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(Detroit Free Press)   USPS workers protest mail services at Staples, say if customers want the true post office experience of slow service they should have offered the contract to Best Buy   (freep.com) divider line 39
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2014-04-26 05:24:58 AM  
Oh please. I am paid 20.00/hr to support and troubleshoot medical hardware and patient safety software. It took me a year to be effective in this role, a Bachelor of Science + in information systems, and prior experience in server/client and hardware troubleshooting and basic electronics. 40 hours of classroom instruction? *sniff* cry me a river. Im in the wrong business. Maybe I should exercise that 10 point veterans preference and work for the post office. I can't do any worse than the guy we have now. Our mail does get to our residential curbside box until after 530pm most nights.
 
2014-04-26 05:33:36 AM  
In Issaquah, the post office seems to be staffed by the surliest Chinese immigrants they could find. Every person at the service counter is a surly Chinese immigrant woman. I suspect there's some nepotism going on there, but I can't prove it beyond the fact that the post office employees all seem to be made from the same cloth.

When I visited the FedEx office across the street, the service was so much better, not to mention faster.

If privatizing the mail means better service, I'm all for it.
 
2014-04-26 06:11:55 AM  
Yeah, citizens should have all of their government services privatized- mail, roads, prisons, oversight, etc.
AND continue to pay our taxes.
Right?
 
2014-04-26 07:23:33 AM  
The union says mail needs to be handled by well-trained professionals who take an oath to handle letters and packages with care
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Back when I still got Netflix DVDs by mail, a USPS guy was trying to fit too much stuff into the little PO box at my apartment complex, so he folded it all in half and stuck it in there.

/ On the bright side, it was some really terrible movie like Robocop 3, so maybe he was doing me a favor.
 
2014-04-26 07:56:31 AM  
I recently sent a computer off for a warranty repair. Had Staples not been open on a Saturday to take a late afternoon pickup, the package would have gone UPS or FedEx and would have cut USPS completely out of the loop.

As it was. I was pretty impressed by USPS. They picked up the package on Saturday, had it delivered across the country on Monday, at a rate cheaper than comparable service from the other two.
 
2014-04-26 08:28:33 AM  
FTFA:

The union says mail needs to be handled by well-trained professionals who take an oath to handle letters and packages with care. So the partnerhsip also raises privacy concerns.

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2014-04-26 09:36:58 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In Issaquah, the post office seems to be staffed by the surliest Chinese immigrants they could find. Every person at the service counter is a surly Chinese immigrant woman. I suspect there's some nepotism going on there, but I can't prove it beyond the fact that the post office employees all seem to be made from the same cloth.

When I visited the FedEx office across the street, the service was so much better, not to mention faster.

If privatizing the mail means better service, I'm all for it.


FedEx does provide excellent service, but they also charge a premium for it.  I'm happy with the USPS as a bargain.
 
2014-04-26 10:29:09 AM  
My local post office is actually staffed by really friendly and helpful people, I've never had to wait all that long, and my mail man is a pretty decent guy, though he occasionally makes an error.

So, I guess I won the postal lottery, or something.
 
2014-04-26 10:55:59 AM  
The local Office Depot here has USPS services, yet you don't see the outrage over them.
 
2014-04-26 10:56:34 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In Issaquah, the post office seems to be staffed by the surliest Chinese immigrants they could find. Every person at the service counter is a surly Chinese immigrant woman. I suspect there's some nepotism going on there, but I can't prove it beyond the fact that the post office employees all seem to be made from the same cloth..


YOU BEEN IN LINE 4 HOURS YOU GO HOME NOW?
 
2014-04-26 11:54:48 AM  
My mail arrives around 2:00 every day in good condition.  I think the USPS has lost maybe 2 packages like in my entire life.  Something like half-a-dozen packages or envelopes have been damaged.  In the 25 years or so I've been an adult.  Yes they are the height of incompetence.

On the rare occasions where I have to go to the post office, either (A) it is not December and there is no line or a short line; (B) it is December and there is a line, sometimes a long line.  Cause Christmas is the USPS' fault.

/just my experience - and the experience of everyone I know, but I guess we are all just lucky
 
2014-04-26 11:59:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If privatizing the mail means better service,


USPS is a private company.
 
2014-04-26 12:01:51 PM  

Frederick: Yeah, citizens should have all of their government services privatized- mail, roads, prisons, oversight, etc.
AND continue to pay our taxes.
Right?


HOW were the roads built before the government got involved?  Oh yeah, men who wanted a road built a road.
HOW was mail delivered before the government got involved?  Oh yeah, men hired somebody to deliver the parcel

Don't be a pussy that needs a government to tell you how to live.  That's a slave mentality
 
2014-04-26 12:07:23 PM  

Alathea: Oh please. I am paid 20.00/hr to support and troubleshoot medical hardware and patient safety software. It took me a year to be effective in this role, a Bachelor of Science + in information systems, and prior experience in server/client and hardware troubleshooting and basic electronics. 40 hours of classroom instruction? *sniff* cry me a river. Im in the wrong business. Maybe I should exercise that 10 point veterans preference and work for the post office. I can't do any worse than the guy we have now. Our mail does get to our residential curbside box until after 530pm most nights.


You're getting ripped off, so postal workers shouldn't be able to make a decent living? You probably would be better off working for the postal service. They even have a pension and are eligible for the TSP. Good medical too.
 
2014-04-26 12:23:52 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: HOW were the roads built before the government got involved?


Really poorly.  Actually, it happened the other way around.  The Roman Empire had great roads - some of them are usable today.  After the Empire fell apart, private roads of varying quality were built by different feudal lords.  Road transport sucked ass and trade suffered.  Every damn lord wanted a toll - trade suffered.  It wasn't until folks like Colbert used the resources of the state to build good roads that places like France had decent internal trade.
 
2014-04-26 12:26:01 PM  
They are overpaid.
 
2014-04-26 12:35:22 PM  
for the most part I've never had a problem with the post office.  I've had my mail on time and for a good price when shipping.   I agree that the union members abuse grievance applications (inside info from some friends) but other than that the service has been excellent for me.

IDK about you guys or where you are going.
 
2014-04-26 12:36:02 PM  

buzzcut73: Alathea: Oh please. I am paid 20.00/hr to support and troubleshoot medical hardware and patient safety software. It took me a year to be effective in this role, a Bachelor of Science + in information systems, and prior experience in server/client and hardware troubleshooting and basic electronics. 40 hours of classroom instruction? *sniff* cry me a river. Im in the wrong business. Maybe I should exercise that 10 point veterans preference and work for the post office. I can't do any worse than the guy we have now. Our mail does get to our residential curbside box until after 530pm most nights.

You're getting ripped off, so postal workers shouldn't be able to make a decent living? You probably would be better off working for the postal service. They even have a pension and are eligible for the TSP. Good medical too.


I think what he's saying is that it's kind of ridiculous to expect very premium pay for a job that in increasingly disappearing, automating, and could be done by an intelligent pigeon
 
2014-04-26 12:50:45 PM  
As a former Staples employee, I can guarantee you your packages will be absolutely drenched in cum.
 
2014-04-26 06:15:10 PM  

Corn_Fed: As a former Staples employee, I can guarantee you your packages will be absolutely drenched in cum.


Yeah... But if you dropped it off at the Post Office it'd probably get lost after it was came on.  Then you'd have a hell of a time finding someone that spoke English to file a complaint with.
 
2014-04-26 06:46:29 PM  

ArkAngel: buzzcut73: Alathea: Oh please. I am paid 20.00/hr to support and troubleshoot medical hardware and patient safety software. It took me a year to be effective in this role, a Bachelor of Science + in information systems, and prior experience in server/client and hardware troubleshooting and basic electronics. 40 hours of classroom instruction? *sniff* cry me a river. Im in the wrong business. Maybe I should exercise that 10 point veterans preference and work for the post office. I can't do any worse than the guy we have now. Our mail does get to our residential curbside box until after 530pm most nights.

You're getting ripped off, so postal workers shouldn't be able to make a decent living? You probably would be better off working for the postal service. They even have a pension and are eligible for the TSP. Good medical too.

I think what he's saying is that it's kind of ridiculous to expect very premium pay for a job that in increasingly disappearing, automating, and could be done by an intelligent pigeon


OTOH, don't take career advice (on pay) from someone with that much education/experience making $40k a year unless they are working non-profit.
 
2014-04-26 06:50:15 PM  

Unobtanium: As it was. I was pretty impressed by USPS. They picked up the package on Saturday, had it delivered across the country on Monday, at a rate cheaper than comparable service from the other two.


USPS often completes FedEx and UPS deliveries the last few miles as well, particularly in more rural areas.
 
2014-04-26 07:09:52 PM  
We get great service here. All the kids in the neighborhood look like the mailman.
 
2014-04-26 07:48:54 PM  
I like the job that im in. Non-call center, casual dress code, good benefits, and centrally located on a main street 15 minutes drive from home. Otherwise, Id ply my trade somewhere else. The point was noted above- I have prior military and civilian experience, and a B.S. yet postal workers make more money per hour than I do, before bonuses and O/T.


Moopy Mac:
ArkAngel: buzzcut73: Alathea: Oh please. I am paid 20.00/hr to support and troubleshoot medical hardware and patient safety software. It took me a year to be effective in this role, a Bachelor of Science + in information systems, and prior experience in server/client and hardware troubleshooting and basic electronics. 40 hours of classroom instruction? *sniff* cry me a river. Im in the wrong business. Maybe I should exercise that 10 point veterans preference and work for the post office. I can't do any worse than the guy we have now. Our mail does get to our residential curbside box until after 530pm most nights.

You're getting ripped off, so postal workers shouldn't be able to make a decent living? You probably would be better off working for the postal service. They even have a pension and are eligible for the TSP. Good medical too.

I think what he's saying is that it's kind of ridiculous to expect very premium pay for a job that in increasingly disappearing, automating, and could be done by an intelligent pigeon

OTOH, don't take career advice (on pay) from someone with that much education/experience making $40k a year unless they are working non-profit.
 
2014-04-26 08:17:49 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Frederick: Yeah, citizens should have all of their government services privatized- mail, roads, prisons, oversight, etc.
AND continue to pay our taxes.
Right?

HOW were the roads built before the government got involved?  Oh yeah, men who wanted a road built a road.
HOW was mail delivered before the government got involved?  Oh yeah, men hired somebody to deliver the parcel

Don't be a pussy that needs a government to tell you how to live.  That's a slave mentality


You missed the point.
Show me a public road not built by government.
By definition mail can only be delivered by the postal system -which is governmental.
IF those things are to be privatized, then taxes should be adjusted accordingly.    <--- Point

/it is possible my snark meter is off
 
2014-04-26 08:28:56 PM  

Frederick: Smeggy Smurf: Frederick: Yeah, citizens should have all of their government services privatized- mail, roads, prisons, oversight, etc.
AND continue to pay our taxes.
Right?

HOW were the roads built before the government got involved?  Oh yeah, men who wanted a road built a road.
HOW was mail delivered before the government got involved?  Oh yeah, men hired somebody to deliver the parcel

Don't be a pussy that needs a government to tell you how to live.  That's a slave mentality

You missed the point.
Show me a public road not built by government.
By definition mail can only be delivered by the postal system -which is governmental.
IF those things are to be privatized, then taxes should be adjusted accordingly.    <--- Point

/it is possible my snark meter is off


You know that most road construction crews are private companies... right?
 
2014-04-26 08:52:33 PM  
C'mon, subby, you meant Circuit City, right?
 
2014-04-26 09:09:19 PM  

Alathea: I like the job that im in. Non-call center, casual dress code, good benefits, and centrally located on a main street 15 minutes drive from home. Otherwise, Id ply my trade somewhere else. The point was noted above- I have prior military and civilian experience, and a B.S. yet postal workers make more money per hour than I do, before bonuses and O/T.


It's a good argument for the benefits of having an effective union.  Instead of complaining that the postal workers have found a way to improve their station in life, why not ask why your industry is farking you over?
 
2014-04-26 09:16:40 PM  
Ive been union before, in a different industry. They did nothing I couldn't do myself, and they, like the postal union, end up costing everyone else money by forcing the market, and in my employment, they were more toxic than the employer.
 
2014-04-26 10:29:50 PM  

Alathea: Ive been union before, in a different industry. They did nothing I couldn't do myself, and they, like the postal union, end up costing everyone else money by forcing the market, and in my employment, they were more toxic than the employer.


I've had a very different experience. I have worked both union and non-union in the same industry. The union job had MUCH better benefits, and higher pay. Dues were essentially insignificant, compared to the excellent benefits. Try even finding ANY private employer who still offers a defined pension plan anymore. Unions continue to be absolutely vital, especially in a time when the rightwingers desperately want to roll back every labor law they can.
 
2014-04-26 11:25:05 PM  
Yeah. I work for one of Staples' main competitors, and I dislike the store intensely, They don't deserve this. We've had USPS services for a long time. We take in packages, can ship parcels and letters, and sell stamps. We aren't 100% full service replacements for a post office, but if you need a package dropped off after 6 PM, we can take it and get it out the next morning.
 
2014-04-27 12:04:09 AM  

saintstryfe: Yeah. I work for one of Staples' main competitors, and I dislike the store intensely, They don't deserve this. We've had USPS services for a long time. We take in packages, can ship parcels and letters, and sell stamps. We aren't 100% full service replacements for a post office, but if you need a package dropped off after 6 PM, we can take it and get it out the next morning.


Butthurt much.  It isn't like the employees are getting a raise and become union like the real USPS, just means more work.  Are you bored at work and can't keep busy enough?  I'm sure your boss can find all sorts of stupid crap to do.

/I buy my stamps at the grocery store.
//at my work when more work comes down, they don't give us more labor hours and people, we just get "it needs to be done."
 
2014-04-27 01:09:28 AM  
Do Fedex and UPS pay their employes as much as USPS does for comparative positions?

/Just asking
 
2014-04-27 07:41:31 AM  

wombatsrus: Do Fedex and UPS pay their employes as much as USPS does for comparative positions?

/Just asking


From what I heard from my bro, who has worked with UPS, no.  Their pay is more comparative with grocery store clerks, unless you are a driver.  And they aren't given full time pay and benefits, unless they put some years in.
 
2014-04-27 08:46:22 AM  

serial_crusher: The union says mail needs to be handled by well-trained professionals who take an oath to handle letters and packages with care


Back when I still got Netflix DVDs by mail, a USPS guy was trying to fit too much stuff into the little PO box at my apartment complex, so he folded it all in half and stuck it in there.

/ On the bright side, it was some really terrible movie like Robocop 3, so maybe he was doing me a favor.


Why would he do that when he could take all your mail out and leave you a note that the box was full? Then he just drops it all in a bag for you to pick up at the post office.
 
2014-04-27 08:48:02 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: My mail arrives around 2:00 every day in good condition.  I think the USPS has lost maybe 2 packages like in my entire life.  Something like half-a-dozen packages or envelopes have been damaged.  In the 25 years or so I've been an adult.  Yes they are the height of incompetence.

On the rare occasions where I have to go to the post office, either (A) it is not December and there is no line or a short line; (B) it is December and there is a line, sometimes a long line.  Cause Christmas is the USPS' fault.

/just my experience - and the experience of everyone I know, but I guess we are all just lucky


This.
 
2014-04-27 08:52:40 AM  

Alathea: I like the job that im in. Non-call center, casual dress code, good benefits, and centrally located on a main street 15 minutes drive from home. Otherwise, Id ply my trade somewhere else. The point was noted above- I have prior military and civilian experience, and a B.S. yet postal workers make more money per hour than I do, before bonuses and O/T.


Moopy Mac: ArkAngel: buzzcut73: Alathea: Oh please. I am paid 20.00/hr to support and troubleshoot medical hardware and patient safety software. It took me a year to be effective in this role, a Bachelor of Science + in information systems, and prior experience in server/client and hardware troubleshooting and basic electronics. 40 hours of classroom instruction? *sniff* cry me a river. Im in the wrong business. Maybe I should exercise that 10 point veterans preference and work for the post office. I can't do any worse than the guy we have now. Our mail does get to our residential curbside box until after 530pm most nights.

You're getting ripped off, so postal workers shouldn't be able to make a decent living? You probably would be better off working for the postal service. They even have a pension and are eligible for the TSP. Good medical too.

I think what he's saying is that it's kind of ridiculous to expect very premium pay for a job that in increasingly disappearing, automating, and could be done by an intelligent pigeon

OTOH, don't take career advice (on pay) from someone with that much education/experience making $40k a year unless they are working non-profit.


"I like my job and wouldn't trade it for theirs, but I am still being a whiny jealous biatch"

I am so sick of this attitude. One would think the military of all things might beat that out of you. You sound like my uncle who earns 200k and inherited seven figures but complains about how great the welfare class has it.

Speaking of welfare and pay, guess which programs kick in when you succeed in getting all the gov workers down to walmart pay?
 
2014-04-27 10:23:59 AM  

Smackledorfer: "I like my job and wouldn't trade it for theirs, but I am still being a whiny jealous biatch"

I am so sick of this attitude.


This attitude is exactly why we can't have nice things.  I have an acquaintance that loves to boast about how hard he to work at two crappy paying jobs and how that makes him a real man. Then in the next breath argue against unions and minimum wage increases.  It really baffles me.
 
2014-04-27 12:18:35 PM  
While I do admire the USPS for delivering letters and packages all over the world promptly and for a modest price, their greatest public service often goes unheralded: providing smug, well-fed first-worlders minor inconveniences to complain about (OMG!! A {gasp} LINE!!!; Wait: you want FIFTY WHOLE CENTS to hand deliver this piece of paper from Las Vegas to east shiatsplat, Ohio!?!?).
 
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