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(Political Wire)   Do news reporters or politicians lie more often?   (politicalwire.com) divider line 127
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2014-04-25 08:09:43 AM
Is this a trick question?
 
2014-04-25 08:11:28 AM
Meh

Who cares if Chicagoland is being helped by city hall? They are probably getting some nice revenue for consulting, which Chicago really needs right about now
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-25 08:23:58 AM
It would be fairly difficult to make a documentary about a city without involving the city hall.
 
2014-04-25 08:29:51 AM
Oh, absolutely!
 
2014-04-25 08:33:26 AM
Yes
 
2014-04-25 08:33:44 AM
Yes
 
2014-04-25 08:34:31 AM
I assume the implied clause is "...than they used to?"
 
2014-04-25 08:36:36 AM
For the purposes of this question, are Fox News and CNN still considered to be journalistic? Because if not, that significantly changes the discussion.
 
2014-04-25 08:39:41 AM
Yep, definitely.
 
2014-04-25 08:40:38 AM

MmmmBacon: For the purposes of this question, are Fox News and CNN still considered to be journalistic? Because if not, that significantly changes the discussion.


Ok, I understand saying that about CNN, but Fox News? I don't think you can apply the word "still" there.
 
2014-04-25 08:43:13 AM
Reporters never lie. They pass on what others say. Figure it out.
 
2014-04-25 08:44:54 AM
More often than what?
 
2014-04-25 08:49:11 AM

Delta1212: MmmmBacon: For the purposes of this question, are Fox News and CNN still considered to be journalistic? Because if not, that significantly changes the discussion.

Ok, I understand saying that about CNN, but Fox News? I don't think you can apply the word "still" there.


Point taken.
 
2014-04-25 09:15:36 AM
Only sports reporters deserve to be killed.
 
2014-04-25 09:54:19 AM
what about news reporters who lie about politicians lies to make them sound worse than they really are.
 
2014-04-25 09:58:08 AM
Yes.
 
2014-04-25 09:59:00 AM
Normally, I would be the first in line to take a shot at Emanuel, but trying to make a scandal out of CNN working with the mayor's office on a documentary isn't scandalous - it's expected.  What is scandalous, though, is passing of Taegan Goodard's laziness as "reporting".
 
2014-04-25 09:59:48 AM
photo finishia

they'll decide upstairs, Lou
 
2014-04-25 10:01:06 AM

colinspooky: Reporters never lie. They pass on what others say. Figure Study it out.


FTFE
 
2014-04-25 10:01:18 AM
farkin' filter
 
2014-04-25 10:01:50 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-25 10:01:58 AM
or we talking cable news?

Then the answer is Yes
 
2014-04-25 10:02:15 AM
yes
 
2014-04-25 10:03:06 AM
Pols lie, which reporters report, which then becomes the lie.  Fark Lib Politics.  Study it out.
 
2014-04-25 10:03:42 AM

ArkAngel: Yes


Barfmaker: Yes


nekom: Yep, definitely.


probesport: Yes.


SmellsLikePoo: yes


yep.
 
2014-04-25 10:03:55 AM

colinspooky: Reporters never lie. They pass on what others say. Figure it out.


1) Not always *cough*breitbart*cough*
2) Too many idiots out there in the news business who don't understand what they're reporting on and thus can't give readers / listeners / viewers the full picture of what they're reporting on
 
Skr
2014-04-25 10:04:53 AM

Let us consult the... aww


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-25 10:06:13 AM
It's not just the large news organizations that outright lie. You'll find that local papers, stations, and the like are not exactly shy when it comes to that sort of thing.

/Kind of why I quit the business
 
2014-04-25 10:06:18 AM

AppleOptionEsc: ArkAngel: Yes

Barfmaker: Yes

nekom: Yep, definitely.

probesport: Yes.

SmellsLikePoo: yes

yep.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-25 10:06:40 AM

blatz514: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 617x434]


People who like the truth.
 
2014-04-25 10:10:10 AM

probesport: AppleOptionEsc: ArkAngel: Yes

Barfmaker: Yes

nekom: Yep, definitely.

probesport: Yes.

SmellsLikePoo: yes

yep.

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Days like this make me love this site.

/I tell you what
 
2014-04-25 10:11:06 AM

AppleOptionEsc: ArkAngel: Yes

Barfmaker: Yes

nekom: Yep, definitely.

probesport: Yes.

SmellsLikePoo: yes

yep.


mmhmm
 
2014-04-25 10:11:37 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Pols lie, which reporters report, which then becomes the lie.  Fark Lib Politics.  Study it out.


That's why you gotta unskew em.   Oh, oops.  The correct talking point in this case is "voter fraud".  Please return to the right-wing reality bubble for reconditioning.
 
2014-04-25 10:13:28 AM
Affirmative.
 
2014-04-25 10:14:06 AM

AppleOptionEsc: ArkAngel: Yes

Barfmaker: Yes

nekom: Yep, definitely.

probesport: Yes.

SmellsLikePoo: yes

yep.


:-(
 
2014-04-25 10:14:14 AM
Seems like a lot of people really don't get how bad it is in Chicago, and really don't want to since there is a (D) behind everyone's name.
 
2014-04-25 10:14:59 AM

Deep Contact: blatz514: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 617x434]

People who like the truth.


comeoncostanza.files.wordpress.com

Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.
 
2014-04-25 10:15:23 AM
I'm trying to think of a documentary film that manages to completely avoid some level of collusion with or against its subject and I'm drawing a complete blank.

I think Salesman might come closest.  It's probably my favorite.  It's a better version of Glengary Glen Ross but with real people, I often wonder if the movie influenced David Mamet's script.
 
2014-04-25 10:16:31 AM
Politicians, if the metric is originality.

News reporters, if the metric is selling those lies to the public in sheer volume.
 
2014-04-25 10:19:18 AM
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 "I do not use crack cocaine, nor am I an addict of crack cocaine. As for a video, I cannot comment on a video that I have never seen or does not exist"
 
2014-04-25 10:19:45 AM
The difference is one of intent. Politicians lie because they want you to specifically believe one thing as opposed to another. Contrary to popular snark, politicians aren't constantly lying, because you often already believe what they'd like you to believe.

"Reporters," such as they are today*, aren't so much liars as fabulists. They show up, take a glance at the general gist of things, and proceed to give a 45-second standup on something they've spent 40 seconds researching. Or, to take an example from print journalism that actually happened to me recently, they type up the story as they're interviewing you. (Seriously. Dude was actually writing the story itself while I was answering his questions. I could see the screen--these were not notes on what I was saying.)

So the reporters' "lies" are mostly lies of omission, or casual assumptions they're making about what probably must be going on, with no particular intent to deceive. Well, with no intent to deceive other than the obvious lie of "I've thoroughly checked this story out and what I'm telling you represents a trustworthy summary of what you could reasonably expect to know about this."

* yes, yes, there are exceptions
 
2014-04-25 10:20:35 AM
One of my favorite quotes involving journalists and politicians:

"It is inexcusable for scientists to torture animals; let them make their experiments on journalists and politicians." -- Henrik Ibsen
 
2014-04-25 10:20:43 AM
Politicians have to lie in order to get you to vote for them.

Journalists have to lie in order to get you to watch their programs or read their stories.

So, it's your fault that they lie. You should feel bad.
 
2014-04-25 10:25:12 AM
always have, always will

both.
 
2014-04-25 10:25:34 AM
Can't it be both?
 
2014-04-25 10:31:30 AM

selena gomez has an anus: Do News Reporters or Politicians Republicans Lie More often?

Fixed that for you subby.  Please don't lump in Democrats with the lying swine.


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2014-04-25 10:32:07 AM
But what about reporters who lied about a politician's lies? How do you score that, Mr Smartypants Statistician?
 
2014-04-25 10:32:25 AM

selena gomez has an anus: Do News Reporters or Politicians Republicans Lie More often?

Fixed that for you subby.  Please don't lump in Democrats with the lying swine.


Ahhhh.  Look how dumb you are.
 
2014-04-25 10:34:32 AM

R.A.Danny: selena gomez has an anus: Do News Reporters or Politicians Republicans Lie More often?

Fixed that for you subby.  Please don't lump in Democrats with the lying swine.

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upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-25 10:34:42 AM

AppleOptionEsc: ArkAngel: Yes

Barfmaker: Yes

nekom: Yep, definitely.

probesport: Yes.

SmellsLikePoo: yes

yep.


img1.wikia.nocookie.net

Yup.
 
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