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(The Daily Caller)   Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers   (dailycaller.com) divider line 303
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2014-04-26 11:12:45 PM  
Well I'm offend that they are using a "ph" instead of a "f" when spelling fiesta.
 
2014-04-26 11:35:32 PM  

dennysgod: Well I'm offend that they are using a "ph" instead of a "f" when spelling fiesta.



Welcome to Phark.
 
2014-04-26 11:35:41 PM  
I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting
 
2014-04-26 11:40:08 PM  
I'm offended that they're offended.
 
2014-04-26 11:52:01 PM  
I'm white and I use it. After growing up in PR, being engaged to a Colombian, working around 50% Mexicans, etc., I've more than earned the right. To these idiots: callete tu pinche hocico, y chingale!

Does this rule count for Argentinians, then? Most of the population of Argentina is white, so essentially you're saying they can't use their own language. Babones.
 
2014-04-26 11:54:30 PM  

Kit Fister: Is one still considered racist if one basically has no respect for anyone and doesn't care about offending any particular group?


It depends, of course, on what group YOU are in.  There is no objective measure.
 
2014-04-27 12:02:41 AM  

Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.


I'm Irish, born on St. Patrick's Day, and have no problem with people calling it St. Paddy's Day without knowing that Paddy is an anti-Irish term. And I watch 'It's Always Sunny' and could care less the bar on the show is named Paddy's. Paddy wagon? No prob. Fighting Irish? Could care less.
 
2014-04-27 12:08:39 AM  

kling_klang_bed: St. Paddy's Day without knowing that Paddy is an anti-Irish term.


I always thought it was the diminutive of Padraig, no more, no less.
 
2014-04-27 12:21:27 AM  

ko_kyi: kling_klang_bed: St. Paddy's Day without knowing that Paddy is an anti-Irish term.

I always thought it was the diminutive of Padraig, no more, no less.


No clue on that one.
 
2014-04-27 01:03:14 AM  

inspectorxer0: I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting


oh really?

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-27 01:06:06 AM  
Thought it was strange, after moving to NM, the highest percentage Hispanic state in the union, and asked about cinco de mayo,expecting a big blow out. Coworkers told me it is recognized here, but not in the batshiat kind of way like other states.I thought that was strange. In Texas, any day is a good reason to get borracho. Fiesta is going on right now, but to me the prices of the beers keep going up, and the cups get smaller. Better now to drink somewhere else, save the money, and milling around the throngs.
 
2014-04-27 01:12:49 AM  

CygnusDarius: orbister: Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.

It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.

I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.

I see humans equally in that regard. The whole ethnic/cultural thing to me reeks of Eugenics, mixed in with Xenophobia. To be fair, I wish we could just dump all this and the the global Ramones/Daft Punk/KISS/Beastie Boys/P-Funk party started.


Agreed. Apart from being a commercial qualifier in the industry that breeds cats, dogs and horses, race does not exist. It has no scientific backing. There isn't even a subspecies - we humans fark too much and much too easily for that.
 
2014-04-27 01:19:19 AM  

Frederick: inspectorxer0: I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting

oh really?

[img.fark.net image 196x258]


The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Corsican.  Half-French and still Lost.

Ringo had it right:

"In the two hundred plus years of our country, we have been involved in wars with the French several times," Weaver said reluctantly. "All of them as allies and all but one to our net detriment. Basically, Mr. President, every time the French get involved in anything, they tend to do more damage to their allies than to their enemies. Examples redound but Vietnam, the War on Terror and World Wars One and Two all come to mind."
"In fact, Mr. President, there was significant discussion of what to do on the way back," Spectre finally admitted. "And the last time we can recall the U.S. benefiting from having the French involved with us was in the Revolution."
"Which, I'd like to add, was when they were under the Bourbons," First Sergeant Powell pointed out. "So, basically, if they're willing to bring back the aristos, we'll think about it. Otherwise, our recommendation is that they be excluded
."
 
2014-04-27 01:25:16 AM  
Of course, the real disgrace here is that Miss You're-Insulting-My-Heritage doesn't seem to care that the "fiesta" was a CHARITY EVENT, with the proceeds going to a cardiac care clinic. If it had been merely a typical sombrero-wearing tequila-drinking frat party she might (barely) have had a point; but this was a fundraising event. Which was canceled because the "proud first generation Hispanic woman of color" decided to throw a hissy fit over her culture being appropriated, and the evil white racist college folded like a cheap lawn chair and felt it was better to coddle the tender feelings of one aggrieved junior than to raise money for a worthwhile cause.

Now, if it hadn't been called a "fiesta" (or a "phiesta", whatever that may be) and was MERELY a fundraising event which featured pina coladas, guacamole, burritos and salsa, would Senorita Hernandez have been equally upset that they were eating her special ethnic food without the proper reverence, or are us white folks now restricted to biscuits and gravy like the crackers we are?
 
2014-04-27 01:29:37 AM  

meyerkev: Animatronik: I think the fact that they had to cancel this party is evidence of an intolerant climate at Dartmouth. I already told my kid not to bother applying to Columbia, now we can add Dartmouth to the list. And of course the schools rep for drunkenness and debauchery and lack of respect for women has actually caused applications to drop.

/ of course my kid can go wherever, it's a question of what I'll pay for.

You should've crossed them off a while ago.   http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579479501 134392562 - Fark does not like WSJ.  Google "Oppressed by the Ivy League".
And of course, Claremont College:http://articles.latimes.com/2004/mar/18/local/me-claremont18
And University of Michigan is just crazy.

Look, every single liberal arts department is like this.  They're CRAZY.  End of story.

/Thank gods U of Michigan had a separate campus for engineering.  That way we didn't have to deal with BAMN.
//And then of course, because of mismatch theory, all of the elite kids were white and Asian.  Which was really funny.  "We are for diversity to the point where a black kid with a 2.5 is equal to a white kid with a 3.5" -> "shiat.  The black kids all dropped out because they were at the bottom of the class.  I wonder why".


Probably because insufferable asses like you made their lives miserable through being racists.
 
2014-04-27 01:38:45 AM  
What the hell is a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? I don't know anybody named a Cinco de Mayo, is he some kind of Mexican Senator... um... Mayor?
The hell I'll give to some mayor. Fund raisers ought to be for common folk. I'm not playing your conservative games.

Oh, the ice has melted in my rum and cola... and there is no rum and cola.
 
2014-04-27 02:17:53 AM  

Snarfangel: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.


I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...

That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.



img.fark.net


Ay Caramba!

 
2014-04-27 02:29:44 AM  

Yes this is dog: Snarfangel: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.
I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...

That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.



Ay Caramba!


Nice find, YTID.
 
2014-04-27 02:40:17 AM  

ghare: meyerkev: Animatronik: I think the fact that they had to cancel this party is evidence of an intolerant climate at Dartmouth. I already told my kid not to bother applying to Columbia, now we can add Dartmouth to the list. And of course the schools rep for drunkenness and debauchery and lack of respect for women has actually caused applications to drop.

/ of course my kid can go wherever, it's a question of what I'll pay for.

You should've crossed them off a while ago.   http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579479501 134392562 - Fark does not like WSJ.  Google "Oppressed by the Ivy League".
And of course, Claremont College:http://articles.latimes.com/2004/mar/18/local/me-claremont18
And University of Michigan is just crazy.

Look, every single liberal arts department is like this.  They're CRAZY.  End of story.

/Thank gods U of Michigan had a separate campus for engineering.  That way we didn't have to deal with BAMN.
//And then of course, because of mismatch theory, all of the elite kids were white and Asian.  Which was really funny.  "We are for diversity to the point where a black kid with a 2.5 is equal to a white kid with a 3.5" -> "shiat.  The black kids all dropped out because they were at the bottom of the class.  I wonder why".

Probably because insufferable asses like you made their lives miserable through being racists.


I'm laughing at the people running the affirmative action scam.  

The point of mismatch theory is that the black kids who were prepared for Michigan went to Stanford or MIT or CMU or ?PI instead instead.

Whereas the kids who went to MIchigan got a full gradepoint (No joke.  Literal Supreme Court case about it back during the Bush Administration and when they went to holistic admissions, it didn't get any better, it just got less official).  And I don't care how good they were, they were unprepared. (On the average, as a whole. 1 or 2 notable exceptions)  If you're going into engineering and your first math class in college is pre-calculus because you didn't have it in high school, unprepared.  And since it's difficult to tell the difference between "bad schools, 2.5 GPA" and "Lacks ability, 2.5 GPA", a non-zero percentage (I'd say about 30%) of them honestly lacked the ability (Bright kids, just not #25 school in the country good).  Of course, since all of our classes were curved grading, and since whites got no preference and Asians got screwed, well, the ones who should have been at Stanford or the various good schools came to Michigan instead. Asians generally led the curve, whites rounded it out, and URM's failed in high numbers for absolutely no fault of their own.

The entire point of mismatch theory is that the preparation curve looks like this.  (Using the SAT as an admittedly imperfect proxy.  Oh, and it's old data but well, http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html).

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And then since everyone wants a bunch of minorities, they dig down deeper to get them.

No white or Asian kid without legacy parents or uncommon athletic or artistic ability has any shot at all at a top 20 school without a GPA of 4.0 or higher and SAT combined score over 1400.
According to the College Board, however, just 1500 African Americans scored 700 on either the Math or Reading SAT-which means almost certainly fewer than 1500 scored 700 on both.

The number of African Americans at the top 20 schools, using 2008 data (saved me looking up the individual common data sets), is 2,217.

Mind you, this isn't the problem.  Harvard wants to take 750-800 whites and 675-800 blacks, well, at least the top end matches, and it's at least technically possible to make that up.   The problem is that  since the kids whom the lower level would normally take don't exist because they're at Harvard, by the time you get really far down the chain:

At 35th ranked NYU, 34-42% of their admits received 700 or higher on the Math or Reading SAT, while only 12-14% of the students were accepted with scores below 600 on either section. It's probably just a coincidence that their Hispanic and black admits combined were 15%? So by 35th ranked NYU, they are reaching down into the 500s. Berkeley, at #21, accepts 3-5% of students with scores in the 400s,

So these kids waltz into class unprepared and below the median, missing critical background information, get graded on a curve, fail, and then drop out.  Or eek through with a B-/C+ average somehow.  Seriously, they do WORSE than they would have at a regular school.   http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth - about-affirmative-action/263122/ - "The student who would flourish at, say, Wake Forest, instead finds himself at Duke, where the professors are not teaching at a pace designed for him"

And if you think that's wrong, well, the net effect of any one school that isn't HYPS removing racial preferences is to remove almost all racial minorities from their student body. At which point the accreditation body will go "WTF?"   Because the kids who are actually of equal preparedness are getting offers from schools one or two levels up the food-chain, and going there instead.  (And then failing or ending up at the bottom of the class in large numbers).

/Seriously, those kids were about as unprepared for Michigan as I was when I missed the first semester of 4th grade Spanish.  Didn't learn a word for 3 years until they started over from scratch in 7th grade.  Not surprised that those kids ended up being completely out of their depth.
 
2014-04-27 03:00:20 AM  

Wangiss: Yes this is dog: Snarfangel: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.
I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...

That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.

Ay Caramba!

Nice find, YTID.


Thank you, and in retrospect, I'm very glad I had Safe Search on when GISing 'pink mayonnaise.'
 
2014-04-27 03:45:00 AM  
The complaining biatch better never celebrate a holiday that isn't specific to her nationality or belief structure, name her child anything that is out of normality for her ethnic background, or say any/write any words that do not directly originate from her native land, or else I'm gonna sue.

/am I doing it right?
 
2014-04-27 04:45:45 AM  
I think they should reschedule the party, just call it "Party" and serve exactly the same food and raise exactly the same funds for exactly the same charity.  It's like when Americans used to (I don't know if they still do) freak out in early 2000s and around Obama's election period when they heard that people went to "Madrassas" (DUM DUM DAAAAAAHHHH).  It's just a word for school.  Obama went to a School.  Maybe he learned some Islam while there but that's pretty normal, just like it's still normal for government schools in england to include some CofE teachings.  So yeah, Party.  Not Phiesta if that's racist.  Sounds like good food.
 
2014-04-27 05:07:13 AM  

a flying monkey made me do it: I think they should reschedule the party, just call it "Party" and serve exactly the same food and raise exactly the same funds for exactly the same charity.  It's like when Americans used to (I don't know if they still do) freak out in early 2000s and around Obama's election period when they heard that people went to "Madrassas" (DUM DUM DAAAAAAHHHH).  It's just a word for school.  Obama went to a School.  Maybe he learned some Islam while there but that's pretty normal, just like it's still normal for government schools in england to include some CofE teachings.  So yeah, Party.  Not Phiesta if that's racist.  Sounds like good food.


NO! It cant happen now cuz finals and it has to be this biatches fault!

/goodnight
 
2014-04-27 05:29:57 AM  

a flying monkey made me do it: So yeah, Party.  Not Phiesta if that's racist.  Sounds like good food.


Maybe they could have a soirée and piss of that one French student.
 
2014-04-27 06:20:18 AM  

meyerkev: Frederick: inspectorxer0: I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting

oh really?

[img.fark.net image 196x258]

The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Corsican.  Half-French and still Lost.

Ringo had it right:

"In the two hundred plus years of our country, we have been involved in wars with the French several times," Weaver said reluctantly. "All of them as allies and all but one to our net detriment. Basically, Mr. President, every time the French get involved in anything, they tend to do more damage to their allies than to their enemies. Examples redound but Vietnam, the War on Terror and World Wars One and Two all come to mind."
"In fact, Mr. President, there was significant discussion of what to do on the way back," Spectre finally admitted. "And the last time we can recall the U.S. benefiting from having the French involved with us was in the Revolution."
"Which, I'd like to add, was when they were under the Bourbons," First Sergeant Powell pointed out. "So, basically, if they're willing to bring back the aristos, we'll think about it. Otherwise, our recommendation is that they be excluded."


Wait. You lost Vietnam, and you still want to point the finger elsewhere for that?! Words fail me.
 
2014-04-27 06:38:02 AM  
As other people have pointed out, Cinco de Mayo is a MEXICAN-AMERICAN holiday. It started in the United States, and then spread down to Mexico where it never really took off in the same way. It is a quintessentially American holiday, like Thanksgiving and President's day, though definitely between those two in popularity. It just started with the Mexican-American community and spread to the rest of the country, because unlike President's day, it became associated with food and booze. If you want to be a successful holiday in the US, you have to have at least one of three things, tons of booze, tons of candy, or tons of food. Because Fourth of July doesn't have quite the food or booze quotient of Thanksgiving or St. Patrick's day it has to make up for it with fireworks or it won't stay popular, even though it's our national holiday. It also helps if you have something for the marketing people to latch on to and be able to sell you. When you try to have a respectful, thoughtful, less commercial holiday all about culture you end up with Kwanzaa.

Her idea would do nothing but kill it as a holiday, which hardly seems fair to the rest of Mexican-Americans. They're a big portion of the US population, they should have the chance to have a holiday where everyone eats their ethnic food/drink and gets shiatfaced, just like the Irish and Germans do. It's how they can tell they've arrived.

Also, following her logic, would she try to stop recently immigrated asians from celebrating Christmas because they don't have it in their country?
 
2014-04-27 08:28:09 AM  

Truther: The world is going insane...


The world went insane a long time ago.  It is like there are only so many IQ points to go around, and the higher the population goes, the less there are to be divvied up.
 
2014-04-27 09:17:27 AM  

ambercat: As other people have pointed out, Cinco de Mayo is a MEXICAN-AMERICAN holiday. It started in the United States, and then spread down to Mexico where it never really took off in the same way. It is a quintessentially American holiday, like Thanksgiving and President's day, though definitely between those two in popularity. It just started with the Mexican-American community and spread to the rest of the country, because unlike President's day, it became associated with food and booze. If you want to be a successful holiday in the US, you have to have at least one of three things, tons of booze, tons of candy, or tons of food. Because Fourth of July doesn't have quite the food or booze quotient of Thanksgiving or St. Patrick's day it has to make up for it with fireworks or it won't stay popular, even though it's our national holiday. It also helps if you have something for the marketing people to latch on to and be able to sell you. When you try to have a respectful, thoughtful, less commercial holiday all about culture you end up with Kwanzaa.

Her idea would do nothing but kill it as a holiday, which hardly seems fair to the rest of Mexican-Americans. They're a big portion of the US population, they should have the chance to have a holiday where everyone eats their ethnic food/drink and gets shiatfaced, just like the Irish and Germans do. It's how they can tell they've arrived.

Also, following her logic, would she try to stop recently immigrated asians from celebrating Christmas because they don't have it in their country?


Da fuq?   I drink way more on 4th of july than thanksgiving...   The 4th of july is alcahol combined with explosives...   Thanksgiving is food, sports, and less alcohol due to all the farking food.
 
2014-04-27 09:23:54 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: meyerkev: Frederick: inspectorxer0: I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting

oh really?

[img.fark.net image 196x258]

The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Corsican.  Half-French and still Lost.

Ringo had it right:

"In the two hundred plus years of our country, we have been involved in wars with the French several times," Weaver said reluctantly. "All of them as allies and all but one to our net detriment. Basically, Mr. President, every time the French get involved in anything, they tend to do more damage to their allies than to their enemies. Examples redound but Vietnam, the War on Terror and World Wars One and Two all come to mind."
"In fact, Mr. President, there was significant discussion of what to do on the way back," Spectre finally admitted. "And the last time we can recall the U.S. benefiting from having the French involved with us was in the Revolution."
"Which, I'd like to add, was when they were under the Bourbons," First Sergeant Powell pointed out. "So, basically, if they're willing to bring back the aristos, we'll think about it. Otherwise, our recommendation is that they be excluded."

Wait. You lost Vietnam, and you still want to point the finger elsewhere for that?! Words fail me.


I blame the Vitchy French
 
2014-04-27 09:30:20 AM  
I've said it a million times, and it seems that I need to say it again:

RACIAL INSENSITIVITY != RACISM.

Racism - The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.  When organized into large groups of people, it can lead to mass murder, genocide.

Insensitivity - The inability to respond to affective changes in your interpersonal environment.  When organized into large groups of people, it can lead to stupidity, assholeishness.
 
2014-04-27 10:06:27 AM  
i1282.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-27 10:15:15 AM  

fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.


Replaced with 3 layers of moonbat derp.
 
2014-04-27 10:31:44 AM  
Maul555:
Da fuq?   I drink way more on 4th of july than thanksgiving...   The 4th of july is alcahol combined with explosives...   Thanksgiving is food, sports, and less alcohol due to all the farking food.

You need to reorganize your Thanksgiving priorities.  Booze first then tamp it down with all the delicious foods.  Sports can wait.  Add another layer of booze during the sports.  It's like stomach lasagna.
 
2014-04-27 11:24:42 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Misconduc: White person celebrates Cinco de Mayo = racist
White person celebrates MLK JR day = racist
White person celebrates Christmas = racist
White person celebrates St. Patricks day = racist

I would add Thanksgiving, because the Indians are still pissed off over it, but they have casinos now so they don't care.

I wonder if the Italians are pissed at that Austrian Mozart guy for cultural appropriation of opera.



They certainly did not see it coming. Those Austrian guys tend to move with lightning speed.
 
2014-04-27 11:48:56 AM  

a flying monkey made me do it: Maul555:
Da fuq?   I drink way more on 4th of july than thanksgiving...   The 4th of july is alcahol combined with explosives...   Thanksgiving is food, sports, and less alcohol due to all the farking food.

You need to reorganize your Thanksgiving priorities.  Booze first then tamp it down with all the delicious foods.  Sports can wait.  Add another layer of booze during the sports.  It's like stomach lasagna.


No can do... I dont control the time we eat, and if I want to booze it up first, I would have to start first thing in the morning and then risk throwing up my thanksgiving meal in addition to other possible negative consequences...   Its a family event for crhists sake!   im not partying with my friends like on the 4th ^^
 
2014-04-27 12:32:49 PM  

Rincewind53: fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.

Man, they had a "crips and bloods" themed party the year before? Yeaaaaaaaaaaah that's racist as shiat.


Are you being sarcastic or stupid?
 
2014-04-27 01:03:14 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.

Is University of Phoenix embarrassing to attend if you actually live in Phoenix?


Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years.  They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going.  They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.

Gen X could barely afford it, Gen Y and Z and millennials are opting out in greater numbers because it's just not affordable.  The entire system makes no sense.

If I had it to do over again, I would get a University of Phoenix degree without a second thought.  And much like the stigma of online dating has dissipated over the last ten years, the stigma of online college is also dissipating.  I would hire someone from University of Phoenix.
 
2014-04-27 01:07:27 PM  

Witness99: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.

Is University of Phoenix embarrassing to attend if you actually live in Phoenix?

Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years.  They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going.  They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.

Gen X could barely afford it, Gen Y and Z and millennials are opting out in greater numbers because it's just not affordable.  The entire system makes no sense.

If I had it to do over again, I would get a University of Phoenix degree without a second thought.  And much like the stigma of online dating has dissipated over the last ten years, the stigma of online college is also dissipating.  I would hire someone from University of Phoenix.


Having a UoP degree on your CV is a very easy way to end up in my circular file. I need engineers that can communicate in the real world not sit online all day and play World of Warcraft.
 
2014-04-27 01:12:44 PM  

Witness99: Gen X could barely afford it, Gen Y and Z and millennials are opting out in greater numbers because it's just not affordable.  The entire system makes no sense.


Good.

College should be for the top 20% or so, where they get 4 years of really directed training at whatever they're going to do.  (So say what you will about STEM, but those were 3 years of really good training, and 1 year of BS liberal arts classes.  And since I know someone's going to say it, we don't know how to teach people to learn how to learn, and there were easy pass courses that were either "Engineering courses under the Philosophy Banner" or "Complete Joke class because you're too busy to come to class with your 3 other classes")

If you need to do all those middle jobs, we need a better certification and low-level training process, NOT 4 years of college at ruinous cost.

/And then of course, we have no idea what to do with IQ's below 95 or so in the next few decades, but *shrug*.
 
2014-04-27 01:43:39 PM  

Fafai: Fafai: Bob Robert: Fafai: Bob Robert: Bob Robert: Now you're just playing dumb and naive...

And I can go on to page 2 and beyond if you want more proof.

"More" proof? You still have yet to prove that anyone was calling "everyone else" the real racist. I saw accusations toward groups of being whiny, easily offended, entitled, but not "the real racists". A couple of those comments were borderling racist sure but that's not the same as turning it around and crying racism.


Repeating your question with even more anger after I proved it wrong with quotes is not going to win you any debate competitions.  Cut your losses and admit defeat.

You didn't prove shiat. No-one called non-whites racist.

in debate competitions I'm pretty sure people have to back up how their quotes and sources are relevant to their claims instead of just blindly quoting anything they hope will somehow stick.



Blindly quoting the actual claims where posters cry about how everyone else is the real racist is not proving my point... you sitting here crying how "I read the entire thread and nobody said anything close to that" even after I proved it wrong is how real winnars debate.
 
2014-04-27 01:47:00 PM  

Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.

They pay taxes. Keep up.


Do you know how public schools are funded? I didn't think so.

By taxes. We've been over this. Have you ever been to Manhattan?


By taxes isn't specific enough. Keep trying. Have you ever been to a class room?

Sure. You must be pretending all public schools are elementary schools under the tax-by-district system about which you assume I'm ignorant.


I don't have to assume, I know. The only debate tactic you have used here is NO U. The rich dodge taxes, pay rates of 15-20% instead of over 35, and push through property tax schemes like Prop 13 in California.

Your only response so far has been "New York City!" You are ignorant.
 
2014-04-27 01:49:55 PM  

meyerkev: So these kids waltz into class unprepared and below the median, missing critical background information, get graded on a curve, fail, and then drop out. Or eek through with a B-/C+ average somehow. Seriously, they do WORSE than they would have at a regular school.


Affirmative Action is bad because it gives kids from disadvantaged backgrounds a better chance, and they are unprepared because their high schools are awful, so that means the admissions system for college is bad, not that their high schools are not preparing enough of them. Conservative "logic" in action.
 
2014-04-27 02:34:54 PM  

lacydog: Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.

Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali

That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.


I have to ask, though--why  not? If it's hurting the culture we obviously shouldn't do it, of course, but remixing Cinco de Mayo or St. Patrick's Day? That's the sort of thing people have done throughout history. It's why we call cooked cow 'beef' instead of 'cow'.  Every culture does it (although I only really know the English-linguistic examples, hi, I'm a ridiculously specific nerd), so is that in and of itself wrong? If so, what is 'pure' culture? If not, what is the acceptable way to borrow?

/No, I'm serious, this is something I completely don't get.
 
2014-04-27 02:54:53 PM  

Witness99: Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years. They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going. They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.


Brick and Mortar Universities have been around for over a thousand years.  They aren't going to disappear because of the Internet.  The Information Age and debt may force changes in the modern university model, but there will always be a place for the Universities themselves.
 
2014-04-27 04:31:32 PM  

Witness99: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.

Is University of Phoenix embarrassing to attend if you actually live in Phoenix?

Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years.  They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going.  They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.

Gen X could barely afford it, Gen Y and Z and millennials are opting out in greater numbers because it's just not affordable.  The entire system makes no sense.

If I had it to do over again, I would get a University of Phoenix degree without a second thought.  And much like the stigma of online dating has dissipated over the last ten years, the stigma of online college is also dissipating.  I would hire someone from University of Phoenix.


I graduated that way because I had to nurse my wife in illness. I'm the richest of my peers and I have my company by the nuts for job security. It's just part of the out-crowd for the academic tribe. Because (1) it's a threat and (2) enough graduates do in fact Suck to perpetuate the stereotype. But the same goes for thousands of institutions of higher learning.
 
2014-04-27 04:35:29 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.

They pay taxes. Keep up.


Do you know how public schools are funded? I didn't think so.

By taxes. We've been over this. Have you ever been to Manhattan?


By taxes isn't specific enough. Keep trying. Have you ever been to a class room?

Sure. You must be pretending all public schools are elementary schools under the tax-by-district system about which you assume I'm ignorant.

I don't have to assume, I know. The only debate tactic you have used here is NO U. The rich dodge taxes, pay rates of 15-20% instead of over 35, and push through property tax schemes like Prop 13 in California.

Your only response so far has been "New York City!" You are ignorant.


I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.
 
2014-04-27 05:10:11 PM  

Wangiss: I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.


Well that is great news then, everyone go to a charter school! I love this plan, it is well thought out and intelligent.
 
2014-04-27 05:13:25 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.

Well that is great news then, everyone go to a charter school! I love this plan, it is well thought out and intelligent.


It was indeed a very well thought-out and intelligent plan and expanding the school's model would fix myriad problems, especially for the poor. But it would be bad for entrenched interests, so it won't happen.
 
2014-04-27 05:28:16 PM  

Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.

Well that is great news then, everyone go to a charter school! I love this plan, it is well thought out and intelligent.

It was indeed a very well thought-out and intelligent plan and expanding the school's model would fix myriad problems, especially for the poor. But it would be bad for entrenched interests, so it won't happen.



Now that time has caught up with charter schools, they are nothing like the savior that some people have pretended they would be. I am sorry you were never taught basic logic and common sense in school. That is what happens when someone is so one dimensional and only cares about enriching themselves so they can think they are better than everyone else.
 
2014-04-27 06:14:27 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.

Well that is great news then, everyone go to a charter school! I love this plan, it is well thought out and intelligent.

It was indeed a very well thought-out and intelligent plan and expanding the school's model would fix myriad problems, especially for the poor. But it would be bad for entrenched interests, so it won't happen.


Now that time has caught up with charter schools, they are nothing like the savior that some people have pretended they would be. I am sorry you were never taught basic logic and common sense in school. That is what happens when someone is so one dimensional and only cares about enriching themselves so they can think they are better than everyone else.


Your prejudice is hilarious. I enrich a lot of people. The charter school I attended is still doing very well and has spun off many other successful schools. It's not as one-dimensional as you make it out to be. Is there some reason you want to believe a new model can't work?

Also, I was doing geometric proofs at age nine, so spare me your Logic Supremacy. If you can point out a formal or even an informal fallacy in anything I've written so far, I'll be impressed.
 
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