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(The Daily Caller)   Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers   (dailycaller.com) divider line 303
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2014-04-26 04:16:17 PM  
I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.
 
2014-04-26 04:44:53 PM  
Would Alpha Fee's event have ended up like a similar event held by Penn State's Chi Os? The world will never know.

i.huffpost.com
 
2014-04-26 04:47:09 PM  
I used to own a white Fiesta.
 
2014-04-26 04:53:40 PM  

Lorelle: Would Alpha Fee's event have ended up like a similar event held by Penn State's Chi Os? The world will never know.

[i.huffpost.com image 850x509]


So many Dirty Sanchez's.
 
2014-04-26 04:54:24 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: I used to own a white Fiesta.


Nice cultural appropriation, Mr. Hate Crime!
 
2014-04-26 04:57:33 PM  
How dare you assume to know my chosen gender, Mr/Ms/Mrs/Mz Oppressor!
 
2014-04-26 05:00:58 PM  

Diogenes: Lorelle: Would Alpha Fee's event have ended up like a similar event held by Penn State's Chi Os? The world will never know.

[i.huffpost.com image 850x509]

So many Dirty Sanchez's.


I couldn't help noticing that a couple of those chicks are holding their fingers under their noses...are they trying to pretend that they're mustaches, or did they just pull their fingers out of their...
 
2014-04-26 05:02:30 PM  

Lorelle: Diogenes: Lorelle: Would Alpha Fee's event have ended up like a similar event held by Penn State's Chi Os? The world will never know.

[i.huffpost.com image 850x509]

So many Dirty Sanchez's.

I couldn't help noticing that a couple of those chicks are holding their fingers under their noses...are they trying to pretend that they're mustaches, or did they just pull their fingers out of their...


*sigh*  I miss college.
 
2014-04-26 05:11:52 PM  
Ooh...green.

Diogenes: *sigh*  I miss college.

Whenever I hear or read "Chi O," I'm reminded of this little ditty I learned in college some 30+ years ago:

[Sung to to the tune of Heigh-Ho]

Chi O, Chi O
It's off to bed we go
We paid our buck
We want our f*ck
Chi O, Chi O, Chi O, Chi O...
 
2014-04-26 05:17:02 PM  
¡Ay yi yi!
 
2014-04-26 05:45:01 PM  

Lorelle: Ooh...green.

Diogenes: *sigh*  I miss college.

Whenever I hear or read "Chi O," I'm reminded of this little ditty I learned in college some 30+ years ago:

[Sung to to the tune of Heigh-Ho]

Chi O, Chi O
It's off to bed we go
We paid our buck
We want our f*ck
Chi O, Chi O, Chi O, Chi O...


They were still singing that when I was in college 18 years ago.
 
2014-04-26 05:45:40 PM  
Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.
 
2014-04-26 05:46:49 PM  
 
2014-04-26 05:49:38 PM  

Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.


Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali
 
2014-04-26 05:50:51 PM  
I wonder if a Greek-American student could tear the whole Dartmouth fraternity and sorority system down by expressing his/her offense over the use of Greek letters for organizations that don't even have actual Greek students? Someone needs to try it. That would be hilarious.
 
2014-04-26 05:51:26 PM  

Shostie: Lorelle: Ooh...green.

Diogenes: *sigh*  I miss college.

Whenever I hear or read "Chi O," I'm reminded of this little ditty I learned in college some 30+ years ago:

[Sung to to the tune of Heigh-Ho]

Chi O, Chi O
It's off to bed we go
We paid our buck
We want our f*ck
Chi O, Chi O, Chi O, Chi O...

They were still singing that when I was in college 18 years ago.


Ditto.
 
2014-04-26 05:52:33 PM  

fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.


Man, they had a "crips and bloods" themed party the year before? Yeaaaaaaaaaaah that's racist as shiat.
 
2014-04-26 05:52:39 PM  

Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali


I'm a Danish Navajo, you don't see me carping about pastries or the Cleveland Indians.
 
2014-04-26 05:56:08 PM  

fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.


So your only point was to post another link to the exact same story? To show up how super cool you are? My gosh, grow up.

/yes, my only point was to ask if you had a point
//will not grow up
 
2014-04-26 05:56:25 PM  

Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.


This.
 
2014-04-26 05:56:27 PM  
All I know is that if Avril Lavgine is now a racist then the term has lost all meaning so I don't care who is and who is not racist anymore.
 
2014-04-26 05:56:55 PM  
Oh, God, what a puta.
 
2014-04-26 05:58:02 PM  

Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.


Cinco de Mayo festivities that celebrate all that is wonderful about Mexican culture are awesome. The promotion of negative stereotypes by some idiots does get on mah nerves, though.

/my family celebrates on that date only because it happens to be Younger Brother's birthday
 
2014-04-26 05:58:58 PM  
Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy
 
2014-04-26 05:59:10 PM  
It's not racist if you think all Latin American people are smelly Mexican illegals willing to work for pennies on the dollar doing jobs that no U.S. citizen would ever want if the only Latin American people you've ever interacted with are smelly Mexican illegals willing to work for pennies on the dollar ding jobs that no U.S. citizen would ever want.
 
2014-04-26 06:00:43 PM  
Sounds like somebody is "nitpicking" .
 
2014-04-26 06:00:53 PM  
The world is going insane...
 
2014-04-26 06:01:06 PM  

Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.


Whoah, there. A resume with University of Phoenix on it should not be set aside lightly.

It should be hurled, with great force, into a fireplace.
 
2014-04-26 06:01:37 PM  

AngryDragon: Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy


Nice!
 
2014-04-26 06:01:47 PM  
Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.

Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali


That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.
 
2014-04-26 06:04:12 PM  
Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

What real "problem" is to a lot of people.

Stop expecting everyone to worship non-stop at the alter of multiculturalism. Sometimes people want an festive excuse to get drunk with strangers and have fun. People have used holidays, real or made up, for this reason for ages. St. Patties, Day, Halloween, New Years, and yes Cinco de Mayo, among many others. Even Christmas parties are an excuse to get drunk and feel up your drunk secretary at an office party. Nobody is disrespecting your culture any more than they disrespect their own on other holidays. Who cares?
 
2014-04-26 06:04:53 PM  
So does Senorita Hernandez come to class dressed like this-
sd33.senate.ca.gov

or does she just shop at Walmart and commit 'cultural appropriation and the inappropriate usage of cultural clothing'?
 
2014-04-26 06:05:34 PM  

AngryDragon: Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy


Beat me to it. But yes you're right. That seems to be the overriding message a lot of these groups are really trying to say. And a lot of us are getting pretty damned tired of it.
 
2014-04-26 06:06:39 PM  

TerminalEchoes: fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.

So your only point was to post another link to the exact same story? To show up how super cool you are? My gosh, grow up.

/yes, my only point was to ask if you had a point
//will not grow up


It's the source article. Why do you feel the need to have multiple levels of spin involved?
 
2014-04-26 06:07:05 PM  

redsquid: So does Senorita Hernandez come to class dressed like this-
[sd33.senate.ca.gov image 667x500]

or does she just shop at Walmart and commit 'cultural appropriation and the inappropriate usage of cultural clothing'?


Those are folklorico dancers' costumes...the average Mexican woman doesn't wear such clothes daily.
 
2014-04-26 06:07:08 PM  
And I'm offended by Cracker Barrel, can we do something about that?
 
2014-04-26 06:08:04 PM  
Never be rude to an Arab
An Israeli, or Saudi, or Jew
Never be rude to an Irishman
No matter what you do
Never poke fun at a...
 
2014-04-26 06:08:10 PM  
She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States, cultural appropriation and the inappropriate usage of cultural clothing, and the exploitation of groups of people and cultures for the sake of business opportunities."

Tough shiat, that's what we do.

Want us to stop? Better beat us in a war.
 
2014-04-26 06:09:42 PM  
I am offended by whiny Mexicans that cry about cinco de mayo celibrations.  When are we going to do something about that?
 
2014-04-26 06:10:13 PM  

fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.


Thanks.  It is important to me that information be presented in the correct way.
 
2014-04-26 06:10:38 PM  

Lorelle: redsquid: So does Senorita Hernandez come to class dressed like this-
[sd33.senate.ca.gov image 667x500]

or does she just shop at Walmart and commit 'cultural appropriation and the inappropriate usage of cultural clothing'?

Those are folklorico dancers' costumes...the average Mexican woman doesn't wear such clothes daily.


And the average Mexican doesn't wear a sombrero, poncho, bandolier or shaggy moustache on a daily basis either. The point I'm making is that an American wearing a sombrero to a party is no more racist or culturally insensitive than a non-european wearing a business suit.
 
2014-04-26 06:10:42 PM  

cig-mkr: Cracker Barrel

*snert*

 
2014-04-26 06:10:51 PM  

Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.


I swear, if some Irish-American tried to pull this stunt with St. Patrick's Day, I wouldn't be surprised if all of Boston would hunt that guy down, beat him to a pulp and then hit the bars afterward for a job well done.
 
2014-04-26 06:10:57 PM  
We could just celebrate "We Kicked Mexico's Ass Day," but we'd have to move Groundhog Day to some other date.
 
2014-04-26 06:10:58 PM  
I wager you can have a nice Cinco De Mayo party without being racist.  It can potentially be racist.  I hope the little biatch is from Puebla or else she has no reason to celebrate that bastard of a holiday as a Mexican. I'm first/second generation Mexican-American and I don't celebrate it because I'm not descended from people from Puebla.  I couldn't even tell you where it was aside from that it is located in Mexico.

You know what my family has appropriated and mixed in with our traditions? Halloween and Day of the Dead (nominally).  Wonder if she'd get offended by it.
 
2014-04-26 06:11:40 PM  

lacydog: Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.


The "dressing in ponchos/sombreros" thing  is racist, I agree. That's appropriating a specific cultural tradition (though sombreros are actually Spanish in origin, not Mexican). Eating Tex-Mex (which is essentially American anyway) and drinking tequila, on the other hand, is not. Setting aside the idea of "Mexican" as a race (it's not), it's more important to recognize that  Cinco de Mayo is an American holiday. The entire holiday began in Mexican-American communities in the 1860s. This isn't some new holiday to have in America; it's been around for 150 years, primarily celebrated in Mexican-American communities in the United States. Mexicans barely celebrate it, and those that do are actually influenced by the holiday's celebration here in the United States. The holiday has expanded from its roots in California and across the nation, and that's not a bad thing; it's the same thing that Americans did for St. Patrick's Day. It's a day to celebrate the Mexican-American community, to recognize that it exist and is a vital part of the United States, and to have some fun.

lacydog: That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.


We should have introspection about these things, but we should also recognize that it's not necessarily a bad thing for a holiday created in the Mexican-American community to spread outside the Mexican-American community to other parts of the country. We are a melting pot; the Mexican-American community has taken on many aspects of other cultures, and we in turn take on some of theirs.
 
2014-04-26 06:11:56 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-26 06:11:58 PM  

lacydog: Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.

Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali

That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.


If the holiday involves food and alcohol, of course we should participate. Just imagine how sad it would be if our only festival was the Fourth of July; Budweiser and a hotdog grilling session just isn't enough.

Not a thing wrong with Cinco De Mayo, they barely celebrate that in Mexico anyway, it's pretty much an American holiday at this point. Dressing up like Frito Bandito---that's where the stupid comes in.
 
2014-04-26 06:12:09 PM  

lacydog: Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.

Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali

That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.


And I don't see why these things should be illegal, just because it might hurt someones feelings.  Typically I don't care either way about most people, but when I am compelled by law to be sensitive to someone elses feelings, my response is usually to go out of my way to offend them because, basically, fark their feelings.
 
2014-04-26 06:13:06 PM  

Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.


Is University of Phoenix embarrassing to attend if you actually live in Phoenix?
 
2014-04-26 06:13:25 PM  
White = racist.

Thread over.
 
2014-04-26 06:13:47 PM  

AngryDragon: Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy


Then stop reading the Daily Caller and other derpfests. Legitimate news sources don't call all white people racist, only conservative outrage machines do that.
 
2014-04-26 06:14:08 PM  

GORDON: And I don't see why these things should be illegal, just because it might hurt someones feelings.  Typically I don't care either way about most people, but when I am compelled by law to be sensitive to someone elses feelings, my response is usually to go out of my way to offend them because, basically, fark their feelings.


No one said they should be illegal. I mean, I disagree with  lacydog about not celebrating the holiday, but there's no way the post could be read to suggest it should be illegal. You just made that up.
 
2014-04-26 06:14:22 PM  

cig-mkr: And I'm offended by Cracker Barrel, can we do something about that?


Yes - order the meatloaf. It's awesome!
 
2014-04-26 06:15:21 PM  

Rincewind53: lacydog: Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.

The "dressing in ponchos/sombreros" thing  is racist, I agree. That's appropriating a specific cultural tradition (though sombreros are actually Spanish in origin, not Mexican). Eating Tex-Mex (which is essentially American anyway) and drinking tequila, on the other hand, is not. Setting aside the idea of "Mexican" as a race (it's not), it's more important to recognize that  Cinco de Mayo is an American holiday. The entire holiday began in Mexican-American communities in the 1860s. This isn't some new holiday to have in America; it's been around for 150 years, primarily celebrated in Mexican-American communities in the United States. Mexicans barely celebrate it, and those that do are actually influenced by the holiday's celebration here in the United States. The holiday has expanded from its roots in California and across the nation, and that's not a bad thing; it's the same thing that Americans did for St. Patrick's Day. It's a day to celebrate the Mexican-American community, to recognize that it exist and is a vital part of the United States, and to have some fun.

lacydog: That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.

We should have introspection about these things, but we should also recognize that it's not necessarily a bad thing for a holiday created in the Mexican-American community to spread outside the Mexican-American community to other parts of the country. We are a melting pot; the Mexican-American community has taken on many aspects of other cultures, and we in turn take on some of theirs.


There's nothing left to say. Nailed it.
 
2014-04-26 06:15:44 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Dressing up like Frito Bandito---that's where the stupid comes in.


Welcome, American Tourist!

Buy this souvenir sombrero and poncho, and enjoy your stay in Acapulco! However, don't you farking DARE wear it when you leave.
 
2014-04-26 06:15:46 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-26 06:16:35 PM  
She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States ...


www.waterwayscruises.com

On behalf of my Irish great-grandparents and St. Patrick's Day, I'd just like to tell this coont to STFU.

Oh and ...

rlv.zcache.com
 
2014-04-26 06:17:32 PM  
Taking offense at a bunch of people partying with a ton of food, booze, and music?

Are they sure she's Mexican?


/1/2Mex
//1/4French, 1/8Irish, 1/8English
//Mixican FTW
 
2014-04-26 06:18:02 PM  
The tone of the article leads me to find it suspect.

On the other hand, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised that a college kid group bowed to the complaints of another college kid or whatever.

So.. meh.  Nobody even outlawed the party, that I can tell.  They just decided not to do it because someone complained.  So, yeah, it's "official" that white people can't say fiesta.


Fiesta.
/Fiesta.
 
2014-04-26 06:18:58 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Bonzo_1116: Dressing up like Frito Bandito---that's where the stupid comes in.

Welcome, American Tourist!

Buy this souvenir sombrero and poncho, and enjoy your stay in Acapulco! However, don't you farking DARE wear it when you leave.


Best use of the shiatty tourist sombrero I ever saw was a Mexican guy wearing one to a World Cup soccer game in South Korea. A bunch of locals lined up to take pictures with him.
 
2014-04-26 06:19:22 PM  
Honestly, the use of the word, of the Celebration of Cinco de Mayo in the US, is not very offensive to me.

To be honest, if the Chicano community want to use it as a way to honor their Mexican roots, all the more to them. If the rest of the Americans wants to use it as a drinking day, it may be a little annoying... If I didn't knew the historic basis on the date: Mexican troops defeated Mexican troops led by Frenchmen, but ultimately began to lose the war, but we won because of sudden assistance by the US (who they helped us because of the Monroe Doctrine, not that the American Government ever liked Mexico), and Russia was threatening war against the French.

And also... Cultural Apropriation? Ma'am, I'm mestizo, and I'm sure you are too. We are the living embodiment of cultural apropriation. Honestly, being Mexican is the most conflicting bullshiat ever, because we're not European enough, and we definitely are not Natives. We're something in between that, quite frankly, no one likes, not even ourselves (read: The Labyrinth of Solitude, by Octavio Paz).
 
2014-04-26 06:20:11 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Lenny_da_Hog: Bonzo_1116: Dressing up like Frito Bandito---that's where the stupid comes in.

Welcome, American Tourist!

Buy this souvenir sombrero and poncho, and enjoy your stay in Acapulco! However, don't you farking DARE wear it when you leave.

Best use of the shiatty tourist sombrero I ever saw was a Mexican guy wearing one to a World Cup soccer game in South Korea. A bunch of locals lined up to take pictures with him.


O.o... Well, I'll be damned.
 
2014-04-26 06:20:20 PM  

rebelyell2006: AngryDragon: Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy

Then stop reading the Daily Caller and other derpfests. Legitimate news sources don't call all white people racist, only conservative outrage machines do that.


To be fair, loonies on both sides do it.  Although as this thread shows it DOES seem to be way more common and loud from that side.
 
2014-04-26 06:21:22 PM  
You can tell the relative strength or weakness of a culture by the things they take offence at.
 
2014-04-26 06:21:36 PM  

Rincewind53: GORDON: And I don't see why these things should be illegal, just because it might hurt someones feelings.  Typically I don't care either way about most people, but when I am compelled by law to be sensitive to someone elses feelings, my response is usually to go out of my way to offend them because, basically, fark their feelings.

No one said they should be illegal. I mean, I disagree with  lacydog about not celebrating the holiday, but there's no way the post could be read to suggest it should be illegal. You just made that up.


It was pretty clearly the intent of what she said.  She may have not expressed herself clearly, but I think it is a little extreme to suggest I am being dishonest because of the way I interpreted "people should have to" as legal compulsion.
 
2014-04-26 06:22:38 PM  
White person celebrates Cinco de Mayo = racist
White person celebrates MLK JR day = racist
White person celebrates Christmas = racist
White person celebrates St. Patricks day = racist

I would add Thanksgiving, because the Indians are still pissed off over it, but they have casinos now so they don't care.
 
2014-04-26 06:23:01 PM  

redsquid: Lorelle: redsquid: So does Senorita Hernandez come to class dressed like this-
[sd33.senate.ca.gov image 667x500]

or does she just shop at Walmart and commit 'cultural appropriation and the inappropriate usage of cultural clothing'?

Those are folklorico dancers' costumes...the average Mexican woman doesn't wear such clothes daily.

And the average Mexican doesn't wear a sombrero, poncho, bandolier or shaggy moustache on a daily basis either. The point I'm making is that an American wearing a sombrero to a party is no more racist or culturally insensitive than a non-european wearing a business suit.


Depends on how it's done. It's funny when waiters at Mexican restaurants put sombreros on people (white, black, brown, whatever) and sing to them. It's not so funny when non-Mexicans put on sombreros, serapes, fake mustaches, and hold up stupid signs.

The mustachioed brown dudes one sees hanging out at Home Depot usually wear baseball caps.
 
2014-04-26 06:23:26 PM  
Fark you, my state was part of Mexico.  And not that long ago.

/also part of the Republic of Texas more recently
/not proud about that one
 
2014-04-26 06:25:05 PM  
I'm sick of seeing Latinos and black people at the St. Patty's Day festivities getting all drunk and pretending to be what they think Irish is.  It's racist and offensive.
 
2014-04-26 06:25:28 PM  

Misconduc: White person celebrates Cinco de Mayo = racist
White person celebrates MLK JR day = racist
White person celebrates Christmas = racist
White person celebrates St. Patricks day = racist

I would add Thanksgiving, because the Indians are still pissed off over it, but they have casinos now so they don't care.


I wonder if the Italians are pissed at that Austrian Mozart guy for cultural appropriation of opera.
 
2014-04-26 06:26:00 PM  

Bonzo_1116: lacydog: Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.

Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali

That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.

If the holiday involves food and alcohol, of course we should participate. Just imagine how sad it would be if our only festival was the Fourth of July; Budweiser and a hotdog grilling session just isn't enough.

Not a thing wrong with Cinco De Mayo, they barely celebrate that in Mexico anyway, it's pretty much an American holiday at this point. Dressing up like Frito Bandito---that's where the stupid comes in.


Cinco de Mayo IS an American holiday. It was literally created and first celebrated (as we know it) by Americans in the USA.
 
2014-04-26 06:26:19 PM  
that's it! we're putting dartmouth on double secret probation
 
2014-04-26 06:26:41 PM  

CygnusDarius: Honestly, the use of the word, of the Celebration of Cinco de Mayo in the US, is not very offensive to me.

To be honest, if the Chicano community want to use it as a way to honor their Mexican roots, all the more to them. If the rest of the Americans wants to use it as a drinking day, it may be a little annoying... If I didn't knew the historic basis on the date: Mexican troops defeated Mexican troops led by Frenchmen, but ultimately began to lose the war, but we won because of sudden assistance by the US (who they helped us because of the Monroe Doctrine, not that the American Government ever liked Mexico), and Russia was threatening war against the French.

And also... Cultural Apropriation? Ma'am, I'm mestizo, and I'm sure you are too. We are the living embodiment of cultural apropriation. Honestly, being Mexican is the most conflicting bullshiat ever, because we're not European enough, and we definitely are not Natives. We're something in between that, quite frankly, no one likes, not even ourselves (read: The Labyrinth of Solitude, by Octavio Paz).


Looking things up for my comments lead me to a rather fascinating article on the history of Cinco de Mayo as a holiday, from its roots in San Francisco as part of the burgeoning Mexican nationalist movement. It seems like the real creator was the newspaper  La Voz de Méjico, which first pushed for a celebration of the victory of the Battle of Puebla the year after it occurred, on May 5, 1863. The newspaper was part of a real push to get recognition and support for the embattled Mexican army, which was (even at the time) still fighting against the French. So Cinco de Mayo emerged as a real PR holiday, as a way to unite the Mexican-American community to support the homefront by sending money, arms, and other kinds of support.

The fascinating article is here (pdf), lots of things I did not know about. Enjoy!
 
2014-04-26 06:26:52 PM  
img.fark.net

I not only say it, I eat off of it
 
2014-04-26 06:27:20 PM  
I think the fact that they had to cancel this party is evidence of an intolerant climate at Dartmouth. I already told my kid not to bother applying to Columbia, now we can add Dartmouth to the list. And of course the schools rep for drunkenness and debauchery and lack of respect for women has actually caused applications to drop.

/ of course my kid can go wherever, it's a question of what I'll pay for.
 
2014-04-26 06:27:48 PM  

GORDON: fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.

Thanks.  It is important to me that information be presented in the correct way.


You mean without the ginned-up outrage? Me too.
 
2014-04-26 06:27:53 PM  

Diogenes: cig-mkr: And I'm offended by Cracker Barrel, can we do something about that?

Yes - order the meatloaf. It's awesome!


With corn, mashed potatoes, fried apples.
Just had that last Tuesday
 
2014-04-26 06:28:12 PM  
Racism will only go away when it stops being salacious to talk about bull like this story.
 
2014-04-26 06:28:22 PM  
mylitter.com

All fiesta supplies must be purchased at fiesta and eaten on fiestaware or your fiesta doesn't count.
 
2014-04-26 06:29:26 PM  

Marquis de Sod: I not only say it, I eat off of it


Watch out, the original orange ones are radioactive. Uranium in the glaze.
 
2014-04-26 06:29:27 PM  

Lorelle: redsquid: Lorelle: redsquid: So does Senorita Hernandez come to class dressed like this-
[sd33.senate.ca.gov image 667x500]

or does she just shop at Walmart and commit 'cultural appropriation and the inappropriate usage of cultural clothing'?

Those are folklorico dancers' costumes...the average Mexican woman doesn't wear such clothes daily.

And the average Mexican doesn't wear a sombrero, poncho, bandolier or shaggy moustache on a daily basis either. The point I'm making is that an American wearing a sombrero to a party is no more racist or culturally insensitive than a non-european wearing a business suit.

Depends on how it's done. It's funny when waiters at Mexican restaurants put sombreros on people (white, black, brown, whatever) and sing to them. It's not so funny when non-Mexicans put on sombreros, serapes, fake mustaches, and hold up stupid signs.

The mustachioed brown dudes one sees hanging out at Home Depot usually wear baseball caps.


Making a caricature of a culture is one thing, but the description of the party they planned for the charity seemed quite innocuous. Semi-Mexican food and non-alcoholic drinks doesn't seem that racist in the grand scheme of things. Sounds like arena en el cono to me.
 
2014-04-26 06:29:45 PM  

CygnusDarius: And also... Cultural Apropriation? Ma'am, I'm mestizo, and I'm sure you are too. We are the living embodiment of cultural apropriation. Honestly, being Mexican is the most conflicting bullshiat ever, because we're not European enough, and we definitely are not Natives. We're something in between that, quite frankly, no one likes, not even ourselves (read: The Labyrinth of Solitude, by Octavio Paz).


Very true. I consider myself to be biracial (I'm 1/4 Native).
 
2014-04-26 06:30:14 PM  

Misconduc: White person celebrates Cinco de Mayo = racist
White person celebrates MLK JR day = racist
White person celebrates Christmas = racist
White person celebrates St. Patricks day = racist

I would add Thanksgiving, because the Indians are still pissed off over it, but they have casinos now so they don't care.


Our lives are so hard.
 
2014-04-26 06:30:31 PM  
Is one still considered racist if one basically has no respect for anyone and doesn't care about offending any particular group?
 
2014-04-26 06:30:53 PM  

oukewldave: I'm sick of seeing Latinos and black people at the St. Patty's Day festivities getting all drunk and pretending to be what they think Irish is.  It's racist and offensive.


I don't drink on St. pattys day, I celebrate my Irish roots and don't worry about what others are doing. This lady should do something similar instead of making a stink.
 
2014-04-26 06:31:08 PM  
I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?
 
2014-04-26 06:31:55 PM  

AngryDragon: Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy


Nobody but whiny racist conservatives with a persecution complex who want to build a strawman is "telling you that"
 
2014-04-26 06:32:18 PM  

GORDON: Rincewind53: GORDON: And I don't see why these things should be illegal, just because it might hurt someones feelings.  Typically I don't care either way about most people, but when I am compelled by law to be sensitive to someone elses feelings, my response is usually to go out of my way to offend them because, basically, fark their feelings.

No one said they should be illegal. I mean, I disagree with  lacydog about not celebrating the holiday, but there's no way the post could be read to suggest it should be illegal. You just made that up.

It was pretty clearly the intent of what she said.  She may have not expressed herself clearly, but I think it is a little extreme to suggest I am being dishonest because of the way I interpreted "people should have to" as legal compulsion.


I think you need to go back and read the post again.  lacydog at no one point said "people should have to"; I'm not sure where you're getting that from (the student at Dartmouth didn't say that either). She suggested that Americans be introspective "[a]bout whether we *should* do these things." It's an extremely far cry from "I think Americans should think about whether they should be celebrating Cinco de Mayo" to your interpretation that she wants to make it illegal. Not only would such a law be unconstitutional, but it's ridiculous to think that  any person would want to make celebrating a holiday illegal. It's absurd on its face.

Do a ctrl+f in this thread, you'll find that you are the first person to say "people should have to."
 
2014-04-26 06:32:20 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States ...


[www.waterwayscruises.com image 512x522]

On behalf of my Irish great-grandparents and St. Patrick's Day, I'd just like to tell this coont to STFU.

Oh and ...

[rlv.zcache.com image 324x324]


The Girl in the article has a slightly better case because Mexicans actually added some value to American culture.
 
2014-04-26 06:32:26 PM  

Moopy Mac: Misconduc: White person celebrates Cinco de Mayo = racist
White person celebrates MLK JR day = racist
White person celebrates Christmas = racist
White person celebrates St. Patricks day = racist

I would add Thanksgiving, because the Indians are still pissed off over it, but they have casinos now so they don't care.

Our lives are so hard.


And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter
 
2014-04-26 06:33:09 PM  

Moopy Mac: Danger Avoid Death: She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States ...


[www.waterwayscruises.com image 512x522]

On behalf of my Irish great-grandparents and St. Patrick's Day, I'd just like to tell this coont to STFU.

Oh and ...

[rlv.zcache.com image 324x324]

The Girl in the article has a slightly better case because Mexicans actually added some value to American culture.


And then you had to create Taco Bell.
 
2014-04-26 06:33:10 PM  

lacydog: Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali


That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.



I was riding a ski lift with an Irishman one March, and I asked him specifically about this.  I asked if St. Patrick's day was considered a genuine religious holiday in Ireland, and did they think we were jerks for what we did to it.  He looked at me like I had 3 eyes and said, "fark no, we get paralytic."

So I don't feel too oppressive about St Paddy any more  but I still won't drink green beer.
 
2014-04-26 06:33:45 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?


I and most brown people I know despise Taco Hell. It's pseudo-Mexican food for people who don't know any better.
 
2014-04-26 06:34:10 PM  
A fiesta is better than a pinto. At least if you get hit, the fiesta won't explode.
 
2014-04-26 06:34:40 PM  

Kit Fister: Is one still considered racist if one basically has no respect for anyone and doesn't care about offending any particular group?


I hate everyone equally; its only fair if you hate one person you might as well hate them all, if not you are a damn racist.
 
2014-04-26 06:35:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: A fiesta is better than a pinto. At least if you get hit, the fiesta won't explode.


It could be worse...at least it isn't a Nova.
 
2014-04-26 06:35:36 PM  

Lorelle: Lenny_da_Hog: I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?

I and most brown people I know despise Taco Hell. It's pseudo-Mexican food for people who don't know any better.


In other words, it's cultural appropriation that cheapens the culture it was stolen from?
 
2014-04-26 06:36:37 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Lorelle: Lenny_da_Hog: I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?

I and most brown people I know despise Taco Hell. It's pseudo-Mexican food for people who don't know any better.

In other words, it's cultural appropriation that cheapens the culture it was stolen from?


It's an affront to the digestive system.
 
2014-04-26 06:36:39 PM  

Lorelle: Lenny_da_Hog: I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?

I and most brown people I know despise Taco Hell. It's pseudo-Mexican food for people who don't know any better.


I'm a white guy and even I despise Taco Bell. If I want Mexican food, I will damn well go to a Mexican restaurant and get it. I don't even go to Tex-Mex places anymore, because of how mediocre the food usually is.

That said, there was a really sad piece on This American Life about young Mexican-American adults who grew up in the United States as undocumented immigrants and got deported back to Mexico, and how they even miss Taco Bell, even in the face of the fact that they can get incredibly good tacos around the corner. To them, it's a symbol of the United States and they miss it, since there are no Taco Bells in Mexico.
 
2014-04-26 06:36:42 PM  

CygnusDarius: Moopy Mac: Danger Avoid Death: She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States ...


[www.waterwayscruises.com image 512x522]

On behalf of my Irish great-grandparents and St. Patrick's Day, I'd just like to tell this coont to STFU.

Oh and ...

[rlv.zcache.com image 324x324]

The Girl in the article has a slightly better case because Mexicans actually added some value to American culture.

And then you had to create Taco Bell.


Still better than Bennigans.
 
2014-04-26 06:36:59 PM  
I only have fêtes and soirees and maybe the odd summer shindig.
 
2014-04-26 06:38:03 PM  
I must live in an entirely racist city since the largest city-wide festival of the year, simply called Fiesta, is going on now.  No one celebrates cinco de mayo though.
 
2014-04-26 06:38:06 PM  

Lorelle: Lenny_da_Hog: I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?

I and most brown people I know despise Taco Hell. It's pseudo-Mexican food for people who don't know any better are in a hurry or drunk.


FTFY. Seriously, no one thinks Taco Bell is real Mexican food.
 
2014-04-26 06:38:15 PM  
The self-proclaimed "Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color"

so many labels... but of course, we're all the same.

coont.
 
2014-04-26 06:39:20 PM  

CygnusDarius: Lenny_da_Hog: Lorelle: Lenny_da_Hog: I wonder if she's ever been into a Taco Bell?

I and most brown people I know despise Taco Hell. It's pseudo-Mexican food for people who don't know any better.

In other words, it's cultural appropriation that cheapens the culture it was stolen from?

It's an affront to the digestive system.


This. And those damned chihuahua commercials were offensive.
 
2014-04-26 06:40:11 PM  

Rincewind53: The "dressing in ponchos/sombreros" thing  is racist, I agree. That's appropriating a specific cultural tradition ...


So which is it - race or culture?
 
2014-04-26 06:41:23 PM  
i57.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-26 06:41:58 PM  
White people are arseholes. I'm still waiting on 40 white woman for Dule Hill.

I wonder if the party planners try to talk to Ms. Sandy Va jay and she said no.
 
2014-04-26 06:42:33 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: The "dressing in ponchos/sombreros" thing  is racist, I agree. That's appropriating a specific cultural tradition ...

So which is it - race or culture?


That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.
 
2014-04-26 06:42:43 PM  

fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.


Yes, lets get right down the the left wing derping.
 
2014-04-26 06:42:44 PM  
I was in Mexico for work a few years ago and my wife was able to wrangle her way in because her company had lost some barges on the Culiacán River (she works for one of the ABCD oil processing companies)  In case you're wondering, the ABCD companies are ADM (Archer Daniels Midland), Bunge, Cargill and Dreyfus (to which Julia Louis-Dreyfus of Seinfeld is a multi-millionaire heiress).

Anyways, my work was finished and we went to Sinaloa where the river begins so she could talk with the local company rep and find out the entire story.  It seems that after the barges were unloaded at the oil processing plant, they were headed back upriver when there was a nighttime collision with bridge piling.  The captain basically unhooked the tow from the barge string and just continued on his way.  The barges were damaged but slowly filling with water.  After figuring that the a salvage operation in the relatively uninhabited area would not be cost effective, her managers told her to scrap them, donate them or do whatever it took to get rid of them.

She approached the mayor of a local village and asked if they would like them.  Her company would have them pulled to the bank, emptied and air lifted to their village where they could use them as housing, shelters, a community center or whatever they wanted to do with them. He turned around, looked her in the eye and said

Barges?
.
.
.
.
.
Barges?
.
.
.
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(Wait for it)
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www.rudebadmood.com
We Don't Need No Sinkin' Barges
 
2014-04-26 06:43:14 PM  

Lorelle: This. And those damned chihuahua commercials were offensive.


i262.photobucket.com

Chai-huwa-huwa?
 
2014-04-26 06:44:14 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: The "dressing in ponchos/sombreros" thing  is racist, I agree. That's appropriating a specific cultural tradition ...

So which is it - race or culture?


Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...
 
2014-04-26 06:45:11 PM  
First generation woman of color?

Wtf
 
2014-04-26 06:45:57 PM  
As a Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color ...

That must have come as a bit of a surprise to her parents.
 
2014-04-26 06:49:07 PM  
www.alipac.us

msnbcmedia3.msn.com

/fiesta!
 
2014-04-26 06:49:48 PM  
This isn't going to go over too well here in San Antonio.....

http://www.fiesta-sa.org/
 
2014-04-26 06:51:02 PM  

Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...


Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.
 
2014-04-26 06:51:05 PM  
Problems arose because a single student, junior Daniela Hernandez, was offended by the party's theme of "Phiesta."

Too farking bad.

The self-proclaimed "Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color" declared in an angry email that "there are various problematic structures and ideologies regarding a Cinco de Mayo-inspired event," according to Campus Reform.

Yea? Where's your green card? Or did your momma birth you in some godforsaken desert so you can weigh like the anchor baby you are, weighing this country down?

/I'll give you something to get pissy about, puta
 
2014-04-26 06:51:19 PM  
The self-proclaimed "Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color"

Could be undocumented.  Get ICE on it and she'll find out what institutional racism is like.
 
2014-04-26 06:52:26 PM  
Once again, no matter how many times you say it, trying to convince others it's true, still doesn't make it a race.
 
2014-04-26 06:53:34 PM  

cchris_39: First generation woman of color?

Wtf


Don't think too hard. "Person of color" doesn't really mean anything anyway. It's more of a parroted rallying cry for unthinking racist assholes. "Take me seriously, or you're a racist!"
 
2014-04-26 06:54:20 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.


Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.
 
2014-04-26 06:56:18 PM  

Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.


It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.
 
2014-04-26 06:57:06 PM  
Maybe Mexico could get even by celebrating the 4th of July by wearing fat-suits and bad colonial outfits, eating fast food, and sitting in front of the TV drinking really cheap beer.
 
2014-04-26 06:57:35 PM  

Rincewind53: You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.


Say, wait, isn't that American culture?  Why yes it is.  Shouldn't we be offended?
 
2014-04-26 06:57:42 PM  

orbister: Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.

It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.


I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...
 
2014-04-26 06:58:39 PM  

Rincewind53: Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.


Is it racist for them to wear serapes instead?
 
2014-04-26 06:59:31 PM  
We're in the middle of 18 days of Fiesta, right now between the Battle of Flowers and Fiesta Flambeau. So I'm getting a kick out of Dartmouth floundering with how to party.
 
2014-04-26 07:00:53 PM  

Rincewind53: I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...


Different nationalities, yes. But the idea that the Spanish, the Catalans, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians and so on are different races is just absurd. Perhaps its because we have more national identities here that we don't need racial allegiances in the same way.
 
2014-04-26 07:02:43 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...

Different nationalities, yes. But the idea that the Spanish, the Catalans, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians and so on are different races is just absurd. Perhaps its because we have more national identities here that we don't need racial allegiances in the same way.


Pretty much. Americans really don't have anything similar to Flanders and Wallonia, for example. We draw our sense of historical pride from the vague regions that our ancestors came from, and invented old-country traditions.
 
2014-04-26 07:02:53 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.

Is it racist for them to wear serapes instead?


Depends, is it white Mexicans wearing the serapes or Mayan Mexicans? I'm sure there's at least a few folks south of the border willing to be offended.
 
2014-04-26 07:04:52 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...

Different nationalities, yes. But the idea that the Spanish, the Catalans, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians and so on are different races is just absurd. Perhaps its because we have more national identities here that we don't need racial allegiances in the same way.


I should add, in America we  definitely used to think of different European cultures as different races. It was very standard in the 19th century and through a large part of the 20th to think of Italians as a different race than Germans, for example. Hell, look at the whole "Hun" metaphor that Americans used in reference to German aggression; they were portrayed as a different race than their counterparts. It's somewhat shocking to read Mark Twain's "An Innocent Abroad" and read a segment where he very casually talks about how lazy the Portugese race is, for example.
 
2014-04-26 07:06:17 PM  
So to sum things up.

White people = Help i'm being oppressed.

Got it.
 
2014-04-26 07:06:26 PM  

orbister: Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.

It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.


I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.

I see humans equally in that regard. The whole ethnic/cultural thing to me reeks of Eugenics, mixed in with Xenophobia. To be fair, I wish we could just dump all this and the the global Ramones/Daft Punk/KISS/Beastie Boys/P-Funk party started.
 
2014-04-26 07:07:56 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Maybe Mexico could get even by celebrating the 4th of July by wearing fat-suits and bad colonial outfits, eating fast food, and sitting in front of the TV drinking really cheap beer.


We're kind of getting there.

/getting a gut myself
//I blame my lack of self-control when in front of pasties
 
2014-04-26 07:09:01 PM  
I wonder if excessively thin skin is a genetic defect, or does one have to be trained to be easily offended? It is tough on us old folks when the words that offend keep getting changed.

"The simple fact is, offense is taken, not given," ~Ricky Gervais

http://www.rsdb.org/
 
2014-04-26 07:10:18 PM  

Phelon Hardtimes: So to sum things up.

White people = Help i'm being oppressed.

Got it.


I don't think that is an accurate summary.
 
2014-04-26 07:10:46 PM  

CygnusDarius: I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.

I see humans equally in that regard. The whole ethnic/cultural thing to me reeks of Eugenics, mixed in with Xenophobia. To be fair, I wish we could just dump all this and the the global Ramones/Daft Punk/KISS/Beastie Boys/P-Funk party started.


Like it or not, the concept of "race" is stuck with us, and we can't "dump" it until we've actually eliminated the barriers that exist for minorities in this country.
 
2014-04-26 07:11:35 PM  

Lorelle: Ooh...green.

Diogenes: *sigh*  I miss college.

Whenever I hear or read "Chi O," I'm reminded of this little ditty I learned in college some 30+ years ago:

[Sung to to the tune of Heigh-Ho]

Chi O, Chi O
It's off to bed we go
We paid our buck
We want our f*ck
Chi O, Chi O, Chi O, Chi O...


I know I'm late to this thread, but that's the same exact song we heard when I was in college.

/Louisville class of '01
//married an AOTT
///didn't join a frat
 
2014-04-26 07:11:50 PM  

Rincewind53: I should add, in America we  definitely used to think of different European cultures as different races. It was very standard in the 19th century and through a large part of the 20th to think of Italians as a different race than Germans, for example. Hell, look at the whole "Hun" metaphor that Americans used in reference to German aggression; they were portrayed as a different race than their counterparts. It's somewhat shocking to read Mark Twain's "An Innocent Abroad" and read a segment where he very casually talks about how lazy the Portugese race is, for example.


I have somewhere a grammar of the Cornish language, published around 110 years ago, the introduction of which says that the native Britons were cowards who hid from the Romans, and that this explains the "peculiar moral and physical characteristics of the Midlands working classes".
 
2014-04-26 07:11:51 PM  

Solid State Vittles: I wonder if a Greek-American student could tear the whole Dartmouth fraternity and sorority system down by expressing his/her offense over the use of Greek letters for organizations that don't even have actual Greek students? Someone needs to try it. That would be hilarious.


Would be as funny as when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....
 
2014-04-26 07:12:33 PM  

Relatively Obscure: The tone of the article leads me to find it suspect.

On the other hand, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised that a college kid group bowed to the complaints of another college kid or whatever.

So.. meh.  Nobody even outlawed the party, that I can tell.  They just decided not to do it because someone complained.  So, yeah, it's "official" that white people can't say fiesta.


Fiesta.
/Fiesta.


Its the remix with the homie from the Midwest ah...

Fiesta, fiesta.
 
2014-04-26 07:14:05 PM  

CygnusDarius: I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.


It's very odd, right enough. There is absolutely no scientifically valid definition of "race" in humans, and yet we spend a lot of time worrying about it.
 
2014-04-26 07:14:21 PM  
When words in another language are considered racist, only racists will use other languages.
 
2014-04-26 07:14:28 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: I should add, in America we  definitely used to think of different European cultures as different races. It was very standard in the 19th century and through a large part of the 20th to think of Italians as a different race than Germans, for example. Hell, look at the whole "Hun" metaphor that Americans used in reference to German aggression; they were portrayed as a different race than their counterparts. It's somewhat shocking to read Mark Twain's "An Innocent Abroad" and read a segment where he very casually talks about how lazy the Portugese race is, for example.

I have somewhere a grammar of the Cornish language, published around 110 years ago, the introduction of which says that the native Britons were cowards who hid from the Romans, and that this explains the "peculiar moral and physical characteristics of the Midlands working classes".


Hah! Yeah, the granularity of racism/bigotry in some places is astonishing. As an American, I'm always fascinated by how Britain managed to pack so many different cultures into one tiny island, and how many of those stark cultural boundaries still exist even today.
 
2014-04-26 07:15:10 PM  

Solid State Vittles: I wonder if a Greek-American student could tear the whole Dartmouth fraternity and sorority system down by expressing his/her offense over the use of Greek letters for organizations that don't even have actual Greek students? Someone needs to try it. That would be hilarious.


Cool story, bro.  When I was visiting colleges, one of the tours I went on (I can't remember which school, sigh), the tour guide kept going on and on about the greek life.  Greek people like to hang out here.  Greek people eat pizza there.  Nobody really seemed to care except for the one family that was visiting from Greece.
Later on in the tour, the mom asks, very earnest sounding, "so, you say there are a lot of Greek students here?" in a super thick accent.  Led to a nice awkward moment when Phi Delta Barbie tried to clarify what she meant and why they appropriated the Greek label.
 
2014-04-26 07:17:15 PM  

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: This isn't going to go over too well here in San Antonio.....

http://www.fiesta-sa.org/


www.fiestamart.com
 
2014-04-26 07:19:29 PM  
At Dartmouth the lunatics run the asylum.
 
2014-04-26 07:22:08 PM  

Sliding Carp: I was riding a ski lift with an Irishman one March, and I asked him specifically about this. I asked if St. Patrick's day was considered a genuine religious holiday in Ireland, and did they think we were jerks for what we did to it. He looked at me like I had 3 eyes and said, "fark no, we get paralytic."


So it's not really a holiday over there?  Just kind of business as usual?
 
2014-04-26 07:22:10 PM  

Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.


This is the way neo-liberals think. Their entire lives are based around identity politics and the concept that white men are evil
 
Boe
2014-04-26 07:22:35 PM  

Misconduc: White person celebrates Cinco de Mayo = racist


Then there's going to be a metric shiat ton of racists, along with a lot of non-white people, on 6th Street in Austin on May 5th.
 
2014-04-26 07:22:39 PM  
Anything a white person does can and will be considered racist, because they're often stupid enough to be convinced that it's racist.
White people care too much. Tolerance is interpreted as weakness and stuff like this happens and will continue to happen until white people grow a collective backbone and start to actually like themselves and their history and culture. But that won't happen.
 
2014-04-26 07:23:43 PM  

orbister: Rincewind53: I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...

Different nationalities, yes. But the idea that the Spanish, the Catalans, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians and so on are different races is just absurd. Perhaps its because we have more national identities here that we don't need racial allegiances in the same way.



Think more along the lines of Germany vs Turkey  or England vs Morocco, and include cultural differences as well as simple physical appearance.
 
2014-04-26 07:24:49 PM  
Has anyone ever watched five minutes of Mexican television or listened to any Mexican radio?   It's so offensively stereotypical it's great.  The guy who does my yard has a company called LawnMex, he straight up owns it.
 
2014-04-26 07:25:17 PM  
As a Mexican eating Del Taco, drinking Guinness, and watching the NBA finals...I'm getting a kick from this thread.

No you should not spell fiesta with a ph. If people want to get dressed up drunk let them. They should just be more discrete about it.
 
2014-04-26 07:26:54 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Anything a white person does can and will be considered racist, because they're often stupid enough to be convinced that it's racist.
White people care too much. Tolerance is interpreted as weakness and stuff like this happens and will continue to happen until white people grow a collective backbone and start to actually like themselves and their history and culture. But that won't happen.


Unless you're Mexican, you better change your handle to God-is-a-Tater Tot. You just may cause an uproar.
 
2014-04-26 07:28:20 PM  

CygnusDarius: orbister: Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.

It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.

I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.

I see humans equally in that regard. The whole ethnic/cultural thing to me reeks of Eugenics, mixed in with Xenophobia. To be fair, I wish we could just dump all this and the the global Ramones/Daft Punk/KISS/Beastie Boys/P-Funk party started.


It would be nice, but too many people make money and win elections based on the notion of being different.
 
2014-04-26 07:30:58 PM  

redsquid: Unless IF you're Mexican, you better change your handle to God-is-a-Tater Tot.Mexi-Fry You just may cause an uproar.


FTFM
 
2014-04-26 07:33:41 PM  
So, indoctrination station costs *how* much a year, now?
 
2014-04-26 07:34:26 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.

This is the way neo-liberals think. Their entire lives are based around identity politics and the concept that white men are evil


Says someone who has no idea what neoliberalism means.
 
2014-04-26 07:34:33 PM  

Sticky Hands: orbister: Rincewind53: I mean, Gallic pride is a thing, the French certainly think that they're different than the Spanish. And the Spanish are still fighting about whether Castille and Aragon should have merged...

Different nationalities, yes. But the idea that the Spanish, the Catalans, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians and so on are different races is just absurd. Perhaps its because we have more national identities here that we don't need racial allegiances in the same way.


Think more along the lines of Germany vs Turkey  or England vs Morocco, and include cultural differences as well as simple physical appearance.


So are you saying that Germans are not Homo sapiens sapiens?
 
2014-04-26 07:38:33 PM  
Ah, Betty Coed, how you've changed.
www.girl-jitsu.com
"YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE DEPTHS TO WHICH I AM UTTERLY
OFFENDED BY EVERY F*CKING THING IMAGINABLE AND I BLAME YOU!"
 
2014-04-26 07:38:34 PM  
She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States

Mexico is in America, or so I'm told by half the population of Central and South America when they object to folks from the US calling themselves Americans.
 
2014-04-26 07:39:57 PM  
Is this the new daily thread where poor oppressed white people suffering persecution complexes whine and complain about how everyone else is the real racist?
 
2014-04-26 07:42:17 PM  

lacydog: Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.

Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali

That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.


It means be like the other cultures, quit your whining, and grow the fark up, pandejo.
 
2014-04-26 07:57:57 PM  
I say this as a Latin man living in Latin America...

It must be wonderful live in a country where THIS is a so pressing matter that deserves media attention...

/"I'm offended, I'm offended" SO farkING WHAT!?! Grab a taco and move on...
 
2014-04-26 07:58:20 PM  

flucto: Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali

I'm a Danish Navajo, you don't see me carping about pastries or the Cleveland Indians.

A Danish Navajo must have big hogans
 
2014-04-26 08:09:07 PM  

mekki: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

I swear, if some Irish-American tried to pull this stunt with St. Patrick's Day, I wouldn't be surprised if all of Boston would hunt that guy down, beat him to a pulp and then hit the bars afterward for a job well done.


That would also include the gays.
 
2014-04-26 08:09:13 PM  
This is what Cinco de Mayo means around my area :

Drunk and high Mexicans riding around in barely driveable lowriders while blasting horrible "music" and showing gang signs. Every year there is at least one fight or shooting. Every year there is multiple accidents and major traffic.
 
2014-04-26 08:14:56 PM  

Nemo's Brother: It would be nice, but too many people make money and win elections based on the notion of being different.


Being different like where you claim all the liberals are suffering from white guilt and you are the educated and non biased one?
 
2014-04-26 08:20:59 PM  

Animatronik: I think the fact that they had to cancel this party is evidence of an intolerant climate at Dartmouth. I already told my kid not to bother applying to Columbia, now we can add Dartmouth to the list. And of course the schools rep for drunkenness and debauchery and lack of respect for women has actually caused applications to drop.

/ of course my kid can go wherever, it's a question of what I'll pay for.


You should've crossed them off a while ago.   http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579479501 134392562 - Fark does not like WSJ.  Google "Oppressed by the Ivy League".
And of course, Claremont College:
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/mar/18/local/me-claremont18
And University of Michigan is just crazy.

Look, every single liberal arts department is like this.  They're CRAZY.  End of story.

/Thank gods U of Michigan had a separate campus for engineering.  That way we didn't have to deal with BAMN.
//And then of course, because of mismatch theory, all of the elite kids were white and Asian.  Which was really funny.  "We are for diversity to the point where a black kid with a 2.5 is equal to a white kid with a 3.5" -> "shiat.  The black kids all dropped out because they were at the bottom of the class.  I wonder why".
 
2014-04-26 08:24:34 PM  

CruJones: Has anyone ever watched five minutes of Mexican television or listened to any Mexican radio?   It's so offensively stereotypical it's great.  The guy who does my yard has a company called LawnMex, he straight up owns it.


Good God we are the masters of politically incorrect shows. Televisa and TV Azteca (the two biggest TV networks in Mexico) create the most god-awful stupid, offensive, sexist, xenophobic, programs out there, and they get huge ratings (maybe because they're the only two channels in non-cable TV).

/They're also the reason why I stopped watching TV
//Except Game of Thrones
///And Dr. Who, Farscape, Breaking Bad...
 
2014-04-26 08:30:18 PM  
Can I still use the word siesta? Because I love those things.
 
2014-04-26 08:30:52 PM  

Diogenes: Gecko Gingrich: I used to own a white Fiesta.

Nice cultural appropriation, Mr. Hate Crime!


Ah, that's the phrase I was trying to remember!
 
2014-04-26 08:34:14 PM  

redsquid: God-is-a-Taco: Anything a white person does can and will be considered racist, because they're often stupid enough to be convinced that it's racist.
White people care too much. Tolerance is interpreted as weakness and stuff like this happens and will continue to happen until white people grow a collective backbone and start to actually like themselves and their history and culture. But that won't happen.

Unless you're Mexican, you better change your handle to God-is-a-Tater Tot. You just may cause an uproar.


What if God is actually a taco? What kind of taco would he be?.
 
2014-04-26 08:36:36 PM  
Nemo's Brother: My head is full of rotting armadillos

Yeah, we know, we know, and you're a racist too. But then, I guess you have to blame your failure on someone other than yourself.
 
2014-04-26 08:38:22 PM  
The rancher had a point. The system is just a racist as it ever was. Instead of slavery, we just throw young black men in prison.

If you asked one of those young men that is serving a life sentence for some dumb ass three-strikes rule, he'd probably agree to work for free and live with his family rather than work for $.25 an hour and sleep in an over crowded (for profit) prison.

It was a stupid analogy. He's an inarticulate moron. But he's right on some level. Slavery was/is completely wrong, but the system we have still screws over young black men. If only the media jumped on that aspect of his argument instead is seizing the opportunity to take a shot at republicans. Maybe, just maybe, they have more to profit on the controversy than the truth.
 
2014-04-26 08:39:20 PM  

Nemo's Brother: CygnusDarius: orbister: Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.

It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.

I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.

I see humans equally in that regard. The whole ethnic/cultural thing to me reeks of Eugenics, mixed in with Xenophobia. To be fair, I wish we could just dump all this and the the global Ramones/Daft Punk/KISS/Beastie Boys/P-Funk party started.

It would be nice, but too many people make money and win elections based on the notion of being different.


I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.

/We could have a Trekkie party and a Browncoats party for example
 
2014-04-26 08:42:29 PM  

CygnusDarius: redsquid: God-is-a-Taco: Anything a white person does can and will be considered racist, because they're often stupid enough to be convinced that it's racist.
White people care too much. Tolerance is interpreted as weakness and stuff like this happens and will continue to happen until white people grow a collective backbone and start to actually like themselves and their history and culture. But that won't happen.

Unless you're Mexican, you better change your handle to God-is-a-Tater Tot. You just may cause an uproar.

What if God is actually a taco? What kind of taco would he be?.


The beef tongue taco from Tampa's Taco Bus, I'd imagine. That shiat's heavenly!
 
2014-04-26 08:43:09 PM  

fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.


Daniela Hernandez needs a good old-fashioned vatos locos style beatdown, and I say that in all due respect, puta chica.
 
2014-04-26 08:44:32 PM  

HectorSchwartz: The rancher had a point. The system is just a racist as it ever was. Instead of slavery, we just throw young black men in prison.


This rancher has a point that the politicians he supports are all for the war on drugs and the 3 strikes laws that ruin the lives of minorities who mostly have no other choice but to sell drugs for an income because they have bad public schools and lack of jobs thanks to racist capitalists like this rancher.
 
2014-04-26 08:51:20 PM  

CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.


I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!
 
2014-04-26 08:58:04 PM  

flucto: Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali

I'm a Danish Navajo, you don't see me carping about pastries or the Cleveland Indians.


Can you speak both? I'd pay money to hear a conversation fusing both those languages. Call it "Dine'-ish".
 
2014-04-26 09:01:33 PM  

redsquid: CygnusDarius: redsquid: God-is-a-Taco: Anything a white person does can and will be considered racist, because they're often stupid enough to be convinced that it's racist.
White people care too much. Tolerance is interpreted as weakness and stuff like this happens and will continue to happen until white people grow a collective backbone and start to actually like themselves and their history and culture. But that won't happen.

Unless you're Mexican, you better change your handle to God-is-a-Tater Tot. You just may cause an uproar.

What if God is actually a taco? What kind of taco would he be?.

The beef tongue taco from Tampa's Taco Bus, I'd imagine. That shiat's heavenly!


If God is a taco does that mean eating tacos is like taking communion at Catholic mass?
 
2014-04-26 09:03:52 PM  

redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.

I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!


And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk... Capitalism isn't a bad thing. If you're so against it, GTFO. Nobody is stopping you.
 
2014-04-26 09:08:36 PM  

HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.

I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk... Capitalism isn't a bad thing. If you're so against it, GTFO. Nobody is stopping you.


You must be one of those Formica people. Why don't you just go back where you came from.
(It was a joke about the OP's use of 'melamine' rather than 'melanin', but it obviously went over your head, polititard.)
 
2014-04-26 09:13:21 PM  

redsquid: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.

I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk... Capitalism isn't a bad thing. If you're so against it, GTFO. Nobody is stopping you.

You must be one of those Formica people. Why don't you just go back where you came from.
(It was a joke about the OP's use of 'melamine' rather than 'melanin', but it obviously went over your head, polititard.)


It's all about the slab of concrete, you dirty marblerer, get on with the times, man!.
 
2014-04-26 09:13:51 PM  
Spic, border jumper, wetback, beaner, fiesta....... One of these words doesn't belong because its not racist....... Guess which one? Stupid ass whiny biatches crying racism over everything, grow up.
 
2014-04-26 09:14:17 PM  

redsquid: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.

I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk... Capitalism isn't a bad thing. If you're so against it, GTFO. Nobody is stopping you.

You must be one of those Formica people. Why don't you just go back where you came from.
(It was a joke about the OP's use of 'melamine' rather than 'melanin', but it obviously went over your head, polititard.)


Rant meant for Bob Robert - hit wrong reply button- my bad.

Also, you're comment was not at all funny or quotable.

/polititard? That's edgy.
 
2014-04-26 09:14:48 PM  

Bob Robert: Is this the new daily thread where poor oppressed white people suffering persecution complexes whine and complain about how everyone else is the real racist?


Nah, just the one where you show up and spout off like a douche. Cya tomorrow!
 
2014-04-26 09:16:59 PM  
So much white-envy.
 
2014-04-26 09:20:59 PM  
*Ethnicist
 
2014-04-26 09:23:34 PM  

HectorSchwartz: pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk


Dude... that wasn't even edgy when my grandad heard it from the Birchers. Quit while you're ahead.
Partisan politics is cancer.
 
2014-04-26 09:25:07 PM  

Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.


I knew a man who went to Dartmouth...
twoheadednerd.com

Well, close enough.
 
2014-04-26 09:28:46 PM  

RKTeuthis: Taking offense at a bunch of people partying with a ton of food, booze, and music?

Are they sure she's Mexican?


I'm kinda wondering she sounds like she isn't confident in her cultural identity. Consider

Would a Japanese citizen be pissed off about a Samurai Party?
A British man upset about a Limey Party? Personally I think British culture is one 800 year long self-parody.
A California about a Surf's Up Dude party?

No.
 
2014-04-26 09:43:24 PM  
Well I guess there is one dirty beaner I wouldn't mind seeing in ol ' sheriff joe's custody.
 
2014-04-26 09:45:12 PM  

Rincewind53: orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.

Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.


I do see a lot of Mexicans (ethnic wise at least) around SoCal wearing cowboy and and boots, and they do seem to have a thing for mustaches.  There are "vaquero" shops in a lot of the neighborhoods, but really it's all just "western wear" with a slightly ethnic spin to it.  They look like brown Texans.
 
2014-04-26 09:46:04 PM  

Phelon Hardtimes: So to sum things up.

White people = Help i'm being oppressed.

Got it.


Careful.  There's still enough of a majority of us to set up "camps" if we choose to.
 
2014-04-26 10:04:18 PM  
She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States, cultural appropriation and the inappropriate usage of cultural clothing, and the exploitation of groups of people and cultures for the sake of business opportunities"-and, apparently, charity opportunities.
"It was sadly unsurprising that a culturally-themed party was seen as a casual venture for such a privileged institution such as Dartmouth," Hernandez proclaimed.



Lady, have you seen every international holiday we've imported?  Oktoberfest, St. Patty's Day?  Trust me, you'll start to see a theme.
 
2014-04-26 10:06:34 PM  

pueblonative: She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States, cultural appropriation and the inappropriate usage of cultural clothing, and the exploitation of groups of people and cultures for the sake of business opportunities"-and, apparently, charity opportunities.
"It was sadly unsurprising that a culturally-themed party was seen as a casual venture for such a privileged institution such as Dartmouth," Hernandez proclaimed.


Lady, have you seen every international holiday we've imported?  Oktoberfest, St. Patty's Day?  Trust me, you'll start to see a theme.


As a Hispanic-German-Irish-Brit I am just awaiting an English holiday for us to adopt.
 
2014-04-26 10:06:37 PM  
This sounds like white people guessing at what is offensive to non-white people.

/dont care to rtfa
 
2014-04-26 10:12:50 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Anything a white person does can and will be considered racist, because they're often stupid enough to be convinced that it's racist.
White people care too much. Tolerance is interpreted as weakness and stuff like this happens and will continue to happen until white people grow a collective backbone and start to actually like themselves and their history and culture. But that won't happen.


I am white and love my culture and background. I could have sworn that was what makes me racist. Get your definitions together, haters.
 
2014-04-26 10:15:55 PM  

meyerkev: Animatronik: I think the fact that they had to cancel this party is evidence of an intolerant climate at Dartmouth. I already told my kid not to bother applying to Columbia, now we can add Dartmouth to the list. And of course the schools rep for drunkenness and debauchery and lack of respect for women has actually caused applications to drop.

/ of course my kid can go wherever, it's a question of what I'll pay for.

You should've crossed them off a while ago.   http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579479501 134392562 - Fark does not like WSJ.  Google "Oppressed by the Ivy League".
And of course, Claremont College:http://articles.latimes.com/2004/mar/18/local/me-claremont18
And University of Michigan is just crazy.

Look, every single liberal arts department is like this.  They're CRAZY.  End of story.

/Thank gods U of Michigan had a separate campus for engineering.  That way we didn't have to deal with BAMN.
//And then of course, because of mismatch theory, all of the elite kids were white and Asian.  Which was really funny.  "We are for diversity to the point where a black kid with a 2.5 is equal to a white kid with a 3.5" -> "shiat.  The black kids all dropped out because they were at the bottom of the class.  I wonder why".


While you are right, Columbia has taken it to the point where they have a huge chunk of their curriculum that is just garbage being shucked by sanitation engineers. I am all for diverse points of view but that is not what they are doing. If I read a resume and it has "Columbia" on it, it better be a STEM degree or it basically carries slightly more weight than Mississippi State.
 
2014-04-26 10:16:30 PM  

mesmer242: All fiesta supplies must be purchased at fiesta and eaten on fiestaware or your fiesta doesn't count.


I bet they even have supplies for fiestas in your pantalones
 
2014-04-26 10:19:32 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: We could just celebrate "We Kicked Mexico's Ass Day," but we'd have to move Groundhog Day to some other date.


Which time?
 
2014-04-26 10:19:56 PM  

rebelyell2006: AngryDragon: Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy

Then stop reading the Daily Caller and other derpfests. Legitimate news sources don't call all white people racist, only conservative outrage machines do that.


I didn't realize Fox News had hired Al Sharpton.
 
2014-04-26 10:20:14 PM  

Wangiss: God-is-a-Taco: Anything a white person does can and will be considered racist, because they're often stupid enough to be convinced that it's racist.
White people care too much. Tolerance is interpreted as weakness and stuff like this happens and will continue to happen until white people grow a collective backbone and start to actually like themselves and their history and culture. But that won't happen.

I am white and love my culture and background. I could have sworn that was what makes me racist. Get your definitions together, haters.


which white culture?   Russian? Ashkenazi Jew? Scots?  French? Afrikaaner?
 
2014-04-26 10:21:31 PM  
Meanwhile in San Antonio:


ww4.hdnux.com
events.scenergy-dating.com
www.gallowayresearch.com
www.cowboysindians.com


Oh the victimization!  I cant watch it anymore!  When will the violence against minorities end???!!!
 
2014-04-26 10:25:35 PM  
HectorSchwartz:
And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk... Capitalism isn't a bad thing. If you're so against it, GTFO. Nobody is stopping you.


Everyone is more racist than you, and liberals are all pinko commies who should love it or leave it. Because America isn't a democracy it's fascism where you either are with us or you get lined up and shot.
 
2014-04-26 10:26:27 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: Bob Robert: Is this the new daily thread where poor oppressed white people suffering persecution complexes whine and complain about how everyone else is the real racist?

Nah, just the one where you show up and spout off like a douche. Cya tomorrow!


You get up every morning just to try and piss off others and project your insecurities and ignorance? What a sad life, no wonder you blame everyone else for your own issues.
 
2014-04-26 10:27:43 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Hispanic-German-Irish-Brit


Hispanic is a country? Or are you creating a myth about your heritage and can't decide which country you want to pretend to have roots from?
 
2014-04-26 10:30:43 PM  
She decreed her distaste for "the Americanization of Cinco de Mayo and its construction as a drinking holiday in the United States

According to some of my Hispanic college professors, Cinco de Mayo is a far bigger holiday among Mexican Americans than among Mexicans
 
2014-04-26 10:31:42 PM  

Bob Robert: DeadPuppySociety: Bob Robert: Is this the new daily thread where poor oppressed white people suffering persecution complexes whine and complain about how everyone else is the real racist?

Nah, just the one where you show up and spout off like a douche. Cya tomorrow!

You get up every morning just to try and piss off others and project your insecurities and ignorance? What a sad life, no wonder you blame everyone else for your own issues.


i read the entire thread and didn't see anyone call the woman in TFA racist or any other culture racist. I did see some jokes about it, like the poster who said maybe Americans should be offended that most Mexicans wear jeans and tees. But that was sarcasm and not to be taken seriously. No-one thinks that is racist, or that it's racist to complain about holidays. They just think it's asinine. About the only real remarks I saw about racism were people being shocked that white people are always seen as racist. That doesn't assume the accusers are racist themselves. You are dumb.
 
2014-04-26 10:36:57 PM  

Bob Robert: HectorSchwartz: The rancher had a point. The system is just a racist as it ever was. Instead of slavery, we just throw young black men in prison.

This rancher has a point that the politicians he supports are all for the war on drugs and the 3 strikes laws that ruin the lives of minorities who mostly have no other choice but to sell drugs for an income because they have bad public schools and lack of jobs thanks to racist capitalists like this rancher.


rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.
 
2014-04-26 10:39:47 PM  

Fafai: i read the entire thread and didn't see anyone call the woman in TFA racist or any other culture racist.



Now you're just playing dumb and naive...

Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy

Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

What real "problem" is to a lot of people.

Stop expecting everyone to worship non-stop at the alter of multiculturalism. Sometimes people want an festive excuse to get drunk with strangers and have fun. People have used holidays, real or made up, for this reason for ages. St. Patties, Day, Halloween, New Years, and yes Cinco de Mayo, among many others. Even Christmas parties are an excuse to get drunk and feel up your drunk secretary at an office party. Nobody is disrespecting your culture any more than they disrespect their own on other holidays. Who cares?

AngryDragon: Are you white? Do you use the word "fiesta" when throwing a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? Then you are as racist as a deadbeat cattle rancher in Nevada who hangs out with the owner of the Clippers

At least that's what I'm being told.

/white guy

Beat me to it. But yes you're right. That seems to be the overriding message a lot of these groups are really trying to say. And a lot of us are getting pretty damned tired of it.

I am offended by whiny Mexicans that cry about cinco de mayo celibrations.  When are we going to do something about that?

We could just celebrate "We Kicked Mexico's Ass Day," but we'd have to move Groundhog Day to some other date.

You can tell the relative strength or weakness of a culture by the things they take offence at.

White = racist.

Thread over.


 
2014-04-26 10:40:15 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: Rincewind53: orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.

Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.

I do see a lot of Mexicans (ethnic wise at least) around SoCal wearing cowboy and and boots, and they do seem to have a thing for mustaches.  There are "vaquero" shops in a lot of the neighborhoods, but really it's all just "western wear" with a slightly ethnic spin to it.  They look like brown Texans.


Maybe they are Texans

All them how they feel about Selina
 
2014-04-26 10:41:50 PM  

Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.


They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.
 
2014-04-26 10:42:59 PM  

Bob Robert: Now you're just playing dumb and naive...


And I can go on to page 2 and beyond if you want more proof.
 
2014-04-26 10:44:30 PM  

Maul555: Meanwhile in San Antonio:


[ww4.hdnux.com image 810x540]
[events.scenergy-dating.com image 739x476]
[www.gallowayresearch.com image 800x600]
[www.cowboysindians.com image 650x400]


Oh the victimization!  I cant watch it anymore!  When will the violence against minorities end???!!!


All I can think about is Charles Barkley complaining about the fat women.
 
2014-04-26 10:45:25 PM  

Bob Robert: Nemo's Brother: Hispanic-German-Irish-Brit

Hispanic is a country? Or are you creating a myth about your heritage and can't decide which country you want to pretend to have roots from?


Hispaniola was, he could be Dominican or Haitian
 
2014-04-26 10:45:41 PM  

loonatic112358: DrunkWithImpotence: Rincewind53: orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.

Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.

I do see a lot of Mexicans (ethnic wise at least) around SoCal wearing cowboy and and boots, and they do seem to have a thing for mustaches.  There are "vaquero" shops in a lot of the neighborhoods, but really it's all just "western wear" with a slightly ethnic spin to it.  They look like brown Texans.

Maybe they are Texans

All them how they feel about Selina


I thought a Texan WAS a Mexican on his way to Oklahoma.  Or maybe Dartmouth.
 
2014-04-26 10:45:59 PM  

loonatic112358: Hispaniola was, he could be Dominican or Haitian


We both know that isn't what he means.
 
2014-04-26 10:48:48 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Wangiss: God-is-a-Taco: Anything a white person does can and will be considered racist, because they're often stupid enough to be convinced that it's racist.
White people care too much. Tolerance is interpreted as weakness and stuff like this happens and will continue to happen until white people grow a collective backbone and start to actually like themselves and their history and culture. But that won't happen.

I am white and love my culture and background. I could have sworn that was what makes me racist. Get your definitions together, haters.

which white culture?   Russian? Ashkenazi Jew? Scots?  French? Afrikaaner?


Prussian. Got eliminated by another culture, which of course was our just deserts.

Which is actually a tidy summary of EVERYWHERE FARKING ETHNICITY IN HUMAN HISTORY, but I digress.
 
2014-04-26 10:51:15 PM  

thisisarepeat: loonatic112358: DrunkWithImpotence: Rincewind53: orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.

Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.

I do see a lot of Mexicans (ethnic wise at least) around SoCal wearing cowboy and and boots, and they do seem to have a thing for mustaches.  There are "vaquero" shops in a lot of the neighborhoods, but really it's all just "western wear" with a slightly ethnic spin to it.  They look like brown Texans.

Maybe they are Texans

All them how they feel about Selina

I thought a Texan WAS a Mexican on his way to Oklahoma.  Or maybe Dartmouth.


That's not Oklahoma it's just north Texas
 
2014-04-26 10:51:20 PM  

gibbon1: RKTeuthis: Taking offense at a bunch of people partying with a ton of food, booze, and music?

Are they sure she's Mexican?

I'm kinda wondering she sounds like she isn't confident in her cultural identity. Consider

Would a Japanese citizen be pissed off about a Samurai Party?
A British man upset about a Limey Party? Personally I think British culture is one 800 year long self-parody.
A California about a Surf's Up Dude party?

No.


I take it you missed the whole "It's my culture not a costume" thing.
 
2014-04-26 10:52:08 PM  

Bob Robert: loonatic112358: Hispaniola was, he could be Dominican or Haitian

We both know that isn't what he means.


Maybe maybe no, but you got to ask yourself do you feel lucky, well do you?
 
2014-04-26 10:52:38 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.


They pay taxes. Keep up.
 
2014-04-26 10:55:17 PM  

Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.

They pay taxes. Keep up.



Do you know how public schools are funded? I didn't think so.
 
2014-04-26 10:55:32 PM  

Bob Robert: loonatic112358: Hispaniola was, he could be Dominican or Haitian

We both know that isn't what he means.


Hey, we multiracial people don't always know exactly where every bit of our DNA comes from.  I'm primarily Germanic and Norwegian but there are other bits in there, hell one family member who's name we no longer mention claimed to have found some French in the lineage.  Either way I can't be racist.
 
2014-04-26 10:55:54 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.

They pay taxes. Keep up.


Do you know how public schools are funded? I didn't think so.


By taxes. We've been over this. Have you ever been to Manhattan?
 
2014-04-26 10:56:35 PM  

loonatic112358: Bob Robert: loonatic112358: Hispaniola was, he could be Dominican or Haitian

We both know that isn't what he means.

Maybe maybe no, but you got to ask yourself do you feel lucky, well do you?


The fact he can pinpoint exactly all the European countries where his roots can be traced, I bet he could tell you the cities, yet gives a general "Hispanic" when discussing his non Aryan roots is all the evidence I need to make an educated guess.
 
2014-04-26 10:56:40 PM  

thisisarepeat: Bob Robert: loonatic112358: Hispaniola was, he could be Dominican or Haitian

We both know that isn't what he means.

Hey, we multiracial people don't always know exactly where every bit of our DNA comes from.  I'm primarily Germanic and Norwegian but there are other bits in there, hell one family member who's name we no longer mention claimed to have found some French in the lineage.  Either way I can't be racist.


There's always Asia
 
2014-04-26 10:57:00 PM  

Bob Robert: Bob Robert: Now you're just playing dumb and naive...

And I can go on to page 2 and beyond if you want more proof.


"More" proof? You still have yet to prove that anyone was calling "everyone else" the real racist. I saw accusations toward groups of being whiny, easily offended, entitled, but not "the real racists". A couple of those comments were borderling racist sure but that's not the same as turning it around and crying racism.
 
2014-04-26 10:57:18 PM  

Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.

They pay taxes. Keep up.


Do you know how public schools are funded? I didn't think so.

By taxes. We've been over this. Have you ever been to Manhattan?



By taxes isn't specific enough. Keep trying. Have you ever been to a class room?
 
2014-04-26 10:57:42 PM  

Bob Robert: loonatic112358: Bob Robert: loonatic112358: Hispaniola was, he could be Dominican or Haitian

We both know that isn't what he means.

Maybe maybe no, but you got to ask yourself do you feel lucky, well do you?

The fact he can pinpoint exactly all the European countries where his roots can be traced, I bet he could tell you the cities, yet gives a general "Hispanic" when discussing his non Aryan roots is all the evidence I need to make an educated guess.


He never said he was from Iran
 
2014-04-26 10:58:21 PM  

Fafai: Bob Robert: Bob Robert: Now you're just playing dumb and naive...

And I can go on to page 2 and beyond if you want more proof.

"More" proof? You still have yet to prove that anyone was calling "everyone else" the real racist. I saw accusations toward groups of being whiny, easily offended, entitled, but not "the real racists". A couple of those comments were borderling racist sure but that's not the same as turning it around and crying racism.



Repeating your question with even more anger after I proved it wrong with quotes is not going to win you any debate competitions.  Cut your losses and admit defeat.
 
2014-04-26 10:58:28 PM  

loonatic112358: thisisarepeat: loonatic112358: DrunkWithImpotence: Rincewind53: orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.

Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.

I do see a lot of Mexicans (ethnic wise at least) around SoCal wearing cowboy and and boots, and they do seem to have a thing for mustaches.  There are "vaquero" shops in a lot of the neighborhoods, but really it's all just "western wear" with a slightly ethnic spin to it.  They look like brown Texans.

Maybe they are Texans

All them how they feel about Selina

I thought a Texan WAS a Mexican on his way to Oklahoma.  Or maybe Dartmouth.

That's not Oklahoma it's just north Texas


Heh, it is just like Texas but with 3.2 beer.  God awful place.
 
2014-04-26 11:00:08 PM  

HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.

I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...


That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.
 
2014-04-26 11:00:16 PM  

thisisarepeat: loonatic112358: thisisarepeat: loonatic112358: DrunkWithImpotence: Rincewind53: orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.

Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.

I do see a lot of Mexicans (ethnic wise at least) around SoCal wearing cowboy and and boots, and they do seem to have a thing for mustaches.  There are "vaquero" shops in a lot of the neighborhoods, but really it's all just "western wear" with a slightly ethnic spin to it.  They look like brown Texans.

Maybe they are Texans

All them how they feel about Selina

I thought a Texan WAS a Mexican on his way to Oklahoma.  Or maybe Dartmouth.

That's not Oklahoma it's just north Texas

Heh, it is just like Texas but with 3.2 beer.  God awful place.


I'd call it all north Mexico but I'm sure our politicians are too crooked
 
2014-04-26 11:00:51 PM  

Snarfangel: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.

I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...

That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.


Is this a bronie thing?
 
2014-04-26 11:00:55 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.

They pay taxes. Keep up.


Do you know how public schools are funded? I didn't think so.

By taxes. We've been over this. Have you ever been to Manhattan?


By taxes isn't specific enough. Keep trying. Have you ever been to a class room?


Sure. You must be pretending all public schools are elementary schools under the tax-by-district system about which you assume I'm ignorant.
 
2014-04-26 11:01:07 PM  

Bob Robert: Fafai: Bob Robert: Bob Robert: Now you're just playing dumb and naive...

And I can go on to page 2 and beyond if you want more proof.

"More" proof? You still have yet to prove that anyone was calling "everyone else" the real racist. I saw accusations toward groups of being whiny, easily offended, entitled, but not "the real racists". A couple of those comments were borderling racist sure but that's not the same as turning it around and crying racism.


Repeating your question with even more anger after I proved it wrong with quotes is not going to win you any debate competitions.  Cut your losses and admit defeat.


You didn't prove shiat. No-one called non-whites racist.
 
2014-04-26 11:03:03 PM  
Man so many xkcd comics could apply to this thread and I'm on mobile and too damn lazy to post them

Queue someone is wrong to start
 
2014-04-26 11:03:11 PM  

loonatic112358: Snarfangel: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.

I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...

That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.

Is this a bronie thing?



No, not bronies. More like Fatso de Mustard.
1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com
 
2014-04-26 11:04:02 PM  

Fafai: Bob Robert: Fafai: Bob Robert: Bob Robert: Now you're just playing dumb and naive...

And I can go on to page 2 and beyond if you want more proof.

"More" proof? You still have yet to prove that anyone was calling "everyone else" the real racist. I saw accusations toward groups of being whiny, easily offended, entitled, but not "the real racists". A couple of those comments were borderling racist sure but that's not the same as turning it around and crying racism.


Repeating your question with even more anger after I proved it wrong with quotes is not going to win you any debate competitions.  Cut your losses and admit defeat.

You didn't prove shiat. No-one called non-whites racist.


in debate competitions I'm pretty sure people have to back up how their quotes and sources are relevant to their claims instead of just blindly quoting anything they hope will somehow stick.
 
2014-04-26 11:04:04 PM  
"We take these concerns very seriously," Courtney Wong said. "And we want to make sure that we respect the diversity of the broader community."
 
2014-04-26 11:07:34 PM  
Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "We take these concerns very seriously," Courtney Wong said. "And we want to make sure that we respect the diversity of the broader damer community."

/Shame on you, Courtney.
 
2014-04-26 11:10:46 PM  

loonatic112358: thisisarepeat: loonatic112358: thisisarepeat: loonatic112358: DrunkWithImpotence: Rincewind53: orbister: Rincewind53: Racism being used more in the "bigotry" sense, though serapes (the ponchos) are also associated with indigenous outfits, so there's a whole tinge of colonialism too...

Is it racist to copy Mexicans wearing clothes from the culture their ancestors destroyed? I missed the memo.

Well, considering that pretty much no Mexicans wear serapes anymore except mostly poor people in indigenous communities, kinda.

You know what most Mexicans wear? Jeans and T-shirts.

I do see a lot of Mexicans (ethnic wise at least) around SoCal wearing cowboy and and boots, and they do seem to have a thing for mustaches.  There are "vaquero" shops in a lot of the neighborhoods, but really it's all just "western wear" with a slightly ethnic spin to it.  They look like brown Texans.

Maybe they are Texans

All them how they feel about Selina

I thought a Texan WAS a Mexican on his way to Oklahoma.  Or maybe Dartmouth.

That's not Oklahoma it's just north Texas

Heh, it is just like Texas but with 3.2 beer.  God awful place.

I'd call it all north Mexico but I'm sure our politicians are too crooked


Depends on how you look at it, there is a lot more to steal here so the dollar figures are probably higher but I'm pretty sure 10% of Mexico's budget goes to various generalissimos
 
2014-04-26 11:12:45 PM  
Well I'm offend that they are using a "ph" instead of a "f" when spelling fiesta.
 
2014-04-26 11:35:32 PM  

dennysgod: Well I'm offend that they are using a "ph" instead of a "f" when spelling fiesta.



Welcome to Phark.
 
2014-04-26 11:35:41 PM  
I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting
 
2014-04-26 11:40:08 PM  
I'm offended that they're offended.
 
2014-04-26 11:52:01 PM  
I'm white and I use it. After growing up in PR, being engaged to a Colombian, working around 50% Mexicans, etc., I've more than earned the right. To these idiots: callete tu pinche hocico, y chingale!

Does this rule count for Argentinians, then? Most of the population of Argentina is white, so essentially you're saying they can't use their own language. Babones.
 
2014-04-26 11:54:30 PM  

Kit Fister: Is one still considered racist if one basically has no respect for anyone and doesn't care about offending any particular group?


It depends, of course, on what group YOU are in.  There is no objective measure.
 
2014-04-27 12:02:41 AM  

Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.


I'm Irish, born on St. Patrick's Day, and have no problem with people calling it St. Paddy's Day without knowing that Paddy is an anti-Irish term. And I watch 'It's Always Sunny' and could care less the bar on the show is named Paddy's. Paddy wagon? No prob. Fighting Irish? Could care less.
 
2014-04-27 12:08:39 AM  

kling_klang_bed: St. Paddy's Day without knowing that Paddy is an anti-Irish term.


I always thought it was the diminutive of Padraig, no more, no less.
 
2014-04-27 12:21:27 AM  

ko_kyi: kling_klang_bed: St. Paddy's Day without knowing that Paddy is an anti-Irish term.

I always thought it was the diminutive of Padraig, no more, no less.


No clue on that one.
 
2014-04-27 01:03:14 AM  

inspectorxer0: I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting


oh really?

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-27 01:06:06 AM  
Thought it was strange, after moving to NM, the highest percentage Hispanic state in the union, and asked about cinco de mayo,expecting a big blow out. Coworkers told me it is recognized here, but not in the batshiat kind of way like other states.I thought that was strange. In Texas, any day is a good reason to get borracho. Fiesta is going on right now, but to me the prices of the beers keep going up, and the cups get smaller. Better now to drink somewhere else, save the money, and milling around the throngs.
 
2014-04-27 01:12:49 AM  

CygnusDarius: orbister: Bonzo_1116: That's a much more complicated question than you might think, see the CygnusDarius post up thread.

It's confusing fir us Europeans, because Americans are so very, very much more sensitive about race than we are. For example, this whole idea of a "Hispanic" race seems bizarre here: we've got a whole Iberian peninsula stuffed with darker-skinned people speaking Spanish and Portuguese, and it would never, ever occur to anyone here that Spanish and French people might be different races.

Must be a historical thing, I suppose. Perhaps a desire to maintain some sort of personal heritage in a melting pot. Still hard to get our heads around.

I've never really understood the whole 'race' thing in humans as a concept; for example, all dogs are Canis familiaris, yet a St. Bernard is completely different to a Chihuahua, but both still share the same name.

I see humans equally in that regard. The whole ethnic/cultural thing to me reeks of Eugenics, mixed in with Xenophobia. To be fair, I wish we could just dump all this and the the global Ramones/Daft Punk/KISS/Beastie Boys/P-Funk party started.


Agreed. Apart from being a commercial qualifier in the industry that breeds cats, dogs and horses, race does not exist. It has no scientific backing. There isn't even a subspecies - we humans fark too much and much too easily for that.
 
2014-04-27 01:19:19 AM  

Frederick: inspectorxer0: I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting

oh really?

[img.fark.net image 196x258]


The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Corsican.  Half-French and still Lost.

Ringo had it right:

"In the two hundred plus years of our country, we have been involved in wars with the French several times," Weaver said reluctantly. "All of them as allies and all but one to our net detriment. Basically, Mr. President, every time the French get involved in anything, they tend to do more damage to their allies than to their enemies. Examples redound but Vietnam, the War on Terror and World Wars One and Two all come to mind."
"In fact, Mr. President, there was significant discussion of what to do on the way back," Spectre finally admitted. "And the last time we can recall the U.S. benefiting from having the French involved with us was in the Revolution."
"Which, I'd like to add, was when they were under the Bourbons," First Sergeant Powell pointed out. "So, basically, if they're willing to bring back the aristos, we'll think about it. Otherwise, our recommendation is that they be excluded
."
 
2014-04-27 01:25:16 AM  
Of course, the real disgrace here is that Miss You're-Insulting-My-Heritage doesn't seem to care that the "fiesta" was a CHARITY EVENT, with the proceeds going to a cardiac care clinic. If it had been merely a typical sombrero-wearing tequila-drinking frat party she might (barely) have had a point; but this was a fundraising event. Which was canceled because the "proud first generation Hispanic woman of color" decided to throw a hissy fit over her culture being appropriated, and the evil white racist college folded like a cheap lawn chair and felt it was better to coddle the tender feelings of one aggrieved junior than to raise money for a worthwhile cause.

Now, if it hadn't been called a "fiesta" (or a "phiesta", whatever that may be) and was MERELY a fundraising event which featured pina coladas, guacamole, burritos and salsa, would Senorita Hernandez have been equally upset that they were eating her special ethnic food without the proper reverence, or are us white folks now restricted to biscuits and gravy like the crackers we are?
 
2014-04-27 01:29:37 AM  

meyerkev: Animatronik: I think the fact that they had to cancel this party is evidence of an intolerant climate at Dartmouth. I already told my kid not to bother applying to Columbia, now we can add Dartmouth to the list. And of course the schools rep for drunkenness and debauchery and lack of respect for women has actually caused applications to drop.

/ of course my kid can go wherever, it's a question of what I'll pay for.

You should've crossed them off a while ago.   http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579479501 134392562 - Fark does not like WSJ.  Google "Oppressed by the Ivy League".
And of course, Claremont College:http://articles.latimes.com/2004/mar/18/local/me-claremont18
And University of Michigan is just crazy.

Look, every single liberal arts department is like this.  They're CRAZY.  End of story.

/Thank gods U of Michigan had a separate campus for engineering.  That way we didn't have to deal with BAMN.
//And then of course, because of mismatch theory, all of the elite kids were white and Asian.  Which was really funny.  "We are for diversity to the point where a black kid with a 2.5 is equal to a white kid with a 3.5" -> "shiat.  The black kids all dropped out because they were at the bottom of the class.  I wonder why".


Probably because insufferable asses like you made their lives miserable through being racists.
 
2014-04-27 01:38:45 AM  
What the hell is a Cinco de Mayo charity fundraiser? I don't know anybody named a Cinco de Mayo, is he some kind of Mexican Senator... um... Mayor?
The hell I'll give to some mayor. Fund raisers ought to be for common folk. I'm not playing your conservative games.

Oh, the ice has melted in my rum and cola... and there is no rum and cola.
 
2014-04-27 02:17:53 AM  

Snarfangel: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.


I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...

That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.



img.fark.net


Ay Caramba!

 
2014-04-27 02:29:44 AM  

Yes this is dog: Snarfangel: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.
I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...

That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.



Ay Caramba!


Nice find, YTID.
 
2014-04-27 02:40:17 AM  

ghare: meyerkev: Animatronik: I think the fact that they had to cancel this party is evidence of an intolerant climate at Dartmouth. I already told my kid not to bother applying to Columbia, now we can add Dartmouth to the list. And of course the schools rep for drunkenness and debauchery and lack of respect for women has actually caused applications to drop.

/ of course my kid can go wherever, it's a question of what I'll pay for.

You should've crossed them off a while ago.   http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579479501 134392562 - Fark does not like WSJ.  Google "Oppressed by the Ivy League".
And of course, Claremont College:http://articles.latimes.com/2004/mar/18/local/me-claremont18
And University of Michigan is just crazy.

Look, every single liberal arts department is like this.  They're CRAZY.  End of story.

/Thank gods U of Michigan had a separate campus for engineering.  That way we didn't have to deal with BAMN.
//And then of course, because of mismatch theory, all of the elite kids were white and Asian.  Which was really funny.  "We are for diversity to the point where a black kid with a 2.5 is equal to a white kid with a 3.5" -> "shiat.  The black kids all dropped out because they were at the bottom of the class.  I wonder why".

Probably because insufferable asses like you made their lives miserable through being racists.


I'm laughing at the people running the affirmative action scam.  

The point of mismatch theory is that the black kids who were prepared for Michigan went to Stanford or MIT or CMU or ?PI instead instead.

Whereas the kids who went to MIchigan got a full gradepoint (No joke.  Literal Supreme Court case about it back during the Bush Administration and when they went to holistic admissions, it didn't get any better, it just got less official).  And I don't care how good they were, they were unprepared. (On the average, as a whole. 1 or 2 notable exceptions)  If you're going into engineering and your first math class in college is pre-calculus because you didn't have it in high school, unprepared.  And since it's difficult to tell the difference between "bad schools, 2.5 GPA" and "Lacks ability, 2.5 GPA", a non-zero percentage (I'd say about 30%) of them honestly lacked the ability (Bright kids, just not #25 school in the country good).  Of course, since all of our classes were curved grading, and since whites got no preference and Asians got screwed, well, the ones who should have been at Stanford or the various good schools came to Michigan instead. Asians generally led the curve, whites rounded it out, and URM's failed in high numbers for absolutely no fault of their own.

The entire point of mismatch theory is that the preparation curve looks like this.  (Using the SAT as an admittedly imperfect proxy.  Oh, and it's old data but well, http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html).

i1087.photobucket.com i1087.photobucket.com i1087.photobucket.com

And then since everyone wants a bunch of minorities, they dig down deeper to get them.

No white or Asian kid without legacy parents or uncommon athletic or artistic ability has any shot at all at a top 20 school without a GPA of 4.0 or higher and SAT combined score over 1400.
According to the College Board, however, just 1500 African Americans scored 700 on either the Math or Reading SAT-which means almost certainly fewer than 1500 scored 700 on both.

The number of African Americans at the top 20 schools, using 2008 data (saved me looking up the individual common data sets), is 2,217.

Mind you, this isn't the problem.  Harvard wants to take 750-800 whites and 675-800 blacks, well, at least the top end matches, and it's at least technically possible to make that up.   The problem is that  since the kids whom the lower level would normally take don't exist because they're at Harvard, by the time you get really far down the chain:

At 35th ranked NYU, 34-42% of their admits received 700 or higher on the Math or Reading SAT, while only 12-14% of the students were accepted with scores below 600 on either section. It's probably just a coincidence that their Hispanic and black admits combined were 15%? So by 35th ranked NYU, they are reaching down into the 500s. Berkeley, at #21, accepts 3-5% of students with scores in the 400s,

So these kids waltz into class unprepared and below the median, missing critical background information, get graded on a curve, fail, and then drop out.  Or eek through with a B-/C+ average somehow.  Seriously, they do WORSE than they would have at a regular school.   http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth - about-affirmative-action/263122/ - "The student who would flourish at, say, Wake Forest, instead finds himself at Duke, where the professors are not teaching at a pace designed for him"

And if you think that's wrong, well, the net effect of any one school that isn't HYPS removing racial preferences is to remove almost all racial minorities from their student body. At which point the accreditation body will go "WTF?"   Because the kids who are actually of equal preparedness are getting offers from schools one or two levels up the food-chain, and going there instead.  (And then failing or ending up at the bottom of the class in large numbers).

/Seriously, those kids were about as unprepared for Michigan as I was when I missed the first semester of 4th grade Spanish.  Didn't learn a word for 3 years until they started over from scratch in 7th grade.  Not surprised that those kids ended up being completely out of their depth.
 
2014-04-27 03:00:20 AM  

Wangiss: Yes this is dog: Snarfangel: HectorSchwartz: redsquid: CygnusDarius: I'm sure we can still be different without adding melamine/diet/climatic variations that make us physically different into the mix.
I refuse to tolerate anyone with cheap countertops. You have to draw the line somewhere. Cultured marble power!

And completely unlike the media and Dems who are just as racist but pretend not to be. I would actually argue MORE racist, but you are clearly too brainwashed to see it.

Also, you pinko, bed wetting, commie jerk...

That's an idea. Let's celebrate Pinko de Mayo instead.

Ay Caramba!

Nice find, YTID.


Thank you, and in retrospect, I'm very glad I had Safe Search on when GISing 'pink mayonnaise.'
 
2014-04-27 03:45:00 AM  
The complaining biatch better never celebrate a holiday that isn't specific to her nationality or belief structure, name her child anything that is out of normality for her ethnic background, or say any/write any words that do not directly originate from her native land, or else I'm gonna sue.

/am I doing it right?
 
2014-04-27 04:45:45 AM  
I think they should reschedule the party, just call it "Party" and serve exactly the same food and raise exactly the same funds for exactly the same charity.  It's like when Americans used to (I don't know if they still do) freak out in early 2000s and around Obama's election period when they heard that people went to "Madrassas" (DUM DUM DAAAAAAHHHH).  It's just a word for school.  Obama went to a School.  Maybe he learned some Islam while there but that's pretty normal, just like it's still normal for government schools in england to include some CofE teachings.  So yeah, Party.  Not Phiesta if that's racist.  Sounds like good food.
 
2014-04-27 05:07:13 AM  

a flying monkey made me do it: I think they should reschedule the party, just call it "Party" and serve exactly the same food and raise exactly the same funds for exactly the same charity.  It's like when Americans used to (I don't know if they still do) freak out in early 2000s and around Obama's election period when they heard that people went to "Madrassas" (DUM DUM DAAAAAAHHHH).  It's just a word for school.  Obama went to a School.  Maybe he learned some Islam while there but that's pretty normal, just like it's still normal for government schools in england to include some CofE teachings.  So yeah, Party.  Not Phiesta if that's racist.  Sounds like good food.


NO! It cant happen now cuz finals and it has to be this biatches fault!

/goodnight
 
2014-04-27 05:29:57 AM  

a flying monkey made me do it: So yeah, Party.  Not Phiesta if that's racist.  Sounds like good food.


Maybe they could have a soirée and piss of that one French student.
 
2014-04-27 06:20:18 AM  

meyerkev: Frederick: inspectorxer0: I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting

oh really?

[img.fark.net image 196x258]

The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Corsican.  Half-French and still Lost.

Ringo had it right:

"In the two hundred plus years of our country, we have been involved in wars with the French several times," Weaver said reluctantly. "All of them as allies and all but one to our net detriment. Basically, Mr. President, every time the French get involved in anything, they tend to do more damage to their allies than to their enemies. Examples redound but Vietnam, the War on Terror and World Wars One and Two all come to mind."
"In fact, Mr. President, there was significant discussion of what to do on the way back," Spectre finally admitted. "And the last time we can recall the U.S. benefiting from having the French involved with us was in the Revolution."
"Which, I'd like to add, was when they were under the Bourbons," First Sergeant Powell pointed out. "So, basically, if they're willing to bring back the aristos, we'll think about it. Otherwise, our recommendation is that they be excluded."


Wait. You lost Vietnam, and you still want to point the finger elsewhere for that?! Words fail me.
 
2014-04-27 06:38:02 AM  
As other people have pointed out, Cinco de Mayo is a MEXICAN-AMERICAN holiday. It started in the United States, and then spread down to Mexico where it never really took off in the same way. It is a quintessentially American holiday, like Thanksgiving and President's day, though definitely between those two in popularity. It just started with the Mexican-American community and spread to the rest of the country, because unlike President's day, it became associated with food and booze. If you want to be a successful holiday in the US, you have to have at least one of three things, tons of booze, tons of candy, or tons of food. Because Fourth of July doesn't have quite the food or booze quotient of Thanksgiving or St. Patrick's day it has to make up for it with fireworks or it won't stay popular, even though it's our national holiday. It also helps if you have something for the marketing people to latch on to and be able to sell you. When you try to have a respectful, thoughtful, less commercial holiday all about culture you end up with Kwanzaa.

Her idea would do nothing but kill it as a holiday, which hardly seems fair to the rest of Mexican-Americans. They're a big portion of the US population, they should have the chance to have a holiday where everyone eats their ethnic food/drink and gets shiatfaced, just like the Irish and Germans do. It's how they can tell they've arrived.

Also, following her logic, would she try to stop recently immigrated asians from celebrating Christmas because they don't have it in their country?
 
2014-04-27 08:28:09 AM  

Truther: The world is going insane...


The world went insane a long time ago.  It is like there are only so many IQ points to go around, and the higher the population goes, the less there are to be divvied up.
 
2014-04-27 09:17:27 AM  

ambercat: As other people have pointed out, Cinco de Mayo is a MEXICAN-AMERICAN holiday. It started in the United States, and then spread down to Mexico where it never really took off in the same way. It is a quintessentially American holiday, like Thanksgiving and President's day, though definitely between those two in popularity. It just started with the Mexican-American community and spread to the rest of the country, because unlike President's day, it became associated with food and booze. If you want to be a successful holiday in the US, you have to have at least one of three things, tons of booze, tons of candy, or tons of food. Because Fourth of July doesn't have quite the food or booze quotient of Thanksgiving or St. Patrick's day it has to make up for it with fireworks or it won't stay popular, even though it's our national holiday. It also helps if you have something for the marketing people to latch on to and be able to sell you. When you try to have a respectful, thoughtful, less commercial holiday all about culture you end up with Kwanzaa.

Her idea would do nothing but kill it as a holiday, which hardly seems fair to the rest of Mexican-Americans. They're a big portion of the US population, they should have the chance to have a holiday where everyone eats their ethnic food/drink and gets shiatfaced, just like the Irish and Germans do. It's how they can tell they've arrived.

Also, following her logic, would she try to stop recently immigrated asians from celebrating Christmas because they don't have it in their country?


Da fuq?   I drink way more on 4th of july than thanksgiving...   The 4th of july is alcahol combined with explosives...   Thanksgiving is food, sports, and less alcohol due to all the farking food.
 
2014-04-27 09:23:54 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: meyerkev: Frederick: inspectorxer0: I wonder if "Mexican-born,American raised" Senorita Hernandez can tell us why cinco de mayo is celebrated and does she know it's a bigger deal in the US than Mexico.

Hint:the French are bad at fighting

oh really?

[img.fark.net image 196x258]

The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Corsican.  Half-French and still Lost.

Ringo had it right:

"In the two hundred plus years of our country, we have been involved in wars with the French several times," Weaver said reluctantly. "All of them as allies and all but one to our net detriment. Basically, Mr. President, every time the French get involved in anything, they tend to do more damage to their allies than to their enemies. Examples redound but Vietnam, the War on Terror and World Wars One and Two all come to mind."
"In fact, Mr. President, there was significant discussion of what to do on the way back," Spectre finally admitted. "And the last time we can recall the U.S. benefiting from having the French involved with us was in the Revolution."
"Which, I'd like to add, was when they were under the Bourbons," First Sergeant Powell pointed out. "So, basically, if they're willing to bring back the aristos, we'll think about it. Otherwise, our recommendation is that they be excluded."

Wait. You lost Vietnam, and you still want to point the finger elsewhere for that?! Words fail me.


I blame the Vitchy French
 
2014-04-27 09:30:20 AM  
I've said it a million times, and it seems that I need to say it again:

RACIAL INSENSITIVITY != RACISM.

Racism - The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.  When organized into large groups of people, it can lead to mass murder, genocide.

Insensitivity - The inability to respond to affective changes in your interpersonal environment.  When organized into large groups of people, it can lead to stupidity, assholeishness.
 
2014-04-27 10:06:27 AM  
i1282.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-27 10:15:15 AM  

fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.


Replaced with 3 layers of moonbat derp.
 
2014-04-27 10:31:44 AM  
Maul555:
Da fuq?   I drink way more on 4th of july than thanksgiving...   The 4th of july is alcahol combined with explosives...   Thanksgiving is food, sports, and less alcohol due to all the farking food.

You need to reorganize your Thanksgiving priorities.  Booze first then tamp it down with all the delicious foods.  Sports can wait.  Add another layer of booze during the sports.  It's like stomach lasagna.
 
2014-04-27 11:24:42 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Misconduc: White person celebrates Cinco de Mayo = racist
White person celebrates MLK JR day = racist
White person celebrates Christmas = racist
White person celebrates St. Patricks day = racist

I would add Thanksgiving, because the Indians are still pissed off over it, but they have casinos now so they don't care.

I wonder if the Italians are pissed at that Austrian Mozart guy for cultural appropriation of opera.



They certainly did not see it coming. Those Austrian guys tend to move with lightning speed.
 
2014-04-27 11:48:56 AM  

a flying monkey made me do it: Maul555:
Da fuq?   I drink way more on 4th of july than thanksgiving...   The 4th of july is alcahol combined with explosives...   Thanksgiving is food, sports, and less alcohol due to all the farking food.

You need to reorganize your Thanksgiving priorities.  Booze first then tamp it down with all the delicious foods.  Sports can wait.  Add another layer of booze during the sports.  It's like stomach lasagna.


No can do... I dont control the time we eat, and if I want to booze it up first, I would have to start first thing in the morning and then risk throwing up my thanksgiving meal in addition to other possible negative consequences...   Its a family event for crhists sake!   im not partying with my friends like on the 4th ^^
 
2014-04-27 12:32:49 PM  

Rincewind53: fusillade762: Link to original article for those who prefer avoiding two layers of right-wing derp.

Man, they had a "crips and bloods" themed party the year before? Yeaaaaaaaaaaah that's racist as shiat.


Are you being sarcastic or stupid?
 
2014-04-27 01:03:14 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.

Is University of Phoenix embarrassing to attend if you actually live in Phoenix?


Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years.  They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going.  They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.

Gen X could barely afford it, Gen Y and Z and millennials are opting out in greater numbers because it's just not affordable.  The entire system makes no sense.

If I had it to do over again, I would get a University of Phoenix degree without a second thought.  And much like the stigma of online dating has dissipated over the last ten years, the stigma of online college is also dissipating.  I would hire someone from University of Phoenix.
 
2014-04-27 01:07:27 PM  

Witness99: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.

Is University of Phoenix embarrassing to attend if you actually live in Phoenix?

Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years.  They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going.  They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.

Gen X could barely afford it, Gen Y and Z and millennials are opting out in greater numbers because it's just not affordable.  The entire system makes no sense.

If I had it to do over again, I would get a University of Phoenix degree without a second thought.  And much like the stigma of online dating has dissipated over the last ten years, the stigma of online college is also dissipating.  I would hire someone from University of Phoenix.


Having a UoP degree on your CV is a very easy way to end up in my circular file. I need engineers that can communicate in the real world not sit online all day and play World of Warcraft.
 
2014-04-27 01:12:44 PM  

Witness99: Gen X could barely afford it, Gen Y and Z and millennials are opting out in greater numbers because it's just not affordable.  The entire system makes no sense.


Good.

College should be for the top 20% or so, where they get 4 years of really directed training at whatever they're going to do.  (So say what you will about STEM, but those were 3 years of really good training, and 1 year of BS liberal arts classes.  And since I know someone's going to say it, we don't know how to teach people to learn how to learn, and there were easy pass courses that were either "Engineering courses under the Philosophy Banner" or "Complete Joke class because you're too busy to come to class with your 3 other classes")

If you need to do all those middle jobs, we need a better certification and low-level training process, NOT 4 years of college at ruinous cost.

/And then of course, we have no idea what to do with IQ's below 95 or so in the next few decades, but *shrug*.
 
2014-04-27 01:43:39 PM  

Fafai: Fafai: Bob Robert: Fafai: Bob Robert: Bob Robert: Now you're just playing dumb and naive...

And I can go on to page 2 and beyond if you want more proof.

"More" proof? You still have yet to prove that anyone was calling "everyone else" the real racist. I saw accusations toward groups of being whiny, easily offended, entitled, but not "the real racists". A couple of those comments were borderling racist sure but that's not the same as turning it around and crying racism.


Repeating your question with even more anger after I proved it wrong with quotes is not going to win you any debate competitions.  Cut your losses and admit defeat.

You didn't prove shiat. No-one called non-whites racist.

in debate competitions I'm pretty sure people have to back up how their quotes and sources are relevant to their claims instead of just blindly quoting anything they hope will somehow stick.



Blindly quoting the actual claims where posters cry about how everyone else is the real racist is not proving my point... you sitting here crying how "I read the entire thread and nobody said anything close to that" even after I proved it wrong is how real winnars debate.
 
2014-04-27 01:47:00 PM  

Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.

They pay taxes. Keep up.


Do you know how public schools are funded? I didn't think so.

By taxes. We've been over this. Have you ever been to Manhattan?


By taxes isn't specific enough. Keep trying. Have you ever been to a class room?

Sure. You must be pretending all public schools are elementary schools under the tax-by-district system about which you assume I'm ignorant.


I don't have to assume, I know. The only debate tactic you have used here is NO U. The rich dodge taxes, pay rates of 15-20% instead of over 35, and push through property tax schemes like Prop 13 in California.

Your only response so far has been "New York City!" You are ignorant.
 
2014-04-27 01:49:55 PM  

meyerkev: So these kids waltz into class unprepared and below the median, missing critical background information, get graded on a curve, fail, and then drop out. Or eek through with a B-/C+ average somehow. Seriously, they do WORSE than they would have at a regular school.


Affirmative Action is bad because it gives kids from disadvantaged backgrounds a better chance, and they are unprepared because their high schools are awful, so that means the admissions system for college is bad, not that their high schools are not preparing enough of them. Conservative "logic" in action.
 
2014-04-27 02:34:54 PM  

lacydog: Why should it be perfectly acceptable for a bunch of white students to just decide they're throwing a "Mexican" party, with little or no actual knowledge of what Mexican culture is like? The lady who wrote the letter is right - Cinco de Mayo is basically just treated as an excuse to dress in ridiculous ponchos/sombreros and drink tequila for white people. It's parading around a bunch of cultural assumptions and stereotypes for cheap thrills.

Rincewind53: Shostie: Also, I'm Irish and nominally Catholic. You don't see me b*tching about St. Patrick's Day.

Exactly. America is the land where international holidays come to be butchered, thrown into a meat grinder, and turned into capitalist sausage.

If the holiday is even the slightest bit fun, we can add alcohol to it, slap a few corporate logos on a sponsorship event, and away we go.

See, for example:
- St. Patrick's Day
- Cinco de Mayo
- Diwali

That we've done it for decades/centuries, doesn't mean that it's *right*. What's wrong for asking for a little more introspection about why we do these things? About whether we *should* do these things.


I have to ask, though--why  not? If it's hurting the culture we obviously shouldn't do it, of course, but remixing Cinco de Mayo or St. Patrick's Day? That's the sort of thing people have done throughout history. It's why we call cooked cow 'beef' instead of 'cow'.  Every culture does it (although I only really know the English-linguistic examples, hi, I'm a ridiculously specific nerd), so is that in and of itself wrong? If so, what is 'pure' culture? If not, what is the acceptable way to borrow?

/No, I'm serious, this is something I completely don't get.
 
2014-04-27 02:54:53 PM  

Witness99: Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years. They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going. They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.


Brick and Mortar Universities have been around for over a thousand years.  They aren't going to disappear because of the Internet.  The Information Age and debt may force changes in the modern university model, but there will always be a place for the Universities themselves.
 
2014-04-27 04:31:32 PM  

Witness99: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Nabb1: I think the next time I see Dartmouth on a resume, I'm going to give it the same respect as a resume with University of Phoenix on it.

Is University of Phoenix embarrassing to attend if you actually live in Phoenix?

Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years.  They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going.  They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.

Gen X could barely afford it, Gen Y and Z and millennials are opting out in greater numbers because it's just not affordable.  The entire system makes no sense.

If I had it to do over again, I would get a University of Phoenix degree without a second thought.  And much like the stigma of online dating has dissipated over the last ten years, the stigma of online college is also dissipating.  I would hire someone from University of Phoenix.


I graduated that way because I had to nurse my wife in illness. I'm the richest of my peers and I have my company by the nuts for job security. It's just part of the out-crowd for the academic tribe. Because (1) it's a threat and (2) enough graduates do in fact Suck to perpetuate the stereotype. But the same goes for thousands of institutions of higher learning.
 
2014-04-27 04:35:29 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: rich capitalists pay for the public schools that are then mismanaged by the statists. It's a circle of love.

They only pay for their own schools, that's why the schools in the bad areas are so broke they can't pay good teachers to stay. And mismanaged by fundamentalists who demand you give equal weight to theories of evolution and intelligent design, anti global warming, etc. Do you have a point actually backed up by logic? This is poor so far.

They pay taxes. Keep up.


Do you know how public schools are funded? I didn't think so.

By taxes. We've been over this. Have you ever been to Manhattan?


By taxes isn't specific enough. Keep trying. Have you ever been to a class room?

Sure. You must be pretending all public schools are elementary schools under the tax-by-district system about which you assume I'm ignorant.

I don't have to assume, I know. The only debate tactic you have used here is NO U. The rich dodge taxes, pay rates of 15-20% instead of over 35, and push through property tax schemes like Prop 13 in California.

Your only response so far has been "New York City!" You are ignorant.


I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.
 
2014-04-27 05:10:11 PM  

Wangiss: I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.


Well that is great news then, everyone go to a charter school! I love this plan, it is well thought out and intelligent.
 
2014-04-27 05:13:25 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.

Well that is great news then, everyone go to a charter school! I love this plan, it is well thought out and intelligent.


It was indeed a very well thought-out and intelligent plan and expanding the school's model would fix myriad problems, especially for the poor. But it would be bad for entrenched interests, so it won't happen.
 
2014-04-27 05:28:16 PM  

Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.

Well that is great news then, everyone go to a charter school! I love this plan, it is well thought out and intelligent.

It was indeed a very well thought-out and intelligent plan and expanding the school's model would fix myriad problems, especially for the poor. But it would be bad for entrenched interests, so it won't happen.



Now that time has caught up with charter schools, they are nothing like the savior that some people have pretended they would be. I am sorry you were never taught basic logic and common sense in school. That is what happens when someone is so one dimensional and only cares about enriching themselves so they can think they are better than everyone else.
 
2014-04-27 06:14:27 PM  

Bob Robert: Wangiss: Bob Robert: Wangiss: I graduated in California from a charter school along with my friends of various ethnic backgrounds. Your view of the school funding situation is an out-dated caricature and your assumption of ignorance has no basis.

Well that is great news then, everyone go to a charter school! I love this plan, it is well thought out and intelligent.

It was indeed a very well thought-out and intelligent plan and expanding the school's model would fix myriad problems, especially for the poor. But it would be bad for entrenched interests, so it won't happen.


Now that time has caught up with charter schools, they are nothing like the savior that some people have pretended they would be. I am sorry you were never taught basic logic and common sense in school. That is what happens when someone is so one dimensional and only cares about enriching themselves so they can think they are better than everyone else.


Your prejudice is hilarious. I enrich a lot of people. The charter school I attended is still doing very well and has spun off many other successful schools. It's not as one-dimensional as you make it out to be. Is there some reason you want to believe a new model can't work?

Also, I was doing geometric proofs at age nine, so spare me your Logic Supremacy. If you can point out a formal or even an informal fallacy in anything I've written so far, I'll be impressed.
 
2014-04-27 09:41:58 PM  

Mentat: Witness99: Brick and mortar universities (I went to one and worked at one) will not be around in 50 years. They are too cumbersome, expensive, inefficient and simply don't fit in with where society is going. They will go the way of the abandoned strip malls.

Brick and Mortar Universities have been around for over a thousand years.  They aren't going to disappear because of the Internet.  The Information Age and debt may force changes in the modern university model, but there will always be a place for the Universities themselves.


Ok, they may not "disappear." But things won't be the same in 50 years. They will be re-tooled, reworked, made to serve several additional purposes....whatever it takes to bring in the money they need for upkeep.

My stepdad got his PhD from University of Phoenix (along with a nice salary) and he teaches classes online for several different universities.

When I attempted (but did not finish) my masters degree in geotechnical engineering, I was working full time and taking online classes from University of Missouri - Rolla (now MST).

There is no difference between sitting in a class in person during the day, and sitting online at night, when it comes to class and instructor interaction.  I had one instructor that actually made it a point to call on me more often and draw attention to my internet presence within his class (which included warm, live, bodies).  But I had to be on my toes, because he was always asking me to provide solutions over the computer.
 
2014-04-28 03:49:56 AM  

Bob Robert: Fafai:
in debate competitions I'm pretty sure people have to back up how their quotes and sources are relevant to their claims instead of just blindly quoting anything they hope will somehow stick.

Blindly quoting the actual claims where posters cry about how everyone else is the real racist is not proving my point... you sitting here crying how "I read the entire thread and nobody said anything close to that" even after I proved it wrong is how real winnars debate.


You really had me going. 10/10
 
2014-04-28 04:02:30 AM  

Bob Robert: Blindly quoting the actual claims where posters cry about how everyone else is the real racist is not proving my point... you sitting here crying how "I read the entire thread and nobody said anything close to that" even after I proved it wrong is how real winnars debate.


Oh wait you meant me, not you. I actually think you're serious now given your conversation with Wangiss. Do real winnars debate by assuming and attacking the emotional mindset of their opponent, insisting that their irrelevant sources and quotes prove their claims without explaining how or why, and then claiming victory themselves and telling their opponents to admit defeat?

What kind of school did you go to where they let debate competition participants decide on their own victory? Did they let you make your own diploma with crayons and construction paper too?
 
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