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(Time)   Here's how you can tell when people are lying and aren't lying. Or is this just one big lie to make you look foolish? Guess you'll never know   (time.com) divider line 71
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2014-04-26 11:23:56 AM  
Everybody lies
 
2014-04-26 11:30:27 AM  
Check to see if their mouth is moving?
 
2014-04-26 12:45:07 PM  
I'm lying right now
 
2014-04-26 12:55:33 PM  
Times were easier when you could see their pants on fire.
 
2014-04-26 12:57:24 PM  
Rule One: The Doctor lies.
 
2014-04-26 12:57:32 PM  
www.finecooking.com
 
2014-04-26 01:00:10 PM  
Still no cure for liars who actually believe their own lies.
 
2014-04-26 01:01:19 PM  
www.troll.me
 
2014-04-26 01:05:10 PM  

" Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"


cdn01.dailycaller.com

 
2014-04-26 01:12:08 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMegqgGORY

Came here for this, leaving disappointed.
 
2014-04-26 01:13:17 PM  

LadySusan: I'm lying right now


No you're not.
 
2014-04-26 01:13:18 PM  
I'm a social psychologist, and this kind of stuff is what got me interested in the field in the first place. Sadly, though, there is no such thing as a bag of psychological tricks that will allow the user to do a Sherlock Scan, or become a "human lie detector".

These kinds of research findings are true when you can do precise measurements in controlled circumstances (e.g., Group A blinked 5% slower than Group B), but when we test peoples accuracy IRL, they are typically no better than chance. If we run our participants through a training program, they still end up no better than chance at detecting liars (in one study, having people watch Lie to Me actually made them WORSE due to increase in false positives).

What works best IRL is still the classic: check their statements against reality.
 
2014-04-26 01:15:18 PM  
1. They're selling you something.
1a. Including themselves: politicians and people in interviews
2. They're in corporate management.
 
2014-04-26 01:16:51 PM  
The problem with this article is that it seems to say that everything that people look for in a liar are actually things people do when they aren't lying. So if you try to do the the things that non-liars do, people will think you're lying.
 
2014-04-26 01:18:51 PM  
It's a surefire sign if the subject's face is red and he's pointing at it like so.
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-26 01:19:39 PM  

RogermcAllen: Still no cure for liars who actually believe their own lies.


Stop voting for them. It may not be a cure, but it will help society.
 
2014-04-26 01:23:09 PM  
My ex wife was convinced that she had 100 percent accuracy when detecting lies.

Big surprise, then, that she's my EX wife.
 
2014-04-26 01:25:08 PM  
"It is hard to believe a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place."
L. Ron Hubbard
g-ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-04-26 01:26:36 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: RogermcAllen: Still no cure for liars who actually believe their own lies.

Stop voting for them. It may not be a cure, but it will help society.


We will have no one to vote for then.
 
2014-04-26 01:26:57 PM  
You can usually tell when they dont share a lot of details in their stories and become evasive if you start asking questions. .
 
2014-04-26 01:32:15 PM  
Did  that farking article give anyone else a goddamn headache?
 
2014-04-26 01:32:55 PM  
Great, Article suggests everyone with introverted tendencies is a Liar.
 
2014-04-26 01:36:01 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-26 01:37:51 PM  

Mantour:


So if I don't believe it's a life, then it really is a life? Does it still work if I don't have a life?
 
2014-04-26 01:39:11 PM  
Ooopps, typo. Oh well

/Funny.
 
2014-04-26 01:43:33 PM  
Can't science just leave this one alone? I want to be able to lie without science messing things up for me.
 
2014-04-26 01:44:44 PM  
I'm the best liar on Fark. I've won the best Total Fark Lying Contest for the last 3 years. And I have the photos to prove it.


/once made a girl orgasm just by reading the phone book
 
2014-04-26 01:47:44 PM  

WTFDYW: LadySusan: I'm lying right now

No you're not.


You're right. I'm not smart enough to lie.
 
2014-04-26 01:52:54 PM  
I've been told I am a very good liar.  Probably because I am typically very candid, so the expectation, is I am telling them the truth, because that is almost always the case.  Add to that when I do lie, I will look you right in the eye while I'm doing it.
 
2014-04-26 01:56:14 PM  
I've got PPS, Pinocchio Penis Syndrome, and believe you me, you can tell I almost never lie.
 
2014-04-26 01:57:52 PM  

bionicjoe: 1. They're selling you something.
1a. Including themselves: politicians and people in interviews
2. They're in corporate management.


3) They are trying to get laid
 
2014-04-26 01:59:12 PM  

LadySusan: WTFDYW: LadySusan: I'm lying right now

No you're not.

You're right. I'm not smart enough to lie.


I don't believe you. ; )
 
2014-04-26 02:12:45 PM  

ElLoco: Check to see if their mouth is moving?


This.
 
2014-04-26 02:23:46 PM  
 Sicilians are great liars. The best in the world. I'm Sicilian. My father was the world heavy-weight champion of Sicilian liars. From growing up with him I learned the pantomime. There are seventeen different things a guy can do when he lies to give himself away. A guys got seventeen pantomimes. A woman's got twenty, but a guy's got seventeen... but, if you know them, like you know your own face, they beat lie detectors all to hell. Now, what we got here is a little game of show and tell. You don't wanna show me nothin', but you're tellin me everything. I know you know where they are, so tell me before I do some damage you won't walk away from.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000686/?ref_=tt_trv_qu
 
2014-04-26 02:23:51 PM  
My wife, Morgan Fairchild, is the best liar I know.
 
2014-04-26 02:43:56 PM  
Anyone who claims "honesty is the best policy" is a liar.
 
2014-04-26 02:45:08 PM  
I'm one of those people that gets nervous when questioned. I also blush easily and for reasons that have nothing to do with deceit.
 
2014-04-26 02:47:19 PM  
asbjornfilippa.bloglyric.com
Lie to me.
 
2014-04-26 02:47:24 PM  

viscountalpha: Anyone who claims "honesty is the best policy" is a liar.


Is that so?
 
2014-04-26 02:50:30 PM  

Son of Thunder: I'm a social psychologist, and this kind of stuff is what got me interested in the field in the first place. Sadly, though, there is no such thing as a bag of psychological tricks that will allow the user to do a Sherlock Scan, or become a "human lie detector".

These kinds of research findings are true when you can do precise measurements in controlled circumstances (e.g., Group A blinked 5% slower than Group B), but when we test peoples accuracy IRL, they are typically no better than chance. If we run our participants through a training program, they still end up no better than chance at detecting liars (in one study, having people watch Lie to Me actually made them WORSE due to increase in false positives).

What works best IRL is still the classic: check their statements against reality.


A lot of that.

Article was boring schlock, but a TED talk on the same subject is highly entertaining.
/would link it if TED talks weren't so easy to find on youtube

Lsherm: Did  that farking article give anyone else a goddamn headache?


A lot of that as well.  Whoever wrote it and/or formatted it should be shiatcanned.

Fallout Boy: You can usually tell when they dont share a lot of details in their stories and become evasive if you start asking questions. .


Doesn't hold up as a rule.  A lot of liars add a lot of un-necessary details and are able to recall them perfectly through repetitive telling.

One of the better summation rules I've heard is that you look not for "what liars do" but you look for signs that a person is doing things counter to that.

IE if it's commonly said liars look up and to the left, they'll be trying to circumvent that "known" tendency.  If that particular liar is under the opinion that liars are jittery and uncomfortable, they'll attempt to convey that they're open and relaxed.  If that liar is under the opinion that liars are tight mouthed or terse, they will babble in a friendly manner.

I find the topic entertaining because I've known all sorts of different liars.  Compulsive tale tellers to more dangerous types.  What's funny about compulsive types, is that they are not doing it out of any desire to fool or impress or get away with something, but that that's how they flavor life.  It's natural for them as breathing, whether they're good at it or not.  They exaggerate.  You may even see a lot of them in Hollywood and on TV, they're called actors.  In normal life, they're just characters.

And that's part of the problem with looking at it and looking for absolute rules.  There are a million and one motivations to lie, some including biological impulses....and there are just as many means of lying.  Omission, embellishment, whole cloth fiction, denial, etc.

There are no real standard rules, but in case by case examination of a specific liar, most of them will have tells.  It's that no tells are universal, indeed, many truthful people do the exact same given thing in their natural state. (Which is why a lot of innocent people get prosecuted, someone mistakenly believing that they are lying based on X behavior.)

Which is why, as a science, lie detecting is a bunk forgery, a lie in and of itself.  As an area of psychological study, that's another thing, something I very much approve of, that is valued science, because it recognizes it's own limitations enough to be of some use.
 
2014-04-26 02:57:56 PM  
I believe everyone in this thread.
I'm pretty gullible. In fact, if you turn to 'gullible' in the dictionary, it'll say "see starsrift(n.)".
 
2014-04-26 03:01:11 PM  
Everyone in King's Landing is a liar, and they are all better at it than you.
 
2014-04-26 03:10:55 PM  

starsrift: I believe everyone in this thread.
I'm pretty gullible. In fact, if you turn to 'gullible' in the dictionary, it'll say "see starsrift(n.)".


I did not! You liar!
 
2014-04-26 03:11:57 PM  

Silentbob768768: starsrift: I believe everyone in this thread.
I'm pretty gullible. In fact, if you turn to 'gullible' in the dictionary, it'll say "see starsrift(n.)".

I did not! You liar!


It* even
 
2014-04-26 03:20:21 PM  
I'd just ask him if he was  in a tree.
 
2014-04-26 03:22:26 PM  

Lsherm: Did  that farking article give anyone else a goddamn headache?


pretty much came here for this. Reads like a teenagers plaigerized essay. "If I change the font and margins a lot maybe they won't notice the load of crap"
 
2014-04-26 03:31:44 PM  

Lsherm: Did  that farking article give anyone else a goddamn headache?



Hey, at least it wasn't an article touting Neuro-linguistic programming and it's alleged quasi-magical ability to detect lies.
 
2014-04-26 03:40:00 PM  

Silentbob768768: Silentbob768768: starsrift: I believe everyone in this thread.
I'm pretty gullible. In fact, if you turn to 'gullible' in the dictionary, it'll say "see starsrift(n.)".

I did not! You liar!

It* even


Sure, like you even own a dictionary. I keep meticulous records of  everyone I've sold to and you are not on my list.
 
2014-04-26 03:48:14 PM  

CaptainFatass: It's a surefire sign if the subject's face is red and he's pointing at it like so.
[img.fark.net image 320x240]


Sheesh, if you're going to reference Henry Rollins at least link the video.
 
2014-04-26 03:49:40 PM  
I love the layout of that site.

/lying
 
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