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(Al Jazeera)   North Dakota, come for the rolling hills, national parks and open space, stay for radioactive oil waste from all the drilling   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 63
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-25 02:43:37 PM
This waste, which has relatively low levels of radiation, is essentially unregulated by the federal government.

At some point it does become a federally regulated problem under CERCLA ("superfund") and the Clean Water Act. The feds will target the victims of waste dumping because that's easier.
 
2014-04-25 03:02:34 PM

ZAZ: The feds will target the victims of waste dumping because that's easier

not going to annoy the energy companies as much.

/so much for mixing drilling and drinking water
 
2014-04-25 03:22:29 PM
Sigh...

You know, fark this shiat. Tear the place up, kill the streams, poison the wells.

Last one turns the lights off when you're done.
 
2014-04-25 04:52:18 PM
Just buy everyone a pizza, and we'll call it even.
 
2014-04-25 04:54:03 PM
Gee, another anti-fracking article from AlJazeera. No agenda there.

//pollution is bad, mmkay.
 
2014-04-25 04:54:39 PM
Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....
 
2014-04-25 04:54:45 PM
SOOOOO glad I escaped from that shiathole 10 years ago...

/mom, sister, btother, 2 nieces and nephew are still there :(
 
2014-04-25 04:54:56 PM
Good thing we are hyperfocused on some cattle in Nevada
 
2014-04-25 04:55:49 PM
These guys are clearly struggling to operate under Obama's iron-fisted regulations.
 
2014-04-25 04:55:52 PM
Almost all fossil fuel is somewhat radioactive.  That's what happens when it sits in the ground for millions of years.  Some radioactive material will leech into it.

There's enough uranium in some types of coal to make mining the coal just for the uranium almost economically viable.  We burn that and we used to let the uranium just go up the stack and into the atmosphere.  At least at a nuclear reactor we keep the uranium inside (usually).  Glad we have stack scrubbers now.
 
2014-04-25 04:56:08 PM
Well, let's just shiat ourserlves, because, earth, has "potentially" radioactive materials.
 
2014-04-25 04:59:45 PM
South Dakota has Mt. Rushmore.

blackhillsattraction.com

North Dakota got stuck with this:

www.clevelandseniors.com
 
2014-04-25 05:02:47 PM
Banana's naturally contain a radioactive isotope of Potassium.

/just sayin
 
2014-04-25 05:03:09 PM
Meh, the Earth needs to evolve in order to support us or die. Survival of the fittest biatches.
 
2014-04-25 05:03:49 PM
Local coverage of this isn't quite as doom and gloom as AlJazeera.  I would hazard a guess that the truth is probably somewhere in between the two reports.
 
2014-04-25 05:04:35 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Gee, another anti-fracking article from AlJazeera. No agenda there.

//pollution is bad, mmkay.


Yeah, this has been reported for over a year now.
 
2014-04-25 05:04:48 PM
Dumping brime into waters of the US (including underground reservoirs/rivers) is prohibited by the Clean Water Act.  I don't see why they're having a problem going after these people (besides not knowing who did it since they weren't caught in the act).  I'm not very familiar with land management environmental codes, but seeing that it is hazardous waste, how could there not be some available recourse.  More likely the states/local governments don't have the trained staff to oversee the environmental side of these operations.
 
2014-04-25 05:04:57 PM
As told to us by one of the drivers at the shale gas well in our town.   "The answer to pollution is dilution".

As long as we spread it out far and wide, we are ok.     If we pile all these drillings up in one place, then they would call it a toxic waste site.

So they truck it all over our state and spread it on fields, landfills, construction sites.

The funny thing is they have never left the 'solids' from the well on the landowner's property.   They don't really like all those salts and heavy metals on 'their' property.


N Dakota needs to get the dump trucks running far an wide and 'spread it out'.   Problem solved according to Pennsylvania
 
2014-04-25 05:05:00 PM
lousyskater


Banana's naturally contain a radioactive isotope of Potassium.

/just sayin


I eat radiation for breakfast.
 
2014-04-25 05:05:35 PM

Iszael: Almost all fossil fuel is somewhat radioactive.  That's what happens when it sits in the ground for millions of years.  Some radioactive material will leech into it.

There's enough uranium in some types of coal to make mining the coal just for the uranium almost economically viable.  We burn that and we used to let the uranium just go up the stack and into the atmosphere.  At least at a nuclear reactor we keep the uranium inside (usually).  Glad we have stack scrubbers now.


Even with scrubbers, I think you're still exposed to more radioactive isotopes living downwind of a coal plant than a nuke plant.
 
2014-04-25 05:06:12 PM
I live on the Green River Shale formation. One of the biggest frackers here is American Shale Oil Corporation, a French company. They have American flags on top of their drilling rigs. Any criticism of them is muted with a chorus of, "why you against 'Merica and jobs!"

They have created a perfect propaganda model. There is no defeating it.
 
2014-04-25 05:08:46 PM

vodka: Meh, the Earth needs to evolve in order to support us or die. Survival of the fittest biatches.


I'm always down with more of the fittest biatches.
 
2014-04-25 05:12:00 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Gee, another anti-fracking article from AlJazeera. No agenda there.

//pollution is bad, mmkay.


No fracking in Texas. None.
 
2014-04-25 05:14:13 PM

mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....


America is not going self-sufficient. We are letting private companies extract fossil fuels from publicly-owned lands. Those companies then sell it back at profit.
 
2014-04-25 05:15:49 PM

mikeisboris: Local coverage of this isn't quite as doom and gloom as AlJazeera.  I would hazard a guess that the truth is probably somewhere in between the two reports.


Why is the truth "between" the first two options you think of? Why are two posited options always seen as opposites?  The truth of the matter could be WORSE than what Al Jazeera reported. (The truth is usually unimaginably bad.)
 
2014-04-25 05:23:15 PM

mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....


You don't know much about Aljazeera do you?

From the wiki:

In the 2000s, the network was praised by the Index on Censorship for circumventing censorship and contributing to the free exchange of information in the Arab world, and by the Webby Awards, who nominated it as one of the five best news web sites, along with BBC News, National Geographic and The Smoking Gun.

They kind of got where they are because they don't give much of a slant, if any. Unliky libbly CNN or conservative FoxNEWS.  Just basic reporting, no telling people what to think or what opinions to have(aside from their tendency to flout authority that tries to shut them down for being honest, including powers in the part of the world to which you are referring.)
 
2014-04-25 05:26:11 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Gee, another anti-fracking article from AlJazeera. No agenda there.

//pollution is bad, mmkay.


mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....



A little over 30 seconds time difference between posts. Both desperately trying to change the argument and attack the source rather than the facts. I am surprised.
 
2014-04-25 05:30:12 PM

mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....


It's cute that you still believe in fairy tales.
 
2014-04-25 05:32:47 PM
Where the deer and the antelope decay.
 
2014-04-25 05:34:27 PM
Well, that can't be. When oil companies drill holes in the ground, FreedomTM comes out.
 
2014-04-25 05:35:23 PM

REO-Weedwagon: mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....

America is not going self-sufficient. We are letting private companies extract fossil fuels from publicly-owned lands. Those companies then sell it back at profit.


And you forgot the most important fact:

These fracking companies don't give a shiat where it ends up. It could easily be exported overseas if those countries are willing to pay more for it.

America doesn't get to call dibs on oil that's drilled here.
 
2014-04-25 05:39:14 PM

Bob Robert: Ow! That was my feelings!: Gee, another anti-fracking article from AlJazeera. No agenda there.

//pollution is bad, mmkay.

mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....


A little over 30 seconds time difference between posts. Both desperately trying to change the argument and attack the source rather than the facts. I am surprised.


Troll like typing detected.

If you have something to say, say it. Quit hiding behind others points of view.
 
2014-04-25 05:49:15 PM

Bob Robert: Ow! That was my feelings!: Gee, another anti-fracking article from AlJazeera. No agenda there.

//pollution is bad, mmkay.

mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....


A little over 30 seconds time difference between posts. Both desperately trying to change the argument and attack the source rather than the facts. I am surprised.


Heh. Perhaps I'm too cynical for my own good, but I have a hard time thinking a "news agency" owned by a Persian Gulf dictator, who would have an obvious interest in discrediting fracking, wouldn't have an agenda with their constant attacks on fracking.
 
2014-04-25 05:54:04 PM
Wait, so North Dakota might end up more of a barren wasteland than it already is?
 
2014-04-25 05:55:23 PM

AliasSally: Dumping brime into waters of the US (including underground reservoirs/rivers) is prohibited by the Clean Water Act.  I don't see why they're having a problem going after these people (besides not knowing who did it since they weren't caught in the act).  I'm not very familiar with land management environmental codes, but seeing that it is hazardous waste, how could there not be some available recourse.  More likely the states/local governments don't have the trained staff to oversee the environmental side of these operations.


and a lot of money changing hands to look the other way...
 
2014-04-25 05:55:23 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Heh. Perhaps I'm too cynical for my own good, but I have a hard time thinking a "news agency" owned by a Persian Gulf dictator, who would have an obvious interest in discrediting fracking, wouldn't have an agenda with their constant attacks on fracking.


So having an agenda means you can't read the story and double check their facts to see whether it is correct or false propaganda? What news sources do you read that are completely devoid of biases?
 
2014-04-25 06:00:15 PM

Bob Robert: Ow! That was my feelings!: Heh. Perhaps I'm too cynical for my own good, but I have a hard time thinking a "news agency" owned by a Persian Gulf dictator, who would have an obvious interest in discrediting fracking, wouldn't have an agenda with their constant attacks on fracking.

So having an agenda means you can't read the story and double check their facts to see whether it is correct or false propaganda? What news sources do you read that are completely devoid of biases?


I don't believe there is any such thing as unbiased 'news'. But anti-fracking articles are a staple of AlJazeera. Like they have an agenda or something. Which I obviously believe they do. Doesn't mean I think fracking is great or without cost, but I don't consider them a legit news source about fracking because of their bias.
 
2014-04-25 06:00:46 PM

The_Hairy_Gooch: AliasSally: Dumping brime into waters of the US (including underground reservoirs/rivers) is prohibited by the Clean Water Act.  I don't see why they're having a problem going after these people (besides not knowing who did it since they weren't caught in the act).  I'm not very familiar with land management environmental codes, but seeing that it is hazardous waste, how could there not be some available recourse.  More likely the states/local governments don't have the trained staff to oversee the environmental side of these operations.

and a lot of money changing hands to look the other way...


Most definitely.
 
2014-04-25 06:07:23 PM
I grew up in NW Iowa, which was bad enough... and it only gets worse the further northwest you go
 
2014-04-25 06:11:32 PM

omeganuepsilon: They kind of got where they are because they don't give much of a slant, if any. Unliky libbly CNN or conservative FoxNEWS. Just basic reporting, no telling people what to think or what opinions to have(aside from their tendency to flout authority that tries to shut them down for being honest, including powers in the part of the world to which you are referring.)


I actually like them.

However, this story sucks. Low level radiation? Bananas emit low levels of radiation (seriously, they do, really. Natural potassium is "hot"). Without knowing how much, its hard to get excited.

Also, there's a real simple solution for this. Gather up all the scary radioactive things, and put them back where you found them, deep beneath the Earth. Problem solved.
 
2014-04-25 06:30:06 PM
Don't just worry about the radiation. This oil crap is notoriously hard to dispose of. And they want to put it on the roads as brine?! wtf?!
 
2014-04-25 06:59:42 PM

meat0918: Iszael: Almost all fossil fuel is somewhat radioactive.  That's what happens when it sits in the ground for millions of years.  Some radioactive material will leech into it.

There's enough uranium in some types of coal to make mining the coal just for the uranium almost economically viable.  We burn that and we used to let the uranium just go up the stack and into the atmosphere.  At least at a nuclear reactor we keep the uranium inside (usually).  Glad we have stack scrubbers now.

Even with scrubbers, I think you're still exposed to more radioactive isotopes living downwind of a coal plant than a nuke plant.


You're probably exposed to way more by smoking a single pack of cigarettes than if you lived between a coal fired power plant and a nuke plant while rolling around in the NORM from the article.  Take a flight from New York to LA and you just doubled it.

Radiation is everywhere, but people grew up on comic books and bad sci-fi so they blow an ovary every time they hear the word.
 
2014-04-25 07:00:33 PM

omeganuepsilon: mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....

You don't know much about Aljazeera do you?

From the wiki:

In the 2000s, the network was praised by the Index on Censorship for circumventing censorship and contributing to the free exchange of information in the Arab world, and by the Webby Awards, who nominated it as one of the five best news web sites, along with BBC News, National Geographic and The Smoking Gun.

They kind of got where they are because they don't give much of a slant, if any. Unliky libbly CNN or conservative FoxNEWS.  Just basic reporting, no telling people what to think or what opinions to have(aside from their tendency to flout authority that tries to shut them down for being honest, including powers in the part of the world to which you are referring.)


Two slants: 1, always be sympathetic to Palestinians, and 2, don't say anything bad about the Emir of Qatar.  I can live with my media having those two known biases.
 
2014-04-25 07:03:17 PM

REO-Weedwagon: mark12A: Pretty sporty story from a state owned news agency in the part of the world that stands to lose a lot of money and influence when America goes energy self sufficient.....

America is not going self-sufficient. We are letting private companies extract fossil fuels from publicly-owned lands. Those companies then sell it back at profit.


ZOMG!!! Not PROFIT!!! Say it's anything but PROFIT!!!

Please... save us from all the money!
 
2014-04-25 07:19:31 PM
How radioactive are we talking here?
 
2014-04-25 07:40:14 PM

Old enough to know better: Wait, so North Dakota might end up more of a barren wasteland than it already is?


Yeah, there might be less than nobody living there.
 
2014-04-25 07:49:45 PM
There's a national park in North Dakota?
 
2014-04-25 07:56:16 PM

toddalmighty: There's a national park in North Dakota?


Heh, almost made the same post.

Theodore Roosevelt National Park.

everywhereonce.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-25 07:56:17 PM

sprgrss: How radioactive are we talking here?


Like "having clay pottery and granite counter tops in your house" kinda radioactivity.

Seriously... Unless you're going to be grinding up produced water scale without a respirator or sweeping out tank bottoms in an enclosed space, it's no big deal.
 
2014-04-25 09:10:27 PM

Danger Avoid Death: South Dakota has Mt. Rushmore.

[blackhillsattraction.com image 473x355]

North Dakota got stuck with this:

[www.clevelandseniors.com image 450x248]


It all sucks. Mt. Rushmore is a thing that you see once because it ain't changing. This crappy state bases it's economy on it.

fark Mount Rushmore.

And fark North Dakota., Aka Baja Canada.
 
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