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(Russia Today)   53% of Americans say neither political party represents them. The other 47% are union leaders, lobbyists, CEO's   (rt.com ) divider line
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2014-04-26 07:32:21 AM  
I wish people would vote 3rd party

Vote Green. Vote Communist. Vote Whig. Just stop putting these morans back into the offices.

/GOP is the worst of the worst. God damn they suck.
 
2014-04-26 08:00:57 AM  

cman: I wish people would vote 3rd party

Vote Green. Vote Communist. Vote Whig. Just stop putting these morans back into the offices.

/GOP is the worst of the worst. God damn they suck.


So.. Both sides are bad, so vote Democrat?
 
2014-04-26 08:01:33 AM  
I voted Green in the last Presidential election. My father who is a conservative loves to try to pin all things he hates about Obama on me, so I get to point out I didn't vote for him either.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-26 08:16:30 AM  

cman: I wish people would vote 3rd party

Vote Green. Vote Communist. Vote Whig. Just stop putting these morans back into the offices.


I wonder why no one has ever tried that?  That sounds like it would totally work.
 
2014-04-26 08:22:46 AM  
America only has one party, the pro-business party, which consists of two factions that you normally cannot slip a piece of paper between.  So they have to act insane to differentiate themselves from one another.

I want more parties.  This one is busted.
 
2014-04-26 08:26:35 AM  

vpb: cman: I wish people would vote 3rd party

Vote Green. Vote Communist. Vote Whig. Just stop putting these morans back into the offices.

I wonder why no one has ever tried that?  That sounds like it would totally work.


Fear that the other side will win is what keeps third parties from getting elected
 
2014-04-26 08:30:47 AM  
Russia Today, eh?

Not that I disagree with the general sentiment, but...couldn't we have found a better source?
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-04-26 09:11:42 AM  
All political parties should be outlawed.  We don't need political parties, we need people who are intelligent enough to move our country in a positive direction.  Not people who wear a nice suit of clothes or have the best hair cut or are the perfect weight, people who have proven they can lead others but have never been a CEO of a corporation.

George Washington was against political parties and his wisdom rings true today.

Imagine a congress filled with people who vote based on what is best for the American public instead of a party platform?  Imagine a congress where they are not allowed to receive money from special interest groups or PACs?  Imagine a congress which is comprised of a body which accurately represents the American people and works in their interest every single day?

We need to purge our political systems in this nation, starting with community governments and moving right to the top.  There are too many sociopaths who have infiltrated the positions which are supposed to be protectors of the American public.  Instead they're working for themselves, their political allies and anyone who can write the biggest check.

The average American no longer has a voice in America and things will get progressively worse for the middle class and the poor.   America is no longer a republic as was intended by our founding fathers.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-26 09:48:16 AM  
The parties aren't the problem, it's the money.  Politicians don't work for ordinary people any more, they work for donors.

The only way you can compete is to give money on your own or through a union or some other organization.
 
2014-04-26 09:50:15 AM  
53% of the US are Fark Independents©  eh? Go figure.
 
2014-04-26 10:04:09 AM  

vpb: The parties aren't the problem, it's the money.  Politicians don't work for ordinary people any more, they work for donors.

The only way you can compete is to give money on your own or through a union or some other organization.


This.  The two-party system can work, and has worked (or at least come close to working) in this country's history.  You need two parties that are truly different from each other, yet willing to work together.

The problem is, and would remain even if the two party system were dismantled, the corrosive effect of unrestrained money on the system.
 
2014-04-26 10:15:37 AM  

jake_lex: vpb: The parties aren't the problem, it's the money.  Politicians don't work for ordinary people any more, they work for donors.

The only way you can compete is to give money on your own or through a union or some other organization.

This.  The two-party system can work, and has worked (or at least come close to working) in this country's history.  You need two parties that are truly different from each other, yet willing to work together.

The problem is, and would remain even if the two party system were dismantled, the corrosive effect of unrestrained money on the system.


Soooo, thanks United Citizen and the Supreme Court?
 
2014-04-26 10:23:35 AM  

Lucky LaRue: cman: I wish people would vote 3rd party

Vote Green. Vote Communist. Vote Whig. Just stop putting these morans back into the offices.

/GOP is the worst of the worst. God damn they suck.

So.. Both sides are bad, so vote Democrat?


I know 25 words strung together strains your attention span, but how did you fail to notice the first three sentences of the post you responded to?
 
2014-04-26 10:24:37 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 53% of the US are Fark Independents©  eh? Go figure.


Oh wow, you think just Republicans are partisan hacks? Do you even read these threads?
 
2014-04-26 10:25:30 AM  

cman: vpb: cman: I wish people would vote 3rd party

Vote Green. Vote Communist. Vote Whig. Just stop putting these morans back into the offices.

I wonder why no one has ever tried that?  That sounds like it would totally work.

Fear that the other side will win is what keeps third parties from getting elected


There are also huge barriers to entry. In most places, just to get on the ballot as a third party you have to have way more signatures than if you were one of the two main parties. The laws are made by those in power to keep themselves there.
 
2014-04-26 10:25:50 AM  

raerae1980: jake_lex: vpb: The parties aren't the problem, it's the money.  Politicians don't work for ordinary people any more, they work for donors.

The only way you can compete is to give money on your own or through a union or some other organization.

This.  The two-party system can work, and has worked (or at least come close to working) in this country's history.  You need two parties that are truly different from each other, yet willing to work together.

The problem is, and would remain even if the two party system were dismantled, the corrosive effect of unrestrained money on the system.

Soooo, thanks United Citizen and the Supreme Court?


Other way around. "Citizens United"
 
2014-04-26 10:27:36 AM  

machoprogrammer: Dancin_In_Anson: 53% of the US are Fark Independents©  eh? Go figure.

Oh wow, you think just Republicans are partisan hacks? Do you even read these threads?


Yeah. You should go after noted lib apologist DIA.

It's also kind of cute how Fark Independents don't know what the term Fark Independent means.
 
2014-04-26 10:31:34 AM  

Epic Fap Session: machoprogrammer: Dancin_In_Anson: 53% of the US are Fark Independents©  eh? Go figure.

Oh wow, you think just Republicans are partisan hacks? Do you even read these threads?

Yeah. You should go after noted lib apologist DIA.

It's also kind of cute how Fark Independents don't know what the term Fark Independent means.


I always thought Fark Independent meant "Republican pretending to not be Republican". If I was wrong, my bad
 
2014-04-26 10:38:15 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: raerae1980: jake_lex: vpb: The parties aren't the problem, it's the money.  Politicians don't work for ordinary people any more, they work for donors.

The only way you can compete is to give money on your own or through a union or some other organization.

This.  The two-party system can work, and has worked (or at least come close to working) in this country's history.  You need two parties that are truly different from each other, yet willing to work together.

The problem is, and would remain even if the two party system were dismantled, the corrosive effect of unrestrained money on the system.

Soooo, thanks United Citizen and the Supreme Court?

Other way around. "Citizens United"


I know but thanks. Not enough coffee or too much bud, could go either way :)
 
2014-04-26 10:39:21 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: America only has one party, the pro-business party, which consists of two factions that you normally cannot slip a piece of paper between.  So they have to act insane to differentiate themselves from one another.

I want more parties.  This one is busted.


Really? You're claiming that the democrats are just the same as republicans? I don't remember a democrats smirking at dead Americans. I dont remember democrats openly hating gay people. I don't remember democrats saying rape is okay and that rape babies are a gift from God.
 
2014-04-26 10:39:24 AM  
Wait, I was under the impression that 47% of the country were moochers dependent on the Federal Government.  Ohhh, now I get it.
 
2014-04-26 10:40:27 AM  
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2014-04-26 10:42:11 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 53% of the US are Fark Independents©  eh? Go figure.


I think you miss the point of the Fark Independent.

An independent is someone who is really truly not aligned with any party.

A Fark Independent is someone who hates the democrats and never misses a chance to spew hate about them, loves the republicans and never misses a chance to carry water for them, and swears up one side and down the other they have no party loyalty in any direction.
 
2014-04-26 10:43:39 AM  

machoprogrammer: Epic Fap Session: machoprogrammer: Dancin_In_Anson: 53% of the US are Fark Independents©  eh? Go figure.

Oh wow, you think just Republicans are partisan hacks? Do you even read these threads?

Yeah. You should go after noted lib apologist DIA.

It's also kind of cute how Fark Independents don't know what the term Fark Independent means.

I always thought Fark Independent meant "Republican pretending to not be Republican". If I was wrong, my bad


You're right, but DIA is one of the more well known conservative apologists around here. He's just terrible at humor.

Anyway, it's a little early and silly to be sniping about this. Sounds like a very very trivial misunderstanding.
 
2014-04-26 10:46:04 AM  
I would like a true liberal party, or at least for the Democrats to lean back towards the left (though I can u derstand the appeal for them to move towards the center to scoop up all of the people the GOP is abandoning in their suicide-run off the cliff to the right).

The Green Party, other than their unreasonable fear of nuclear power, has a very appealing platform.  Unfortunately voting for them is throwing your vote away unless tens of millions of other people can be convinced to do the same.  At this point keeping the Republicans out of power is just as important as trying to put who I'd really like into power.
 
2014-04-26 10:49:52 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh yeah, I'm totally being controlled right now, what with that having health insurance and not having to declare bankruptcy.


Well, you being the young whippersnapper that you are, your participation is crucial to the scheme. The young and healthy are the ones keeping the bills paid for the old and sick. And you have no say in the matter.

Epic Fap Session: It's also kind of cute how Fark Independents don't know what the term Fark Independent means.


I know exactly what it means and that's the joke. Do I need to explain it further for you?
 
2014-04-26 10:50:19 AM  

jake_lex: The two-party system can work, and has worked (or at least come close to working) in this country's history.  You need two parties that are truly different from each other, yet willing to work together.


When? A: When only white landowning men could vote, the country was on a campaign of genocide against indigenous people, and over 10% of the population was legally property? Or B: during the "Robber Baron" era? Or C: during the time when unions won concessions by threatening massive strikes, acting outside the Party/democracy system entirely? Or D: during the past 40 years? During which one of those times did the two-party system "work"?  Or even the political system as advertised, in general?
 
2014-04-26 10:57:52 AM  
This has been known for decades. It's also interesting to note that these numbers also line up neatly to the number of people who don't vote, even in the Presidential election cycle....

But no one wants to study why.

Because the system works just the way it's supposed to, just the way it is.
 
2014-04-26 11:00:15 AM  
Not one person in this thread apparently actually understands the problem.

Hint: other countries manage to have third parties with reliable representation
 
2014-04-26 11:00:20 AM  

NFA: All political parties should be outlawed.  We don't need political parties, we need people who are intelligent enough to move our country in a positive direction.  Not people who wear a nice suit of clothes or have the best hair cut or are the perfect weight, people who have proven they can lead others but have never been a CEO of a corporation.

George Washington was against political parties and his wisdom rings true today.

Imagine a congress filled with people who vote based on what is best for the American public instead of a party platform?  Imagine a congress where they are not allowed to receive money from special interest groups or PACs?  Imagine a congress which is comprised of a body which accurately represents the American people and works in their interest every single day?

We need to purge our political systems in this nation, starting with community governments and moving right to the top.  There are too many sociopaths who have infiltrated the positions which are supposed to be protectors of the American public.  Instead they're working for themselves, their political allies and anyone who can write the biggest check.

The average American no longer has a voice in America and things will get progressively worse for the middle class and the poor.   America is no longer a republic as was intended by our founding fathers.


Saying that George Washington opposed political parties is not quite true. He talked smack about the parties when it was politically useful to do so, but at the end of the day he could be counted upon to promote the straight Federalist agenda. His position was that both sides are bad, so vote Federalist.
 
2014-04-26 11:04:22 AM  
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" - Mayer Amschel Rothschild*

The politicians and the political parties are a symptom of the disease, not the cause. Eliminate the current political parties, and new ones will sprout up to take their places, and they will be firmly controlled by the big money interests. Vote out one corporate lackey politician, and 3 more will be there to take his/her place. As long as Wall Street and others with wealth are able to spend unlimited amounts of money legally bribing the government, nothing will ever change. You'll need a constitutional amendment to ever change that, and that's never going to happen. We live in an Oligarchy (or very near), and your voice and your vote are meaningless. You might as well get used to it, because it's not going to change. Welcome to the new aristocracy, serfs. You had best learn your place, or we'll label you as a domestic terrorist and/or enemy combatant and send in our highly-militarized police forces to smack you down with their newly-acquired military surplus hardware.

*There is some disagreement as to the veracity of this quote being attributed to Rothschild, but it matters little. It still rings true.
 
2014-04-26 11:05:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: America only has one party, the pro-business party, which consists of two factions that you normally cannot slip a piece of paper between.  So they have to act insane to differentiate themselves from one another.

I want more parties.  This one is busted.


BSABSVR
 
2014-04-26 11:09:25 AM  

Epic Fap Session: Sounds like a very very trivial misunderstanding.


You do know we're in the politics tab, right? No such thing as a very very trivial misunderstanding here.
 
2014-04-26 11:10:00 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, you being the young whippersnapper that you are, your participation is crucial to the scheme. The young and healthy are the ones keeping the bills paid for the old and sick. And you have no say in the matter.


I voted for him, of course I had a say in the matter. And explain how that is different from how health insurance worked PRIOR TO Obamacare?
 
2014-04-26 11:11:48 AM  

NFA: All political parties should be outlawed.  We don't need political parties, we need people who are intelligent enough to move our country in a positive direction.  Not people who wear a nice suit of clothes or have the best hair cut or are the perfect weight, people who have proven they can lead others but have never been a CEO of a corporation.

George Washington was against political parties and his wisdom rings true today.

Imagine a congress filled with people who vote based on what is best for the American public instead of a party platform?  Imagine a congress where they are not allowed to receive money from special interest groups or PACs?  Imagine a congress which is comprised of a body which accurately represents the American people and works in their interest every single day?

We need to purge our political systems in this nation, starting with community governments and moving right to the top.  There are too many sociopaths who have infiltrated the positions which are supposed to be protectors of the American public.  Instead they're working for themselves, their political allies and anyone who can write the biggest check.

The average American no longer has a voice in America and things will get progressively worse for the middle class and the poor.   America is no longer a republic as was intended by our founding fathers.


I sympathize, but making the parties illegal only drives their actions out of view. It doesn't stop them. What the US desperately needs is campaign finance reform, specifically public financing. You guys went entirely bonehead on that issue. Your current setup virtually guarantees oligarchy.
 
2014-04-26 11:11:56 AM  

ikanreed: Not one person in this thread apparently actually understands the problem.

Hint: other countries manage to have third parties with reliable representation


A lot of those places have parliamentary systems with proportional representation.  I think that would be great for the US, but we'd need to essentially rewrite the Constitution to get it.
 
2014-04-26 11:13:57 AM  

MooseUpNorth: Epic Fap Session: Sounds like a very very trivial misunderstanding.

You do know we're in the politics tab, right? No such thing as a very very trivial misunderstanding here.


There is too, you stupidhead troll!
 
2014-04-26 11:14:53 AM  
IMHO at least 15-20% of Americans are doing quite well and would seem to be quite well represented. So if my math is correct 53% are right, and  27-32% are deluded, sycophants, or idiots.
 
2014-04-26 11:15:14 AM  

Epic Fap Session: Lucky LaRue: cman: I wish people would vote 3rd party

Vote Green. Vote Communist. Vote Whig. Just stop putting these morans back into the offices.

/GOP is the worst of the worst. God damn they suck.

So.. Both sides are bad, so vote Democrat?

I know 25 words strung together strains your attention span, but how did you fail to notice the first three sentences of the post you responded to?


Well, to be fair, most of that list is a lot further down than #3.
 
2014-04-26 11:18:30 AM  

Mike_1962: NFA: All political parties should be outlawed.  We don't need political parties, we need people who are intelligent enough to move our country in a positive direction.  Not people who wear a nice suit of clothes or have the best hair cut or are the perfect weight, people who have proven they can lead others but have never been a CEO of a corporation.

George Washington was against political parties and his wisdom rings true today.

Imagine a congress filled with people who vote based on what is best for the American public instead of a party platform?  Imagine a congress where they are not allowed to receive money from special interest groups or PACs?  Imagine a congress which is comprised of a body which accurately represents the American people and works in their interest every single day?

We need to purge our political systems in this nation, starting with community governments and moving right to the top.  There are too many sociopaths who have infiltrated the positions which are supposed to be protectors of the American public.  Instead they're working for themselves, their political allies and anyone who can write the biggest check.

The average American no longer has a voice in America and things will get progressively worse for the middle class and the poor.   America is no longer a republic as was intended by our founding fathers.

I sympathize, but making the parties illegal only drives their actions out of view. It doesn't stop them. What the US desperately needs is campaign finance reform, specifically public financing. You guys went entirely bonehead on that issue. Your current setup virtually guarantees oligarchy.


Keep in mind, though, that Citizens United and other terrible SCOTUS decisions on this issue wouldn't have turned out the way they did if American's hadn't bone-headedly decided to elect a Republican for president.  Twice.  All the campaign finance reform in the world isn't going to do us any good if the majority of the electorate doesn't have two brain cells to rub together.
 
2014-04-26 11:20:58 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: And explain how that is different from how health insurance worked PRIOR TO Obamacare?


You weren't forced  to buy it.
 
2014-04-26 11:21:32 AM  
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2014-04-26 11:24:28 AM  
So Rmoney was right... You really can't change the minds of 47% of the population.
 
2014-04-26 11:25:35 AM  
Political parties aren't the problem.  The uneducated politically ignorant and apathetic masses are the problem.
 
2014-04-26 11:25:45 AM  
Both sides are bad so vote for the crazy guy that stands on the street corner in only their undergarments while jamming out listening to a classic Walkman.
 
2014-04-26 11:26:39 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cameroncrazy1984: And explain how that is different from how health insurance worked PRIOR TO Obamacare?

You weren't forced  to buy it.


You're not forced to buy it now. Sure you will pay more in taxes, but there's nothing in the law that actually forces you to purchase insurance.
 
2014-04-26 11:28:30 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cameroncrazy1984: And explain how that is different from how health insurance worked PRIOR TO Obamacare?

You weren't forced  to buy it.


Yeah, you should have been happy just paying for the uninsurable to go to the ER through taxes and padded medical bills, but now you're forced to do something.
 
2014-04-26 11:30:10 AM  

cman: Fear that the other side will win is what keeps third parties from getting elected


That and their candidates are often loonies.
 
2014-04-26 11:30:27 AM  

The Name: Mike_1962: NFA: All political parties should be outlawed.  We don't need political parties, we need people who are intelligent enough to move our country in a positive direction.  Not people who wear a nice suit of clothes or have the best hair cut or are the perfect weight, people who have proven they can lead others but have never been a CEO of a corporation.

George Washington was against political parties and his wisdom rings true today.

Imagine a congress filled with people who vote based on what is best for the American public instead of a party platform?  Imagine a congress where they are not allowed to receive money from special interest groups or PACs?  Imagine a congress which is comprised of a body which accurately represents the American people and works in their interest every single day?

We need to purge our political systems in this nation, starting with community governments and moving right to the top.  There are too many sociopaths who have infiltrated the positions which are supposed to be protectors of the American public.  Instead they're working for themselves, their political allies and anyone who can write the biggest check.

The average American no longer has a voice in America and things will get progressively worse for the middle class and the poor.   America is no longer a republic as was intended by our founding fathers.

I sympathize, but making the parties illegal only drives their actions out of view. It doesn't stop them. What the US desperately needs is campaign finance reform, specifically public financing. You guys went entirely bonehead on that issue. Your current setup virtually guarantees oligarchy.

Keep in mind, though, that Citizens United and other terrible SCOTUS decisions on this issue wouldn't have turned out the way they did if American's hadn't bone-headedly decided to elect a Republican for president.  Twice.  All the campaign finance reform in the world isn't going to do us any good if the majority of the electorate doesn't have two brain cells to rub together.


Well, that's not actually true, at least in the longer view. If you could mitigate the corrosive influence of corporate donations, you'll remove a lot of resistance to policies like public funding for education, healthcare and social services. If corporations were not constantly hammering away at the folks who really don't stop to think about these things you just might see a difference in voting patterns. If the corporations no longer find it legal to buy politicians they won't spend even more on influencing Joe Public. There would be little point.
 
2014-04-26 11:33:39 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: The young and healthy are the ones keeping the bills paid for the old and sick.


Can't we just push the old and sick unto ice flows like back in the good old days?
 
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