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(Opposing Views)   Problem: Returning soldier finds two squatters in his home, police refuse to throw them out. Solution: A motorcycle gang of military veterans roll by and "peacefully make the squatters uncomfortable"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 290
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2014-04-25 05:29:00 PM
 
2014-04-25 05:29:19 PM
How come we cannot get our "representatives" in Washington DC to create a law that bans this sort of squatting BS? Must we wait till some billionaire gets their mansion squatted before things will actually start to happen?
 
2014-04-25 05:29:30 PM

Nabb1: hardinparamedic: Gonz: But there are most certainly ways to gain ownership of a piece of property without paying anything other than court costs.

As a side note, I hope his property taxes are all paid up.

Adverse possession of real property takes 30 years. A couple of years of back due property taxes won't change that, and I doubt the city would seize the property and sell it that quickly.


In Florida, it's only 7 years, open and notorious.

/Got a 136.1 on the FL bar.  Wish I didn't waste my time learning that extra .1
 
2014-04-25 05:29:41 PM
A few grenades through the windows would get him out pretty quick.
 
2014-04-25 05:29:49 PM
If it'll help, I 'll post more cookies and milk.  I want to be happy today.  Help me out.  Free virtual cookies!
 
2014-04-25 05:30:05 PM

kling_klang_bed: While they're peacefully kicking out squatters:

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Didn't this dude just implode about "the new sheriff"? Or some such... I believe the Teabaggers have already left him in the dust, lest they be outed.
 
2014-04-25 05:31:24 PM

sprgrss: Mugato: Actually I never used the word abolished, that was the other guy. And yes I know what a contract is and I know you know your examples aren't what I was talking about.

Then what in the fark are you talking about?


Something that pertains to the farking article. Large, important contractual agreements that are normally drawn up on paper. An oral agreement should not be sufficient for things like property or agreements on major services or jobs, I wasn't talking about ordering a farking pizza.
 
2014-04-25 05:31:31 PM

TV's Vinnie: Must we wait till some billionaire gets their mansion squatted before things will actually start to happen?


Yes.  But it will only happen for him.  The serfs will still need baseball bats and months of profitable litigation to keep their homes.
 
2014-04-25 05:31:59 PM
Too bad he called the police. He could have just walked into the house, waited for the people to face him, shot them, THEN called the police and said the pieces of shiat said they were going to kill him and moved towards him menacingly. And I would be 100% OK with that. If you don't want to get shot, stay off of other people's property. It's a super easy rule to live by.
 
2014-04-25 05:33:22 PM

special20: kling_klang_bed: While they're peacefully kicking out squatters:

[a57.foxnews.com image 850x478]

Didn't this dude just implode about "the new sheriff"? Or some such... I believe the Teabaggers have already left him in the dust, lest they be outed.


No clue on that one.
Just when you think a person living out in the middle of nowhere in Nevada couldn't get any lonelier, here he comes.
 
2014-04-25 05:34:05 PM

That Guy Jeff: Too bad he called the police. He could have just walked into the house, waited for the people to face him, shot them, THEN called the police and said the pieces of shiat said they were going to kill him and moved towards him menacingly. And I would be 100% OK with that. If you don't want to get shot, stay off of other people's property. It's a super easy rule to live by.


Just don't record yourself and before putting the final fatal shot in them say "Oh, your gonna die!"
 
2014-04-25 05:34:11 PM

Mugato: sprgrss: Mugato: Actually I never used the word abolished, that was the other guy. And yes I know what a contract is and I know you know your examples aren't what I was talking about.

Then what in the fark are you talking about?

Something that pertains to the farking article. Large, important contractual agreements that are normally drawn up on paper. An oral agreement should not be sufficient for things like property or agreements on major services or jobs, I wasn't talking about ordering a farking pizza.


Have you ever heard of the Statue of Frauds?

But I'm glad we've got ambiguous terms like major services or jobs.  The fact of the matter is the majority of contracts in this world are oral contracts.  That includes "major services or jobs" too.

Your rule would grind commerce to a halt

But keep moving those goalposts.
 
2014-04-25 05:35:59 PM

Inchoate: a TENET is a central premise of a belief system.

a TENANT is somebody consensually renting or occupying a place they don't own.

Brought to you by an INCHOATE, somebody who wants to stop twitching while reading this thread. ;)


Tennant is a very popular actor
 
2014-04-25 05:36:18 PM

sprgrss: But keep moving those goalposts.


I didn't move shiat, I've been completely consistent.
 
2014-04-25 05:37:37 PM

Mugato: sprgrss: But keep moving those goalposts.

I didn't move shiat, I've been completely consistent.


abolish oral contracts, but wait, not that type, or this type, or that type over there.  Only those types that aren't already valid in the first place.

But no, I've remained consistent.
 
2014-04-25 05:37:38 PM

Mugato: walktoanarcade: I think it's more about Florida's ridiculous laws concerning verbal/oral agreements.

How do you prove an oral agreement unless it's recorded?


orally if you know what i'm saying
 
2014-04-25 05:39:21 PM

KidneyStone: I moved from Palm Bay to South Florida in 92. Ya know, when Andrew hit. And was still living there in 04 when Jeanne and Frances hit. And don't get me started on the biatch Wilma, although I like being able to say I've been in the eye of a Cat 3.



Yikes!

Ah....thanks for naming the two that hit in 2004....I forgot the names.

CSB:

After the first one hit, my Dad flew down to help out the the insurance and home repairs.  When the second one was aiming for Florida, I remember talking to him on the phone and saying that he was going to delay the flight home (for obvious reasons).

/Said it sounded like a train was right outside.
 
2014-04-25 05:39:29 PM
Couldn't he have just shot them both and said he was "standing his ground in his own house"?
 
2014-04-25 05:43:36 PM

sprgrss: Mugato: sprgrss: You use widgets in one of your products.  Your supply of widgets get destroyed in a sprinkler system malfunction and you need 10,000 widgets next week.  You call me up and order those widgets.  Should I have to wait until we can get together to agree to a written contract and put it in writing before I start manufacturing those 10,000 widgets you ordered or should I start manufacturing your widgets so that you can get those 10,000 widgets on time and you can fulfill your other contractual obligations?

You're still talking about buying shiat. You have to be being deliberately obtuse at this point.

I'm not being deliberately obtuse.  You stated oral contracts should be abolished.  I said that would grind commerce to a halt. You then wanted examples.

At no point have you made yourself clear as to what you mean other than to emphatically state that oral contracts should be abolished.

Methinks you don't understand what a contract is.


Grind commerce to a halt?
No, we have fax machines, order forms, hell even emails.
 
2014-04-25 05:44:17 PM

The_Sponge: meat0918: On the other hand, I don't like people taking the law into their own hands, even in this "peaceful" manner. Isn't menacing a crime in most places?


Really?  The "menacing" is geared towards pieces of garbage, not an innocent couple.

/Never had to deal with squatters.
//But it was shiatty enough when I had to kick out a person who was renting a room from me and stopped paying rent.


According to a plurality of the nation *I* am a "piece of garbage" because I am not part of the "right" religion.  Not too long ago the people living down the street from me were "pieces of garbage" for having the wrong color skin for this neighborhood.

Hot-blooded vigilantism is fun, quick, and easy, but it erodes the structure of a nation of laws.

Sgt Otter: bunner: I have come to the conclusion that the friend in this case who was willfully charged with overseeing the property in the owner's absence was pretty much useless.

Yeah, asking someone to watch your place for TWO YEARS, he should have set up some sort of lease, or limited power of attorney.  I'm not sure exactly what the cops would have wanted, but perhaps a "I will not sublet the property without the express written permission of the owner" might have helped.


I was house-sitting for a friend for a week and my thoughts often turned to, "what to do when the police start questioning the stranger (me) who doesn't live here?"
 
2014-04-25 05:44:20 PM

sprgrss: walktoanarcade: *sigh*

Those are poor examples all. Those are all things not expressly needing a contract for extra protection.

If I call a pizza place and make an order they make it once they verify the phone number on their caller ID, which is how everyone rolls here.  No contract needed with their having proof of me calling.

You're simply wrong. (and I know about the receipts for the third time ;) )

Oral/verbal agreements need to be abolished concerning large items, which I should have specified. One person's word over another regarding property or other items of high value, is stupid.

I operate a widget manufacturing plant.

You use widgets in one of your products.  Your supply of widgets get destroyed in a sprinkler system malfunction and you need 10,000 widgets next week.  You call me up and order those widgets.  Should I have to wait until we can get together to agree to a written contract and put it in writing before I start manufacturing those 10,000 widgets you ordered or should I start manufacturing your widgets so that you can get those 10,000 widgets on time and you can fulfill your other contractual obligations?


Not a lawyer, not previously part of this particular conversation, but I'm going to go ahead and chime in anyway: if you and I are already on the basis such that you could call me up and order 10k of my widgets, we've probably already got a standing business relationship, wherein you probably already did sign a contract that specified a credit limit ("you can order up to 100,000 widgets at a time") and payment terms ("you will pay me for any widgets you order within 30 days"). If we don't have that agreement in place already, then, yes, I will wait till we have something in writing, or you have already paid me in advance.
 
2014-04-25 05:46:51 PM

the cake is a pie: Not a lawyer, not previously part of this particular conversation, but I'm going to go ahead and chime in anyway: if you and I are already on the basis such that you could call me up and order 10k of my widgets, we've probably already got a standing business relationship, wherein you probably already did sign a contract that specified a credit limit ("you can order up to 100,000 widgets at a time") and payment terms ("you will pay me for any widgets you order within 30 days"). If we don't have that agreement in place already, then, yes, I will wait till we have something in writing, or you have already paid me in advance.


Not an enforceable contract because the terms aren't definite enough, as in I don't know how many widgets to produce and when
 
2014-04-25 05:48:52 PM

Smackledorfer: Grind commerce to a halt?
No, we have fax machines, order forms, hell even emails.


Despite all that, the majority of commercial contracts are oral contracts and performance begins prior to it being reduced to a writing.

Not to mention that any time you but anything from a store, you are entering into an oral contract.  Every time you order a beer, you are entering into an oral contract.  If all oral contracts had to be reduced to a writing, then yes, commerce would come to a halt.
 
2014-04-25 05:49:40 PM

Dimensio: meat0918: I'm torn.

On one hand I dislike squatters, and am cynical enough to believe the friend is lying to this guy to cover his ass.

On the other hand, I don't like people taking the law into their own hands, even in this "peaceful" manner.  Isn't menacing a crime in most places?

I agree with your concern. As the homeowner had attempted legal relief for his grievance, and was informed by police officers that they would do nothing to remove the criminal invaders of his home, he should have simply accepted that he had no recourse at all, and allowed the criminal squatters to remain undisturbed.

why would he want that sh*t hole back anyway. it looks like a crack house (and is).
I'm sure he has insurance. go back late one night when these clowns are passed out, and burn the b*tch to the ground. you think if Spec. whatever is name was didn't raise a stink, the cops have better things to do then investigate the death of 2 crack head ex-con squatters.
BAM! new house is already renovated!
everybody wins!

 
2014-04-25 05:51:16 PM

hardinparamedic: lennavan: This is Florida and Florida has Stand Your Ground laws.  A perfectly lawful solution would have been for the soldier to break down his own front door, because it's his door and he can do with it what he wants, and in finding intruders in his home, so he goes right ahead and stands his ground.

Uh, you do realize that the law considers them residents of the property, and had he done that, they would have been legally justified in shooting him the moment he kicked the door in and forced entry.

They would have been standing their ground against an attacker.


The legal papers however say that the guy coming home owned the property
 
2014-04-25 05:55:23 PM

TheBigJerk: According to a plurality of the nation *I* am a "piece of garbage" because I am not part of the "right" religion. Not too long ago the people living down the street from me were "pieces of garbage" for having the wrong color skin for this neighborhood.

Hot-blooded vigilantism is fun, quick, and easy, but it erodes the structure of a nation of laws.



When I call somebody a piece of garbage, it's due to the "content of their character", and not the color of their skin.

But by all means, keep spouting off nonsense.
 
2014-04-25 05:55:23 PM

sprgrss: Mugato: sprgrss: But keep moving those goalposts.

I didn't move shiat, I've been completely consistent.

abolish oral contracts, but wait, not that type, or this type, or that type over there.  Only those types that aren't already valid in the first place.

But no, I've remained consistent.


I never said Goddamn "abolish" Jesus Christ.
 
2014-04-25 05:55:30 PM
...and this is why, if you're going to rent out your house while you're away, you A) find someone responsible to be the landlord, B) you insist on getting a written lease, C) you insist on a credit check and/or security deposit from all prospective tenants, and D) give the tenants the notice to vacate required by law before you move back in.

BTW, for anyone in Florida, the forms are available here.  It's law, not rocket science.
 
2014-04-25 05:55:50 PM

sprgrss: Every time you order a beer, you are entering into an oral contract.


I wish all girls thought that way.
 
2014-04-25 05:56:50 PM

sprgrss: Sgt Otter: bunner: I have come to the conclusion that the friend in this case who was willfully charged with overseeing the property in the owner's absence was pretty much useless.

Yeah, asking someone to watch your place for TWO YEARS, he should have set up some sort of lease, or limited power of attorney.  I'm not sure exactly what the cops would have wanted, but perhaps a "I will not sublet the property without the express written permission of the owner" might have helped.

That only protects you against the person whom you have the contract with.  Not the good faith sublessor.

Point is, Cops aren't going to get involved absent a court order when there is someone who is domiciled at the location.


Actually it does.  Well okay I know it has in some states.  There was a case on fark a while back where some guy sub-let houses he owned.  Problem is he had also mortgaged those properties, and when the bills became too much he ran out with the money.  A family who had put 6 months rent in was kicked out after 1 month because, "fark you, your agreement is with the other guy and the house is ours now."

The problem is that there are NO agreements in this story, (at least, nothing documented) so the only things that are certain are that the squatters have lived there (maybe legally, maybe not, again, no documents) and the owner now wants to evict them.  And since legally requiring documentation of lease and rental agreements be filed with the state is a job-killing, people-strangling, evil federal government over-reach regulation, the police have to walk away until a court order shows up.

It is the same as the challenges to getting a warrant if the cops know crimes are being committed but have no proof.  Except there is less payoff because "squatters evicted" isn't a number or statistic that anyone cares about in or around the law-enforcement career track.
 
2014-04-25 05:57:43 PM

Mugato: sprgrss: Mugato: sprgrss: But keep moving those goalposts.

I didn't move shiat, I've been completely consistent.

abolish oral contracts, but wait, not that type, or this type, or that type over there.  Only those types that aren't already valid in the first place.

But no, I've remained consistent. 

I never said Goddamn "abolish" Jesus Christ.


In as many words you did.
 
2014-04-25 05:59:20 PM

peacheslatour: The_Sponge: mr lawson: it's Pasco co, new port richey.
This place is the reason Fl has its own tag. Not joking. This one county. This one city.

I thought Florida had it's own tag because of Melbourne/Palm Bay.

My Aunt moved from Seattle to Melbourne and tell tales of all the insanity.



Ha!  To tell the truth, I never saw anything crazy there.....but I have seen plenty of wild news stories coming from those two towns.

Now when she lived in Hollywood, FL and owned an apartment complex in a bad neighborhood, the craziness was all around her.....and I only saw a small sample of it.
 
2014-04-25 06:00:07 PM

The_Sponge: mr lawson: it's Pasco co, new port richey.
This place is the reason Fl has its own tag. Not joking. This one county. This one city.

I thought Florida had it's own tag because of Melbourne/Palm Bay.


Florida has its own tag because FLORIDA.
 
2014-04-25 06:08:01 PM

TheBigJerk: According to a plurality of the nation *I* am a "piece of garbage" because I am not part of the "right" religion.



Bronyism?
 
2014-04-25 06:08:07 PM

The_Sponge: TheBigJerk: According to a plurality of the nation *I* am a "piece of garbage" because I am not part of the "right" religion. Not too long ago the people living down the street from me were "pieces of garbage" for having the wrong color skin for this neighborhood.

Hot-blooded vigilantism is fun, quick, and easy, but it erodes the structure of a nation of laws.


When I call somebody a piece of garbage, it's due to the "content of their character", and not the color of their skin.

But by all means, keep spouting off nonsense.


Are you everybody?

I wasn't talking about YOUR personal standards or even arguing these people aren't "garbage (they are).  My point, which seems to have sailed far over your angry, hair-trigger head is that rule of men, rule of "I think he's a piece of garbage so that's that," is in direct opposition to the rule of law.  A majority of Americans are bigoted jerks willing to write off decent people for shiatty reasons, whether or not you're one of them doesn't change the fact that "mob justice" tends inevitably towards being unjust.
 
2014-04-25 06:09:21 PM

washington-babylon: Bunch of muscle-bound hairy dudes in ski masks show up at night, bundle filthy thieving squatters into a van with a muddy plate and give them a nice ride to a dirt road waaaay outside of town. Strip them nude (yes, including shoes), place their hands on the van bumper and apply baseball bat liberally directly to fingers. Drive off, taking their clothes and identification and pitching them out the window in pieces over the next 30 minutes while driving away from the city of residence. Double back, move into home and start cleanup. I can assure you that squatters will be keeping a really low profile if this becomes the norm.


AND THEN THEY HAVE TO SLIDE DOWN A SLIDE MADE OF RAZOR BLADES INTO A POOL OF LEMON JUICE AND THEN BATMAN PEE-PEES ON THEN AND SOME OF IT GOES IN THEIR MOUTH

Are you 9 years old?
 
2014-04-25 06:11:54 PM

TV's Vinnie: How come we cannot get our "representatives" in Washington DC to create a law that bans this sort of squatting BS? Must we wait till some billionaire gets their mansion squatted before things will actually start to happen?


No, you do what this guy did. You contact a few friends and you politely make it known that you're no longer welcome in his home. If they insist on staying, then just make yourself at home with them. I mean after all, you're here, why can't I be?
 
2014-04-25 06:13:46 PM

TheBigJerk: I wasn't talking about YOUR personal standards or even arguing these people aren't "garbage (they are). My point, which seems to have sailed far over your angry, hair-trigger head is that rule of men, rule of "I think he's a piece of garbage so that's that," is in direct opposition to the rule of law. A majority of Americans are bigoted jerks willing to write off decent people for shiatty reasons, whether or not you're one of them doesn't change the fact that "mob justice" tends inevitably towards being unjust.



At yet you felt the need to bring up something that has nothing to do with the situation at hand.  Do me a favor and save your previous verbiage for a thread that calls for it....like a story involving a hate crime.
 
2014-04-25 06:15:49 PM

poot_rootbeer: AND THEN BATMAN PEE-PEES ON THEN AND SOME OF IT GOES IN THEIR MOUTH



Fark is not your personal erotica site.

/I chuckled.
 
2014-04-25 06:23:18 PM

sprgrss: Smackledorfer: Grind commerce to a halt?
No, we have fax machines, order forms, hell even emails.

Despite all that, the majority of commercial contracts are oral contracts and performance begins prior to it being reduced to a writing.

Not to mention that any time you but anything from a store, you are entering into an oral contract.  Every time you order a beer, you are entering into an oral contract.  If all oral contracts had to be reduced to a writing, then yes, commerce would come to a halt.


I don't think you understand the words you type.

Or I am underestimating your penchant for hyperbole.

I am not in favor of abolishing oral contracts, but what you are saying is pants on head retarded.

A simple bill printing and signing step would easily counter the grinding halt of restaurant/bar commerce you predict. The diner could still pay at the end of the meal.

Buying groceries is absolutely not an oral contract. I get a receipt every time, I see the scan amounts, and either parry can walk away from the transaction prior to the exchange of money for goods.
 
2014-04-25 06:25:56 PM

sprgrss: Mugato: sprgrss: Mugato: sprgrss: But keep moving those goalposts.

I didn't move shiat, I've been completely consistent.

abolish oral contracts, but wait, not that type, or this type, or that type over there.  Only those types that aren't already valid in the first place.

But no, I've remained consistent. 

I never said Goddamn "abolish" Jesus Christ.

In as many words you did.


Can you not at least accept that you and he are having communication issues and accept his clear statement here?

Jfc.
 
2014-04-25 06:29:42 PM

Smackledorfer: sprgrss: Smackledorfer: Grind commerce to a halt?
No, we have fax machines, order forms, hell even emails.

Despite all that, the majority of commercial contracts are oral contracts and performance begins prior to it being reduced to a writing.

Not to mention that any time you but anything from a store, you are entering into an oral contract.  Every time you order a beer, you are entering into an oral contract.  If all oral contracts had to be reduced to a writing, then yes, commerce would come to a halt.

I don't think you understand the words you type.

Or I am underestimating your penchant for hyperbole.

I am not in favor of abolishing oral contracts, but what you are saying is pants on head retarded.

A simple bill printing and signing step would easily counter the grinding halt of restaurant/bar commerce you predict. The diner could still pay at the end of the meal.

Buying groceries is absolutely not an oral contract. I get a receipt every time, I see the scan amounts, and either parry can walk away from the transaction prior to the exchange of money for goods.


That's but one small instance.  You call it pants on head retarded, but I don't think you understand how ubiquitous oral contracts are in our day-to-day lives that the elimination of which would result in such a radical change that life would be come nearly impossible.
 
2014-04-25 06:31:36 PM

Smackledorfer: sprgrss: Mugato: sprgrss: Mugato: sprgrss: But keep moving those goalposts.

I didn't move shiat, I've been completely consistent.

abolish oral contracts, but wait, not that type, or this type, or that type over there.  Only those types that aren't already valid in the first place.
oBut no, I've remained consistent. 

I never said Goddamn "abolish" Jesus Christ.

In as many words you did.

Can you not at least accept that you and he are having communication issues and accept his clear statement here?

Jfc.


Because I've seen what he's written in regards to oral contracts.

If I go through life arguing with everyone who claims the sky is blue, but never utter the words, "the sky is not blue" would you then so blindly accept my protestations that I never said the sky wasn't blue?
 
2014-04-25 06:31:58 PM
So other than shooting unarmed americans and their dogs, what "good" are police again?
 
2014-04-25 06:42:19 PM

sprgrss: Smackledorfer: sprgrss: Smackledorfer: Grind commerce to a halt?
No, we have fax machines, order forms, hell even emails.

Despite all that, the majority of commercial contracts are oral contracts and performance begins prior to it being reduced to a writing.

Not to mention that any time you but anything from a store, you are entering into an oral contract.  Every time you order a beer, you are entering into an oral contract.  If all oral contracts had to be reduced to a writing, then yes, commerce would come to a halt.

I don't think you understand the words you type.

Or I am underestimating your penchant for hyperbole.

I am not in favor of abolishing oral contracts, but what you are saying is pants on head retarded.

A simple bill printing and signing step would easily counter the grinding halt of restaurant/bar commerce you predict. The diner could still pay at the end of the meal.

Buying groceries is absolutely not an oral contract. I get a receipt every time, I see the scan amounts, and either parry can walk away from the transaction prior to the exchange of money for goods.

That's but one small instance.  You call it pants on head retarded, but I don't think you understand how ubiquitous oral contracts are in our day-to-day lives that the elimination of which would result in such a radical change that life would be come nearly impossible.


First, you made those examples, not me. Don't tell me now that they don't count. Perhaps you should pick better examples to support your claim.

Second, nearly impossible? Again no.

We have very efficient and effective options to quickly apply standardized written, recorded, or electronic contracts.

Do you think a law altering or abolishing oral contracts would come into being in the blink of an eye with no warning? That is an absurdity.

Even with something like renting my old house it took a minimal amount of effort to print up a standard rental agreement.

Finally, to repeat myself, I am not in favor of eliminating oral contracts. I am simoly telling you that your hyperbole is ridiculous and your examples supporting said hyperbole don't hold up.
 
2014-04-25 06:54:00 PM
On another point, if you will be away from your property, wouldn't it be better to have a realtor take supervision? I understand some provide that service. Might prevent another nightmare--contractors with a demolition order tearing down the wrong place.
 
2014-04-25 06:58:20 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: They should go into business.  Veteran Trash Removal Services.


They kind of are.  The two MCs involved have committed to cleaning the place up.  The original news story showed a fairly normal, clean home and the assholes trashed it.

A lot of people hate bikers because reasons but we are a generous lot.
 
2014-04-25 06:58:23 PM

Smackledorfer: First, you made those examples, not me. Don't tell me now that they don't count. Perhaps you should pick better examples to support your claim.

Second, nearly impossible? Again no.

We have very efficient and effective options to quickly apply standardized written, recorded, or electronic contracts.

Do you think a law altering or abolishing oral contracts would come into being in the blink of an eye with no warning? That is an absurdity.

Even with something like renting my old house it took a minimal amount of effort to print up a standard rental agreement.

Finally, to repeat myself, I am not in favor of eliminating oral contracts. I am simoly telling you that your hyperbole is ridiculous and your examples supporting said hyperbole don't hold up.


1.  They are but examples.  I never said they didn't count.

2.  Yes, given the amount of commerce that is conducted with oral contracts yes.

3.  So now there is no more bargaining to be had between parties?  We are just going to fiat say these are the terms and you have no right to alter these terms?  So much for a free society.  Guess I can't pay the neighborhood kid to mow my lawn tomorrow because we don't have a standardized implied contract for him to mow it tomorrow, after two, but no later than four pm.

4.  An absurdity is calling for the end of oral contracts.  Do you even understand what a contract is?

5.  Yes sometimes it is best to have a written contract.

6.  It's not hyperbole.  You only think it is hyperbole because you have zero concept of how much our everyday life are governed by oral contracts.
 
2014-04-25 07:08:33 PM
If I could edit I would:  It's not sometimes best to have a written contract.  It is best to have a written contract. Sometimes that doesn't happen.  Sometimes it isn't feasible.
 
2014-04-25 07:24:49 PM

sprgrss: Smackledorfer: First, you made those examples, not me. Don't tell me now that they don't count. Perhaps you should pick better examples to support your claim.

Second, nearly impossible? Again no.

We have very efficient and effective options to quickly apply standardized written, recorded, or electronic contracts.

Do you think a law altering or abolishing oral contracts would come into being in the blink of an eye with no warning? That is an absurdity.

Even with something like renting my old house it took a minimal amount of effort to print up a standard rental agreement.

Finally, to repeat myself, I am not in favor of eliminating oral contracts. I am simoly telling you that your hyperbole is ridiculous and your examples supporting said hyperbole don't hold up.

1.  They are but examples.  I never said they didn't count.

2.  Yes, given the amount of commerce that is conducted with oral contracts yes.

3.  So now there is no more bargaining to be had between parties?  We are just going to fiat say these are the terms and you have no right to alter these terms?  So much for a free society.  Guess I can't pay the neighborhood kid to mow my lawn tomorrow because we don't have a standardized implied contract for him to mow it tomorrow, after two, but no later than four pm.

4.  An absurdity is calling for the end of oral contracts.  Do you even understand what a contract is?

5.  Yes sometimes it is best to have a written contract.

6.  It's not hyperbole.  You only think it is hyperbole because you have zero concept of how much our everyday life are governed by oral contracts.


1. Great, use big examples instead of just small ones.

2. Go on...

3. Wtf are you talking about? Every heard of templates?

4. I have expressly stated twice that I am not calling for this. Are you accusing me of this or just deflecting with a strawman?

5. Agreed. Why are you telking this to me? Are you confusing me with another poster?

6. Enlighten me. Thus far your examples would add less than a minute to the transactions in question. Even your lawnmowing example is a quick fix and even quicker as people adjust to the hypothetical change.


It seems like your goal here is to do the following:
A. Create strawmen.
B. Ignore arguments against your claims.
C. Tell people they know nothing and therefore you are automatically right. But of course despite having tons of time to do these things you cannot be arsed to support anything you say.

I am all for wasting my time on fark, but that kind of behavior puzzles me. To each their own I guess.
 
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