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(The Daily Caller)   Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers   (dailycaller.com) divider line 303
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2014-04-26 06:36:42 PM  

CygnusDarius: Moopy Mac: Danger Avoid Death: She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States ...


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On behalf of my Irish great-grandparents and St. Patrick's Day, I'd just like to tell this coont to STFU.

Oh and ...

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The Girl in the article has a slightly better case because Mexicans actually added some value to American culture.

And then you had to create Taco Bell.


Still better than Bennigans.
 
2014-04-26 06:36:59 PM  
I only have fêtes and soirees and maybe the odd summer shindig.
 
2014-04-26 06:38:03 PM  
I must live in an entirely racist city since the largest city-wide festival of the year, simply called Fiesta, is going on now.  No one celebrates cinco de mayo though.
 
2014-04-26 06:38:06 PM  

Lorelle: Lenny_da_Hog: I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?

I and most brown people I know despise Taco Hell. It's pseudo-Mexican food for people who don't know any better are in a hurry or drunk.


FTFY. Seriously, no one thinks Taco Bell is real Mexican food.
 
2014-04-26 06:38:15 PM  
The self-proclaimed "Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color"

so many labels... but of course, we're all the same.

coont.
 
2014-04-26 06:39:20 PM  

CygnusDarius: Lenny_da_Hog: Lorelle: Lenny_da_Hog: I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?

I and most brown people I know despise Taco Hell. It's pseudo-Mexican food for people who don't know any better.

In other words, it's cultural appropriation that cheapens the culture it was stolen from?

It's an affront to the digestive system.


This. And those damned chihuahua commercials were offensive.
 
2014-04-26 06:40:11 PM  

Rincewind53: The "dressing in ponchos/sombreros" thing  is racist, I agree. That's appropriating a specific cultural tradition ...


So which is it - race or culture?
 
2014-04-26 06:41:23 PM  
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2014-04-26 06:41:58 PM  
White people are arseholes. I'm still waiting on 40 white woman for Dule Hill.

I wonder if the party planners try to talk to Ms. Sandy Va jay and she said no.
 
2014-04-26 06:42:33 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: The "dressing in ponchos/sombreros" thing  is racist, I agree. That's appropriating a specific cultural tradition ...

So which is it - race or culture?


That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.
 
2014-04-26 06:42:43 PM  

fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.


Yes, lets get right down the the left wing derping.
 
2014-04-26 06:42:44 PM  
I was in Mexico for work a few years ago and my wife was able to wrangle her way in because her company had lost some barges on the Culiacán River (she works for one of the ABCD oil processing companies)  In case you're wondering, the ABCD companies are ADM (Archer Daniels Midland), Bunge, Cargill and Dreyfus (to which Julia Louis-Dreyfus of Seinfeld is a multi-millionaire heiress).

Anyways, my work was finished and we went to Sinaloa where the river begins so she could talk with the local company rep and find out the entire story.  It seems that after the barges were unloaded at the oil processing plant, they were headed back upriver when there was a nighttime collision with bridge piling.  The captain basically unhooked the tow from the barge string and just continued on his way.  The barges were damaged but slowly filling with water.  After figuring that the a salvage operation in the relatively uninhabited area would not be cost effective, her managers told her to scrap them, donate them or do whatever it took to get rid of them.

She approached the mayor of a local village and asked if they would like them.  Her company would have them pulled to the bank, emptied and air lifted to their village where they could use them as housing, shelters, a community center or whatever they wanted to do with them. He turned around, looked her in the eye and said

Barges?
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Barges?
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www.rudebadmood.com
We Don't Need No Sinkin' Barges
 
2014-04-26 06:43:14 PM  

Lorelle: This. And those damned chihuahua commercials were offensive.


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Chai-huwa-huwa?
 
2014-04-26 06:44:14 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: The "dressing in ponchos/sombreros" thing  is racist, I agree. That's appropriating a specific cultural tradition ...

So which is it - race or culture?


Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...
 
2014-04-26 06:45:11 PM  
First generation woman of color?

Wtf
 
2014-04-26 06:45:57 PM  
As a Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color ...

That must have come as a bit of a surprise to her parents.
 
2014-04-26 06:49:07 PM  
www.alipac.us

msnbcmedia3.msn.com

/fiesta!
 
2014-04-26 06:49:48 PM  
This isn't going to go over too well here in San Antonio.....

http://www.fiesta-sa.org/
 
2014-04-26 06:51:02 PM  

Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...


Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.
 
2014-04-26 06:51:05 PM  
Problems arose because a single student, junior Daniela Hernandez, was offended by the party's theme of "Phiesta."

Too farking bad.

The self-proclaimed "Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color" declared in an angry email that "there are various problematic structures and ideologies regarding a Cinco de Mayo-inspired event," according to Campus Reform.

Yea? Where's your green card? Or did your momma birth you in some godforsaken desert so you can weigh like the anchor baby you are, weighing this country down?

/I'll give you something to get pissy about, puta
 
2014-04-26 06:51:19 PM  
The self-proclaimed "Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color"

Could be undocumented.  Get ICE on it and she'll find out what institutional racism is like.
 
2014-04-26 06:52:26 PM  
Once again, no matter how many times you say it, trying to convince others it's true, still doesn't make it a race.
 
2014-04-26 06:53:34 PM  

cchris_39: First generation woman of color?

Wtf


Don't think too hard. "Person of color" doesn't really mean anything anyway. It's more of a parroted rallying cry for unthinking racist assholes. "Take me seriously, or you're a racist!"
 
2014-04-26 06:54:20 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.


Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.
 
2014-04-26 06:56:18 PM  

Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.


It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.
 
2014-04-26 06:57:06 PM  
Maybe Mexico could get even by celebrating the 4th of July by wearing fat-suits and bad colonial outfits, eating fast food, and sitting in front of the TV drinking really cheap beer.
 
2014-04-26 06:57:35 PM  

Rincewind53: You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.


Say, wait, isn't that American culture?  Why yes it is.  Shouldn't we be offended?
 
2014-04-26 06:57:42 PM  

orbister: Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.

It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.


I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...
 
2014-04-26 06:58:39 PM  

Rincewind53: Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.


Is it racist for them to wear serapes instead?
 
2014-04-26 06:59:31 PM  
We're in the middle of 18 days of Fiesta, right now between the Battle of Flowers and Fiesta Flambeau. So I'm getting a kick out of Dartmouth floundering with how to party.
 
2014-04-26 07:00:53 PM  

Rincewind53: I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...


Different nationalities, yes. But the idea that the Spanish, the Catalans, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians and so on are different races is just absurd. Perhaps its because we have more national identities here that we don't need racial allegiances in the same way.
 
2014-04-26 07:02:43 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...

Different nationalities, yes. But the idea that the Spanish, the Catalans, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians and so on are different races is just absurd. Perhaps its because we have more national identities here that we don't need racial allegiances in the same way.


Pretty much. Americans really don't have anything similar to Flanders and Wallonia, for example. We draw our sense of historical pride from the vague regions that our ancestors came from, and invented old-country traditions.
 
2014-04-26 07:02:53 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.

Is it racist for them to wear serapes instead?


Depends, is it white Mexicans wearing the serapes or Mayan Mexicans? I'm sure there's at least a few folks south of the border willing to be offended.
 
2014-04-26 07:04:52 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...

Different nationalities, yes. But the idea that the Spanish, the Catalans, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians and so on are different races is just absurd. Perhaps its because we have more national identities here that we don't need racial allegiances in the same way.


I should add, in America we  definitely used to think of different European cultures as different races. It was very standard in the 19th century and through a large part of the 20th to think of Italians as a different race than Germans, for example. Hell, look at the whole "Hun" metaphor that Americans used in reference to German aggression; they were portrayed as a different race than their counterparts. It's somewhat shocking to read Mark Twain's "An Innocent Abroad" and read a segment where he very casually talks about how lazy the Portugese race is, for example.
 
2014-04-26 07:06:17 PM  
So to sum things up.

White people = Help i'm being oppressed.

Got it.
 
2014-04-26 07:06:26 PM  

orbister: Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.

It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.


I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.

I see humans equally in that regard. The whole ethnic/cultural thing to me reeks of Eugenics, mixed in with Xenophobia. To be fair, I wish we could just dump all this and the the global Ramones/Daft Punk/KISS/Beastie Boys/P-Funk party started.
 
2014-04-26 07:07:56 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Maybe Mexico could get even by celebrating the 4th of July by wearing fat-suits and bad colonial outfits, eating fast food, and sitting in front of the TV drinking really cheap beer.


We're kind of getting there.

/getting a gut myself
//I blame my lack of self-control when in front of pasties
 
2014-04-26 07:09:01 PM  
I wonder if excessively thin skin is a genetic defect, or does one have to be trained to be easily offended? It is tough on us old folks when the words that offend keep getting changed.

"The simple fact is, offense is taken, not given," ~Ricky Gervais

http://www.rsdb.org/
 
2014-04-26 07:10:18 PM  

Phelon Hardtimes: So to sum things up.

White people = Help i'm being oppressed.

Got it.


I don't think that is an accurate summary.
 
2014-04-26 07:10:46 PM  

CygnusDarius: I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.

I see humans equally in that regard. The whole ethnic/cultural thing to me reeks of Eugenics, mixed in with Xenophobia. To be fair, I wish we could just dump all this and the the global Ramones/Daft Punk/KISS/Beastie Boys/P-Funk party started.


Like it or not, the concept of "race" is stuck with us, and we can't "dump" it until we've actually eliminated the barriers that exist for minorities in this country.
 
2014-04-26 07:11:35 PM  

Lorelle: Ooh...green.

Diogenes: *sigh*  I miss college.

Whenever I hear or read "Chi O," I'm reminded of this little ditty I learned in college some 30+ years ago:

[Sung to to the tune of Heigh-Ho]

Chi O, Chi O
It's off to bed we go
We paid our buck
We want our f*ck
Chi O, Chi O, Chi O, Chi O...


I know I'm late to this thread, but that's the same exact song we heard when I was in college.

/Louisville class of '01
//married an AOTT
///didn't join a frat
 
2014-04-26 07:11:50 PM  

Rincewind53: I should add, in America we  definitely used to think of different European cultures as different races. It was very standard in the 19th century and through a large part of the 20th to think of Italians as a different race than Germans, for example. Hell, look at the whole "Hun" metaphor that Americans used in reference to German aggression; they were portrayed as a different race than their counterparts. It's somewhat shocking to read Mark Twain's "An Innocent Abroad" and read a segment where he very casually talks about how lazy the Portugese race is, for example.


I have somewhere a grammar of the Cornish language, published around 110 years ago, the introduction of which says that the native Britons were cowards who hid from the Romans, and that this explains the "peculiar moral and physical characteristics of the Midlands working classes".
 
2014-04-26 07:11:51 PM  

Solid State Vittles: I wonder if a Greek-American student could tear the whole Dartmouth fraternity and sorority system down by expressing his/her offense over the use of Greek letters for organizations that don't even have actual Greek students? Someone needs to try it. That would be hilarious.


Would be as funny as when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....
 
2014-04-26 07:12:33 PM  

Relatively Obscure: The tone of the article leads me to find it suspect.

On the other hand, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised that a college kid group bowed to the complaints of another college kid or whatever.

So.. meh.  Nobody even outlawed the party, that I can tell.  They just decided not to do it because someone complained.  So, yeah, it's "official" that white people can't say fiesta.


Fiesta.
/Fiesta.


Its the remix with the homie from the Midwest ah...

Fiesta, fiesta.
 
2014-04-26 07:14:05 PM  

CygnusDarius: I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.


It's very odd, right enough. There is absolutely no scientifically valid definition of "race" in humans, and yet we spend a lot of time worrying about it.
 
2014-04-26 07:14:21 PM  
When words in another language are considered racist, only racists will use other languages.
 
2014-04-26 07:14:28 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: I should add, in America we  definitely used to think of different European cultures as different races. It was very standard in the 19th century and through a large part of the 20th to think of Italians as a different race than Germans, for example. Hell, look at the whole "Hun" metaphor that Americans used in reference to German aggression; they were portrayed as a different race than their counterparts. It's somewhat shocking to read Mark Twain's "An Innocent Abroad" and read a segment where he very casually talks about how lazy the Portugese race is, for example.

I have somewhere a grammar of the Cornish language, published around 110 years ago, the introduction of which says that the native Britons were cowards who hid from the Romans, and that this explains the "peculiar moral and physical characteristics of the Midlands working classes".


Hah! Yeah, the granularity of racism/bigotry in some places is astonishing. As an American, I'm always fascinated by how Britain managed to pack so many different cultures into one tiny island, and how many of those stark cultural boundaries still exist even today.
 
2014-04-26 07:15:10 PM  

Solid State Vittles: I wonder if a Greek-American student could tear the whole Dartmouth fraternity and sorority system down by expressing his/her offense over the use of Greek letters for organizations that don't even have actual Greek students? Someone needs to try it. That would be hilarious.


Cool story, bro.  When I was visiting colleges, one of the tours I went on (I can't remember which school, sigh), the tour guide kept going on and on about the greek life.  Greek people like to hang out here.  Greek people eat pizza there.  Nobody really seemed to care except for the one family that was visiting from Greece.
Later on in the tour, the mom asks, very earnest sounding, "so, you say there are a lot of Greek students here?" in a super thick accent.  Led to a nice awkward moment when Phi Delta Barbie tried to clarify what she meant and why they appropriated the Greek label.
 
2014-04-26 07:17:15 PM  

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: This isn't going to go over too well here in San Antonio.....

http://www.fiesta-sa.org/


www.fiestamart.com
 
2014-04-26 07:19:29 PM  
At Dartmouth the lunatics run the asylum.
 
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