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2014-04-25 07:41:03 AM  
Betts really comes off like he'd rather not have to trouble himself with any workers peeons at all. What an asshole.  They are not an annoyance, they are how you make your money.  Are they replaceable? Largely, sure, but FFS they make you a shiatton of coin, have some measure of respect for that.
 
2014-04-25 08:16:24 AM  
I especially like the "oh yeah, we 'discovered' we're violating labour laws. We should do something about that.  'Discovered', my ass.
 
2014-04-25 09:01:21 AM  
At least he admitted it.
Paraphrased: "Yeah, we kinda f**ked up and made the company look bad. The media is going to sh*t all over us."
 
2014-04-25 09:17:22 AM  
And this is different from any other CEO caught red-handed, how?
 
2014-04-25 09:17:42 AM  
At least here in America the H1-B's take middle class jobs away.  But then the restaurants just hire illegals, so maybe we're still number 1 after all.
 
2014-04-25 09:18:09 AM  
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Another franchisee was worried about money he had just paid to Actyl, one of the international recruitment agencies McDonald's pays up to $2,000 for every worker they bring in.

 "

Maybe just pay actual Canadians $2000 more and they might look at you as a viable job option?  Just sayin.

Plus..

fark THIS shiat!  My kids cant even get hired at the local McDs and its almost impossible to understand the workers. Are they immigrants.. or foreign workers? no way to know
 
2014-04-25 09:19:35 AM  
At least they aren't taking jobs from Americans.
 
2014-04-25 09:20:52 AM  
I love the part about the franchise owners whining about how everything is going to collapse now that they can't pay a non competitive wage
 
2014-04-25 09:24:50 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: At least here in America the H1-B's take middle class jobs away.  But then the restaurants just hire illegals, so maybe we're still number 1 after all.


H1-Bs are a particular sore spot for me now days. I see too many smart people stuck in tech support roles as my company imports more Indians. I'd like to see us be much more protective of our workforce and eliminate most of the visas. That said the Indians I have been working with are super cool and I appreciate the cultural exchanges I have had from knowing them.
 
2014-04-25 09:31:07 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: At least here in America the H1-B's take middle class jobs away.  But then the restaurants just hire illegals, so maybe we're still number 1 after all.




Truth. I had a buddy once who was the store manager of a Burger King, and he told me all about how they would fake paperwork for the illegals etc so they could work there.
 
2014-04-25 09:31:45 AM  
I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.
 
2014-04-25 09:32:37 AM  

Headso: I love the part about the franchise owners whining about how everything is going to collapse now that they can't pay a non competitive wage


I must have missed that part FTA. How much did it say they were paying them under the normal wage?
 
2014-04-25 09:33:47 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.


Here in the States you would be called racist for that.
 
2014-04-25 09:35:33 AM  

Joe Blowme: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.

Here in the States you would be called racist for that.


Here too.
 
2014-04-25 09:36:12 AM  

Joe Blowme: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.

Here in the States you would be called racist for that.


Oh, I'm sure I would be called a racist here too, but from some other comments in this thread, I'm not alone in this.
 
2014-04-25 09:43:51 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Oh, I'm sure I would be called a racist here too, but from some other comments in this thread, I'm not alone in this.


Your kid can't find a job because McDonalds wants to hire an older person that can be treated poorly and will work harder at any hour for less money. Your kid probably has school and sports and possibly a girlfriend/boyfriend distracting him.
 
2014-04-25 09:48:18 AM  

Joe Blowme: Headso: I love the part about the franchise owners whining about how everything is going to collapse now that they can't pay a non competitive wage

I must have missed that part FTA. How much did it say they were paying them under the normal wage?


Minimum wage is a non-competitive wage by definition. They're not allowed to pay any less, and not required to pay any more, and there is no competition between paper-hat jobs trying to steal one another's employees anyway, outside of Harold & Kumar movies.

/but sure, nationalize McDonalds and force them to stop hiring immigrants
//follow Venezuela's shining example, surely it can't possibly cause another economic collapse
///Canada, like the USA, is "too big to fail," you know
 
2014-04-25 09:54:49 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Joe Blowme: Headso: I love the part about the franchise owners whining about how everything is going to collapse now that they can't pay a non competitive wage

I must have missed that part FTA. How much did it say they were paying them under the normal wage?

Minimum wage is a non-competitive wage by definition. They're not allowed to pay any less, and not required to pay any more, and there is no competition between paper-hat jobs trying to steal one another's employees anyway, outside of Harold & Kumar movies.

/but sure, nationalize McDonalds and force them to stop hiring immigrants
//follow Venezuela's shining example, surely it can't possibly cause another economic collapse
///Canada, like the USA, is "too big to fail," you know


Actually it's not in this article, but government does allow McD's to pay them less than they pay their other employees. I'll provide citation when I return from my meeting....
 
2014-04-25 09:54:52 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.


Fellow Canuck here...

Remember, it's not the workers coming here, they're trying, like your husband, your son, and me, to better their lives, get a job, work hard and support their families. It IS the corporations exploiting those workers for their bottom line.

It's not the program, there are almost no Canadians that want to work in the tobacco fields, but there are thousands of Jamaicans that beg for the chance.

Put your anger and bile where it belongs, CEOs, corporations that are making billions, if not trillions off the backs the workers who for the most part, can't support themselves without social assistance, the broken Acts that allow this bullshiat to happen, and lastly, and ourselves for letting it happen for so long.
 
2014-04-25 09:55:59 AM  

Headso: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Oh, I'm sure I would be called a racist here too, but from some other comments in this thread, I'm not alone in this.

Your kid can't find a job because McDonalds wants to hire an older person that can be treated poorly and will work harder at any hour for less money. Your kid probably has school and sports and possibly a girlfriend/boyfriend distracting him.


No, he's actually out of school, but wants to return in the fall. He wouldn't work at McDonald's and frankly I would dissuade him vehemently if he ever said he wanted to. He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask? I think the way young people are treated in jobs these days is a form of discrimination in itself. Just because they're young, employers think they can treat them like crap. They can't get away with doing this to immigrants, so why can they get away with it with people who grew up here? Makes you wonder, eh?
 
2014-04-25 10:00:38 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: No, he's actually out of school, but wants to return in the fall. He wouldn't work at McDonald's and frankly I would dissuade him vehemently if he ever said he wanted to. He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask? I think the way young people are treated in jobs these days is a form of discrimination in itself. Just because they're young, employers think they can treat them like crap. They can't get away with doing this to immigrants, so why can they get away with it with people who grew up here? Makes you wonder, eh?


What province are you in? My wife is an assistant manager at a grocery store out here in AB, and they can not for the life of them get decent workers. They're consistently short staffed.
 
2014-04-25 10:05:13 AM  

miscreant: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: No, he's actually out of school, but wants to return in the fall. He wouldn't work at McDonald's and frankly I would dissuade him vehemently if he ever said he wanted to. He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask? I think the way young people are treated in jobs these days is a form of discrimination in itself. Just because they're young, employers think they can treat them like crap. They can't get away with doing this to immigrants, so why can they get away with it with people who grew up here? Makes you wonder, eh?

What province are you in? My wife is an assistant manager at a grocery store out here in AB, and they can not for the life of them get decent workers. They're consistently short staffed.


I'm in Ontario, but right now my son is in Victoria, B.C. and has tried for the 3 months he's been there to get a job. Nothing, not a single response to any of the dozens of applications he's submitted. He's coming home in a few weeks, because he's so dejected and discouraged. As we've heard, Victoria is one of the cities that were mentioned in the scandal, which may explain why he can't get a job. I'm sure it's not just McDonald's who tried this scam.
 
2014-04-25 10:05:22 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Headso: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Oh, I'm sure I would be called a racist here too, but from some other comments in this thread, I'm not alone in this.

Your kid can't find a job because McDonalds wants to hire an older person that can be treated poorly and will work harder at any hour for less money. Your kid probably has school and sports and possibly a girlfriend/boyfriend distracting him.

No, he's actually out of school, but wants to return in the fall. He wouldn't work at McDonald's and frankly I would dissuade him vehemently if he ever said he wanted to. He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask? I think the way young people are treated in jobs these days is a form of discrimination in itself. Just because they're young, employers think they can treat them like crap. They can't get away with doing this to immigrants, so why can they get away with it with people who grew up here? Makes you wonder, eh?


You would dissuade him from working at McDonald's? Why is that? Because of how crooked they have been to their workers, or because food service work is "beneath" the lofty standards of your family? Let me guess - white, upper middle class family? I bet you also hate aboriginals too?
 
2014-04-25 10:06:23 AM  

jimmiejaz: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.

Fellow Canuck here...

Remember, it's not the workers coming here, they're trying, like your husband, your son, and me, to better their lives, get a job, work hard and support their families. It IS the corporations exploiting those workers for their bottom line.

It's not the program, there are almost no Canadians that want to work in the tobacco fields, but there are thousands of Jamaicans that beg for the chance.

Put your anger and bile where it belongs, CEOs, corporations that are making billions, if not trillions off the backs the workers who for the most part, can't support themselves without social assistance, the broken Acts that allow this bullshiat to happen, and lastly, and ourselves for letting it happen for so long.


They're not immigrants. They're here to make money and send it home, and then go back home themselves.
I wouldn't feel bad at all about verbally shiatting on them.
 
2014-04-25 10:12:09 AM  

starsrift: They're not immigrants. They're here to make money and send it home, and then go back home themselves.
I wouldn't feel bad at all about verbally shiatting on them.


Yes, I'm sure if somebody offered you 10x your annual salary to go to Quatar for a year, you'd say "No! Those jobs belong to the people of Quatar!", or you'd uproot your family, leave all your friends behind, and emigrate there because of how you don't believe people should ever work in countries they aren't planning to spend the rest of their lives in.
 
2014-04-25 10:12:34 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask?


Because there's a bunch of people from the developing world willing to work at a retail job where the boss is a jerk they get whatever hours at whatever time someone is willing to give them and they are treated poorly, wanting basic dignity and reasonable working conditions and hours is too much to ask in a world where a billion people earn less than a dollar a day and oligarchs exploit that fact.
 
2014-04-25 10:13:43 AM  

jimmiejaz: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.

Fellow Canuck here...

Remember, it's not the workers coming here, they're trying, like your husband, your son, and me, to better their lives, get a job, work hard and support their families. It IS the corporations exploiting those workers for their bottom line.

It's not the program, there are almost no Canadians that want to work in the tobacco fields, but there are thousands of Jamaicans that beg for the chance.

Put your anger and bile where it belongs, CEOs, corporations that are making billions, if not trillions off the backs the workers who for the most part, can't support themselves without social assistance, the broken Acts that allow this bullshiat to happen, and lastly, and ourselves for letting it happen for so long.


Yes, you have a point, and I understand that people want to get out of their shiathole countries and come to a better country, I would too. I'm not against immigration and I'm not a racist. So how do we fix this problem? How do we help immigrants better themselves, without hurting ourselves? There has to be a happy middle ground somewhere. I'm just glad this program has been scrapped, maybe this is the start of proper reform.
 
2014-04-25 10:14:09 AM  
12 Years a Fry Cook.
 
2014-04-25 10:18:14 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Yes, you have a point, and I understand that people want to get out of their shiathole countries and come to a better country, I would too. I'm not against immigration and I'm not a racist. So how do we fix this problem? How do we help immigrants better themselves, without hurting ourselves? There has to be a happy middle ground somewhere. I'm just glad this program has been scrapped, maybe this is the start of proper reform.


I'd say that if they hire temporary foreign workers, they should have to pay them exactly the same as they pay a Canadian worker, PLUS the administration fee. If the supposed excuse is that there are no Canadians to fill those jobs, then it should cost the company MORE to hire a foreign worker. That would give them incentive to make sure there actually weren't any Canadians to fill the positions.
 
2014-04-25 10:20:14 AM  

sno man: Joe Blowme: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.

Here in the States you would be called racist for that.

Here too.


And for good reason.   Blaming immigrant workers for the decisions, lobbying efforts, outright lying about labor "shortages' and, overall, the entire process is really farking stupid to the point where a sane person will ask themselves what the REAL motivation is.

You see, it's the people in the upper hierarchy of these companies that are doing a whole lot of work to make sure that they don't have to pay your ass are mostly white.  They're mostly white, they're making very large amounts of money off of your suffering and they look down upon you like you're....  heh, like you're some worthless immigrant worker or something (to use an analogy that will resonate with the right people).

When you focus your rage at the brown person trying to feed their family while totally ignoring the actions of the white people that made every single decision that led to this situation, it really makes you look kinda racist.
 
2014-04-25 10:21:50 AM  

Mystery Vortex: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Headso: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Oh, I'm sure I would be called a racist here too, but from some other comments in this thread, I'm not alone in this.

Your kid can't find a job because McDonalds wants to hire an older person that can be treated poorly and will work harder at any hour for less money. Your kid probably has school and sports and possibly a girlfriend/boyfriend distracting him.

No, he's actually out of school, but wants to return in the fall. He wouldn't work at McDonald's and frankly I would dissuade him vehemently if he ever said he wanted to. He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask? I think the way young people are treated in jobs these days is a form of discrimination in itself. Just because they're young, employers think they can treat them like crap. They can't get away with doing this to immigrants, so why can they get away with it with people who grew up here? Makes you wonder, eh?

You would dissuade him from working at McDonald's? Why is that? Because of how crooked they have been to their workers, or because food service work is "beneath" the lofty standards of your family? Let me guess - white, upper middle class family? I bet you also hate aboriginals too?


Well that escalated quickly?

let me guess - fat, liberal, and lives in mom's basement? I bet you hate white, upper middle-class families and aboriginals too?
 
2014-04-25 10:22:58 AM  

Mystery Vortex: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Headso: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Oh, I'm sure I would be called a racist here too, but from some other comments in this thread, I'm not alone in this.

Your kid can't find a job because McDonalds wants to hire an older person that can be treated poorly and will work harder at any hour for less money. Your kid probably has school and sports and possibly a girlfriend/boyfriend distracting him.

No, he's actually out of school, but wants to return in the fall. He wouldn't work at McDonald's and frankly I would dissuade him vehemently if he ever said he wanted to. He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask? I think the way young people are treated in jobs these days is a form of discrimination in itself. Just because they're young, employers think they can treat them like crap. They can't get away with doing this to immigrants, so why can they get away with it with people who grew up here? Makes you wonder, eh?

You would dissuade him from working at McDonald's? Why is that? Because of how crooked they have been to their workers, or because food service work is "beneath" the lofty standards of your family? Let me guess - white, upper middle class family? I bet you also hate aboriginals too?


No, because I've known young people who have worked there and they hated it, for many reasons. Food service work is absolutely not beneath the lofty standards of my family, and you really couldn't call me upper middle class, I'm well below what is classified as middle class. I'm the sole breadwinner for my family and have been for 3 years, yes, because of programs like this one, and I'm just lucky to have a good job that almost supports us and the only reason I have this job is because I fought for three years to get it and keep it. This is why my children have had to support themselves since they were of working age and why my daughter put herself through university and why my son will have to do the same. And I don't hate aboriginals, I only hate people who would assume I do.
 
2014-04-25 10:25:33 AM  

neomunk: sno man: Joe Blowme: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.

Here in the States you would be called racist for that.

Here too.

And for good reason.   Blaming immigrant workers for the decisions, lobbying efforts, outright lying about labor "shortages' and, overall, the entire process is really farking stupid to the point where a sane person will ask themselves what the REAL motivation is.

You see, it's the people in the upper hierarchy of these companies that are doing a whole lot of work to make sure that they don't have to pay your ass are mostly white.  They're mostly white, they're making very large amounts of money off of your suffering and they look down upon you like you're....  heh, like you're some worthless immigrant worker or something (to use an analogy that will resonate with the right people).

When you focus your rage at the brown person trying to feed their family while totally ignoring the actions of the white people that made every single decision that led to this situation, it really makes you look kinda racist.


Ok, in the world not only the white people are exploiting workers. In fact, have you seen how well Asians and Middle Easterners exploit imported/semi-slave labour?

/foxconn
//dubai
///doha
////Filipino maids
//want me to go on? Your racism is showing...

Rich people exploit poor white, brown, yellow, green, and black people....film at 11!!!
 
2014-04-25 10:26:33 AM  

ColonelCathcart: Mystery Vortex: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Headso: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Oh, I'm sure I would be called a racist here too, but from some other comments in this thread, I'm not alone in this.

Your kid can't find a job because McDonalds wants to hire an older person that can be treated poorly and will work harder at any hour for less money. Your kid probably has school and sports and possibly a girlfriend/boyfriend distracting him.

No, he's actually out of school, but wants to return in the fall. He wouldn't work at McDonald's and frankly I would dissuade him vehemently if he ever said he wanted to. He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask? I think the way young people are treated in jobs these days is a form of discrimination in itself. Just because they're young, employers think they can treat them like crap. They can't get away with doing this to immigrants, so why can they get away with it with people who grew up here? Makes you wonder, eh?

You would dissuade him from working at McDonald's? Why is that? Because of how crooked they have been to their workers, or because food service work is "beneath" the lofty standards of your family? Let me guess - white, upper middle class family? I bet you also hate aboriginals too?

Well that escalated quickly?

let me guess - fat, liberal, and lives in mom's basement? I bet you hate white, upper middle-class families and aboriginals too?


See, this person thinks it's perfectly okay to call a white person a racist without knowing them, and that it's equally okay to discriminate against white people too, apparently.
 
2014-04-25 10:26:59 AM  
All you people in here justifiably dumping on McDonalds are in 100% agreement with the Tea Party and in total disagreement with establishment Rebublicans and 100% of the Democrats in this country.  Just sayin.
 
2014-04-25 10:31:52 AM  

Headso: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask?

Because there's a bunch of people from the developing world willing to work at a retail job where the boss is a jerk they get whatever hours at whatever time someone is willing to give them and they are treated poorly, wanting basic dignity and reasonable working conditions and hours is too much to ask in a world where a billion people earn less than a dollar a day and oligarchs exploit that fact.


THIS.

It's happening to a large number of businesses here as well.

The local Tim Hortons for example has a large number of filipinos. The owners allegedly get $750 per worker they "help" per month... plus people gotta live somewhere right? So they mortgage a local house with 4 or 5 bedrooms and rent them that for $750 each. Pay them minimum wage and bingo... essentially free worker. Plus a lot of them have family back home that would love to work in Canada so they "help" them get citizenship so their wife/husband/teenage kids can work there as well.

Why would they want teenagers (or older people) who they can only abuse so much before being told to fark off... when they can get immigrants from a country with a daily minimum wage ($4 in the fields or $5 elsewhere) who would practically sing and dance given any job to do?
 
2014-04-25 10:33:59 AM  

jimmiejaz: Put your anger and bile where it belongs, CEOs, corporations that are making billions, if not trillions off the backs the workers who for the most part, can't support themselves without social assistance, the broken Acts that allow this bullshiat to happen, and lastly, and ourselves for letting it happen for so long.


Bolded for emphasis.

This is an important point. When those folks can't make ends meet, it's not the corporations who foot the bill, it's you and me and our taxes.

All you Tea Party and libertarian geniuses who are so vehemently anti-tax would do well to remember that YOU'RE SUBSIDIZING CORPORATE PROFITS WITH YOUR TAXES YOU IGNORANT MORONS.
 
2014-04-25 10:34:04 AM  

CivicMindedFive: All you people in here justifiably dumping on McDonalds are in 100% agreement with the Tea Party and in total disagreement with establishment Rebublicans and 100% of the Democrats in this country.  Just sayin.


And did you know the US Interstate system is based on what Hitler built using socialism (government funded employment programs)?

That means COMMUNIST NAZIS!!!!!!


Dude, a broken clock can be right twice a day...did I just get trolled? At least I godwinned him back!
 
2014-04-25 10:34:47 AM  

CivicMindedFive: All you people in here justifiably dumping on McDonalds are in 100% agreement with the Tea Party and in total disagreement with establishment Rebublicans and 100% of the Democrats in this country.  Just sayin.


Somehow I doubt the teabaggers would be for a solution that would involve the government forcing places like McDonalds to pay a wage that would allow people to work there full time and not still qualify for welfare.
 
2014-04-25 10:37:10 AM  

AgentKGB: Headso: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask?

Because there's a bunch of people from the developing world willing to work at a retail job where the boss is a jerk they get whatever hours at whatever time someone is willing to give them and they are treated poorly, wanting basic dignity and reasonable working conditions and hours is too much to ask in a world where a billion people earn less than a dollar a day and oligarchs exploit that fact.

THIS.

It's happening to a large number of businesses here as well.

The local Tim Hortons for example has a large number of filipinos. The owners allegedly get $750 per worker they "help" per month... plus people gotta live somewhere right? So they mortgage a local house with 4 or 5 bedrooms and rent them that for $750 each. Pay them minimum wage and bingo... essentially free worker. Plus a lot of them have family back home that would love to work in Canada so they "help" them get citizenship so their wife/husband/teenage kids can work there as well.

Why would they want teenagers (or older people) who they can only abuse so much before being told to fark off... when they can get immigrants from a country with a daily minimum wage ($4 in the fields or $5 elsewhere) who would practically sing and dance given any job to do?


I assume this subsidy is from the gov? So its really the government policies that are farked up and the real issue. Abuse of the system shows the system is farked.
 
2014-04-25 10:38:15 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Headso: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Oh, I'm sure I would be called a racist here too, but from some other comments in this thread, I'm not alone in this.

Your kid can't find a job because McDonalds wants to hire an older person that can be treated poorly and will work harder at any hour for less money. Your kid probably has school and sports and possibly a girlfriend/boyfriend distracting him.

No, he's actually out of school, but wants to return in the fall. He wouldn't work at McDonald's and frankly I would dissuade him vehemently if he ever said he wanted to. He really just wants a retail job, where the boss isn't a jerk and he gets lots of hours and is treated well. Why is that too much to ask? I think the way young people are treated in jobs these days is a form of discrimination in itself. Just because they're young, employers think they can treat them like crap. They can't get away with doing this to immigrants, so why can they get away with it with people who grew up here? Makes you wonder, eh?


Because why deal with your son, even if he is a hard worker, when they can abuse Apu and Jose?

Your son will at least have a cursory knowledge of labor and safety laws and will call out the manager if he tries to break them. Apu and Jose don't know the laws and are terrified of going to the police/labor board because their families back home depend on them for survival. Getting a crappy job here is like winning the lottery for them, sending back even 100 a month is a fortune.

My Grandma-in-law supports a family of 4 in the Dominican Republic by running yard sales. That 1,000 bucks a year she makes from that have enabled the family to send their kids to private schools and college, get them a house with indoor plumbing, medical care, and pay off the corrupt police force. This is in addition to the Husband working a pretty-good job at a resort.

My Husband works with a Pakistani man that not only supports his extended family, but a couple of extra families in his old village as well. This costs him a couple hundred a month.
 
2014-04-25 10:42:12 AM  

Headso: CivicMindedFive: All you people in here justifiably dumping on McDonalds are in 100% agreement with the Tea Party and in total disagreement with establishment Rebublicans and 100% of the Democrats in this country.  Just sayin.

Somehow I doubt the teabaggers would be for a solution that would involve the government forcing places like McDonalds to pay a wage that would allow people to work there full time and not still qualify for welfare.


If McDonald's were not able to game a government program that imports and subsidizes (on in the case of the US turns a blind eye to illegal immigration), then McDonalds would have to provide wages and work quality to attract local teenagers, elderly and others looking for a starter or temporary job.  We both see the same problem but see different solutions.  You think more government intervention and entwinement with big business is the solution to a problem brought on by too much government intervention and entwinement.  I think reducing the size and scope of government to eliminate rent-seeking by big business is the solution.

By the way, name calling your political opponents (teabagger) does not enhance dialog that may find common ground.  It just entrenches everybody.
 
2014-04-25 10:47:04 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.


Your husband sounds like he sucks in his field. He should either get better at it or change it.

Your son sounds lazy.

Competition is global these days. Deal with it.
 
2014-04-25 10:50:16 AM  

ColonelCathcart: Ok, in the world not only the white people are exploiting workers. In fact, have you seen how well Asians and Middle Easterners exploit imported/semi-slave labour?

/foxconn
//dubai
///doha
////Filipino maids
//want me to go on? Your racism is showing...

Rich people exploit poor white, brown, yellow, green, and black people....film at 11!!!


I really like how you had to do the globetrotting thing to justify your weak ass deflection.  There's a lot of racism in the anti-immigrant mentality you're defending here.  Trying to point out that, due to technicality, I'm the racist if something-something-the other side of the Earth-something and whatnot furthermore is just farking clownshoes.

I'll not deny that it's the rich who do the farking-over, but you're trying to gloss over the fact that the people being farked over are often okay with those DOING the farking because there is someone who looks differently that can be attacked instead.
 
2014-04-25 10:51:19 AM  

homarjr: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.

Your husband sounds like he sucks in his field. He should either get better at it or change it.

Your son sounds lazy.

Competition is global these days. Deal with it.


You may be correct.  Or it may be a case where the business is able to control the employees visa (in the case of a high tech job) and therefore distort the market with essentially slave labor.  In the case of a low tech job, the company is getting a direct subsidy from the government in addition to the visa blackmail distorting the market.
 
2014-04-25 10:53:37 AM  

neomunk: ColonelCathcart: Ok, in the world not only the white people are exploiting workers. In fact, have you seen how well Asians and Middle Easterners exploit imported/semi-slave labour?

/foxconn
//dubai
///doha
////Filipino maids
//want me to go on? Your racism is showing...

Rich people exploit poor white, brown, yellow, green, and black people....film at 11!!!

I really like how you had to do the globetrotting thing to justify your weak ass deflection.  There's a lot of racism in the anti-immigrant mentality you're defending here.  Trying to point out that, due to technicality, I'm the racist if something-something-the other side of the Earth-something and whatnot furthermore is just farking clownshoes.

I'll not deny that it's the rich who do the farking-over, but you're trying to gloss over the fact that the people being farked over are often okay with those DOING the farking because there is someone who looks differently that can be attacked instead.


You really are sticking to the "everyone is racist" card. Projection maybe?
 
2014-04-25 10:55:21 AM  

CivicMindedFive: homarjr: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm all for immigration, but I am definitely not for immigrants being brought over to displace Canadian workers. It's because of this that my husband hasn't been able to get a job in his field for almost 3 years and why my son can't find a crappy minimum wage job. This is not paranoia as some people have suggested, it's a fact. I'm sorry things are crappy in your home country, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to come here and push out our workers. Maybe you should be trying to change things at home.

Your husband sounds like he sucks in his field. He should either get better at it or change it.

Your son sounds lazy.

Competition is global these days. Deal with it.

You may be correct.  Or it may be a case where the business is able to control the employees visa (in the case of a high tech job) and therefore distort the market with essentially slave labor.  In the case of a low tech job, the company is getting a direct subsidy from the government in addition to the visa blackmail distorting the market.


Every single business? Please. There is tons of work out there for those who put in the effort. We're not in a recession.

The husband should lower his standards and work his way up. Complaining about the WHITE MAN using everything they can to lower their bottom line is not going to get them anywhere.
 
2014-04-25 10:56:47 AM  
Gastarbeiter?
 
2014-04-25 10:59:29 AM  
FTA: "Another franchisee was worried about money he had just paid to Actyl, one of the international recruitment agencies McDonald's pays up to $2,000 for every worker they bring in.
"I paid Actyl Group probably $14,000. So am I out the $14,000 now and the whole nine yards?" asked the franchisee."


Maybe if Mr/Ms Franchisee offered their potential employees a decent wage they wouldn't have to import foreigners at $2K a head.
 
2014-04-25 11:07:51 AM  
I'm failing to see any problem with importing and exploiting foreigners. In fact, we have a major political party here in the U.S. the applauds and encourages this practice of using "undocumented" workers.

They current plan is to make it legal if the President can get his way so exploitation for all!
 
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