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(AZ Family)   On-duty cops in a squad car caught playing cards and smoking cigars by a reporter who will soon be found mysteriously dead in a ditch with 10 baggies of cocaine stuffed down his throat and a dozen kiddie porn pictures in his pockets   (azfamily.com) divider line 119
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2014-04-27 03:17:18 AM  
Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?
 
2014-04-27 03:34:19 AM  
So they'll have plenty of time to play cards during their paid vacations.


AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?


Did you quit smoking or switch coffee brands recently? You seem an order of magnitude grumpier than usual.
 
2014-04-27 03:44:21 AM  
Oh, big deal. Like none of us has screwed around on a slow day....

(RTFA... several times a week... for a year... a few hours every time...)

Um.

Nevermind.
 
2014-04-27 04:03:32 AM  

fusillade762: So they'll have plenty of time to play cards during their paid vacations


Vacations are extra fun when you have to worry about whether you'll have a job to come back to, huh?

Cops are placed on paid leave because they haven't yet been charged with any violations, either criminal or internal. Being on paid leave means the agency still has control over you and can order you in at any time, like to be questioned by internal affairs. It's a way to temporarily get the cop off the street and still be able to control him. Once charges are filed, either internal charges or criminal charges, the leave will become non-paid.
 
2014-04-27 04:19:30 AM  
Just like any other profession, some police are dedicated, hard working professionals, and others arent.

If you signed up to be a LEO and you're happy making $40,000 a year to sit in your vehicle and play cards, you suck.
 
2014-04-27 04:21:12 AM  

CruiserTwelve: fusillade762: So they'll have plenty of time to play cards during their paid vacations

Vacations are extra fun when you have to worry about whether you'll have a job to come back to, huh?

Cops are placed on paid leave because they haven't yet been charged with any violations, either criminal or internal. Being on paid leave means the agency still has control over you and can order you in at any time, like to be questioned by internal affairs. It's a way to temporarily get the cop off the street and still be able to control him. Once charges are filed, either internal charges or criminal charges, the leave will become non-paid.


Alright.  Thanks for the 411.

Would you care to weigh in on the article?  Or maybe shed some inside light on the practices of cops on patrol during slow times?  I'd be interested....
 
2014-04-27 04:29:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?


My employer gives consent.  My employer is not funded with tax dollars.
I'm particular sensitive to hypocrisy (although it took me 4 tries to spell it *facepalm*), and think this criticism doesnt qualify as hypocrisy.  If it were city road construction crews sloughing off, I'd feel differently about it being hypocritical.
 
2014-04-27 04:36:03 AM  

Frederick: . If it were city road construction crews sloughing off, I'd feel differently about it being hypocritical.


The only sloughing I can think of humans doing is during menstruation... am I missing something?
 
2014-04-27 04:37:22 AM  

Frederick: Would you care to weigh in on the article? Or maybe shed some inside light on the practices of cops on patrol during slow times? I'd be interested....


I used to see cops sleep or read a book during slow midnight shifts, but most cop cars have GPS so you can't get away with sitting in one place for very long any more. I don't know what the guys in the article were doing, but how did they get to sit in one place for three hours? In a city like Phoenix, you'd think they'd never go that long without a call.

I've head cops rationalize such behavior by pointing out that firefighters get to sleep on company time when they're not actively doing something. Not sure if I agree with that or not.
 
2014-04-27 04:45:11 AM  
Therevis nothing wrong with taking a break- but the cops that I know are cops becausevthey want to be cops- they love their jobs and they would rather be busy and be doing shiate than sit in their car. Any cop that is happy to sit in their car and play cards and collect a paycheck is not in the right profession.
 
2014-04-27 04:46:22 AM  

staplermofo: Frederick: . If it were city road construction crews sloughing off, I'd feel differently about it being hypocritical.

The only sloughing I can think of humans doing is during menstruation... am I missing something?


Dead skin cells?
 
2014-04-27 04:52:41 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I used to see cops sleep or read a book during slow midnight shifts, but most cop cars have GPS so you can't get away with sitting in one place for very long any more. I don't know what the guys in the article were doing, but how did they get to sit in one place for three hours? In a city like Phoenix, you'd think they'd never go that long without a call.


I would guess that when they created the administration for the Downtown Operations Unit, dedicated to crowd and traffic control, they did so shoddily. They probably don't report to the same administration as regular police, nor answer criminal calls.

They probably figured out after awhile that, hey -- we never turn in any reports on non-game nights, and nobody's said anything about it. I'll bet we could get away with playing cards all night instead of patrolling.
 
2014-04-27 05:02:04 AM  
As I thought... There's been a change to the department scope and patrol area in the last year or so.

That unit was expanded, it went 24-hours a day (it was limited hours), and its patrol area was expanded, with a primary goal of getting the homeless off the streets and into shelters. It's not limited to game-night patrols like the article says.

That change in scope likely led to a change in administration and procedures, and these two guys probably realized nobody's watching them when the sportsball teams aren't playing.
 
2014-04-27 05:26:29 AM  
Further proof that cops are worse than zombie robot Hitler.

I'm outraged. Outraged I say!
 
2014-04-27 05:32:19 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?


At 5 in the morning on a sunday? Your job must suck (or your time zone or whatever).
 
2014-04-27 05:32:40 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?


The average Farker is probably not responsible for public safety.
 
2014-04-27 05:33:16 AM  

Snapper Carr: AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?

The average Farker is probably not responsible for public safety.


at least I hope not. That's a terrifying thought.
 
2014-04-27 05:33:38 AM  
I'd be okay with the cops sitting playing cards and smoking cigars as long as they were responding to calls when dispatched if it was the middle of the night; I don't know what people think cops DO at 3 a.m. when there's no active calls besides patrol and hang out at the 7-11 and try to stay alert.

Now that said, cops are not security guards, and I agree with Cruiser12; I can't imagine city cops not having one single call in three hours, first of all; and second, they should have broken off every couple of hours at least to change location. It's pulling crap like that that gets security guards keys to hit, and cops can have to do it too, as any city dispatcher whose had to do an hourly roll call can tell you.
 
2014-04-27 05:34:11 AM  
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2014-04-27 05:35:32 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I don't know what people think cops DO at 3 a.m. when there's no active calls besides patrol and hang out at the 7-11 and try to stay alert.


Patrolling is a pretty important function in a downtown area.
 
2014-04-27 05:37:22 AM  
"Phoenix City Manager Ed Zuercher said after reviewing the video. "I'd also tell people when they see that, don't wait for months to let us know." "

Yea, don't wait months collecting evidence, proving that it is a long-running trend of wasting taxpayers money...tell us immediately so we can say "oh, it was just this one time, no problem"
 
2014-04-27 05:42:02 AM  

croesius: "Phoenix City Manager Ed Zuercher said after reviewing the video. "I'd also tell people when they see that, don't wait for months to let us know." "

Yea, don't wait months collecting evidence, proving that it is a long-running trend of wasting taxpayers money...tell us immediately so we can say "oh, it was just this one time, no problem"


Yeah. That's the goal.

If they have any competent administrators, they would be able to tell after the first couple of instances that the fault lies in a lack of oversight, and the admins should be able to come up with a way to eliminate whatever loophole these guys found.

You don't have to let it go on for a year just to prove it can go on for a year. Some admins are actually kind of smart and can figure out how it broke the first time.
 
2014-04-27 05:42:06 AM  
Better them smoking and playing card than their usual pastimes of beating homeless people to death and shooting people's dogs without provocation.
 
2014-04-27 05:43:01 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Gyrfalcon: I don't know what people think cops DO at 3 a.m. when there's no active calls besides patrol and hang out at the 7-11 and try to stay alert.

Patrolling is a pretty important function in a downtown area.


....which I said.

But there's nothing wrong with taking a break...just not for three hours. And I find it hard to believe their radio didn't go off even once. Did anyone check with their dispatcher to see if they were on pager? (Which is what my guys used to call it when they were taking a nap and had their radios off)(But they were security guards so it didn't matter as much)
 
2014-04-27 05:44:54 AM  

croesius: Yea, don't wait months collecting evidence, proving that it is a long-running trend of wasting taxpayers money


The alternative is probably driving around looking for taxpayers to accost, just in case they're up to trouble.
 
2014-04-27 05:47:55 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Lenny_da_Hog: Gyrfalcon: I don't know what people think cops DO at 3 a.m. when there's no active calls besides patrol and hang out at the 7-11 and try to stay alert.

Patrolling is a pretty important function in a downtown area.

....which I said.

But there's nothing wrong with taking a break...just not for three hours. And I find it hard to believe their radio didn't go off even once. Did anyone check with their dispatcher to see if they were on pager? (Which is what my guys used to call it when they were taking a nap and had their radios off)(But they were security guards so it didn't matter as much)


Also, they didn't have reports to turn in from patrol? No homeless people? No stop-and-question incidents? No supervisor noticed that they turned in 1/3-less paperwork than every other patrol car in the Downtown unit?

That's why I think this was an administrative hole they found. Someone didn't finish the flow-chart or job duty descriptions when they set up the expanded Downtown Operations Unit.
 
2014-04-27 05:54:50 AM  
Here in the OC the cops used to stop in parking lots at night with 2 cars parked side by side but pointed in opposite directions so they could talk without using the radio. If you worked odd hours you'd see their little coffee klatches all the time but the advent of real time GPS put a stop to that.
 
2014-04-27 05:58:37 AM  
I wouldn't care if this was at 3 a.m. but 8:30 in the evening? That's prime time. Not a time for 3 hour breaks.
 
2014-04-27 05:59:05 AM  
Were they ignoring calls to smoke and play cards? If not, so what.
 
2014-04-27 06:01:52 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: That's why I think this was an administrative hole they found. Someone didn't finish the flow-chart or job duty descriptions when they set up the expanded Downtown Operations Unit.


Yup.

"we need a special squad because when the Arizona Diamondbacks or Phoenix Suns are playing it's busy! wait? what? Of course the squad will still be on duty when the Arizona Diamondbacks or Phoenix Suns are NOT playing... Duh..."
 
2014-04-27 06:02:56 AM  

ongbok: Were they ignoring calls to smoke and play cards? If not, so what.


Because they're not dispatchers. They are supposed to do more than wait for a call to come in.
 
2014-04-27 06:05:49 AM  
They must be old school cops. New cops would be playing video games.
 
2014-04-27 06:11:10 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: croesius: "Phoenix City Manager Ed Zuercher said after reviewing the video. "I'd also tell people when they see that, don't wait for months to let us know." "

Yea, don't wait months collecting evidence, proving that it is a long-running trend of wasting taxpayers money...tell us immediately so we can say "oh, it was just this one time, no problem"

Yeah. That's the goal.

If they have any competent administrators, they would be able to tell after the first couple of instances that the fault lies in a lack of oversight, and the admins should be able to come up with a way to eliminate whatever loophole these guys found.

You don't have to let it go on for a year just to prove it can go on for a year. Some admins are actually kind of smart and can figure out how it broke the first time.


I agree, competent admins should be able to detect this kind of thing. But shouldn't they also be able to detect that several officers were sitting on their asses, not moving, not responding to any calls, for months at a time? Do they even ask officers what they do during their shifts?

"So how was the night? Do anything?"
"Nope, absolutely nothing happened at all anywhere requiring our attention"

And, for the record, I am a strong supporter of law enforcement, when they do their job properly.
 
2014-04-27 06:19:06 AM  
Well, they're never getting any slack from their supervisor again, ever, I'd suspect.  That's riiiiiiiight up there against the line of instant-firing territory, leaning forward and swaying unsteadily.  They can maybe get away with the "we were just waiting for a radio call, we didn't know we were supposed to keep moving when not on an active call" excuse once, that's probably it.  Even excusing it on the grounds of poor training rather than personal/professional failure on their part is pretty borderline.
 
2014-04-27 06:19:26 AM  
At least they weren't drinking, so if they were to respond to a call, they wouldn't be inebriated.

Does seem a little odd that things would be so slow they could take 3 hour breaks without a single call.

I might spend most of my slow nights farking off, but even on a slow night I've never gone three hours without a call, and I don't start work till 11pm
 
2014-04-27 06:44:53 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Frederick: Would you care to weigh in on the article? Or maybe shed some inside light on the practices of cops on patrol during slow times? I'd be interested....

I used to see cops sleep or read a book during slow midnight shifts, but most cop cars have GPS so you can't get away with sitting in one place for very long any more. I don't know what the guys in the article were doing, but how did they get to sit in one place for three hours? In a city like Phoenix, you'd think they'd never go that long without a call.

I've head cops rationalize such behavior by pointing out that firefighters get to sleep on company time when they're not actively doing something. Not sure if I agree with that or not.


Local Cop

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2014-04-27 06:46:17 AM  
someone just blew the back up unit for the long term stake out around the corner .
 
2014-04-27 06:48:44 AM  
I'm with Prophet of Loss and J. Frank Parnell on this one.  I'd be happy if we paid the cops to sleep on park benches until they need to stop a murder or investigate the theft of my Creedence tape.  Better than them wandering around looking for people to bother.
 
2014-04-27 06:55:03 AM  
fta He watched 3 On Your Side's video and said it speaks volumes, particularly when the city of Phoenix is in a budget crunch and the police department is demanding more money.

Idunno. Phoenix has about 1.5 million residents. In a lot of cities that size, the patrol cars have GPS. If that's the case in Phoenix, then admin knew what was going on and the video also "speaks volumes" about admin. Yes, the cops are guilty of misdemeanor stupid. But I think the real question is whether they failed to respond to any calls. Yes, they'll be held accountable for embarrassing admin. But was the public's safety ever jeopardized? Of course, none of that matters, though, because "...the police department is demanding more money" and these guys just mucked that up, and so they are going to have to pay.
 
2014-04-27 06:55:29 AM  

the real racist: At least they weren't drinking, so if they were to respond to a call, they wouldn't be inebriated.

Does seem a little odd that things would be so slow they could take 3 hour breaks without a single call.

I might spend most of my slow nights farking off, but even on a slow night I've never gone three hours without a call, and I don't start work till 11pm


In a larger city, cops tend to be assigned to certain area's so that they're dispersed enough to respond when a call does come in from a given area.  It's entirely likely these guys nailed a cush area with a very low crime rate / traffic.
Sure, there are constant police calls, but in that car's range of operation?  Not likely.

It's very typical for a large part of the US, for a cop car to sit in any given place for a couple hours at a time.  This wasn't a donut shop or gas station / diner.

You can only patrol so much on a slow night without the public pitching a fit about how often the cop cars are slowly driving by.

AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?


Done in one.

Frederick: AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?

My employer gives consent.  My employer is not funded with tax dollars.
I'm particular sensitive to hypocrisy (although it took me 4 tries to spell it *facepalm*), and think this criticism doesnt qualify as hypocrisy.  If it were city road construction crews sloughing off, I'd feel differently about it being hypocritical.


Your anecdote is not necessarily relative to Fark at large, where even a good amount of our headlines refer to farking at your workplace.  Really, it's its own meme, and true enough that someone called out for avoiding productive work does stand out as hypocritical(in a community sense, not an individual sense), or at least hyper-critical.

What's more, I have AAG flagged as anti-cop.  If even someone with that flag can stand up for the cops in this scenario, it's really not necessarily as bad as everyone is trying to make it sound.

Yeah, if they're receiving calls and not responding that's one thing, but we don't know that, and cannot legitimately choose to Believe that.
 
2014-04-27 06:59:08 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Frederick: Would you care to weigh in on the article? Or maybe shed some inside light on the practices of cops on patrol during slow times? I'd be interested....

I used to see cops sleep or read a book during slow midnight shifts, but most cop cars have GPS so you can't get away with sitting in one place for very long any more. I don't know what the guys in the article were doing, but how did they get to sit in one place for three hours? In a city like Phoenix, you'd think they'd never go that long without a call.

I've head cops rationalize such behavior by pointing out that firefighters get to sleep on company time when they're not actively doing something. Not sure if I agree with that or not.


/Why not? What's the difference? Both are jobs that deal with emergencies that they get called out on. Do you expect firefighters to drive around in their fire trucks looking for fire all the time? Face it, the guy was just picking on cops. It's not like everyone in other jobs doesn't get time to fark off a little bit.  You expect them to drive around for 8 hours non stop?
 
NFA
2014-04-27 07:02:29 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?


Posted on a Sunday, I'm thinking you've just lost any remaining credibility you had.

FOP union thug are YA?
 
2014-04-27 07:12:43 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: I'm with Prophet of Loss and J. Frank Parnell on this one.  I'd be happy if we paid the cops to sleep on park benches until they need to stop a murder or investigate the theft of my Creedence tape.  Better than them wandering around looking for people to bother.


/I totally agree.  And as a retired cop, i can say i have worked many third shifts, and seconds, that after you check businesses, there is NOTHING going on.  No calls, and no traffic. Esp early in the morning.   And the traffic you do see is just your average joe going home from work.   Would you rather have them pulling everyone over out of boredom?  Least they were minding their own business and not farking with people for the fun of it.  Man, there is no making you people happy.  Cops pull you over, you get pissed at them, even if YOU are the one doing something wrong.  They pull off to take a break and have a bit of non stress fun, and you biatch.  Make up your minds.  Would you rather have them circling like vultures pouncing on every car they see drive by?  They put their lives on the line responding to emergencies that most of the public would run from, including fire and crazy people that are armed, and everyone gets all butt hurt if they take a few hours to park and relax a bit.
 
2014-04-27 07:14:15 AM  
Bit'O'Gristle: Do you expect firefighters to drive around in their fire trucks looking for fire all the time?

a faulty electrical outlet doesn't decide to delay starting a fire because a fire truck drives by at regular intervals.
 
2014-04-27 07:18:11 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: And as a retired cop, i can say i have worked many third shifts, and seconds, that after you check businesses, there is NOTHING going on.  No calls, and no traffic. Esp early in the morning.


FTFA

"I got home one time a little bit after 7 p.m. and they left a little bit after 10 p.m.," another resident said.

Residents said they arrived home about 8:30 p.m. to find the police vehicle parked on top of the garage and it didn't leave until after 10:15 p.m.


This isn't sunday at 4 a.m. goofing off, or just taking a break.
 
NFA
2014-04-27 07:20:31 AM  
To be fair, if they're playing cards and smoking cigars on the taxpayer dime, at least they aren't doing the things seen in the youtube video below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWNyBTrIQc
 
2014-04-27 07:24:55 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?



Pretty sure I won't encourage my next B-737 flight crew to take a Fark break during a hard IFR flight.

Not everyone is a desk jockey for a living, sport.

Professionalism, how does it work?
 
2014-04-27 07:25:01 AM  

log_jammin: Bit'O'Gristle: Do you expect firefighters to drive around in their fire trucks looking for fire all the time?

a faulty electrical outlet doesn't decide to delay starting a fire because a fire truck drives by at regular intervals.


/True, but as i said, you can't expect them to drive around all shift.  If i had pulled that shiat on duty, i would have been standing tall before my LT, explaining why i put 200 miles on the squad car.  The general operation of a squad is, (esp at night) you check closed businesses, do some random patrol, maybe run some radar, and park somewhere waiting for a call. I don't care if they were playing cards or singing campfire songs.  They were awake, and ready to respond to emergencies.  Now, if they had IGNORED calls, i would have an issue.  But seeing as how every other "emergency" profession gets to fark off and watch tv, play cards, or whatever, I'm not going to get all derpy on a few cops who are just tying to stay awake on slow nights.  Sounds to me its just a few people who don't generally like cops biatching to the news trying to start shiat.
 
NFA
2014-04-27 07:32:20 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /True, but as i said, you can't expect them to drive around all shift.  If i had pulled that shiat on duty, i would have been standing tall before my LT, explaining why i put 200 miles on the squad car.  The general operation of a squad is, (esp at night) you check closed businesses, do some random patrol, maybe run some radar, and park somewhere waiting for a call. I don't care if they were playing cards or singing campfire songs.  They were awake, and ready to respond to emergencies.  Now, if they had IGNORED calls, i would have an issue.  But seeing as how every other "emergency" profession gets to fark off and watch tv, play cards, or whatever, I'm not going to get all derpy on a few cops who are just tying to stay awake on slow nights.  Sounds to me its just a few people who don't generally like cops biatching to the news trying to start shiat.


No, they should have proceeded to the point of highest crime in their area and vigilantly looked for suspicious behaviors, such as open air drug dealing, prostitution, gang activity, unusual loitering near stores or businesses, etc. etc. etc.

They don't have to drive a vehicle to do their jobs but they do have to focus on what going on around them and NOT a hand of poker or solitaire.
 
2014-04-27 07:37:38 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /True, but as i said, you can't expect them to drive around all shift.


breaks and goofing off is fine, when it;'s appropriate.

This is in no way appropriate.
 
NFA
2014-04-27 07:39:28 AM  
I find the hypocrisy to be amazing.  If this were a postal worker, NO ONE would defend this behavior.  If this were a federal worker, NO ONE would defend this behavior.  It this were an employee for the state roads, NO ONE would defend this behavior.

It has been repeatedly said that one of the most powerful unions in the United States is that of the law enforcement officers.  No politician will take legislative action against police corruption and mismanagement for fear of police union retaliation.  Truthfully, the law enforcement in this country is becoming more and more like an organized crime entity and at the same time they've becoming militarized.
 
2014-04-27 07:40:04 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: But seeing as how every other "emergency" profession gets to fark off and watch tv, play cards, or whatever, I'm not going to get all derpy on a few cops who are just tying to stay awake on slow nights.


I missed this bit.

cops aren't firemen, dispatchers, EMS. what they do is irrelevant. They don't have the same job.
 
2014-04-27 07:42:53 AM  

log_jammin: Bit'O'Gristle: /True, but as i said, you can't expect them to drive around all shift.

breaks and goofing off is fine, when it;'s appropriate.

This is in no way appropriate.


/So, in your opinion, when would an appropriate time be?
 
2014-04-27 07:49:00 AM  
I'm thinking these guys must have some seniority, pulled some strings, and got assigned to a lower crime area.  Or maybe, they were put in a particular spot because they have a history of harassing civilians, and the higher-ups can't get rid of them yet (union stuff), so this way, they aren't riding a desk and leading another generation of cops to think of civilians as criminals in training.  This neighborhood could also have a history of demanding immediate response to stupid things, so the admins decided to placate the busybodies, and got caught.  Some HOAs constantly biatch about every friggin thing and think the cops are their personal enforcers.

It went on for a year, and admins knew about it, pretty sure.
 
2014-04-27 08:02:21 AM  

log_jammin: Bit'O'Gristle: But seeing as how every other "emergency" profession gets to fark off and watch tv, play cards, or whatever, I'm not going to get all derpy on a few cops who are just tying to stay awake on slow nights.

I missed this bit.

cops aren't firemen, dispatchers, EMS. what they do is irrelevant. They don't have the same job.


No.  The differences you are attempting to put forth are merely your opinion of what each "should" be doing.

In all reality, those professions are very similar.  To provide coverage for when bad things happen.  Sure, police presence can deter criminals, it's a neat effect, but they simply cannot be everywhere at once on the budget they are on.  So what effect does it have that they were stationary?

In order to prove a point, you're going to have to provide more citation than just "I feel they should be patrolling".

I feel you should just log off the internet and never come back.  Doesn't matter in the slightest of course.
 
2014-04-27 08:04:27 AM  
Why is expecting an officer to patrol his area the equivalent to Farkers of "watching the cops ride around for someone to harass"? There's never a happy middle ground with Farkers. These cops could do a patrol just to keep an eye on things. Doesn't mean they have to stop someone if nothing is going on or if everything looks normal.

On my way to work I alway spot at least one cop sitting in his cruiser behind a unused building, doing nothing. It bothers me because the cop could be sitting in his cruiser at some of the intersections I go through to monitor the drivers. During the morning rush the drivers are horrible and break a lot of driving laws. The cop could at least be a visible presence to keep the drivers from driving crazy.
 
2014-04-27 08:10:33 AM  
so, according to the subby, snitches get ditches?
 
2014-04-27 08:11:07 AM  
Meh.

I'd prefer to have slacker cops.

Better than the super-motivated-kick-your-ass-shoot-your-dog-and-children-still-keep-y our-job cops.

My taxpayer dime vote goes to keeping these guys, and firing the excessive violence cops.
 
2014-04-27 08:15:19 AM  

skinink: Why is expecting an officer to patrol his area the equivalent to Farkers of "watching the cops ride around for someone to harass"?


Well, since you asked, I'll break it down.

skinink: Doesn't mean they have to stop someone if nothing is going on or if everything looks normal.


If nothing is going on and everything looks normal, why do they have to continually patrol?

I ask the counter because if they are being dictated to always be on the lookout, always be patrolling even when insanely bored, the longer one looks and finds nothing, the more they'll notice something petty, and they'll be more likely to harass people over trivial shiat.

The monotony of playing security guard in a low crime area is enough to drive people crazy, literally.

It's like sending the kids into the yard to look for easter eggs, when you know damn good and well there are no eggs in the yard.  They will get bored and give up.  It's human nature.  You don't criticize them for not continuing to look for the entire day.  It becomes enough if they gave it a shot and it just ends up nothing was there to do anything about.
 
2014-04-27 08:16:24 AM  
I was thinking about getting pissed off at these guys, but then I remembered the hours and hours I spent on active duty playing cards, video games, or sleeping in barracks rooms during the duty day, hiding myself or my Marines from the Gunny or First Sergeant, counting down the hours until afternoon formation, so we didn't get stuck doing some useless bullshiat.  When the training schedule calls for "weapons cleaning", and you just cleaned the biatches for 4 hours the day before, and hadn't touched them since, you try to find a way out of it.
 
2014-04-27 08:17:53 AM  

JRoo: Meh.

I'd prefer to have slacker cops.

Better than the super-motivated-kick-your-ass-shoot-your-dog-and-children-still-keep-y our-job cops.

My taxpayer dime vote goes to keeping these guys, and firing the excessive violence cops.


This.  There's a line between diligence and just being oppressive with your presence, never mind the real travesties that go on(meaning, of course fire those assholes).
 
2014-04-27 08:18:39 AM  

skinink: On my way to work I alway spot at least one cop sitting in his cruiser behind a unused building, doing nothing. It bothers me because the cop could be sitting in his cruiser at some of the intersections I go through to monitor the drivers. During the morning rush the drivers are horrible and break a lot of driving laws. The cop could at least be a visible presence to keep the drivers from driving crazy.


Reminds me of a story i heard once about a police officer who not only pulled over a speeder, but everyone behind him keeping up, too. Had like 10 cars pulled over at once. Think the morale of that story is you either end up doing that all the time or avoiding certain situations after awhile.
 
2014-04-27 08:20:05 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: log_jammin: Bit'O'Gristle: Do you expect firefighters to drive around in their fire trucks looking for fire all the time?

a faulty electrical outlet doesn't decide to delay starting a fire because a fire truck drives by at regular intervals.

/True, but as i said, you can't expect them to drive around all shift.  If i had pulled that shiat on duty, i would have been standing tall before my LT, explaining why i put 200 miles on the squad car.  The general operation of a squad is, (esp at night) you check closed businesses, do some random patrol, maybe run some radar, and park somewhere waiting for a call. I don't care if they were playing cards or singing campfire songs.  They were awake, and ready to respond to emergencies.  Now, if they had IGNORED calls, i would have an issue.  But seeing as how every other "emergency" profession gets to fark off and watch tv, play cards, or whatever, I'm not going to get all derpy on a few cops who are just tying to stay awake on slow nights.  Sounds to me its just a few people who don't generally like cops biatching to the news trying to start shiat.


Excellent post

At least these LEOs were awake and alert. Too many folks whine over everything LEOs do

And having been to Phoenix around New Years, it is really quiet and slow in the early AM, with few cars on the road, unlike Orlando. I can see it being slow in that city
 
2014-04-27 08:21:56 AM  
I'm not a cop - so I'm only speculating but......I'm okay with this.  This is what I want cops in my neighborhood to do.

No seriously.

Look, if someone phoned 911 and reported a murder - and they kept playing cards; that's a different story.  That's a real problem.  But there are types of jobs where you don't do anything for a lot of the time.  We had night-security at the last company I worked for.  Their job was to sit around, and wait, for something to happen.  If nothing is happening, they have nothing to do.  You are paying them, so that they will be around when something happens.

What *should* these cops be doing?  I mean, sure, maybe in some parts of some countries there is just a never-ending pile of criminals and the cops and patrol the streets and catch them.  But in most places, nothing is happening on a Tuesday night.  Just regular people doing regular stuff.  These guys could go somewhere and hassle minorities or pull over people doing 2-3mph over the limit.  But neither would make things any better.  They're on duty, they are ready to go, and they are waiting for something to do.  That's part of the time.

You see this in a lot of jobs.  If you want to get upset, get upset at the people running things that allocate resources to places where there is downtime.

This isn't like a road construction job where employees are paid to build a road, then go home.  Cops are meant to *maintain* the laws of the land.  Jobs like that are never finished.  I used to work at McDonalds as a cashier.  When we had no customers, I stood around with my thumb up my butt waiting for customers.  If you sent me home, when customers came we would have no cashiers.  Same thing.
 
2014-04-27 08:25:25 AM  

devildog123: I was thinking about getting pissed off at these guys, but then I remembered the hours and hours I spent on active duty playing cards, video games, or sleeping in barracks rooms during the duty day, hiding myself or my Marines from the Gunny or First Sergeant, counting down the hours until afternoon formation, so we didn't get stuck doing some useless bullshiat.  When the training schedule calls for "weapons cleaning", and you just cleaned the biatches for 4 hours the day before, and hadn't touched them since, you try to find a way out of it.


This.  It's what I was getting at above.  The point of any emergency response job is not visible presence, but the ability to respond.

A cop that spends every moment of his day with a petty traffic stop or writing a litter ticket, is an officer that's is going to show up that much later when something bad does happen.

When you are required to respond to some really bad shiat, you can't get compensated enough.  So, be it military, medical workers, police etc, when you have down time, it often ends up as "make-work"(which still is not infinite) or striving to not let boredom drive you nuts.
 
2014-04-27 08:26:17 AM  
Eh, no surprise or concern,actually. Cops came in and goofed around at my old job all the time, slept in their squad cars out front, and yammered for free food all the time while they shot the shiat with the other manager. Now let's tinker with the headline so it does warrant concern and outrage:

On-duty cops in a squad car caught playing cards with each other's ding dongs and smoking  giving each other 'Sneaky Castros' with Cuban cigars by a reporter who will soon be found mysteriously dead in a ditch with 10 baggies of cocaine rabid minks stuffed down his throat overstretched terd tomb and a dozen kiddie porn pictures cum-stained pictures of Barbara Bush taking a dump and eating it in his pockets.

"It's kind of creepy," a resident said. "They just park up there and their lights are off. You just really don't know. All you hear is lots of moaning, skin slapping around and Lil' Kim playing in the back"

Residents claim the police officers sit there for a couple hours at a time and have been doing so for nearly a year.

"I got home one time a little bit after 7 p.m. and they left a little bit after 10 p.m.," another resident said.
He said he was so curious to know what the officers were doing, he purchased a pair of binoculars and could not believe what he saw.
"They started shuffling sticking tasers up their pissholes, and started playing with themselves, and, like I said, sit back, smoke stuck cigars up each other's asses and play cards Cincinnati Bowtie for hours," he said.
On March 26, 3 On Your Side's cameras captured two officers playing cards He-Man Daisy Chain and smoking stogies each other's farts. Residents said they arrived home about 8:30 p.m. to find the police vehicle parked chief on top of the garage rookie and it he didn't leave his caved in fart box until after 10:15 p.m.


www.motherjones.com

Tim Hogan (pictured on the right, with Internal Affairs Chief Slutmaster Beefflex on the left) replied with shock to the allegations:
"Two all beef patties, special sauce. lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun

 mc donalds is your kinda place hamburgers in your face french fries up your nose dill pickle between you toes "
 
2014-04-27 08:29:57 AM  
This is very common, they'll just find another parking lot, nothing will be done about it.

I personally know a cop that has 2 full-time jobs, he takes the graveyard shift with the police department and sleeps for most of that time inside his cruiser parked by the side of an empty road.
 
2014-04-27 08:31:13 AM  
Not to mention what they'll do to his wife, children and the family pets.
 
2014-04-27 08:33:28 AM  

Snapper Carr: AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?

The average Farker is probably not responsible for public safety.


Indeed.

/posting from a relatively slow ER.
//oops..someone died bc I was reading fark
 
2014-04-27 08:34:53 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /So, in your opinion, when would an appropriate time be?


what department policy says it should be.
 
2014-04-27 08:37:32 AM  
As someone who's been on patrol, internal affairs and been a desk sergeant, I find the cops' behavior here unacceptable. Can 'em.
 
2014-04-27 08:40:18 AM  

omeganuepsilon: No.  The differences you are attempting to put forth are merely your opinion of what each "should" be doing.


no where did I state what each "should be doing".

In all reality, those professions are very similar.  To provide coverage for when bad things happen.

that's a gross oversimplification.

Sure, police presence can deter criminals, it's a neat effect, but they simply cannot be everywhere at once on the budget they are on.

so since they can't be every where at once it's ok to be nowhere? wow. ok then.


So what effect does it have that they were stationary?

they're more than just stationary, they're hiding. in short, they're not doing police work.

In order to prove a point, you're going to have to provide more citation than just "I feel they should be patrolling".

I feel you should just log off the internet and never come back.  Doesn't matter in the slightest of course.


oh farking yawn.
 
2014-04-27 08:46:32 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: True, but as i said, you can't expect them to drive around all shift.


Driving around all shift is literally the entirety of their job.  They're supposed to:

(a) be keeping an eye on things along the patrol route and

(b) be a visible presence along the patrol route to ward off potential trouble.

Taking breaks are one thing, but what is appropriate for breaks is specifically outlined in employment law (15 minute breaks, one or two per shift).  If they're not actually moving/patrolling apart from that, they're failing at both their listed job responsibilities and the first half of "protect and serve".

It's like if a night watchman at a museum decides to just not walk through the gallery-- since the presence of the watchman and the occurrence of patrols is the  major deterrent to theft, that's a firin'.

These cops were not just "on call", if that was the case they'd be allowed to do anything they wanted (that didn't involve drinking or leaving the area), but they also  would not be drawing a full paycheck.  Doing this is stealing the city's money on top of the central problem of the service not occurring.
 
2014-04-27 08:47:06 AM  
They should be out using their cop vision to spot crimes
 
2014-04-27 08:51:43 AM  
To back up a couple steps from the previous post, firefighters generally  are in the "on call" state, and receiving significantly less pay for it.  The ones that aren't and have active assignments are called fire inspectors, and if they don't walk part of a building because they don't feel like it that day then they will  also get in trouble.
 
2014-04-27 09:00:03 AM  

log_jammin: so since they can't be every where at once it's ok to be nowhere? wow. ok then.


That's the argument you need to resort to?  They were "nowhere"?

Typical of the rest of your sunday morning troll-fest.
 
2014-04-27 09:05:58 AM  

omeganuepsilon: That's the argument you need to resort to?  They were "nowhere"?


they were hiding. they were not patrolling.

omeganuepsilon: Typical of the rest of your sunday morning troll-fest.


yeah I'm a troll. that's it.
 
2014-04-27 09:13:55 AM  
log_jammin:  they were not patrolling.

yeah I'm a troll. that's it.


I can get drunk to this.
 
2014-04-27 09:20:15 AM  
We were not allowed to have reading material on patrol.
I had a Sargent pull over behind me and my partner when he saw us parked.
We were reading. He demand the reading material. (thinking he's getting free pron to confiscate for his own use.) I handed my book out the window. Leather bound, three inch thick, first edition of the complete works of Plato. He's like, "What is this shait? Russian?"
I said, "No. It's Greek"
He says, "You read Greek?"
I said, "You don't?"
Then he demands my partner's book.
I said, " You have to wash your hands, first, Sarge."
He says, "What?!"
I say, "It's the Koran, and you must wash your hands before he will hand it to you. He's
Muslim, and that is really kind of the protocol."
At this point, the Sargent
realizes he doesn't want to involve himself in the paperwork and leaves.
end csb
 
2014-04-27 09:20:40 AM  
Hey subby, this isn't Albuquerque. The reporter will be left alive.
 
2014-04-27 09:25:01 AM  
Well, apparently they didn't have much assigned work when games weren't being played, and unlike the rest of us, can't goof off on the internet, so goofed off in other ways.  I guess all of us who post on Fark during the workday should be thankful our desks aren't out there in broad daylight where just anyone can take video of us goofing off while on the job.

Guessing command will give them some busy work for slow days now..
 
2014-04-27 09:32:56 AM  

NFA: To be fair, if they're playing cards and smoking cigars on the taxpayer dime, at least they aren't doing the things seen in the youtube video below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWNyBTrIQc



Agreed.
 
2014-04-27 09:37:49 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm not a cop - so I'm only speculating but......I'm okay with this.  This is what I want cops in my neighborhood to do.

No seriously.

Look, if someone phoned 911 and reported a murder - and they kept playing cards; that's a different story.  That's a real problem.  But there are types of jobs where you don't do anything for a lot of the time.  We had night-security at the last company I worked for.  Their job was to sit around, and wait, for something to happen.  If nothing is happening, they have nothing to do.  You are paying them, so that they will be around when something happens.

What *should* these cops be doing?  I mean, sure, maybe in some parts of some countries there is just a never-ending pile of criminals and the cops and patrol the streets and catch them.  But in most places, nothing is happening on a Tuesday night.  Just regular people doing regular stuff.  These guys could go somewhere and hassle minorities or pull over people doing 2-3mph over the limit.  But neither would make things any better.  They're on duty, they are ready to go, and they are waiting for something to do.  That's part of the time.

You see this in a lot of jobs.  If you want to get upset, get upset at the people running things that allocate resources to places where there is downtime.

This isn't like a road construction job where employees are paid to build a road, then go home.  Cops are meant to *maintain* the laws of the land.  Jobs like that are never finished.  I used to work at McDonalds as a cashier.  When we had no customers, I stood around with my thumb up my butt waiting for customers.  If you sent me home, when customers came we would have no cashiers.  Same thing.


You got time to lean? You got time to clean.
 
2014-04-27 09:38:10 AM  

Notabunny: fta He watched 3 On Your Side's video and said it speaks volumes, particularly when the city of Phoenix is in a budget crunch and the police department is demanding more money.

Idunno. Phoenix has about 1.5 million residents. In a lot of cities that size, the patrol cars have GPS. If that's the case in Phoenix, then admin knew what was going on and the video also "speaks volumes" about admin. Yes, the cops are guilty of misdemeanor stupid. But I think the real question is whether they failed to respond to any calls. Yes, they'll be held accountable for embarrassing admin. But was the public's safety ever jeopardized? Of course, none of that matters, though, because "...the police department is demanding more money" and these guys just mucked that up, and so they are going to have to pay.


It takes a lot longer to get to a call if you are on top of a parking lot nad have to put away your card table, than if you were already on the streets patrolling.
 
2014-04-27 09:39:16 AM  
I mostly identify as a cop hater, but for some reason I have no problem with this.
 
2014-04-27 09:40:50 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Billy Bathsalt: I'm with Prophet of Loss and J. Frank Parnell on this one.  I'd be happy if we paid the cops to sleep on park benches until they need to stop a murder or investigate the theft of my Creedence tape.  Better than them wandering around looking for people to bother.

/I totally agree.  And as a retired cop, i can say i have worked many third shifts, and seconds, that after you check businesses, there is NOTHING going on.  No calls, and no traffic. Esp early in the morning.   And the traffic you do see is just your average joe going home from work.   Would you rather have them pulling everyone over out of boredom?  Least they were minding their own business and not farking with people for the fun of it.  Man, there is no making you people happy.  Cops pull you over, you get pissed at them, even if YOU are the one doing something wrong.  They pull off to take a break and have a bit of non stress fun, and you biatch.  Make up your minds.  Would you rather have them circling like vultures pouncing on every car they see drive by?  They put their lives on the line responding to emergencies that most of the public would run from, including fire and crazy people that are armed, and everyone gets all butt hurt if they take a few hours to park and relax a bit.


No. But I imagine there are pubs and clubs with people leaving in cars they could be pulling over.  Or just dark alleys they could check on.  Or drunk people looking for a place to sleep in an alley, that could do with a lift home.  Maybe just a heap of 24/7 businesses they should be checking up on to make sure everything is ok and get to know the people who also work late.
 
2014-04-27 09:44:40 AM  
so what. People at my work show up hammered, do oxicotins or lines of coke off the mudmixer and hide out in scaffold somewhere.

although, in all fairness coke makes some of em work harder.
 
2014-04-27 09:54:39 AM  
The reporter is a busybody and a dick.  Part of the problem comes when police administrators expect LEOs on the street to be always looking for problems.

They were probably ready to work, but no, they have to be out there with a radar gun, ect.


This is an example of degrees of what happened in the 81st NYC with Schoolcraft.  Who here has not a position where they are paid to be ready to work.
 
2014-04-27 10:13:01 AM  

log_jammin: omeganuepsilon: Typical of the rest of your sunday morning troll-fest.

yeah I'm a troll. that's it.


Admitting you have a problem is only the first step, so ease up with patting yourself on the back.
 
2014-04-27 10:15:27 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Admitting you have a problem is only the first step, so ease up with patting yourself on the back.


right right.
 
2014-04-27 10:26:50 AM  

skinink: Why is expecting an officer to patrol his area the equivalent to Farkers of "watching the cops ride around for someone to harass"? There's never a happy middle ground with Farkers. These cops could do a patrol just to keep an eye on things. Doesn't mean they have to stop someone if nothing is going on or if everything looks normal.


Because 9 out of 10 times it's -exactly- what happens. They -look- for reasons to pull you over, no matter if you're driving safely, with current tags and up-to-date license info, etc. If the left turn light BLINKS at them, they pull you over. Both my dad and I have had experience with this (in both cases the cop was -way- too bored). As long as they respond to calls, they can sit and shoot the breeze all they want.

/I could have told them there are better places to not get caught.
 
2014-04-27 10:30:07 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: They pull off to take a break and have a bit of non stress fun, and you biatch.


I have no complaints, as long as they are paying attention, I don't care.
Not all citizens are the same, officer.
 
2014-04-27 10:46:57 AM  
I don't understand the posts sayin "nbd, they can't just patrol for the whole 8 hours!" Err why not? That's what they're getting paid for, right? I mean, my job pays me to come work the full 8 hours, so thats what I do. I don't see why its different for cops on the graveyard shift. We also have a union, but its not a powerful one like the cops union, so their hands are tied if I try whining about how unfair or hard it is to do the job I was hired to do.
 
2014-04-27 10:58:29 AM  
Meh. Playing cards and being social versus hiding from the public and playing on their cell phones. This is fine as long as they respond when needed. Only can do so many ped checks and traffic violations before the monotony sets in.
 
2014-04-27 11:14:10 AM  
I worked the last 4 years on the night shift in a large south Florida police department. I worked weekends in a high crime area. In spite of that, on any given Sunday night I could go for several hours without a call. I'm proactive, and am in a proactive unit now, and some times there just wasn't anything to find. No traffic, no one walking around. Those night suck, and we're required to have at least one entry in our worksheet per hours. That's when you go to a watch order location and you just sit there fighting boredom.

You can put 100 miles on your car in one night and not find anything. It's a fact of policework.
 
2014-04-27 11:15:59 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Cops are placed on paid leave because they haven't yet been charged with any violations, either criminal or internal. Being on paid leave means the agency still has control over you and can order you in at any time, like to be questioned by internal affairs. It's a way to temporarily get the cop off the street and still be able to control him.


 To be fair, it is also often used simply as a way for the city to appear to be 'doing something' when they don't actually intend to, and to get the individual cops out of the public eye for a while until things cool off. It may be taken seriously some cases and in some places, but in enough others its abused as a deflection technique so often that it has become mostly meaningless to the public other than as a codeword for corruption.
 
2014-04-27 11:21:12 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I've head cops rationalize such behavior by pointing out that firefighters get to sleep on company time when they're not actively doing something. Not sure if I agree with that or not.


This is true, but firemen are generally at the station where they can be awakened from a sound sleep and expected to be fully functional and rolling within a very few minutes, and have whole multi-day blocks of their week tied up away from home where they spend the entire time waiting for calls, cleaning/maintaining the trucks, etc.

Having said that, while the time spent playing cards in the car could probably have been used more constructively, if it's not affecting their ability to respond to a call quickly I'm not sure there's a problem here worthy of such outrage.
 
2014-04-27 11:24:41 AM  

Langdon_777: Notabunny: fta He watched 3 On Your Side's video and said it speaks volumes, particularly when the city of Phoenix is in a budget crunch and the police department is demanding more money.

Idunno. Phoenix has about 1.5 million residents. In a lot of cities that size, the patrol cars have GPS. If that's the case in Phoenix, then admin knew what was going on and the video also "speaks volumes" about admin. Yes, the cops are guilty of misdemeanor stupid. But I think the real question is whether they failed to respond to any calls. Yes, they'll be held accountable for embarrassing admin. But was the public's safety ever jeopardized? Of course, none of that matters, though, because "...the police department is demanding more money" and these guys just mucked that up, and so they are going to have to pay.

It takes a lot longer to get to a call if you are on top of a parking lot nad have to put away your card table, than if you were already on the streets patrolling.


Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on how far away they are from the call location. It's a safe bet that they weren't following policy and procedure, But what's important is whether their actions jeopardized public safety. If so, buh-by. If not, letter of reprimand.
 
2014-04-27 11:24:42 AM  

Frederick: AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?

My employer gives consent.  My employer is not funded with tax dollars.
I'm particular sensitive to hypocrisy (although it took me 4 tries to spell it *facepalm*), and think this criticism doesnt qualify as hypocrisy.  If it were city road construction crews sloughing off, I'd feel differently about it being hypocritical.


"I'm a taxpayer so I'm your boss"

Let me know how this line works out for you in real life. I'd love to see the video if it's at all possible.
 
2014-04-27 11:29:05 AM  

wyltoknow: I don't understand the posts sayin "nbd, they can't just patrol for the whole 8 hours!" Err why not? That's what they're getting paid for, right? I mean, my job pays me to come work the full 8 hours, so thats what I do. I don't see why its different for cops on the graveyard shift. We also have a union, but its not a powerful one like the cops union, so their hands are tied if I try whining about how unfair or hard it is to do the job I was hired to do.


If you want your answers, I suggest you read the thread.  Most of what you ask was covered.


So your job is different.  Not all jobs are created equal. Yes, some are based on production, there is actual "work" to be done, finite work that can be finished before the next project comes down the pipeline, indeed needs to be finished so that there isn't a clog in the system.  Some there isn't a lot of physical work, but paperwork that needs done for the same reason.

 Some require you to sit and wait, as opposed to not existing and having no one there when there is a need.  They get paid to train, to stay ready to respond when needed.  That is the specific purpose of the military and police force, indeed, security in general.  Rent-a-cop to body guard, medical workers, hell, even secretaries and receptionists.  You get paid to show up and be ready.  It's a precautionary measure.

It's baffling that some of you can be so blind to how the world works that you cannot understand that.  High stress and high danger jobs all have that in common, when there is down time, relaxation, even on duty, is warranted.
 
2014-04-27 11:29:10 AM  
My buddy is Phoenix PD, this might even be his precinct. I'm gonna text him to see what he knows...
 
2014-04-27 11:52:47 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Frederick: Would you care to weigh in on the article? Or maybe shed some inside light on the practices of cops on patrol during slow times? I'd be interested....

I used to see cops sleep or read a book during slow midnight shifts, but most cop cars have GPS so you can't get away with sitting in one place for very long any more. I don't know what the guys in the article were doing, but how did they get to sit in one place for three hours? In a city like Phoenix, you'd think they'd never go that long without a call.

I've head cops rationalize such behavior by pointing out that firefighters get to sleep on company time when they're not actively doing something. Not sure if I agree with that or not.


In our (firefighters') defense, our schedule benefits the city financially, but makes it impossible to expect us to stay awake. I work two 10-hour days, one day off, two 14-hour nights, three days off. You can't expect a human to swing from days to nights to days that quickly without allowing for sleep. Plus, because the city chooses to keep vacancies unfilled and pay us overtime to cover shifts, I routinely work 36, 38, or 48 hours straight.

Every now and again, a new city councilor gets elected and starts in on the "sleeping firemen." The finance director has to explain that switching to three 8-hour shifts per day will cause a huge increase in the payroll. More firefighters would have to be hired, and the big thing: we are exempt from the time-and-a-half provision of FLSA, meaning our overtime is paid at straight pay. That goes away if they put us on regular shiftwork. When given the choice of millions more in payroll cost vs. the objection on principle to sleeping employees, the money always wins.

Frankly, it's not that big an incentive anyway. I work on a unit that does ~4,000 calls per year. So we average about 6 calls per night shift. Though sometimes we don't go anywhere and sometimes we just get slammed and we're out all night. On an average night, I may get one or two hours of sleep at a time, and a total of 5 hours, but it's not restful. And that's 2-3 nights a week, every week. I'd almost rather be on a 5-day, 8-hour routine. Sleeping at home is a lot more fun than sleeping in a room with 5 other guys, all snoring and farting, and the hissing of the CPAP machine one of them has.
 
2014-04-27 12:05:39 PM  
Has anybody pointed out that in AZ it's illegal to smoke tobacco in a government issued car?
 
2014-04-27 12:11:26 PM  

Sinto: Has anybody pointed out that in AZ it's illegal to smoke tobacco in a government issued car?


LOL win.
 
2014-04-27 12:13:26 PM  
Let me start by saying these guys do need a little "coaching" on acceptable behavior since sitting on top a a parking garage playing cards is not acceptable.

But, knowing the  area they are assigned to patrol that is probably the  most effective thing for  them to do.  Phoenix uses assigned patrol areas and officers do not leave  that area, unless told to- i.e. officer assist.  Now thanks to the  input of the  Very Important Businessmen the  Downtown patrol areas around  the  Arena and DB stadium there is now  a heavily staffed dedicated force patrol the  grids in that area, this means that on event nights  the officers have plenty to do because of  the  increased number of people coming to the  area for the  event.  On non event nights playing cards while having  a cigar is about all  they have to do in some of the  grids.  When you patrol for 6 hours and the  only thing  you see is a cat burglarizing a trash can you get pretty bored.
If you want to direct your self-righteous rage at someone I suggest  the  Political hack  that applied  the  pressure to create a high saturation force for the area 24/7 instead of having a appropriate ratio of officers to crime and extra units brought in as needed for events.

For those of you saying it is different when this is done in the  "private sector," remember that when you are paying more for something  since the  person sitting around and reading  fark is increasing the  cost to you, it is still a waste of the  money you earn, just like when a person whose job is paid by  the  taxpayer does it , it is just in  the  private sector you do not see your money squandered and you can self rationalize your faux outrage by saying you do not have to buy the  product.
 
2014-04-27 12:30:04 PM  
That Fark lede quite probably is accurate ..
 
2014-04-27 01:20:07 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: Better than them wandering around looking for people to bother.


I'm nearly inclined to agree with this. In my AZ burb the police like to periodically drive out at night and shine lights in your face while your on your evening run (think: desert heat makes early and late exercise very desireable). Yes, I dress up in spandex, bright clothing and wear lights so that I can run around visibly carrying my neighbor's silver. That's going to happen (lol I bet my neighbor owns no such thing anyway). Or maybe they think we runners will be holding bongs or something else incriminating when they come by?

My gosh, yesterday I was in Mesa and saw twenty police cars respond to some sketchy house. The police were putting up a road block and pulling out heavy hardware. More cars were still coming from every direction when we finally got our car away from that clusterfark. I'm guessing 15 minutes later the whole police force was on the scene. It makes you wonder, when you see huge clusters of cop cars at the scenes of things (very typical around here), whether the situation truly warrants the manpower or whether the cops are all bored and just looking for action.
 
2014-04-27 02:14:35 PM  
I probably missed the boat on this comment too. so I apologize in advance.
but my thinking is this, the cops have nothing to do really, but they have to be at work. I personally would rather know they were on a roof top playing cards, (it didn't say they were doing anything illegal, drinking, etc)
then creeping around looking for crimes they hope someone is committing. they have radios.
 
2014-04-27 02:16:41 PM  
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2014-04-27 02:31:34 PM  

CruiserTwelve: It's a way to temporarily get the cop off the street and still be able to control him.


So are desk duty and pulling weeds in the flowerbeds at Town Hall, and the taxpayers get some value for money there.

If it is actually going to be paid leave, I'd like to see it be refundable if a firing ultimately results.
 
2014-04-27 02:43:07 PM  
Let's party!

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2014-04-27 05:17:55 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?


Where I grew up there was so little action at night that the department issued Gameboys just to keep the traffic enforcement officers from drifting off to sleep. It's not like they could do public outreach or bust people when most everyone was home sleeping. And they can't just wander to parts of town that have more crime. I imagine EMS and firefighters have similar issues with dead nights.

I'm more outraged at the post office workers who sit around "on break" when there are 30 people waiting in line to mail a package.
 
2014-04-27 05:58:21 PM  
Cops are scum.  That said, if they are smoking cigars and playing cards, that doesn't really bother me.  As long as they're not shooting dogs and arresting people for pot or sticking brooms up people's rectums.
 
2014-04-27 06:38:59 PM  

CruiserTwelve: I've head cops rationalize such behavior by pointing out that firefighters get to sleep on company time when they're not actively doing something. Not sure if I agree with that or not.


Firefighters also have a 24 hour shift.  Cops do not.
 
2014-04-27 06:54:09 PM  

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: I'm more outraged at the post office workers who sit around "on break" when there are 30 people waiting in line to mail a package.


I know it's annoying, but people need breaks.  Hopefully, however, you're not talking about them all taking a break at the same time effectively shutting the whole operation down.  That sort of shiat does need to go.

But staggered breaks?  I don't see a problem with that, even if there's already a line, when you need a break you need a break, and not taking one can make matters worse than they need be.  It's one thing if it's like, say, a diner where there are peak hours(so no breaks between 5 and 7pm), but some places like (some)post offices are plainly busy all day long.

The one exception, when there was a long line, but it's obviously not getting longer, finish the que then take your break, don't whittle it down to 3 people, then walk off on break making them get into another line.  That's just uncalled for.

Rigid break schedules have always gotten on my nerves, as an employee and as a customer.

That's what i like about some places that operate on lines, the smart one's that use lights to regulate what line people will form up behind.  If you know you're going on break, flip the light on, new customers get into another line and you can finish with the customers that are already waiting then go.
 
2014-04-27 07:23:02 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Frederick: AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?

My employer gives consent.  My employer is not funded with tax dollars.
I'm particular sensitive to hypocrisy (although it took me 4 tries to spell it *facepalm*), and think this criticism doesnt qualify as hypocrisy.  If it were city road construction crews sloughing off, I'd feel differently about it being hypocritical.

"I'm a taxpayer so I'm your boss"

Let me know how this line works out for you in real life. I'd love to see the video if it's at all possible.


Since you are the one saying it....you let me know.
 
2014-04-27 11:38:31 PM  

AndreMA: So are desk duty and pulling weeds in the flowerbeds at Town Hall, and the taxpayers get some value for money there.


Point well taken. My agency rarely uses "paid leave" to get a cop off the street. We have plenty of desk jobs they can be assigned to. Don't know why Phoenix chose to pay these guys for nothing instead of having them help out at the impound lot or something. Maybe it's a contract thing.
 
2014-04-27 11:39:44 PM  

AeAe: Cops are scum.


Some are but most are not.
 
2014-04-28 06:07:37 PM  

Frederick: Cerebral Ballsy: Frederick: AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile we're all reading Fark at work and no one seems to give a shiat about that. I guess double standards and hypocrisy is still okay, eh subby?

My employer gives consent.  My employer is not funded with tax dollars.
I'm particular sensitive to hypocrisy (although it took me 4 tries to spell it *facepalm*), and think this criticism doesnt qualify as hypocrisy.  If it were city road construction crews sloughing off, I'd feel differently about it being hypocritical.

"I'm a taxpayer so I'm your boss"

Let me know how this line works out for you in real life. I'd love to see the video if it's at all possible.

Since you are the one saying it....you let me know.


I was paraphrasing, but really my sentiment was: no one gives a shiat if you're a taxpayer, you're not their boss. I get it, they're lazy. But it's not your town, you don't even pay taxes to support them.
 
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