. Racism is just one form of Bigotry. It would seem you're too indoctrinated for this conversation. I'm going back to my house chores. Good evening.
 
2014-04-27 06:39:02 PM  

varmitydog: Fake article is fake. They do not allow you to pray in schools in the south. Not in Wewahitchka, Florida. Not in Bear Creek, Alabama. Not in Crenshaw, Mississippi. Not in Eatonton, Georgia. Nowhere. The minute that somebody does, there is always somebody doing a Sam Kenison routine "ooooh, ooooh, oooooh" and calling the goddamned national news media, who immediately send some reporter down there to stir up some outrage. You have all seen these stories, so why would you believe this nonsense?

Some sh*tbird Slate writer dissed the south with a fake story and the Fark anti-south battalion is out in full force about how stupid the southerners are, and how terrible it is down here.

/Ain't stupid enough to fall for an obvious fake story like y'all though.


I am 45 and did my last year of high school a at public school in Ocala, Florida, and not a prayer was said and I warn't the only Jew in these here parts.
 
2014-04-27 06:39:44 PM  

Thunderpipes: No, it is because liberals, like most people on this board as an example, are intolerant, smarmy crybabies who like fat chicks.


 Fat chicks are hot.  I didn't realize that was liberal/conservative thing.  But it fits.  I'll take it.
 
2014-04-27 06:40:05 PM  

Wangiss: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Wangiss: Oh, okay. They're sub-human. Cool. Nice to know you're not everything they accuse you of.

Of course I'm everything they accuse me of...rude, irreverent, disrespectful of things and people they think I should worship.  The thing is, I don't pretend otherwise.  I don't lie about who and what I am and then act like that makes me morally superior.  Honesty is the moral choice, not politeness.

Wangiss: "No, when I said black people are like dogs, I didn't mean..."

Are you entirely sure you're not just bigoted?

Funny you would make the jump to race when no one has mentioned race previously in this thread.  Unless you think "conservative" is a race?

Bigotry isn't racism. Racism is just one form of Bigotry. It would seem you're too indoctrinated for this conversation. I'm going back to my house chores. Good evening.


You are the first person in this entire thread to mention race.  Or did you mean something else by "black people"?
 
2014-04-27 06:44:55 PM  

rebelyell2006: Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.

Indeed. Shut up and join the lynch mob like all of the other white people. Who cares if it is technically illegal, our community lynches blacks and you can love it or get the hell out.


^^^ Look everyone, an idiot!
 
2014-04-27 06:48:15 PM  

Ontos: rebelyell2006: Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.

Indeed. Shut up and join the lynch mob like all of the other white people. Who cares if it is technically illegal, our community lynches blacks and you can love it or get the hell out.

^^^ Look everyone, an idiot!


What makes them an idiot, the hyperbole or the fact that they're completely right about how stupid it is do suggest that allowing illegal activity to continue just to "fit in"is probably not a good idea?
 
2014-04-27 06:50:15 PM  

Repo Man: Hey, remember Damon Fowler?

Damon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer...

...Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community. He's become the center of what he terms a "shiatstorm": he has been harassed, vilified, targeted with insults and name-calling and hateful remarks. He's been told t he's the Devil. He's been told, "Go cry to your mommy... oh, wait. You can't." (A reference to him being disowned by his parents.) He's been told that he's only doing this to get attention. A student's public prayer at a pre-graduation "Class Night" event was turned into an opportunity for the school and community to gang up on Fowler and publicly close ranks against him -- teachers as well as students. (Here's video). And people seen defending him have been targeted as well.


So... An attention whore got attention and is pissed about it now.  Huh.
 
2014-04-27 06:51:55 PM  

Ontos: rebelyell2006: Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.

Indeed. Shut up and join the lynch mob like all of the other white people. Who cares if it is technically illegal, our community lynches blacks and you can love it or get the hell out.

^^^ Look everyone, an idiot!


gameinformer.com
 
2014-04-27 06:52:48 PM  

Ontos: An attention whore got attention and is pissed about it now


Or an American who is patriotic complained about the school acting unconstitutionally

Same thing, I 'spose
 
2014-04-27 06:58:43 PM  

Ontos: Repo Man: Hey, remember Damon Fowler?

Damon Fowler, an atheist student at Bastrop High School in Louisiana, was about to graduate. His public school was planning to have a prayer as part of the graduation ceremony: as they traditionally did, as so many public schools around the country do every year. But Fowler -- knowing that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools is unconstitutional and legally forbidden -- contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the prayer, and would be contacting the ACLU if it happened. The school -- at first, anyway -- agreed, and canceled the prayer...

...Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community. He's become the center of what he terms a "shiatstorm": he has been harassed, vilified, targeted with insults and name-calling and hateful remarks. He's been told t he's the Devil. He's been told, "Go cry to your mommy... oh, wait. You can't." (A reference to him being disowned by his parents.) He's been told that he's only doing this to get attention. A student's public prayer at a pre-graduation "Class Night" event was turned into an opportunity for the school and community to gang up on Fowler and publicly close ranks against him -- teachers as well as students. (Here's video). And people seen defending him have been targeted as well.

So... An attention whore got attention and is pissed about it now.  Huh.




Please DIAF.
 
2014-04-27 07:07:19 PM  
F*ck these morons. You just raised the collective IQ of your community by a few points, and they should be grateful.
 
2014-04-27 07:48:26 PM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.


That. Do research before moving, not move and expect everyone to adapt.

Also, the Paddington bear story (last question on page two) tugged at the heartstrings. I would've stolen the bear back when no one was looking, like that biatch cousin did in the first place. >:(
 
2014-04-27 07:49:18 PM  

Coco LaFemme: You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.


So when is compromising with stupid ever acceptable? And this is what I mean:
Worshipping your deity as you see fit without social stigma is not stupid.
Insisting that there be a social stigma attached because you pray to another deity or none at all is stupid.

The problem here is that this person is insisting that there not be prayers conducted by city/county (government) employees in a public school with a captive audience, and the local yokels are choosing to ostracize them for dragging them kicking and screaming into the second half of the twentieth century.

Don't these people realize that there are other faiths besides theirs? How would they react if the state approved their activities (prayer), but insisted that all faiths be represented in prayer? Would they have issue with the Muslim call to prayer and dress codes, or observing the Jewish Shabbat on Friday afternoon, or maybe the lunchtime fish sandwiches for Catholics at the end of the week?

These folks down yonder need to wake up and realize they live on a planet with 7 billion other people and a nation with 300+ million other citizens, and not all them ascribe to their particular flavor of god. This is precisely why government institutions - which must serve ALL those people equally - including public schools, usually stay away from officially promoting any religion or religious activities. There's even a little something about this issue in the US Constitution... the people who wrote that document knew way back then that mixing government and religion was a bad idea for both.
 
2014-04-27 07:59:27 PM  
rewind2846: ...or maybe the lunchtime fish sandwiches for Catholics at the end of the week?

My public elementary school always served fish to everyone on Fridays.

Admittedly, that was in the late 70s, early 80s...
 
2014-04-27 08:06:58 PM  
How dare these people stand up for the Constitution? Everyone knows an elementary school teacher outranks the Bill of Rights! That's why Mrs Turner in third grade quartered troops in my home.
 
2014-04-27 08:13:12 PM  

flucto: The Prudie stuff has always been fake, but wow.


I knew someone was going to say this before I even clicked into the thread. Why do so many farkers like to dismiss all Prudie submissions as fake? No doubt there's a few fake submissions every here and there, but most sound plausible. You're like kids shouting "fake" at real videos on youtube.
 
2014-04-27 08:18:29 PM  

theflatline: jst3p: theflatline: It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.

I lived in rural Florida. It isn't as if the stereotype is completely undeserved.

But you can go to any rural area in any state, and find rednecks and ignorance.


Absolutely true, even where I am now (California), the most libby lib liberalest of liberal states. Those rednecks are part of how Prop 8 got passed.

Thing is that in some states, like the one I was born in (North Carolina, Mecklenburg county), the rednecks aren't just in the rural areas. They're much easier to find, and prop up the stereotype nicely.
 
2014-04-27 08:21:38 PM  
Should have pushed for termination of the teacher, if the teacher existed that is.
 
2014-04-27 08:22:05 PM  
Its like walking your dog.  You'll never be able to explain to a dog why it can't chase that squirrel off into the woods, so there's just a rule, dog always stays next to me.  That concept is simple enough for the dog to understand.  The people who are trying to lead prayers in school are incapable of understanding why it is inappropriate.  The arguments have been made, ad nauseam, and if they're still putting prayer in schools at this point they aren't going to be convinced otherwise.

So I guess I agree with the advice.  If they step outside the law, make a complaint.  If they follow the law, even if it is only due to the complaints, nothing is gained by antagonizing them over it.  They will never understand why they are wrong anymore than your dog will understand why it can't chase the squirrel, but as long as they go through the correct motions when required it doesn't matter what they think.
 
2014-04-27 08:44:02 PM  
I find it difficult to believe there is forced prayer in a public school in the US.
 
2014-04-27 08:56:30 PM  

Thunderpipes: No, it is because liberals, like most people on this board as an example, are intolerant, smarmy crybabies who like fat chicks.


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Funniest part is, you say you hate "intolerant" conservatives, yet you hate everyone who does not think exactly like you, and bash them whenever you can.

Yeah.  Example:  "intolerant, smarmy crybabies who like fat chicks"...oh, wait.  That was some wingnut.

You wingnuts are always whining about Them Liberals who think they're so much smarter than you.  Then you go off and say something stupid.

You even make stuff up to justify your hate.


www.collapsingintoconsciousness.com
 
2014-04-27 08:58:09 PM  
Just the south, or the deep south???

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2014-04-27 09:39:19 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.


I say this with all kindness. Fark you assholes.
 
2014-04-27 09:52:53 PM  

varmitydog: Fake article is fake. They do not allow you to pray in schools in the south. Not in Wewahitchka, Florida. Not in Bear Creek, Alabama. Not in Crenshaw, Mississippi. Not in Eatonton, Georgia. Nowhere. The minute that somebody does, there is always somebody doing a Sam Kenison routine "ooooh, ooooh, oooooh" and calling the goddamned national news media, who immediately send some reporter down there to stir up some outrage. You have all seen these stories, so why would you believe this nonsense?

Some sh*tbird Slate writer dissed the south with a fake story and the Fark anti-south battalion is out in full force about how stupid the southerners are, and how terrible it is down here.

/Ain't stupid enough to fall for an obvious fake story like y'all though.


In high school, we had a principal who would come into classes and read bible stories.
 
2014-04-27 09:53:22 PM  
2nd letter: "Perhaps the family in the first letter wishes they were the ones residing among godless communists."

Heh. Prudence hates them, too.
 
2014-04-27 09:58:25 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: varmitydog: Fake article is fake. They do not allow you to pray in schools in the south. Not in Wewahitchka, Florida. Not in Bear Creek, Alabama. Not in Crenshaw, Mississippi. Not in Eatonton, Georgia. Nowhere. The minute that somebody does, there is always somebody doing a Sam Kenison routine "ooooh, ooooh, oooooh" and calling the goddamned national news media, who immediately send some reporter down there to stir up some outrage. You have all seen these stories, so why would you believe this nonsense?

Some sh*tbird Slate writer dissed the south with a fake story and the Fark anti-south battalion is out in full force about how stupid the southerners are, and how terrible it is down here.

/Ain't stupid enough to fall for an obvious fake story like y'all though.

In high school, we had a principal who would come into classes and read bible stories.


In elementary school we couldn't dress up for Halloween because our principal thought it was a satanic holiday.

My civics teacher in high school also claimed that we were allies with Israel because you don't fark with god.

I'm sure I'll remember more as I think, but I'd rather mot remember grade school.
 
2014-04-27 10:23:09 PM  
These people need to just let it go. They did the right thing: teacher-led prayer is illegal in public school and the principal responded appropriately by ensuring it was stopped. Now its over and they need to drop it and move on. If someone confronts them about it, the discussion needn't center on their religious beliefs or lack thereof. The answer is simply that the teacher-led prayer was illegal. They don't need to respond in any other way or discuss their beliefs or anyone else's.
 
2014-04-27 10:28:08 PM  
Someone should make all the Muslims read this thread.
Especially before they move to rural Ameruca and try to instill prayer call in schools.
For boys, of course.
because females are unclean, and shouldn't have education.

or.. is that the Republicans?
 
2014-04-27 10:33:12 PM  

vudukungfu: Someone should make all the Muslims read this thread.
Especially before they move to rural Ameruca and try to instill prayer call in schools.
For boys, of course.
because females are unclean, and shouldn't have education.

or.. is that the Republicans?


The Republicans are unclean and shouldn't have education?
 
2014-04-27 10:36:37 PM  

FuzedBox: flucto: The Prudie stuff has always been fake, but wow.

I knew someone was going to say this before I even clicked into the thread. Why do so many farkers like to dismiss all Prudie submissions as fake? No doubt there's a few fake submissions every here and there, but most sound plausible. You're like kids shouting "fake" at real videos on youtube.


As a notorious TFer mentioned above, Prudie is the Major Leagues of Anon DIT. When you get her to bite you're BS-ing with the all-stars. If that doesn't make sense  to you drop $5 and hang out in TFD for a while. Or save your sanity and just trust me.
 
2014-04-27 10:42:39 PM  

iron de havilland: zamboni: JoieD'Zen: Steve Zodiac: Not all, but most deeply religious people want to live with the social norms and accepted attitudes of the 1800's. And on the other side of the coin, the people of that community would say that the non-religious couples way of life was being forced upon them. Really the only answer for this couple is to move someplace less hostile.

Yep.

Yeah, and those uppity dark people should've moved to someplace less hostile.

I can't believe these atheist kids wanted to stop the good religious folk from praying in their churches and their homes and pretty much anywhere else they wanted to. It's really unreasonable to set aside about 30 hours a week out of 168 to learn useful things. Children can only pray in their own heads. No, I say... God, and I mean the Judeo-Christian God God of Abraham, as if there were any other, doesn't believe you unless you pray all the time, out loud, and proud. You hear me! All.The.Time!!!

/Yeah, I know.

Pedantic fix, but necessary. Muslims also worship Elohim; the Arabic cognate being Allah.


Well yes, obviously. Thank you for your help... Mr. Helper, but I was channeling a Christian. A century ago, had I thrown in the "Judeo" part, I might have been chased out of town. Perhaps in a few centuries will be discussing the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Hindu-Buddhist-Taoist God once they have to start circling the wagons.
 
2014-04-27 10:49:47 PM  

Frederick: I find it difficult to believe there is forced prayer in a public school in the US.


Well, I'm not at all surprised since, obviously, you worship Satan.
 
2014-04-27 10:54:14 PM  

zamboni: obviously, you worship Satan.


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2014-04-27 11:36:16 PM  
Karma is how the weak justify their inaction.
 
2014-04-28 12:18:59 AM  

Linux_Yes: There is only one solution to The South: get the f*ck out and don't come back.


there is no other solution.  they are ignorant, broke, wrapped up with a dead man who they claim is coming back to life, and proud of it.  you can't fix that.


Just the South, eh?
www-personal.umich.edu
 
2014-04-28 02:30:33 AM  
What does the bible say about the issue?

Matthew 6:6 - "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

I love to use Their  words to prove My point...
 
2014-04-28 04:28:53 AM  

Fissile: I hate Abe Lincoln.  I hate him because in the spirit of reconciliation  he didn't bring the Northern heel down on these freaks the way the allies did to the Germans after the war.


www.quickmeme.com
William T. Sherman wasn't enough?
 
2014-04-28 05:10:13 AM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.  He keeps kosher and goes to synagogue on most high holy days, but aside from that, he's not too strict about it.  So we know a thing or two about being out of step with the rest of the population as far as religion goes.  Neither of us insist that everyone else behave in a way we find appropriate.  You live in a community, you have to exist within the community, and sometimes that means compromise.  If you want to take a stand though, be prepared to accept the consequences for that, especially if it comes in the form of everyone not liking you.


Compromise? They were having school-led prayers in a public school. That's illegal and it discriminates not just against atheists but any other religion or even any different denomination of Christianity. It's an authority figure endorsing one specific faith in front of children who are supposed to look to them for guidance.

That's straight up indoctrination, and while it may be common, it certainly isn't right. The community isn't allowed to violate the constitution just because most of them agree on it.
 
2014-04-28 09:18:59 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Our child reported the praying stopped immediately with no explanation. My husband and I think the teacher should have told the students why she shouldn't have led them in prayer. He wants to press this issue, while I feel as long as we let our child know what's right and wrong, we should let this go and accept this is part of where we live. Our child will be in this school for several more years. We did tell a few acquaintances about this and they said "people like us" were ruining the community of faith. Sometimes, I feel like I'm being a coward not standing up for religious tolerance.


"Wait wait wait, you stopped us from breaking the law?  You asshole!"
 
2014-04-28 09:26:42 AM  

ennuie: The community isn't allowed to violate the constitution just because most of them agree on it.


The Constitution is HUGE in these places as long as its basically just the 2nd Amendment.  When you start actually applying the damn thing they're all up-in-arms because they have absolutely no useful knowledge on the subject.
 
2014-04-28 09:40:34 AM  
Also the woman whose Husband moved them to China is such a snot.  "I don't work, and he's advanced his career at an unheard of pace, but I don't like it here.  I'm thinking of fleeing the country with our children."

fark you, you're absolutely awful.  You're living in one of the biggest most interesting cities in the world and your husband is a rockstar at what he does in a still relatively difficult economy.  Your kids are getting a lot of really cool experiences you probably wouldn't otherwise have, and he's probably on track to making sure their future is secure.

Also her advice is such crap.  "He's established himself now he can come home."  He's established himself as the one in charge of basically Chinese Operations in his company.  I'm sure he CAN come home, but its going to be a huge step down for him and he'll probably have to wait a long-ass-time to have that kind of opportunity again.  If he ever does.
 
2014-04-28 10:34:38 AM  
Yeah, it's hard dealing with neanderthal idiots.
 
2014-04-28 10:50:38 AM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in the South too, though not the deep South.  I'm an atheist, he's a Jew.  Well, he's mostly Jewish.

So, would you say he is Jew-ish?
 
2014-04-28 10:55:00 AM  
I have less confidence this Prudence is real than the one where a guy was conflicted because his wife wanted him to sleep with her three hot sisters.
 
2014-04-28 02:51:20 PM  

CivicMindedFive: I have less confidence this Prudence is real than the one where a guy was conflicted because his wife wanted him to sleep with her three hot sisters.



That's fine, but what happened to Damon Fowler was far worse, and is documented fact. A high school kid was disowned and thrown out of the house by his parents because he challenged the illegal prayer planned for his high school graduation ceremony. He had to move in with his sister in Texas, but that was probably a good thing, because Bastrop Louisiana sounds like the sort of place that it's best to escape from at the first possible opportunity.
 
2014-04-28 03:11:40 PM  

acohn: Linux_Yes: There is only one solution to The South: get the f*ck out and don't come back.


there is no other solution.  they are ignorant, broke, wrapped up with a dead man who they claim is coming back to life, and proud of it.  you can't fix that.

Just the South, eh?
[www-personal.umich.edu image 512x341]



well, ok.  but the South is the Mecca of Stupid in 'murica.  without the bible thumpin' South to sustain the GOP (vote wise) the GOP would go away.  i should have been more precise.
 
2014-04-28 03:30:03 PM  

Momzilla59: What does the bible say about the issue?

Matthew 6:6 - "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

I love to use Their  words to prove My point...


I know, right? Especially when you forgive them for they know not what they do. They HATE that.
 
2014-04-28 05:55:05 PM  
Where the fark do these people supposedly live? BFE? I grew up in the literal heart of Dixie and we never had a teacher lead the class in prayer. After 9/11 they instituted a "moment of silence" where people were obviously supposed to pray, but no one ever stood in front of the class and recited a Bible verse.
 
2014-04-28 08:41:21 PM  

theflatline: FizixJunkee: studebaker hoch: Leave hicksville and flee for civilization.

I have a Jewish friend, born and raised in Los Angeles, whose degree in sociology (she graduated in 2005) left her with limited job opportunities, so she accepted a job in rural Alabama.

Can you imagine the existence of a Jew from L.A. living in Alabama?

Despite what you might think, us Jews have been all over the south for a very long time.  And in Alabama since the mid 1700s.  The U of Alabama has Judaic studies program.  Hell, Dothan has a synagogue.

While Alabama is not perfect, it is not the seventh level of hell either.

You live in Atlanta which has a large Jewish population as well as my hometown New Orleans.

It always amazes me how people not from the south think that is is  populated by toothless crackers.


I'm from Alabama. I would not go back if you doubled or tripled my salary. The Baptists prayed at us every morning in high school. It was bullshiat then, and I'm sure it's worse now. If you aren't Baptist outside of Birmingham, you are well and truly farked.
 
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