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(The New Republic)   Yes, there's a mathematical formula for how many days you have to smoke e-cigarettes before you save money over tobacco. No, it won't tell you how much money it takes to compensate for how lame you'll look   (newrepublic.com) divider line 289
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2014-04-25 10:59:09 AM
Is there a formula to say how much longer you will live without serious diseases destroying your body, no matter how daft some people may think you look as you battle to give up something so lethally addictive?
 
2014-04-25 11:03:19 AM

colinspooky: Is there a formula to say how much longer you will live without serious diseases destroying your body, no matter how daft some people may think you look as you battle to give up something so lethally addictive?


As someone that has halved his smoking thanks to vaping, I heartily concur with this.  I don't give a shiat if it looks stupid.  I no longer have a chronic smokers cough.
 
2014-04-25 11:11:24 AM
The numbers the article uses are also pretty conservative.  The average smoker likely smokes quite a bit more than 12 cigarettes a day (pack a day and two pack a day are pretty common) and buying refillable e-cig kits and bulk juice is cheaper than buying pre-filled carts.
 
2014-04-25 11:27:39 AM

colinspooky: Is there a formula to say how much longer you will live without serious diseases destroying your body, no matter how daft some people may think you look as you battle to give up something so lethally addictive?


This.  My FIL would probably be a lot closer to death, or at least a lot less healthy if he was still smoking 24 Marlboro's a day rather than puffing on his e-cig.  My MIL says you could tell a difference in his breathing inside of a week, and, after 2 years of it, I'm still trying to get over being able to walk into their house and smell clean air.
 
2014-04-25 11:48:23 AM
They sell disposable ones around here that cost less than a pack of cigarettes and lasted me about a week.  I was a pack a day smoker at the time.

I quit all that shiat though and wisely invested my savings in drinking.
 
2014-04-25 11:56:40 AM
As a non-smoker, I don't think people with an e-cigarette look lame. I applaud their effort to stop smoking.

I don't think it's about saving money for most people.
 
2014-04-25 11:57:43 AM
Who the fark switches over to e-cigarettes just for the cost savings? Nobody.
 
2014-04-25 11:58:27 AM
What's the chance that e-cigs are actually safe?  I'm thinking kind of low.

I smoked 20 years and quit 2 years ago.  I did not use e-cigs because I dont' trust they are safe.
 
2014-04-25 11:58:43 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: As a non-smoker, I don't think people with an e-cigarette look lame. I applaud their effort to stop smoking.

I don't think it's about saving money for most people.


as an ex smoker I agree.
It's a biatch to quit, so trying anything is better then saying 'fk it why bother'

I'm not sure about the saving money thing, but at least they are trying to get healthier
 
2014-04-25 11:59:10 AM

TuteTibiImperes: The numbers the article uses are also pretty conservative.  The average smoker likely smokes quite a bit more than 12 cigarettes a day (pack a day and two pack a day are pretty common) and buying refillable e-cig kits and bulk juice is cheaper than buying pre-filled carts.


This. Especially since it usually gets to the point that doctors will usually measure smoking by "pack per day" units (with a pack being 20 cigarettes). It's not uncommon to see elderly patients who have smoked 100 or even 150 "pack years" (that's 150 years worth of smoking if he smoked an average of a pack a day).

It's mind-boggling to me just how one can even find the time to smoke all those cigarettes but those people definitely exist.
 
2014-04-25 11:59:20 AM
Well at least you won't smell bad. I'd rather look bad than smell bad.
 
2014-04-25 11:59:44 AM
I'm going to start smoking an e-pipe.
 
2014-04-25 11:59:46 AM
Vaping looks lame but smoking looks more lame.
 
2014-04-25 11:59:54 AM
So it was around fifty days or so till you save money, that is less than 2 months. Was subby trying to criticize e-cig users, I could not tell. Funny how subby spends time judging how others look.
 
2014-04-25 12:00:50 PM
6 dollars for a pack of name brand cigs? what year is this?
 
2014-04-25 12:01:05 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: It's mind-boggling to me just how one can even find the time to smoke all those cigarettes but those people definitely exist.


You ever seen people who literally light one smoke off the other?  I have for sure.  Myself I smoked about 25 to 35 smokes a day before I quit.  Packs contain 25 here in Canada.
 
2014-04-25 12:01:34 PM
I quit with the help of nicotine patches over a decade ago. The first month is a biatch and you really should start an exercise program to keep from putting on 20 pounds, but it's well worth it.

I've got to say that I think the forms of e-cigs where they add extra crap so that it looks like you're exhaling "smoke" are stupid.
 
2014-04-25 12:02:10 PM

Headso: 6 dollars for a pack of name brand cigs? what year is this?


2014
 
2014-04-25 12:02:19 PM
I don't know where the author got his numbers from. You can get starter kits with the rechargeable cig and two cartridges for around $15.
Refill cartridges cost about $10 for a two pack. Yes you can buy the $100 kits, but there are plenty of cheaper alternatives.
 
2014-04-25 12:02:23 PM
Known a couple of people who've quit altogether after starting e-cigs. Me, I can't stand them. It's like breathing air, and doesn't give you that rush a regular cig does. True, a hell of a lot more chemicals though. Pretty sure in the long run it'd be a lot lighter on your health premiums and health in general, which trumps whether it'd be cheaper or not.

I'd point out though that the commercials where they say you can now smoke in bars and restaurants with those things: bullshiat!
 
2014-04-25 12:03:10 PM

Lando Lincoln: Who the fark switches over to e-cigarettes just for the cost savings? Nobody.


Wrong!
 
2014-04-25 12:03:57 PM

Red_Fox: What's the chance that e-cigs are actually safe?  I'm thinking kind of low.

I smoked 20 years and quit 2 years ago.  I did not use e-cigs because I dont' trust they are safe.


I'm thinking much much higher than cigarettes, but lower than not vaporizing nicotine / propylene glycol and inhaling it.
 
2014-04-25 12:05:02 PM
the_vegetarian_cannibal:
It's mind-boggling to me just how one can even find the time to smoke all those cigarettes but those people definitely exist.

Back in the day you could smoke everywhere. When the elderly were young you could smoke at work, airplanes, restaurants, malls etc......

Then they retired and smoked at home.

Really not that mind boggling. As an ex-smoker who remembers smoking in many places where you can not smoke today it was really not that hard to get through 30 cigs a day
 
2014-04-25 12:05:43 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The numbers the article uses are also pretty conservative.  The average smoker likely smokes quite a bit more than 12 cigarettes a day (pack a day and two pack a day are pretty common) and buying refillable e-cig kits and bulk juice is cheaper than buying pre-filled carts.


As a former pack-a-dayer, I concur.

Let's say I was buying my brand at $8 a pop (American Spirit organics).

Then I bought an EVic, spare tank, spare battery, and enough juice and atomizers to last two months for $200.

In one month, I've already beaten the cost of my smoking habit, which was $240/mo, and I've still got enough to go on for another month. Oh yeah, and I'm not continuing to push toward a painful early death. Granted, it's not as healthy as not vaping or smoking, but it's a hell of an improvement and I don't smell like an ashtray anymore.

If more tobacco companies were smart, they'd jump on the vaping bandwagon like Lorrilard did.
 
2014-04-25 12:06:32 PM

Lando Lincoln: Red_Fox: What's the chance that e-cigs are actually safe?  I'm thinking kind of low.

I'm thinking much much higher than cigarettes, but lower than not vaporizing nicotine / propylene glycol and inhaling it.


Maybe, but do you think they have any tests where people have used these things for 20 years and seen the effects yet?  I kinda doubt it.  We all know cigarette companies said their products were healthy and safe for like 50 years +.
 
2014-04-25 12:06:46 PM
I save money by making my own vapour out of ammonia, chlorine bleach, and liquid smoke.
 
2014-04-25 12:06:49 PM

chitownmike: Lando Lincoln: Who the fark switches over to e-cigarettes just for the cost savings? Nobody.

Wrong!


Bullshiat. "I really prefer that my clothes smell awful and my teeth get stained and I may die from the carcinogenic effects of tobacco, but...e-cigs are cheaper in the long run, so...I I guess I'll go with those."
 
2014-04-25 12:06:51 PM
Is smoking still cool these days? Are the kids smoking or too caught up in texting on their gadgets to have a free hand?
 
2014-04-25 12:07:36 PM
So this chart is if you use the solid-gold vaporizer body and buy your cartridges from Sharper Image?

E-cigarettes can be had pretty cheap... my wife used these, and it helped her break the cycle. She doesn't even do the e-cigs anymore, but if she feels the psychological need, she prefers the e-cig as an option.

Realistically, you will be running cheaper on e-cigs within the week after an initial outlay.

This article seems like subtle FUD from the tobacco industry (and the pharmaceuticals with their patch market) which has been spinning like a tasmanian devil in desperation against e-cigarettes.

Let's talk common sense:  "smoke" from e-cigarettes has no odor, and no secondary health effects, so e-cigarette smokers do not need to be marginalized the same as regular cigarette smokers.
 
2014-04-25 12:08:01 PM
If you can't figure out the math on your own please go back to high school.

/or even elementary school
 
2014-04-25 12:08:18 PM

baconbeard: I'm going to start smoking an e-pipe.


You can take a puff of of my e-hookah
 
2014-04-25 12:08:25 PM
I was at about a pack a day last year.

I've had maybe a half a pack in four months.

I'd say the e-cigs are working.
 
2014-04-25 12:09:08 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The numbers the article uses are also pretty conservative.  The average smoker likely smokes quite a bit more than 12 cigarettes a day (pack a day and two pack a day are pretty common) and buying refillable e-cig kits and bulk juice is cheaper than buying pre-filled carts.

^This.

My starter kit, extra batteries, spare parts, and two of the larger (carton-equivalent) fluid bottles cost me about as much as two cartons of cigs (even at relatively low Kentucky cigarette prices).  And that's been a couple years back; at this point you can find much nicer kits than what I was using.

Do a little research and comparison shopping, don't settle for the cheap disposable junk, and you can break even for the first month and save quite a bit thereafter.
 
2014-04-25 12:10:20 PM
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2014-04-25 12:10:29 PM

Red_Fox: What's the chance that e-cigs are actually safe?  I'm thinking kind of low.

I smoked 20 years and quit 2 years ago.  I did not use e-cigs because I dont' trust they are safe.


While there's no way to know just how much, they are widely regarded - even by skeptical scientists - as being much safer.  More conclusive research is in progress, and regulation is forthcoming.
 
2014-04-25 12:10:41 PM
The cigarette smokers on my jobsite have to smoke in a portajohn. Possibly the most pathetic thing ever
 
2014-04-25 12:10:43 PM

Lando Lincoln: Who the fark switches over to e-cigarettes just for the cost savings? Nobody.


People in new york who dont want to pay $12 or more a pack?
 
2014-04-25 12:10:51 PM

Red_Fox: Lando Lincoln: Red_Fox: What's the chance that e-cigs are actually safe?  I'm thinking kind of low.

I'm thinking much much higher than cigarettes, but lower than not vaporizing nicotine / propylene glycol and inhaling it.

Maybe, but do you think they have any tests where people have used these things for 20 years and seen the effects yet?  I kinda doubt it.  We all know cigarette companies said their products were healthy and safe for like 50 years +.


Yes, it's absolutely imperative that e-cig companies divulge all of the ingredients in their products. Once they do that, then I think we'll see that there's not a whole lot to be concerned about, health-wise, compared to the awful health risks of tobacco.
 
2014-04-25 12:11:06 PM
Between this headline and the Netflix one, one more for terrible headline trifecta.
 
2014-04-25 12:11:19 PM
I tried the disposable e cig and liked it enough to buy the 70 dollar starter kit. Then 7 days later I quit. The e cig was gross long term but when I tried to smoke after using it that was also disgusting. So for 80 bucks total I quit and am grossed out by both. That was over a year ago. That 80 dollars has saved me at least a couple grand so far and that number grows every day.
 
2014-04-25 12:11:38 PM

unyon: colinspooky: Is there a formula to say how much longer you will live without serious diseases destroying your body, no matter how daft some people may think you look as you battle to give up something so lethally addictive?

As someone that has halved his smoking thanks to vaping, I heartily concur with this.  I don't give a shiat if it looks stupid.  I no longer have a chronic smokers cough.


Down to about 2 packs a week from a carton+ a week.  Fark these guys.

VAPE ON.

/have a nice little Pike, myself
 
2014-04-25 12:11:44 PM

kling_klang_bed: Known a couple of people who've quit altogether after starting e-cigs. Me, I can't stand them. It's like breathing air, and doesn't give you that rush a regular cig does. True, a hell of a lot more chemicals though. Pretty sure in the long run it'd be a lot lighter on your health premiums and health in general, which trumps whether it'd be cheaper or not.

I'd point out though that the commercials where they say you can now smoke in bars and restaurants with those things: bullshiat!


Depends on a lot of factors. More Propylyn Glycol will give a better "hit" sensation in the back of the throat, higher nicotine contents can meet/exceed cigarette smoke nicotine levels, and flavors... Well, that's the hard part. I like the Tribeca juice by Halo. Tastes enough like tobacco that the transition was easier.
 
2014-04-25 12:12:32 PM

baconbeard: I save money by making my own vapour out of ammonia, chlorine bleach, and liquid smoke.


I bet that's smooth.  You should market it to the kids before the government bans minors from e-cigs.
 
2014-04-25 12:12:33 PM

Lando Lincoln: chitownmike: Lando Lincoln: Who the fark switches over to e-cigarettes just for the cost savings? Nobody.

Wrong!

Bullshiat. "I really prefer that my clothes smell awful and my teeth get stained and I may die from the carcinogenic effects of tobacco, but...e-cigs are cheaper in the long run, so...I I guess I'll go with those."


Nope. I've met several people who have cited cost savings as a reason they switched.

It's also gotten kind of popular to buy pipe tobacco and pre-made cigarette tubes. The stores have little machines that stuff the pipe tobacco into the tubes for you and presto, you get to avoid the extra taxes on cigarettes and just pay normal sales tax.
 
2014-04-25 12:12:51 PM

Red_Fox: What's the chance that e-cigs are actually safe?  I'm thinking kind of low.

I smoked 20 years and quit 2 years ago.  I did not use e-cigs because I dont' trust they are safe.


I have to believe that pretty much everything is safer than smoking cigarettes. That doesnt make vaping objectively 100% safe.

More research needs to come out before I believe the "it's so safe so dont criticize" whining that happens in these threads, but vapes are probably still worth the risk. What's too bad is that nicotine is so damned addictive that people just use the technology as a smoking replacement rather than using it as a tool to quit inhaling drugs altogether.
 
2014-04-25 12:12:56 PM

jtown: WhyNotNeither.jpg


Because they're addicted. Are you new to this planet?
 
2014-04-25 12:12:57 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't think it's about saving money for most people.


And ^^^^^^^


i didn't start vape to save money.  I started to save ME.
 
2014-04-25 12:13:09 PM

thecpt: The cigarette smokers on my jobsite have to smoke in a portajohn. Possibly the most pathetic thing ever


Internet high five to whoever came up with that policy.
 
2014-04-25 12:13:30 PM

Lando Lincoln: Yes, it's absolutely imperative that e-cig companies divulge all of the ingredients in their products. Once they do that, then I think we'll see that there's not a whole lot to be concerned about, health-wise, compared to the awful health risks of tobacco.


Maybe they are safer, that's probably true, and as long as they aren't allowed to smoke them in public places or in the office or movie theatre, restaurant, etc...exposing people like myself to an addictive substance from which I'm recovering.... I"m perfectly fine with that.
 
2014-04-25 12:13:32 PM

BullBearMS: Nope. I've met several people who have cited cost savings as a reason they switched.


ONE of the reasons. ONE of them.
 
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