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2014-04-25 09:46:57 PM

AcademGreen: VivianVivisect: are those k-cup thing economical?

If you buy the packaged cups, then they are expensive compared to a pot brewed at home.  After an investment around $100, it's about $0.65 per cup.  You can get that number down to around $0.50 per cup if you buy in bulk.  You can also chose the "My K-Cup", which is a refillable pod you put your own coffee in.

For me, it works out just fine.  I don't drink much coffee, and I hate dealing with grounds.  The prepackaged ones are fine for me.  I rarely use the "My K-Cup".  This said, I do love me my energy drinks... so most of my fix doesn't come from the machine.  For someone like my parents who drink a couple pots of coffee on the weekend or my grandparents who seem to keep a pot brewing at all times, it's going to be horribly expensive unless they use the refillable pod and buy their own coffee.

The only word of caution is that there are reports that Keurig is going to start putting the coffee-pod equivalent of DRM on future brewer models to force manufacturers to pay a licensing fee.  So, that's pretty evil.


Yup, I've never had a problem with the "burnt" taste either as some are claiming. However I've had lousy luck with the My K Cup because it doesn't filter very well. I drink a cup in the morning and that's it.
 
2014-04-25 09:47:19 PM

VivianVivisect: rebelyell2006: VivianVivisect: rebelyell2006: VivianVivisect: sotua: I get free coffee at work.

It's so good I buy beans from the Starbucks across the street and brew my own with a 500ml French press.

/Sumatra, Guatemala and Verona ftw
//and fark Starbucks for not bringing regular Komodo Dragon anymore

French presses are like $10? Right?

$8 at Tuesday Morning, 32-oz glass beaker type. Compared to my $25 eight-year-old Mr. Coffee machine which holds more but has a coffee-infused burner and probably some mold somewhere.

You have a Tuesday morning toooo? I thought it was a mom and pop store. Cool

No, it's a national chain. Like a Big Lots but slightly higher respectability.

TIL big lots isn't respectable.

It used to be called a pic N save.


The ones in Northwest Georgia certainly are on par with dollar stores, but with slightly better quality.
 
2014-04-25 09:47:21 PM
Somehow I'm thinking that the $4 per month I spend on caffeine tablets is still a better deal.
 
2014-04-25 09:49:07 PM
www.vancouverobserver.com

sugar hipster thread!
 
2014-04-25 09:51:07 PM

SpdrJay: Somehow I'm thinking that the $4 per month I spend on caffeine tablets is still a better deal.


I tried those once as a freshman.  Granted, I wasn't supposed to take them with coffee... but never again.

I was wired to the point of thinking quickly about nothing and being so physically tired I couldn't move.
 
2014-04-25 09:51:46 PM
I'm curious what controls they have to keep people from sharing their account passwords, just like Netflix.  Right now it just seems like there's a 30-minute waiting period between purchases.
 
2014-04-25 09:51:51 PM

evilmousse: sugar hipster thread!


And that's how you die.

Cancer sugar.
 
2014-04-25 09:52:51 PM

SpdrJay: Somehow I'm thinking that the $4 per month I spend on caffeine tablets is still a better deal.


I did that when I was a junior in college. When I found out that midol had caffeine in it.
 
2014-04-25 09:57:10 PM

Fart_Machine: AcademGreen: VivianVivisect: are those k-cup thing economical?

If you buy the packaged cups, then they are expensive compared to a pot brewed at home.  After an investment around $100, it's about $0.65 per cup.  You can get that number down to around $0.50 per cup if you buy in bulk.  You can also chose the "My K-Cup", which is a refillable pod you put your own coffee in.

For me, it works out just fine.  I don't drink much coffee, and I hate dealing with grounds.  The prepackaged ones are fine for me.  I rarely use the "My K-Cup".  This said, I do love me my energy drinks... so most of my fix doesn't come from the machine.  For someone like my parents who drink a couple pots of coffee on the weekend or my grandparents who seem to keep a pot brewing at all times, it's going to be horribly expensive unless they use the refillable pod and buy their own coffee.

The only word of caution is that there are reports that Keurig is going to start putting the coffee-pod equivalent of DRM on future brewer models to force manufacturers to pay a licensing fee.  So, that's pretty evil.

Yup, I've never had a problem with the "burnt" taste either as some are claiming. However I've had lousy luck with the My K Cup because it doesn't filter very well. I drink a cup in the morning and that's it.


I hate the burnt taste. I wish I didn't.
 
2014-04-25 09:58:10 PM
The customer gets a discount, and the store still profits. If someone buying the $45 plan drinks 2 cups a day over a 30 day month, that's 75¢ per cup. The cost to the restaurant per cup is just a fraction of that. Then you add in the possibility of the customer ordering food at the regular price. Add to that the brand loyalty it necessarily creates (at least for the month), and that's a pretty smart promotion.
 
2014-04-25 10:02:17 PM

VivianVivisect: My friend says I need a special bean to brew in a French press? Is she a liar liar pants on fire?


You don't need special beans, but you do need a special grind. It's coarser that espresso or filter coffee.

Of course, you can still use espresso grind, but it clogs the mesh and enough silt passes through that you get a couple of mm of coffee mud in the bottomxof your cup. I prefer to get it ground for French press, but it isn't like you can't use it with the finer grind. It will just have the side effects described above.
 
2014-04-25 10:04:29 PM
My BFAM in New Hampshire has one of these:
ecx.images-amazon.com
I can't seem to find one in a store south of the Mason-Dixon.

It uses real coffee grounds, as opposed to oversize half & half containers full of concentrated coffee sludge.

Have no credit card, can't shop online.
 
2014-04-25 10:06:17 PM

SpdrJay: Somehow I'm thinking that the $4 per month I spend on caffeine tablets is still a better deal.


THAT. I'm a big fan of the vaguely coffee flavored sugar-laden fantasy variety of coffee (as dubbed earlier in the thread), and you miss a ton of calories by just switching to the pill. Well, the other pill.
 
2014-04-25 10:07:50 PM

VivianVivisect: SpdrJay: Somehow I'm thinking that the $4 per month I spend on caffeine tablets is still a better deal.

I did that when I was a junior in college. When I found out that midol had caffeine in it.


Yeah, but Midol gives guys a penis period.
 
2014-04-25 10:16:05 PM

rebelyell2006: Why add sugar? I throw some Folgers and hot water in a French Press, and it works well and is very economical. Doesn't taste like burnt ass and no calories. Putting it in a carafe and keeping a full pot perpetually heated will break down the coffee and make it taste terrible.


Black coffee drinker myself (if I go to a coffee place I get iced Americano if I want it cold) and I'm happy with a $20 cone filter no-computer-involved bare bones one switch drip coffee machine.

I run the 12 cups through it, but the moment it's done brewing, I turn it off and move the pot elsewhere to cool. Once not crazy hot, I put it in the fridge, works good enough for me for iced coffee anyway, but I'm not too particular.   But if I forget to remove it from the heat, yeah, burnt and gross.

I can't imagine how fat I'd be by now if either drank Mt. Dew or liked sugar in my coffee...

/caffeine habit? Yes
 
2014-04-25 10:22:12 PM

VivianVivisect: Have you tried those espresso machines?

These machines are quite an investment.


An aeropress is like $25 on amazon.

Also, you don't need a special bean for a french press, but you'll need a coarser grind than what you buy at the supermarket.
 
2014-04-25 10:31:11 PM

Fart_Machine: AcademGreen: VivianVivisect: are those k-cup thing economical?

If you buy the packaged cups, then they are expensive compared to a pot brewed at home.  After an investment around $100, it's about $0.65 per cup.  You can get that number down to around $0.50 per cup if you buy in bulk.  You can also chose the "My K-Cup", which is a refillable pod you put your own coffee in.

For me, it works out just fine.  I don't drink much coffee, and I hate dealing with grounds.  The prepackaged ones are fine for me.  I rarely use the "My K-Cup".  This said, I do love me my energy drinks... so most of my fix doesn't come from the machine.  For someone like my parents who drink a couple pots of coffee on the weekend or my grandparents who seem to keep a pot brewing at all times, it's going to be horribly expensive unless they use the refillable pod and buy their own coffee.

The only word of caution is that there are reports that Keurig is going to start putting the coffee-pod equivalent of DRM on future brewer models to force manufacturers to pay a licensing fee.  So, that's pretty evil.

Yup, I've never had a problem with the "burnt" taste either as some are claiming. However I've had lousy luck with the My K Cup because it doesn't filter very well. I drink a cup in the morning and that's it.


Get the Ekobrew.

http://www.amazon.com/Ekobrew-Refillable-Keurig-Brewers-1-Count/dp/B 00 51SU0OW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1398479444&sr=8-2&keywords=ekobrew
 
2014-04-25 10:34:50 PM

itazurakko: rebelyell2006: Why add sugar? I throw some Folgers and hot water in a French Press, and it works well and is very economical. Doesn't taste like burnt ass and no calories. Putting it in a carafe and keeping a full pot perpetually heated will break down the coffee and make it taste terrible.

Black coffee drinker myself (if I go to a coffee place I get iced Americano if I want it cold) and I'm happy with a $20 cone filter no-computer-involved bare bones one switch drip coffee machine.

I run the 12 cups through it, but the moment it's done brewing, I turn it off and move the pot elsewhere to cool. Once not crazy hot, I put it in the fridge, works good enough for me for iced coffee anyway, but I'm not too particular.   But if I forget to remove it from the heat, yeah, burnt and gross.

I can't imagine how fat I'd be by now if either drank Mt. Dew or liked sugar in my coffee...

/caffeine habit? Yes


You're in good company.
 
2014-04-25 10:46:40 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: VivianVivisect: Have you tried those espresso machines?

These machines are quite an investment.

An aeropress is like $25 on amazon.

Also, you don't need a special bean for a french press, but you'll need a coarser grind than what you buy at the supermarket.


25$ is doable.
 
2014-04-25 10:53:37 PM

Shazam999: Get the Ekobrew.


Will look into that.  Thanks!

itazurakko: Black coffee drinker myself (if I go to a coffee place I get iced Americano if I want it cold) and I'm happy with a $20 cone filter no-computer-involved bare bones one switch drip coffee machine.


Used to work graveyard as a night auditor for a hotel while in college and we'd go through at least one pot a night.  After doing that for a few years my stomach can't take that much coffee but a single-cup in the morning does the trick.
 
2014-04-25 10:59:15 PM
Buy one of these:

www.victrolacoffee.com

Buy your coffee from here

Profit. :)

/I also have an AeroPress
//Do pour-over WAY more often
//Frak Starbucks, and I live in WA :\
 
2014-04-25 11:01:21 PM
What did people call new companies prior to 7 years ago when "start-up" was coined?
 
2014-04-25 11:02:01 PM
My local hipster coffee place has a few different ways to brew regular coffee. They've got the chemex, French press, pour-over, a regular drip machine, and this weird contraption that looks like a meth lab. I thought the chemex was best, so I own one now.
If I'm getting coffee from a shop, I get espresso. At home, black on weekends, and with kerrygold butter and liquid coconut oil on weekdays. Drink a big cup of that and you're good until 2pm.
 
2014-04-25 11:12:31 PM

El Dudereno: and this weird contraption that looks like a meth lab


Vacuum coffee maker. I always think of a bong, myself.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-25 11:16:43 PM
This would not be a good deal for me, as I drink americanos which would require the higher fee, despite. Ring only slightly more expensive than coffee/tea purchased individually. Add to that the likelihood you'd likely find yoursfelf in scenarios where you need coffee and none of the participating retailers are around and the GroupOn effect (businesses treating coupon/discount users like second class customers) and I suspect this is not a god value. However, I might be willing to give it a shot if they offered it where I live.
 
2014-04-25 11:16:55 PM
Oh, and just because:

Good Starbuck:
cdn.buzznet.com


Bad Starbuck:

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-04-25 11:21:19 PM

kalvyn: El Dudereno: and this weird contraption that looks like a meth lab

Vacuum coffee maker. I always think of a bong, myself.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x627]


breaking bad is not real, sorry to ruin your chemistry fantasy
 
2014-04-25 11:29:19 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: VivianVivisect: I'm considering changing my rockstar habit back to k-cups or coffee, are those k-cup thing economical?

They're expensive and brew crappy coffee. Buy an aeropress and get 12 oz bags from a coffeeshop with decent beans. Ask them to grind a little bit finer than for a drip filter.


All of that except  - grind it yourself.
 
2014-04-25 11:40:37 PM

VivianVivisect: AcademGreen: VivianVivisect: sotua: I get free coffee at work.

It's so good I buy beans from the Starbucks across the street and brew my own with a 500ml French press.

/Sumatra, Guatemala and Verona ftw
//and fark Starbucks for not bringing regular Komodo Dragon anymore

French presses are like $10? Right?

If you use a french press, you could also try brewing cold coffee in the fridge over night.  Just fill it in cold water and let it sit with the grounds.  I find it makes the coffee less bitter, if you don't like black coffee.  Still, it'll be black coffee without the bite.

Oooooo danggggggg that sounds soooo good


As someone who has been cold brewing for about a week now, I can tell you that it is wonderful. You don't even need a french press, though it does make it easy.
 
2014-04-25 11:44:29 PM

bigsteve3OOO: [www.shopmzb.com image 209x250]
best coffee for the money bar none. ~$8.00 a can.  way less than $45.00 a month.


This might be cheaper...
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-25 11:46:04 PM

Nordschleife: VivianVivisect: I'm considering changing my rockstar habit back to k-cups or coffee, are those k-cup thing economical?

What kinda coffee will they serve?
Who will write their software?

It better be good is all. God damn

I used to drink a lot of Rockstar (the Rehab line, non-carbonated) and have since moved on to these:

[www.drinkwhat.com image 600x402]

About half the ingredients list (they can use less preservative due to the lower fluid amount and the sealing top similar to a squeezy ketchup bottle), and you can control the amount of caffeine per your current state.  At 4 bucks a pop they far outpace Rockstar for value per ounce IMO.


I had to stop with the energy drinks and abusive caffeine I was taking. At the time I was drinking 2-8 per day of NOS. Dumb, I know, I was in college. I landed myself in the hospital thinking I was having a heart attack and a specialized heart doctor another time. It sucked. Lesson is, eat well and that's all you should do.

Since then I have dropped it down to 4 cans a week. Getting to 0 soon and I cannot wait.
 
2014-04-25 11:51:03 PM
Thats still like $12 per cup.

//at least for me.
 
2014-04-26 12:06:48 AM
If you're not grinding the beans yourself and using a french press then you're just wasting your time.  You might as well take caffeine pills
 
2014-04-26 12:08:11 AM
I drink tea and thumb my nose at you coffee hipster snob types.
 
2014-04-26 12:14:34 AM

Shirley Ujest: I drink tea and thumb my nose at you coffee hipster snob types.


Do you use a french press with loose leaf tea?  If not you're doing it wrong and I can sell you one for $100 so you can stop being a bad person
 
2014-04-26 12:37:43 AM

VivianVivisect: My friend says I need a special bean to brew in a French press? Is she a liar liar pants on fire?


As earlier, no, the important part is the grind. However, for French Press, don't get the super dark extra roasts. No French roasts, no espresso roasts. Too bitter for French Press. Stick to the lighter stuff. Only espresso can handle the really dark, burnt roasts.
 
2014-04-26 12:38:25 AM
Or I make my own (not Folgers, nor crap) for about $15 a month.
 
2014-04-26 12:44:28 AM
i was given a starbucks gift card...
so i stopped in, everything was so expensive, i didn't buy anything, even tho it was free.

for my 85 cents i get;
18 oz strong sumatra fresh ground
40 grams chocolate protein powder
25 grams swiss miss
20 grams cherry jello powder.

That can allow skipping breakfast & some times lunch too
I suppose i could put starbucks into meltdown if i offered that for 2.50
 
2014-04-26 12:46:09 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-26 12:47:17 AM
$45/mo might work for me, but only if Peet's is involved and I can get 16oz cups.
 
2014-04-26 12:59:47 AM

pippi longstocking: Or I make my own (not Folgers, nor crap) for about $15 a month.


Even Folgers tastes good in a french press.  Just image what good coffee is like.  It's better than free whiskey and a blowjob by Anne Hathaway
 
2014-04-26 01:08:14 AM

VivianVivisect: AcademGreen: VivianVivisect: are those k-cup thing economical?

If you buy the packaged cups, then they are expensive compared to a pot brewed at home.  After an investment around $100, it's about $0.65 per cup.  You can get that number down to around $0.50 per cup if you buy in bulk.  You can also chose the "My K-Cup", which is a refillable pod you put your own coffee in.

For me, it works out just fine.  I don't drink much coffee, and I hate dealing with grounds.  The prepackaged ones are fine for me.  I rarely use the "My K-Cup".  This said, I do love me my energy drinks... so most of my fix doesn't come from the machine.  For someone like my parents who drink a couple pots of coffee on the weekend or my grandparents who seem to keep a pot brewing at all times, it's going to be horribly expensive unless they use the refillable pod and buy their own coffee.

The only word of caution is that there are reports that Keurig is going to start putting the coffee-pod equivalent of DRM on future brewer models to force manufacturers to pay a licensing fee.  So, that's pretty evil.

It's hard for me to commit $100 to something I don't think I'll use that much considering I'm a coffee slut-- I'm very pernicious when it comes to my coffee.


the k cups are really bad for the environment. People are using billions of those throw away k cups and they cant be recycled.
 
2014-04-26 01:16:55 AM
img.fark.net

A buck a pack. Yes, it tastes like blacktop, isn't from Colombia at all (my ex pointed that out years ago that you most likely aren't getting real Colombian coffee anywhere here in America), but gets the job done. A little creamer and BOOM! Good too, because when I wanna get my breakfast of coffee and a cig, I don't often feel like waiting 10 minutes to brew a cup or go grab a cup from the gas station (where I feel the best coffee always is).

upload.wikimedia.org

*guides Ziltoid to the nearest Starbucks so he can aim his Planet Smasher ray at it*
 
2014-04-26 01:23:45 AM
I've owned Mr Coffee machines, French Presses, fancy consumer 'latte' machines, percolators and now I use a Kcup.

Why?

Easy to use, takes under a minute to be ready to brew from off
Easy to clean
Easy to make (Put in cup press button)
Selection of coffees

As for burnt taste, there are a lot of varieties of coffee.  Try the lighter roasts - like breakfast blends.  Personally, I like the medium roast Gevalia, it's reasonably priced (on sale it's ~$0.40 cents a cup.

It's not for everyone, but if you want one cup a day, it fits me.
 
2014-04-26 01:43:58 AM

bdub77: VivianVivisect: My friend says I need a special bean to brew in a French press? Is she a liar liar pants on fire?

Completely.


I used to own a Kitchenaid coffee grinder that had a specific, "French Press" setting....so yeah, she's lying.

/ love to brew my coffee using one, but I'm too lazy to clean it
// my double-cup Black & Decker coffeemaker is used far more often, very well designed & easy to clean...
 
2014-04-26 01:57:52 AM
From October to January I had a temp job at Bunn, the coffeemaker company.

Every type of coffeemaker you can imagine, they had it.  Espresso, cappuccino, latte, I could get it free all day.

It was the best job ever.  And I got paid to talk about coffee all day.
 
2014-04-26 02:23:53 AM
Nordschleife:

I used to drink a lot of Rockstar (the Rehab line, non-carbonated) and have since moved on to these:

[www.drinkwhat.com image 600x402]

About half the ingredients list (they can use less preservative due to the lower fluid amount and the sealing top similar to a squeezy ketchup bottle), and you can control the amount of caffeine per your current state.


You know, you CAN just put down the coffee mug, and not finish the entire cup?  You don't need to buy a fancy caffeine-ketchup dispensing squeezy.
 
2014-04-26 02:43:57 AM

ZMugg: My BFAM in New Hampshire has one of these:
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 346x450]
I can't seem to find one in a store south of the Mason-Dixon.

It uses real coffee grounds, as opposed to oversize half & half containers full of concentrated coffee sludge.

Have no credit card, can't shop online.


You're not missing anything, really... Senseo produces pretty awful coffee.
 
2014-04-26 03:26:16 AM

bigsteve3OOO: best coffee for the money bar none. ~$8.00 a can.  way less than $45.00 a month.


I'll bet it ranks right up there with folgers and maxwell house. Well done.
 
2014-04-26 03:44:35 AM
Freshly roasted and ground beans brewed in one of these at home. http://www.bialetti.com/coffee/stovetop/moka-express-c-1_7_22.html

About $20 a month.
 
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