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2014-04-25 12:19:46 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-25 12:47:12 PM  
I want the names and addresses of everyone in the focus group responsible for the My Little Pony/Brony craze.

I have a few extra grenades I'd like to fedex them.
 
2014-04-25 12:51:01 PM  
Focus groups water the product down to make the shows acceptable to everyone but result in a meh blandness that doesnt make the show mandatory watching for either the foaming at the mouth fanboy or the casual viewer.
 
2014-04-25 12:52:50 PM  
I caught the show on Netflix.  I'm usually not a fan of Green Lantern, or kids' cartoon level CGI, but since Bruce Timm was involved, I gave it a shot.

I rather enjoyed it, especially since it didn't rehash "Green Lantern vs. Sinestro" for the 80th time, and brought in the Red Lantern Corps, The Guardians of Oa,  The Manhunters, The Anti-Monitor, the Star Sapphire Corps, etc.  My only beef with the show was that they basically had two female voice actresses for the entire show, including Jennifer Hale (the femShep from Mass Effect) as Carol Ferris.

Maybe it's because I've played too much Mass Effect, but it's hard for me to NOT notice her voice, especially when she's voicing multiple women per episode, and it's really distracting when she has two of her characters talking to each other.
 
2014-04-25 01:03:18 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Focus groups water the product down to make the shows acceptable to everyone but result in a meh blandness that doesnt make the show mandatory watching for either the foaming at the mouth fanboy or the casual viewer.


I was going to say something similar.

Does that fact that focus groups usually expand the focus to the point where things are unrecognizable constitute an irony?
 
2014-04-25 01:24:25 PM  

Diogenes: NuttierThanEver: Focus groups water the product down to make the shows acceptable to everyone but result in a meh blandness that doesnt make the show mandatory watching for either the foaming at the mouth fanboy or the casual viewer.

I was going to say something similar.

Does that fact that focus groups usually expand the focus to the point where things are unrecognizable constitute an irony?


Relevant.

// focus groups suck unless you run them as rigorous statistical studies (which I'm guessing no one does)
// it's the "busy work" of ad-men and marketeers
 
2014-04-25 01:29:56 PM  
Focus Groups are great, when run correctly and when used correctly.  You can't use a focus group to be the be all/end all in determining what to do.  But they can be a great tool to help you make a decision.  We've got 3 different marketing campaigns, which one do we go with?  Put together a couple focus groups and see what the feedback is.  Got a new TV series, show the pilot to focus group or two, and look at the feedback to see what *might* need to be changed for the series roll out.

A) Be there and watch the reactions of the people and listen in on the discussions.  That way you know if the results the moderators provide you came there naturally, or were lead there, or are just figments of the moderators imagination.  (At least until you get familiar with the person operating the focus group, and their quirks/prejudices)

B) The focus group isn't there to tell you what to do.  They're there to highlights things, so you can take another look at them and evaluate if you made the right decision or not.  "Focus group says everyone hates Joffrey, you should make him more likeable."  That doesn't mean make Joffrey more likeable, it just says "Is Joffrey being unlikeable what we were going for?"  "Should we modify Joffrey at all, or are we achieving what we set out for."
 
2014-04-25 01:36:44 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Diogenes: NuttierThanEver: Focus groups water the product down to make the shows acceptable to everyone but result in a meh blandness that doesnt make the show mandatory watching for either the foaming at the mouth fanboy or the casual viewer.

I was going to say something similar.

Does that fact that focus groups usually expand the focus to the point where things are unrecognizable constitute an irony?

Relevant.

// focus groups suck unless you run them as rigorous statistical studies (which I'm guessing no one does)
// it's the "busy work" of ad-men and marketeers


Hehe.  I should make that my new career.

Chiefly because we're making really stupid and expensive decisions that are pissing off the employees in my company based on a poor reading of poorly analyzed customer experience surveys that are poorly designed.
 
2014-04-25 01:38:40 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Focus Groups are great, when run correctly and when used correctly.  You can't use a focus group to be the be all/end all in determining what to do.  But they can be a great tool to help you make a decision.  We've got 3 different marketing campaigns, which one do we go with?  Put together a couple focus groups and see what the feedback is.  Got a new TV series, show the pilot to focus group or two, and look at the feedback to see what *might* need to be changed for the series roll out.

A) Be there and watch the reactions of the people and listen in on the discussions.  That way you know if the results the moderators provide you came there naturally, or were lead there, or are just figments of the moderators imagination.  (At least until you get familiar with the person operating the focus group, and their quirks/prejudices)

B) The focus group isn't there to tell you what to do.  They're there to highlights things, so you can take another look at them and evaluate if you made the right decision or not.  "Focus group says everyone hates Joffrey, you should make him more likeable."  That doesn't mean make Joffrey more likeable, it just says "Is Joffrey being unlikeable what we were going for?"  "Should we modify Joffrey at all, or are we achieving what we set out for."


Does the audience want Joffrey slapped repeatedly or do they want Joffrey slapped excessively?

www.teampwnicorn.com
 
2014-04-25 01:56:28 PM  
You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.

Hopefully CN figures out that tie-in toy lines are not the only measure of success for a show.
 
2014-04-25 01:57:49 PM  
I tell you what gets your favorite cartoon shows get canceled.

Too much Bandit, not enough light-bulb eating, invisible energy monsters.

Either that or making too much fun of the POTUS, the Pentagon, the CIA and pretty much everything else in the federal government.

/Pinky Finger FTW!
 
2014-04-25 01:58:07 PM  

hstein3: You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.

Hopefully CN figures out that tie-in toy lines are not the only measure of success for a show.


What?! THAT'S THE SWEETEST PLUM
 
2014-04-25 01:58:24 PM  
NuttierThanEver:

Does the audience want Joffrey slapped repeatedly or do they want Joffrey slapped excessively?

[www.teampwnicorn.com image 500x281]


Yes
 
2014-04-25 02:00:52 PM  
FWIW, I agree that Batman TAS character designs are too cartoonish. Always felt that way. Also hated the joker when they started drawing him like an anamaniac.
 
2014-04-25 02:16:59 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I tell you what gets your favorite cartoon shows get canceled.

Too much Bandit, not enough light-bulb eating, invisible energy monsters.

Either that or making too much fun of the POTUS, the Pentagon, the CIA and pretty much everything else in the federal government.

/Pinky Finger FTW!


are you high?
 
2014-04-25 02:17:33 PM  
This saddens me. I enjoyed the show. They touch on some genuinely difficult issues, and any show that encourages kids(especially boys) to some sense of emotional awareness is always a plus in my book.
 
2014-04-25 02:18:08 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: NuttierThanEver:

Does the audience want Joffrey slapped repeatedly or do they want Joffrey slapped excessively?

[www.teampwnicorn.com image 500x281]

Yes


Talk about beating a dead horse lion...
 
2014-04-25 02:20:16 PM  

hstein3: You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.

Hopefully CN figures out that tie-in toy lines are not the only measure of success for a show.


It's an ad for a product (action figures and other toys sold separately).  If the ads aren't selling the toys, why make/show them?  The fact that other people like to watch your commercials isn't going to pay the cable time/animators.

/remembers kids' TV shows that weren't all ads
//remembers TV shows that weren't all ads
///old
 
2014-04-25 02:20:34 PM  

hstein3: You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.

Hopefully CN figures out that tie-in toy lines are not the only measure of success for a show.


Of course they're the only measure of success for a show.  That's where the money is.  You think they're trying to make ART or something?
 
2014-04-25 02:26:46 PM  

hstein3: You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.

Hopefully CN figures out that tie-in toy lines are not the only measure of success for a show.


They seem to see it that way with Adventure Time and Regular Show. Alot of their timeslots through out the day includes either show, which is nice as the shows are good.

I would like to see the focus group for AT's season 6 premiere and what they changed if anything. Holy crap that was a dark episode.
 
2014-04-25 02:28:43 PM  
In before Tron: Uprising.
 
2014-04-25 02:33:02 PM  

NeverDrunk23: hstein3: You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.

Hopefully CN figures out that tie-in toy lines are not the only measure of success for a show.

They seem to see it that way with Adventure Time and Regular Show. Alot of their timeslots through out the day includes either show, which is nice as the shows are good.

I would like to see the focus group for AT's season 6 premiere and what they changed if anything. Holy crap that was a dark episode.



I love Bob's Burgers on Fox.

Fascinating fact:  It's really hard to find merch for that show.
 
2014-04-25 02:37:05 PM  
After watching cartoons as a kid, horror and violence as a teenager and science fiction in my 20's I found anime in my 30's and looks back to how primitive cartoons are.  From the article, it is because cartoons are written for preteens.  At least anime takes a little consideration that adults watch it.
 
2014-04-25 02:41:59 PM  
I still hold a grudge against Cartoon Network for canceling Young Justice. In many ways it exceeded Justice League in quality, particularly with the narrative complexity and nuanced character arcs. I've been rewatching it on Netflix and I'm spotting tons of foreshadowing and clues the show dropped. You miss them the first time, but when you know what you're looking for, it's very sophisticated story-telling. The show knew where it wanted to go and had a plan.

One of my favorite episodes is the one that followed the "it was all just a dream" episode, which in this case was a training simulation that went awry. I loved how the following episode explored the psychological impact of that event, the first time I've ever seen a show justify one of those "dream" episodes by showing its larger impact on the cast.

And don't even get me started on the second, even superior season.
 
2014-04-25 02:43:17 PM  
Reason why an idea/business/show fails in today's world:

1. Business models
2. Focus groups
3. Overeliance by CEOs/department heads on both
 
2014-04-25 02:45:49 PM  

gopher321: I want the names and addresses of everyone in the focus group responsible for the My Little Pony/Brony craze.

I have a few extra grenades I'd like to fedex them.


To be fair, they actually failed as well since they never thought MLP would get as popular as it did with people other than the target groups.

Square peg into a round hole that's 3 feet wide and such.
 
2014-04-25 02:46:00 PM  

rev. dave: After watching cartoons as a kid, horror and violence as a teenager and science fiction in my 20's I found anime in my 30's and looks back to how primitive cartoons are.  From the article, it is because cartoons are written for preteens.  At least anime takes a little consideration that adults watch it.


Only anime written for adults, because crap like Shaman King or Yugioh are for kids. Even not-crap like One Piece is kiddy/teen fare.
 
2014-04-25 02:48:12 PM  

rev. dave: After watching cartoons as a kid, horror and violence as a teenager and science fiction in my 20's I found anime in my 30's and looks back to how primitive cartoons are.  From the article, it is because cartoons are written for preteens.  At least anime takes a little consideration that adults watch it.


Anime has a very broad spectrum when it comes to the seriousness of it's content. There are a handful of western cartoons that do as well, but not nearly enough. Just going off this article, Young Justice was surprisingly dark and mature for a kids show and I loved it. I was hoping Adult Swim would have the brains to pick up the cartoons that werecanceled because too many adults were watching them, but I don't see that happening.

Adult Swim has produced some of my favorite animated content, but they do seem to be a little lost. Long story short, I would kill for more Venture Bros.
 
2014-04-25 02:48:13 PM  
I just didn't like the animation style. I liked it in Reboot, though. So maybe it was something else.
 
2014-04-25 02:48:25 PM  

Diogenes: Dr Dreidel: Diogenes: NuttierThanEver: Focus groups water the product down to make the shows acceptable to everyone but result in a meh blandness that doesnt make the show mandatory watching for either the foaming at the mouth fanboy or the casual viewer.

I was going to say something similar.

Does that fact that focus groups usually expand the focus to the point where things are unrecognizable constitute an irony?

Relevant.

// focus groups suck unless you run them as rigorous statistical studies (which I'm guessing no one does)
// it's the "busy work" of ad-men and marketeers

Hehe.  I should make that my new career.

Chiefly because we're making really stupid and expensive decisions that are pissing off the employees in my company based on a poor reading of poorly analyzed customer experience surveys that are poorly designed.


I'm sorry but over-reliance on statistics in general are a major factor why certain items fail IMHO.
 
2014-04-25 02:49:26 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Focus Groups are great, when run correctly and when used correctly.  You can't use a focus group to be the be all/end all in determining what to do.  But they can be a great tool to help you make a decision.  We've got 3 different marketing campaigns, which one do we go with?  Put together a couple focus groups and see what the feedback is.  Got a new TV series, show the pilot to focus group or two, and look at the feedback to see what *might* need to be changed for the series roll out.

A) Be there and watch the reactions of the people and listen in on the discussions.  That way you know if the results the moderators provide you came there naturally, or were lead there, or are just figments of the moderators imagination.  (At least until you get familiar with the person operating the focus group, and their quirks/prejudices)

B) The focus group isn't there to tell you what to do.  They're there to highlights things, so you can take another look at them and evaluate if you made the right decision or not.  "Focus group says everyone hates Joffrey, you should make him more likeable."  That doesn't mean make Joffrey more likeable, it just says "Is Joffrey being unlikeable what we were going for?"  "Should we modify Joffrey at all, or are we achieving what we set out for."


All of this.
 
2014-04-25 02:51:45 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: /remembers kids' TV shows that weren't all ads
//remembers TV shows that weren't all ads
///old


Out of curiosity, how old (ballpark) are you? I was born in 1981, and I distinctly remember being told (though not understanding) that all my shows were toy ads. Working backwards a bit, did Saturday Morning Cartoons not sell buttloads of merch - Spiderman/Avengers/Superman/Batman toys, Roy Rogers ("cowboy) costumes and cap guns, etc? If not them, certainly Howdy Doody was mostly about selling that doll, no?

// I could also say "Star Wars" stuff, but - a) not a kids' show, and b) the merch took off in '79/the early 80s (post-Empire), no?
 
2014-04-25 02:59:34 PM  

hstein3: You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.

Hopefully CN figures out that tie-in toy lines are not the only measure of success for a show.


For a number of reasons, each successive season of an animated show that starts out now will almost definitely cost more than the one that preceded it. Even if a series finds a significant devoted core audience, unless there is consistent expansion of viewership the network bean counters only see steadily increasing costs with flatlining advertising revenues when deciding to renew for a new season. Merch is one way to make up that increase in costs and in the case of Cartoon Network, as evidenced by the recent Kevin Smith-Paul Dini interview (which excellently complements this strip), it seems to be exclusively limited to merch aimed at boys in the 6-12 demographic. The real problem as I see it isn't that shows need toys to live beyond a season or two but that on Cartoon Network they require specific kinds of toys aimed at a specific group of people regardless of who actually watches and enjoys the show.
 
2014-04-25 03:01:02 PM  

Dr Dreidel: yet_another_wumpus: /remembers kids' TV shows that weren't all ads
//remembers TV shows that weren't all ads
///old

Out of curiosity, how old (ballpark) are you? I was born in 1981, and I distinctly remember being told (though not understanding) that all my shows were toy ads. Working backwards a bit, did Saturday Morning Cartoons not sell buttloads of merch - Spiderman/Avengers/Superman/Batman toys, Roy Rogers ("cowboy) costumes and cap guns, etc? If not them, certainly Howdy Doody was mostly about selling that doll, no?

// I could also say "Star Wars" stuff, but - a) not a kids' show, and b) the merch took off in '79/the early 80s (post-Empire), no?


Though personally the shows like Yu-Gi-Oh seem overly contrived to sell cards. I didn't let me kid watch it back when it was popular.
 
2014-04-25 03:02:06 PM  

exPFCWintergreen: hstein3: You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.

Hopefully CN figures out that tie-in toy lines are not the only measure of success for a show.

For a number of reasons, each successive season of an animated show that starts out now will almost definitely cost more than the one that preceded it. Even if a series finds a significant devoted core audience, unless there is consistent expansion of viewership the network bean counters only see steadily increasing costs with flatlining advertising revenues when deciding to renew for a new season. Merch is one way to make up that increase in costs and in the case of Cartoon Network, as evidenced by the recent Kevin Smith-Paul Dini interview (which excellently complements this strip), it seems to be exclusively limited to merch aimed at boys in the 6-12 demographic. The real problem as I see it isn't that shows need toys to live beyond a season or two but that on Cartoon Network they require specific kinds of toys aimed at a specific group of people regardless of who actually watches and enjoys the show.


it sounds to me like the beancounters play craps with shows like YJ instead of just enjoying the eyeballs they get with shows like YJ
 
2014-04-25 03:06:40 PM  

Dr Dreidel: yet_another_wumpus: /remembers kids' TV shows that weren't all ads
//remembers TV shows that weren't all ads
///old

Out of curiosity, how old (ballpark) are you? I was born in 1981, and I distinctly remember being told (though not understanding) that all my shows were toy ads. Working backwards a bit, did Saturday Morning Cartoons not sell buttloads of merch - Spiderman/Avengers/Superman/Batman toys, Roy Rogers ("cowboy) costumes and cap guns, etc? If not them, certainly Howdy Doody was mostly about selling that doll, no?

// I could also say "Star Wars" stuff, but - a) not a kids' show, and b) the merch took off in '79/the early 80s (post-Empire), no?



I go back even further (born in '69) and I can't recall a kid's entertainment show (contrasting with educational stuff that was on PBS) produced in my lifetime that didn't try to sell me something. In fact a little research seems to indicate that parental groups have been vocal about commercialism in children's programming since the late 60's. I think you have to go all the way back to something like Rocky and Bullwinkle to find a program that was created first and foremost to entertain and not to sell merchandise
 
2014-04-25 03:08:50 PM  
Focus groups consist of people too dumb to get out of focus groups ... or was that jury duty?
 
2014-04-25 03:11:29 PM  

Snapper Carr: Dr Dreidel: yet_another_wumpus: /remembers kids' TV shows that weren't all ads
//remembers TV shows that weren't all ads
///old

Out of curiosity, how old (ballpark) are you? I was born in 1981, and I distinctly remember being told (though not understanding) that all my shows were toy ads. Working backwards a bit, did Saturday Morning Cartoons not sell buttloads of merch - Spiderman/Avengers/Superman/Batman toys, Roy Rogers ("cowboy) costumes and cap guns, etc? If not them, certainly Howdy Doody was mostly about selling that doll, no?

// I could also say "Star Wars" stuff, but - a) not a kids' show, and b) the merch took off in '79/the early 80s (post-Empire), no?


I go back even further (born in '69) and I can't recall a kid's entertainment show (contrasting with educational stuff that was on PBS) produced in my lifetime that didn't try to sell me something. In fact a little research seems to indicate that parental groups have been vocal about commercialism in children's programming since the late 60's. I think you have to go all the way back to something like Rocky and Bullwinkle to find a program that was created first and foremost to entertain and not to sell merchandise


I listen to radio shows from the 40's and 50's and the ones meant for kids still had decoder rings or membership badges or other little do-dads they tried to sell to kids.
 
2014-04-25 03:11:43 PM  
Can someone bring back EXO Squad, please? That show was awesome as a kid, and rewatching the show as an adult I only had incredibly minor quibbles with it - mostly to do with how rushed and poor the final batch of episodes were. That's a cartoon that needs to make a comeback. Whatever the hell the reason that was cancelled was bullsh*t. Wouldn't surprise me if some network bobblehead decided it was too serious for kids and got it sh*tcanned. That show, incidentally, got me interested in Dante's Divine Comedy because of the "abandon all hope" reference in one of the episodes. No other cartoon, short of Animaniacs, got me, as a kid, interested in serious topics (Looney Tunes got me interested in classical music and opera, though).
 
2014-04-25 03:15:46 PM  
I was part of at least 2 focus groups for several possible commercials and an upcoming sitcom and a drama. I tried to be as honest as possible, while other members of the group based their comments mostly on how close they were to getting refreshments during that round.
//I found out if you want a show on television, make sure that the trailers for it are shown just after a food break.
 
2014-04-25 03:17:25 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-25 03:18:15 PM  
Good lord, Fark scaling.  Is that supposed to be an image for ants?

http://i.imgur.com/WaUbb.jpg

there, link instead.
 
2014-04-25 03:19:09 PM  
Sgt Otter: [Jennifer Hale] it's really distracting when she has two of her characters talking to each other.

Distracting you say? I don't think I would be distracted. I'd be very...intent. Um, I need to go do...something...for a few minutes, BRB.
 
2014-04-25 03:24:57 PM  
Rwa2play: it sounds to me like the beancounters play craps with shows like YJ instead of just enjoying the eyeballs they get with shows like YJ

Or they are just too unwilling to change their marketing strategy. Oops, the show is popular with girls and not selling action figures? Sell larger figures with changeable clothes. Sell Playmobil/Imaginext-style figures. Sell a crapload of tie-in kids books and LEGO sets that appeal to both sides.  Having anything comic-related appeal to girls is a farking goldmine. Girls watching Young Justice this year will gladly watch a theatrical film in five years. Hook them now, cash in later.

The entertainment and toy industries are just dead set on restricting themselves. It's so much easier to self-destruct than to accept the old categories of "boy toys" and "girl toys" may no longer be completely separated.
 
2014-04-25 03:26:19 PM  

soporific: I still hold a grudge against Cartoon Network for canceling Young Justice. In many ways it exceeded Justice League in quality, particularly with the narrative complexity and nuanced character arcs. I've been rewatching it on Netflix and I'm spotting tons of foreshadowing and clues the show dropped. You miss them the first time, but when you know what you're looking for, it's very sophisticated story-telling. The show knew where it wanted to go and had a plan.

One of my favorite episodes is the one that followed the "it was all just a dream" episode, which in this case was a training simulation that went awry. I loved how the following episode explored the psychological impact of that event, the first time I've ever seen a show justify one of those "dream" episodes by showing its larger impact on the cast.

And don't even get me started on the second, even superior season.


I was surprised that they gave Superboy so many rage issues and Daddy issues with Superman, but it is damn interesting to watch.  I was impressed with the voice actress who does Miss Martian, and it turned out to be Winnie from "The Wonder Years."  Also, Bruce Greenwood as Batman and Miguel Ferrer as Vandal Savage are pretty awesome.

Not sure how I feel about Brent Spiner's Joker, though.
 
2014-04-25 03:26:34 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-25 03:28:55 PM  
You know, I never actually watched Green Lantern, for fairly shallow reasons (I really haven't liked the look of any of the recent CGI-animated TV shows).  I may have to go back and give it a chance.
 
2014-04-25 03:29:39 PM  
Really?  No one?  Okay.

www.hwdyk.com

Simpsons did it.
 
2014-04-25 03:34:32 PM  
There's a similar effect in creative writing classes where you round-robin critique.  It's just the way groups work.

Even when there is consensus about like or dislike, there is lots of random feedback, most of which isn't valuable.  It's rare to get universal approval, to the point where it's not worth shooting for.  In fact most people will feel obliged to offer a comment of some kind in an effort to be constructive or just to prove that they paid attention.

It was pretty crappy to sit in one of these and watch this guy have a good story just get ripped to shreds, get rewritten, get ripped up again.  Timm's approach has merit.  Do what you think is good and let people respond to it.

Ultimately, the success is not whether people liked or disliked the story, but how many people read it.  And that's not just a marketplace analysis.  If the story, the show, the painting continues to engage people, inspire them, provoke them, interest them -- that's it.  If it's no good, people will eventually ignore it and move on.
 
2014-04-25 03:36:04 PM  

hstein3: You can see the mindset of CN that led to this being cancelled: Their focus group was only children in the 6-11 bracket, with an emphasis on the boys. This, and Young Justice, are rumored to have been cancelled because they were too popular with girls and weren't selling enough action figures.


Moreover, the audience was getting exactly what the show's creators wanted them to get. However, the CN execudroids did NOT want the audience to get those things. The people who run "CN" hate cartoons, just like the shiat-suckers at "Syfy" hate science fiction.
 
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