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(Politico)   "Obama and the myth of the strong leader" *reads article* Well I wasn't expecting that   (politico.com) divider line 124
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2014-04-25 07:25:30 AM  
That was an interesting read.
 
2014-04-25 07:33:29 AM  

Delta1212: That was an interesting read.


I think that's the nicest thing I've ever seen Politico say about Obama
 
2014-04-25 08:12:31 AM  
Yeah. A reactionary authoritarian isn't a strong leader. They're a scared one.
 
2014-04-25 08:17:43 AM  
Strength is not hardness. Sometimes being strong is resisting doing what you'd like to do in favor of doing the right thing.
 
2014-04-25 08:19:08 AM  
But there is a difference between being a strong leader and being a wise leader....
what is in America's best interest-is not strong leadership but enlightened leadership



Do you know who agrees with this

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2014-04-25 08:20:21 AM  
Goddammit, just when I start ignoring Politico links, they start pulling this shiat. Nuanced and well reasoned, and not clinging to a premise that's a caricature of the real world. Well played, well played.
 
2014-04-25 08:22:07 AM  
The problem with showing how strong you are, is that people know how strong you are.  They know there is a limit to that strength.  If you just let people guess, they will always overestimate and just decide not to find out.
 
2014-04-25 08:23:41 AM  
That was actually a well written article.  I'm curious to see what Fark's potato crew will have to say about it.
 
2014-04-25 08:23:48 AM  
OK, fair enough.

They could have basically just said "'Strong Man' is not a complimentary term for a nominally elected leader for a reason, dumbasses", but maybe this guy is paid by the word.  The poorly formatted, arbitrarily hard-coded to a gigantic font size in violation of every known principle of website design word.
 
2014-04-25 08:27:37 AM  

Jim_Callahan: OK, fair enough.

They could have basically just said "'Strong Man' is not a complimentary term for a nominally elected leader for a reason, dumbasses", but maybe this guy is paid by the word.  The poorly formatted, arbitrarily hard-coded to a gigantic font size in violation of every known principle of website design word.


He's from Oxford, that kind of higher education always causes brain damage. It's impolite to make fun of the handicapped, and this one's problems seem to be comparatively mild.
 
2014-04-25 08:29:08 AM  
In general, whenever there is a problem, always choose the option that is harder to do, because the easier thing is almost always wrong.
 
2014-04-25 08:30:02 AM  
Huh...someone actually noticing that world politics and leadership/strategy is a bit more complex then how you would resolve conflicts in athe sandbox in second grade.

This article should be FWD: FWD: FWD to every "news" site and journalist.
 
2014-04-25 08:30:35 AM  
But nuanced, thoughtful policy that leads to compromise and international peace don't translate well to election-year bumper stickers.
 
2014-04-25 08:31:25 AM  

hackalope: Goddammit, just when I start ignoring Politico links, they start pulling this shiat. Nuanced and well reasoned, and not clinging to a premise that's a caricature of the real world. Well played, well played.


I guess the remaining question is have they improved their journalism or did we just witness a one-off loose canon?
 
2014-04-25 08:34:24 AM  
We dodged a bullet when Romney got shown the door.
 
2014-04-25 08:37:16 AM  
An interesting and informative political article - who would have thought it possible.
 
2014-04-25 08:37:17 AM  

GoldSpider: But nuanced, thoughtful policy that leads to compromise and international peace don't translate well to election-year bumper stickers.


True. Read Mark Bowden's Guests of the Ayatollah and try to come up with a recent President other than Carter that would have been able to resist launching an invasion on Iran. Carter became a laughing stock and a caricature of the ultimate "weak leader". However, his handling of the situation probably saves thousands of lives.
 
2014-04-25 08:38:55 AM  

Teufelaffe: That was actually a well written article.  I'm curious to see what Fark's potato crew will have to say about it.


Something about an 'apology tour' is my guess
 
2014-04-25 08:38:57 AM  
I miss the strength our nation exhibited during the Bush Administration. Nobody back then thought the U.S. was weak, by God!
 
2014-04-25 08:39:38 AM  

hackalope: Goddammit, just when I start ignoring Politico links, they start pulling this shiat. Nuanced and well reasoned, and not clinging to a premise that's a caricature of the real world. Well played, well played.


I've been ignoring them for a while.. guess I'll click on this one.
 
2014-04-25 08:43:02 AM  

Alphax: I've been ignoring them for a while.. guess I'll click on this one.


Better not risk it.
 
2014-04-25 08:43:14 AM  

Teufelaffe: That was actually a well written article.  I'm curious to see what Fark's potato crew will have to say about it.


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"Hi guy, what's going on in this thread?"
 
2014-04-25 08:44:15 AM  

hackalope: Jim_Callahan: OK, fair enough.

They could have basically just said "'Strong Man' is not a complimentary term for a nominally elected leader for a reason, dumbasses", but maybe this guy is paid by the word.  The poorly formatted, arbitrarily hard-coded to a gigantic font size in violation of every known principle of website design word.

He's from Oxford, that kind of higher education always causes brain damage. It's impolite to make fun of the handicapped, and this one's problems seem to be comparatively mild.


HEY!

/Also from Oxford
//Too dumb to go to the university there though.
 
2014-04-25 08:44:16 AM  

kxs401: Strength is not hardness. Sometimes being strong is resisting doing what you'd like to do in favor of doing the right thing.


HugsAndPuppies: In general, whenever there is a problem, always choose the option that is harder to do, because the easier thing is almost always wrong.


Wisdom? In my Fark comments thread?

It's more likely than you think.
 
2014-04-25 08:44:58 AM  
How about that.. a published article by an intelligent and educated person.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-04-25 08:46:29 AM  
That was actually a decent read.
 
2014-04-25 08:47:01 AM  
This article actually has elements that have been floating around - especially the part about the lack of inclusion of Russia in the early 90's into some of the more basic western functions, which effect has continued to have an impact.  There is one part that bothers me about the current dilemna - that is, Russia, other than oil & gas, doesn't seem to have the kind of market penetration into other countries (beyond it's previous USSR components) that make economic globalization work well.  And by that, I mean that it's more difficult for countries with significant trade relationships to go to war with each other.  There's more emphasis on negotiation at that point (which actually makes what Kruschev and Kennedy negotiated for even more impressive). While they have a decent economy internal to itself, Russia doesn't seem to export that much to other countries (outside of former satellites), other than oil and gas....except arms. To that extent, does Russia have a really good working relationship with anyone other than those they supply with arms?  I would think there is little holding them back from aggression.

Countries that have an investment in market economies seem to me to look at war as a waste of time and effort, when making money is more enticing.
 
2014-04-25 08:47:49 AM  

Alphax: How about that.. a published article by an intelligent and educated person.


Fark has now been polluted and will never recover. How did this get by the mods?
 
2014-04-25 08:49:38 AM  
strong leadership is a meaningless buzzword, like socialist and hipster
 
2014-04-25 08:50:56 AM  
Does anyone seriously think it was a wise move to allow Egypt to go to shiat, Libya to turn into an Al Qaeda host country, facillitate the arming of Syrian militants that resulted in a civil war where we saw genocide, war crimes, and refugees by the bostload? Can someone please tell me how Obama exercised any wisdom in dealing with Russia with the reset.

All I see is a moron farking up and the emperor's hanger ons telling me I'm just not wise enough to see his regal outfit.
 
2014-04-25 08:51:40 AM  
 
2014-04-25 08:54:47 AM  

Mrbogey: Does anyone seriously think it was a wise move to allow Egypt to go to shiat, Libya to turn into an Al Qaeda host country, facillitate the arming of Syrian militants that resulted in a civil war where we saw genocide, war crimes, and refugees by the bostload?


Are you talking about the Bush doctrine? Before Obama took office this was supposed to be the goal.
 
2014-04-25 08:54:54 AM  
But Putin is SO dreamy!

And manly!
 
2014-04-25 08:55:34 AM  

Mrbogey: Does anyone seriously think it was a wise move to allow Egypt to go to shiat, Libya to turn into an Al Qaeda host country, facillitate the arming of Syrian militants that resulted in a civil war where we saw genocide, war crimes, and refugees by the bostload? Can someone please tell me how Obama exercised any wisdom in dealing with Russia with the reset.


Because involving ourselves in violent sectarian civil wars in the middle east has a history of positive results?
 
2014-04-25 08:58:46 AM  
Here's a success of Obama's global leadership:  Chemical Weapons Removal from Syria Nearly Complete.
 
2014-04-25 08:58:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: The poorly formatted, arbitrarily hard-coded to a gigantic font size in violation of every known principle of website design word.


I think they use that layout for the online version of the articles in their print magazine.  It actually kinda reminds me of the layout for The New Republic's website, don't know who copied whom.
 
2014-04-25 08:58:54 AM  
Two of the most important things anyone needs to realize when dealing with interpersonal problems is:

-Not everything is about you
-There are more important things than your pride and stature

I'd much rather have a "weak" president who doesn't force us into every international dispute or react with military force simply to save face.
 
2014-04-25 08:59:44 AM  

hackalope: Goddammit, just when I start ignoring Politico links, they start pulling this shiat. Nuanced and well reasoned, and not clinging to a premise that's a caricature of the real world. Well played, well played.


I'll click on Politico but won't guarantee a read.  While they have a high amount of crap, you can usually tell it's crap pretty easy and close the window or skim it enough to find a link to what they're blathering about.  They actually have good stuff like this often enough to check out.
 
2014-04-25 09:00:14 AM  

Mrbogey: Does anyone seriously think it was a wise move to allow Egypt to go to shiat, Libya to turn into an Al Qaeda host country, facillitate the arming of Syrian militants that resulted in a civil war where we saw genocide, war crimes, and refugees by the bostload? Can someone please tell me how Obama exercised any wisdom in dealing with Russia with the reset.


Because it's not our fuking business and what you want will bankrupt us and get a lot of our people killed.

We just recently mostly got out of Iraq, and you idiots want to go back to that?

WTF is wrong with you?
 
2014-04-25 09:00:17 AM  

Mrbogey: Does anyone seriously think it was a wise move to allow Egypt to go to shiat, Libya to turn into an Al Qaeda host country, facillitate the arming of Syrian militants that resulted in a civil war where we saw genocide, war crimes, and refugees by the bostload? Can someone please tell me how Obama exercised any wisdom in dealing with Russia with the reset.

All I see is a moron farking up and the emperor's hanger ons telling me I'm just not wise enough to see his regal outfit.


Maybe you should remove the Fox-tinted glasses and put your radio on an FM music station every once in a while.

That we're not currently involved in WW3 is how I know the president is handling a belligerent, hostile country with nuclear weapons appropriately.

But you sound as though you believe neoconservative hegemony is the only acceptable option. It's not.
 
2014-04-25 09:02:37 AM  

Epic Fap Session: But Putin is SO dreamy!

And manly!


-- Every self-hating gay man in America
 
2014-04-25 09:02:50 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: I'll click on Politico but won't guarantee a read.  While they have a high amount of crap, you can usually tell it's crap pretty easy and close the window or skim it enough to find a link to what they're blathering about.  They actually have good stuff like this often enough to check out.


That's not a very efficient system for categorizing sources that may occasionally challenge your worldview.
 
2014-04-25 09:03:25 AM  

Mrbogey: Does anyone seriously think it was a wise move to allow Egypt to go to shiat, Libya to turn into an Al Qaeda host country, facillitate the arming of Syrian militants that resulted in a civil war where we saw genocide, war crimes, and refugees by the bostload? Can someone please tell me how Obama exercised any wisdom in dealing with Russia with the reset.

All I see is a moron farking up and the emperor's hanger ons telling me I'm just not wise enough to see his regal outfit.


"allow" is an interesting choice of phrasing for dealing with another country's affairs.

I don't like to answer a question with a question, but I have two for you before I could consider responding: What do you think we should have done? What do you think the long-term results of doing it would have been?
 
2014-04-25 09:04:49 AM  

Mrbogey: POTATOE

 
2014-04-25 09:07:46 AM  

Bloody William: "allow" is an interesting choice of phrasing for dealing with another country's affairs.

I don't like to answer a question with a question, but I have two for you before I could consider responding: What do you think we should have done? What do you think the long-term results of doing it would have been?


I think/hope we've all been trolled.
 
2014-04-25 09:09:23 AM  

Bill the unknowing: And by that, I mean that it's more difficult for countries with significant trade relationships to go to war with each other


blogs.smithsonianmag.com
Has a small counterpoint to make
 
2014-04-25 09:13:50 AM  

Jackson Herring: strong leadership is a meaningless buzzword, like socialist and hipster


Oh, it means something alright. It's just that, like most of the newspeak you get from the people who use it, it doesn't mean what it literally should.

"Strong leadership" to people like McCain and the other kneejerk-nobama shriekers means being a bully. It means embracing American Exceptionalism and it means ignoring the history of those prior approaches to foreign policy that resulted in considerable blowback, reduced world stature and less cooperation from allies and marginal allies.

It's the "everything looks like a nail" approach to dealing with international conflict. Instead of just whacking everything with a hammer the instant he sees it, when a man like Obama stops to actually consider the problem and apply the proper tool he's criticized for being weak and drippy. Real men don't think, real men tear off their shirt and act!

It's management by bluster, ignorance and unrestrained threat and it's just another example of why almost everybody left in the GOP anymore is completely incapable of acting as an effective leader of this country in the modern age.
 
2014-04-25 09:16:40 AM  
I'm getting tired of this attitude that Russia's actions are actually our fault for expanding NATO.  While its true that Russia's actions this past year should not be surprising, its wrong to conclude that, therefore, we should never have made an alliance against an expansionist, dictatorial empire.

Obama is acting correctly in this crisis.  He is not overreacting like a "strong" leader and putting us in weak positions or fights we can't win.  Russia is a bullying power and it has to be dealt with, but carefully and deliberately, not shooting from the hip.
 
2014-04-25 09:18:37 AM  

skozlaw: Jackson Herring: strong leadership is a meaningless buzzword, like socialist and hipster

Oh, it means something alright. It's just that, like most of the newspeak you get from the people who use it, it doesn't mean what it literally should.

"Strong leadership" to people like McCain and the other kneejerk-nobama shriekers means being a bully. It means embracing American Exceptionalism and it means ignoring the history of those prior approaches to foreign policy that resulted in considerable blowback, reduced world stature and less cooperation from allies and marginal allies.

It's the "everything looks like a nail" approach to dealing with international conflict. Instead of just whacking everything with a hammer the instant he sees it, when a man like Obama stops to actually consider the problem and apply the proper tool he's criticized for being weak and drippy. Real men don't think, real men tear off their shirt and act!

It's management by bluster, ignorance and unrestrained threat and it's just another example of why almost everybody left in the GOP anymore is completely incapable of acting as an effective leader of this country in the modern age.


I'm reminded of Babylon 5's last season, when the Minbari Rangers dealt with a new criminal gang leader on the station.  'Here we have an archetype, the Strong Man, or Bully.  Basically a coward, forcing others to do his dirty work.'
 
2014-04-25 09:20:50 AM  

spongeboob: But there is a difference between being a strong leader and being a wise leader....
what is in America's best interest-is not strong leadership but enlightened leadership


Do you know who agrees with this

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"Why is it more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than a dozen at dinner?"
 
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